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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 137

Today's Topics:

Re:cruising speed ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re:Need advice on model of ford car ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Question regarding paint colors [Xql101 aol.com ]
Re: question for ford gurus(What Hig ["Terry R Sherman"
Re: Question regarding paint colors ["Jim Strigas"
Re: question for ford gurus ["George Shepherd"
Re: Question regarding paint colors ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Question regarding paint colors ["Jim Strigas"
Heartland Vintage Truck Get Together [jack fleming ]
460 Maximum Compression Ratio? [Randy Collins ]
pinging ["art l" ]
Re: pinging ["George Shepherd"
Re: pinging ["Wayne Bowen"
speedometer question [DC Beatty
RE: 1967 backup lights [DC Beatty
RE: Question for the Ford guru's [DC Beatty

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:15:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 06:06:02 -0500
> > From: Daver
> > Subject: Re: cruising speed
>
> > My bet is you actually have a 3.50:1 ratio; because if you had a
> > 2.75:1 with your current trany at 2600 RPM you'd be sailing along
> > at 73.415976+/- MPH.
> >
> > Molater

How did you calculate that? My spread sheet (which does not
account for laden radius) using 29" tires, 2.75 gears, 2600 rpm gave
me 81.57 mph :-) With 27" tires I got 75.94 mph, am I doing
something wrong?

-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:17:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:07:43 -0600
> > From: Randall Colgan
> > Subject: Need advice on model of Ford car
>
> > Hi gang. I want to take the body off of my 52 F-1 and drop it
> > onto a 70's (or later) model Ford car like a Cougar, Torino, Ltd,
> > T-Bird chassis or a model similar to these with a wheelbase very
> > close to my F-1 which is 114" and a rear drum to drum width of
> > 60". Any sugestions?

Wait a minute! I must be reading this wrong! You want to put a
truck body on a car frame? Most people put car bodies on 4x4 truck
frames which I can understand but I can't figure out the advantage
of a truck body on a car frame??? Are we doing a lowering/handling
thing maybe? Might make sense there but you can do that with the
truck frame. Sorry, I'm rambling here. Just trying to figure it
out but TEHO.

-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:03:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Xql101 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding paint colors
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is this the correct address?

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:16:34 -0500
From: "Terry R Sherman"
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Subject: Re: question for ford gurus(What Highboy Means on a truck...)
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A Ford Highboy truck is a special truck that Ford rolled of the assembly
line that in stock form was higher than regular stock trucks of that year.
I have a '76 Ford Highboy. It is the same as a F150 but the suspension is
heavier, the truck sits higher and has a stock 360 with a tranny that can
take a 400. Full time lock 4x.
In stock condition you can fit 34" tires and with small trimming 35".
I have 31's and am satisfied but I think I'm going for 33's.

Thank You,
Terry Sherman
terbear discover-net.net
'76 Ford Highboy...

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> From: BigDogF250 aol.com
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: RE: question for ford gurus
> Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 7:48 PM
>
> The 360 was replaced by the 460 for basically the obvious reason: more
power.
> The term 'highboy' in hot rodders definition is a late 20's early 30's
car
> without fenders, im assuming that what they mean by truck highboy is that
it
> is lifted or has oversized tires, not really sure on that.
> Matt
> 92 f250 4x4 5.8L
>
> P.S. Welcome to the club
>
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:36:46 -0700
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-----Original Message-----
From: Xql101 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Date: Saturday, August 02, 1997 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding paint colors



>is this the correct address?
>

Well the answer could be yes and it could be no! It all depends on where you
wanted to be! If you wanted to be here, then yes it is! If you wanted to be
there, then no it's not!
So where did you want to be and I'll tell you if you are or if your not!
Someone has to direct traffic around here. Someone could be killed!

Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's new. It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas
If you have nothing better to do, visit my Homepage. There's nothing there
for everyone!

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:44:24 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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In 70's ford truck terms "highboy" was a super f-250 with f-350 running
gear and a higher gross weitht that made it exempt from emissions control
applications. It sat higher that a normal F-250 due to the heaver spings
and running gear.+


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> From: BigDogF250 aol.com
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: RE: question for ford gurus
> Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 7:48 PM
>
> The 360 was replaced by the 460 for basically the obvious reason: more
power.
> The term 'highboy' in hot rodders definition is a late 20's early 30's
car
> without fenders, im assuming that what they mean by truck highboy is that
it
> is lifted or has oversized tires, not really sure on that.
> Matt
> 92 f250 4x4 5.8L
>
> P.S. Welcome to the club
>
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:05:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> From: "Jim Strigas"
> Subject: Re: Question regarding paint colors
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:36:46 -0700

> your not! Someone has to direct traffic around here. Someone
> could be killed!

You must be more countryfied than me Jim. Even a stray cow couldn't
get itself kilt in this traffic! :-( Even it it went looking for
something to jump in front of!

Saturdays are so boring! :-( I got a holt of a 4 wheelers club here
in Michigan and may be going on a ride in KY around Lexington they
say but apparently on private land. Rather be in Moab but maybe
when I retire. (maybe never :-( )



-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:13:13 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
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From: Gary, 78 BBB

>You must be more countryfied than me Jim. Even a stray cow couldn't
>get itself kilt in this traffic! :-( Even it it went looking for
>something to jump in front of!

Lived in the city all my life! They just keep me in a small room and don't
let anyone talk to me! Can't for the life of me figure out why? What have I
done?
It's when you can't sees em, whens you gots to be the most careful! "/\"
Ya never know when a whole herd of em will come down on ya like bored again
Christians, checkin' your sock drawer for dirty pictures! I hope they don't
find out it's the socks I like. I got to stick dirty pictures in there every
now and then! You know! Nakit people in Ford Trucks!


Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's new. It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas
If you have nothing better to do, visit my Homepage. There's nothing there
for everyone!


-----Original Message-----

To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Date: Saturday, August 02, 1997 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding paint colors



>> From: "Jim Strigas"
>> Subject: Re: Question regarding paint colors
>> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:36:46 -0700
>
>> your not! Someone has to direct traffic around here. Someone
>> could be killed!
>
>
>Saturdays are so boring! :-( I got a holt of a 4 wheelers club here
>in Michigan and may be going on a ride in KY around Lexington they
>say but apparently on private land. Rather be in Moab but maybe
>when I retire. (maybe never :-( )
>
>
>
>-- Gary Peters --
>
>(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
>(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>(Daughter's)92 Tempo
>(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
>(Wife's)94 T-Bird
>(Son's)90 F-150, I6
>(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
>All mine to work on, maintain etc..
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:19:55 -0400
From: jack fleming
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: Heartland Vintage Truck Get Together
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Folks:

I spotted this while looking at the Ch%#y list (I know, I know, what =
was I doing over there?) Anyway, for those of you in the Heartland, =
this might be of interest.



I just wanted to let the list know that a couple ole truckers are =
organizing=20
a "Heartland Vintage Truck Get Together." We have no formal organization =

yet, we're hoping that we can put together a regular club from the =
people=20
who attend. Since we don't know how many people will show up, we are=20
inviting any vintage truck (1972 or older) of any make (F**ds, D**dges,=20
etc), even though the two of us are Chevy owners. Following is the basic =

information:

Saturday, October 11, 10am to 2pm
Wayne Fitzgerrell State Park, Picnic Shelter 4
(about 12 miles south of Mt. Vernon, IL, on I-57)

If you know of any ole truckers in this region (the site is about 2 =
hours=20
from St. Louis, MO, and about 2 hours from Evansville, IN) please let =
them=20
know about this event. For more info, they can contact me via email:

jnelson paducah.k12.ky.us

or they can contact me via US mail:

Jeff Nelson
7515 Lovelaceville Road
Paducah, KY 42001

Thanks.
Jeff Nelson
53 3600
jnelson paducah.k12.ky.us

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 17:15:56 -0700
From: Randy Collins
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List members,

I am in the process of making the decision of the final compression =
ratio of my 460 motor for my project truck. I am confused! =20

Most of the reading I have done indicates that the maximum compression =
for pump gas in around 9.5 : 1. Most folks also say that the 460 will =
tolerate slightly more compression and polishing the combustion chambers =
will give more tolerability. I have also read that the 460 will not =
detonate between 10.0 and 10.5 to 1 compression using premium pump fuel. =
=20

I am getting conflicting information from the local machine shops. The =
say that the maximum compression ratio for the 460 is 9.0 to 9.25 to 1 =
and that's it. Any higher will cause sever detonation and soon =
thereafter will destroy the motor. =20

Vehicle info. =20

Really heavy truck.
4.10 gear ratio.
32.8" diameter tires
C-6 Automatic
2200 RPM Stall

Motor info. =20

429 SCJ Cast Iron Intake
750 Vacuum Holley
C9VE Passenger Car heads matched to the CJ size ports
Intake Ports: cleaned up
Exhaust Ports: Hump removed, contoured and polished
Combustion Chamber Polished
Valve Size I =3D 2.190 E. =3D 1.725
Crane Gold Roller Rockers
Crane Cam #354551
In. Lift: .524
Ex. Lift .553
Duration .050
Intake 226 Degrees
Exhaust 234 Degrees
Lifters Variable Duration
I plan to install the cam advanced 4 degrees
Converter Stall 2200 RPM

Please help me decide my final compression ratio. In the event that I =
end up with a compression ratio that is to high can I stack two head =
gaskets to lower it? Is it possible to purchase head gaskets other than =
the typical .041 thickness? =20

I still need to buy new lifters. Anyone have any experience with the =
Rhoads variable duration or the Crane Hi-Intensity lifters. =20

Thanks in advance for everyone's help. =20

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:47:56 -0700
From: "art l"
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I have a 78 F-250 4x4 400M, it has a performer manafold and Carter AFB 4v
carberator.The problem is when ever I pull my boat or get into the mortor
hard it pings like crazy, and starts to overheat. These problems all
started we we made the carburator changes, when we put the carb on,we took
off the vacum hose that comes off the thermostat housingand one that runs
off the back of the motor up to the vacum can,(I thinkthats where it
went).The vacum for the distributer comes off the carb now. What I would
like to know is if there are any book or diagrams that will tell me how to
hook these vacum lines back up. This is the only thing I can think that we
changed when the new carb was put on, also the egr valve was not put back
on. I have the Ford service manuel for the 78 Ford and it shows nothing of
the vacum hoses, and I think this is what is causing my problems, it cause
the carb to run too lean, or does anybody else have a different idea.
Thanks Art Lutz

79 F-250 4x4 400M

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:30:22 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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That could well be part of the problem. Is the new carb jetted the same as
the old one. it may be contributing to the lean running.

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> From: art l
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: pinging
> Date: Saturday, August 02, 1997 8:47 PM
>
> I have a 78 F-250 4x4 400M, it has a performer manafold and Carter AFB 4v
> carberator.The problem is when ever I pull my boat or get into the mortor
> hard it pings like crazy, and starts to overheat. These problems all
> started we we made the carburator changes, when we put the carb on,we
took
> off the vacum hose that comes off the thermostat housingand one that runs
> off the back of the motor up to the vacum can,(I thinkthats where it
> went).The vacum for the distributer comes off the carb now. What I would
> like to know is if there are any book or diagrams that will tell me how
to
> hook these vacum lines back up. This is the only thing I can think that
we
> changed when the new carb was put on, also the egr valve was not put back
> on. I have the Ford service manuel for the 78 Ford and it shows nothing
of
> the vacum hoses, and I think this is what is causing my problems, it
cause
> the carb to run too lean, or does anybody else have a different idea.
> Thanks Art Lutz
>
> 79 F-250 4x4 400M
>
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:47:45 -0400
From: "Wayne Bowen"
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Art As far as the "pinging" your hearing, I assume your hearing a spark
knock. A couple of things that will cause spark knock that you might want
to check is the Timing, EGR valve, or gas quality. If your timing is to
high, retard it. you said you removed the EGR valve then I doubt that would
be your problem. Try a better grade of gas. Also make sure you are not
running direct vaccum to the vaccum advance on the distributor, it should
have ported vaccum going to it.
Wayne Bowen
72 F100
89 Ranger

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> From: art l
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: pinging
> Date: Saturday, August 02, 1997 9:47 PM
>
> I have a 78 F-250 4x4 400M, it has a performer manafold and Carter AFB 4v
> carberator.The problem is when ever I pull my boat or get into the mortor
> hard it pings like crazy, and starts to overheat. These problems all
> started we we made the carburator changes, when we put the carb on,we
took
> off the vacum hose that comes off the thermostat housingand one that runs
> off the back of the motor up to the vacum can,(I thinkthats where it
> went).The vacum for the distributer comes off the carb now. What I would
> like to know is if there are any book or diagrams that will tell me how
to
> hook these vacum lines back up. This is the only thing I can think that
we
> changed when the new carb was put on, also the egr valve was not put back
> on. I have the Ford service manuel for the 78 Ford and it shows nothing
of
> the vacum hoses, and I think this is what is causing my problems, it
cause
> the carb to run too lean, or does anybody else have a different idea.
> Thanks Art Lutz
>
> 79 F-250 4x4 400M
>
>
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Date: 02 Aug 97 22:43:49 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'FORD TRUCKS'"
Subject: speedometer question
Message-ID:

Greetings. My speedometer in my '67 F-100 is inaccurate (about 5 or 10 mph off I
estimate), and the needle jumps around whenever I am driving under 40 mph. Does
anyone know of a way of remedying this? I would hate to pay someone to fix
something that I could possibly fix.

I guess I could just drive 50 mph or better everywhere I go. Hmmm....

Thanks for any help,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: 02 Aug 97 22:43:47 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: 1967 backup lights
Message-ID:

No problem Don. Sounds like the same bozo that owned my truck owned yours!!!

Anyway, the switch is still in mine, but the Chilton book said it was in the
engine compartment clamped onto the column (a la the three speed manual
transmission). Thus my confusion on the matter. The book is wrong.

Yes, $80 sounds quite high. I think I will go to the junkyard and get 15 used
ones at $5 each and see if I am lucky on one!!!

Thanks,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> The backup lights don't work in my '67 F-100. The Chilton book states that I
> should have a little switch on the steering column by the shift lever. I got
the
> switch at the boneyard and installed it and they still don't work. There are
no
> wires going to the FMX tranny.
>
> Many of the '67-'72 trucks at the boneyard didn't have a switch either.
Instead,
> there was a sort of jumper wire on the push-on terminal that would plug into
the
> switch. Mine was exactly like these others that I saw. I was wondering what
> other '67 truck owners had to activate their backup lights. Is the Chilton
book
> lying to me?


DC,
First I wanted to say thanks! My mystery of what my bell shaped
device near the oil filter was indeed the oil pressure transmitter. The
wire had sheared off at the black plastic fitting on top of the sending
unit. Made it look like a vacuum fitting!

Hopefully, I can repay the favor now. I recently replaced the neutral
safety switch on my 1974 F100 XLT Ranger. The previous owner had
removed it from the steering column and just jumpered the wires. The
truck would start in any gear. I went to the Ford Dealer in McKinney
Texas and ordered a new one. It was about $70-80 if memory serves
correctly. Kinda steep but factory original. It is mounted about 5
inches up from the firewall, on the top of the steering column, inside
the cab (not under the hood). If yours is missing it's tough to even
see where it is mounted but trust me there is a mounting hole on top of
the steering column. The unit consists of two parts. One is a steel
post that clips to the steering column and moves when you shift from
Park to Neutral to Drive etc.. The actual switch is mounted with two
bolts right next to the vertical steel tab (on top of the column).
There should be a standard Ford harness connector that will plug right
into the switch.
The switch can be adjusted by just sliding it back and forth until the
truck starts properly in just Park and Neutral. Chilton's I believe
says to use a No 43 drill bit as a gauge in a gauge hole in the switch
to set the proper location of the switch. The switch does indeed
control the backup lights. If your backup lights still don't work then
you've got a wiring problem downstream from this switch.
The switch does have sort of a press on tab for hooking up the harness
connector.
I know 1973-1979 parts are interchangeable but not sure if all of the
above applies to your 1972.
On my truck the vertical steel post had rusted through and sheared off
and the switch had been yanked by someone who couldn't be bothered to
fix it. Put your hand on top of the steering column near the firewall
and see if you can feel the hole in the column where the steel post
clips. The old one (at least the clip part) should still be there.


Don
Allen, Texas


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