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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 130

Today's Topics:

Re: Compression, was Ok here's my th ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
gas tank location [John Strauss
Gas tank in cab [AM14 chrysler.com ]
RE: Compression, was Ok here's my th [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: C-6 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Compression, was Ok here's my th ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: rearend [Claypaul aol.com ]
RE: thanks [DC Beatty
"Y" block engines [David Gunn ]
Help ["Casey" ]
Re: "Y" block engines ["Tero Saarelainen" ]
Re: Help ["Tero Saarelainen" ]
Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA [Mac ]
Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE REA ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
72 Shop manual Response? [SHOman ]
Re: Will 429 fit a 77 f150 [TACYCBR aol.com ]
catalog [KEVIN ]
460 engine [reedg ns2.cetlink.net ]
Re: catalog [Ken Payne ]
Re: gas tank location [Don Grossman ]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:56:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:12:52 -0500
> From: Daver
> Subject: Re: Ok here's my theroy....

> Now I hope I have'nt beat this to death. Sorry Ken no Ford truck
> spacific content.

Don't be silly. At least you used a Ford for the example and all
Ford trucks use fuel and have to overcome the same problems. I
appreciate the imput but still have one question :-( Have you ever
seen an engine such as the 460 set up with 12:1 compression running a
lean mixture on pump gas so that some measure of economy could be
obtained?

My plan is to run a roller cam, more for the techie aspect than any
expected real gains and roller rockers with larger valves and small
runners and ports with some kind of increased compression for better
economy and performance (efficiency) with relatively high lift,
moderate overlap and duration for low end torque with the hope of
increasing the top end as well. The boys on the bronco list with
some 460 experience seem to like 10.5:1 but they aren't into the
racing angle so may not know your tricks. A Jacobs tech told me he
was running a 12:1 460 on the street with no problems on pump gas so
maybe there's hope yet :-)

I built a stock one with a torque cam and dished, forged pistons and
have been very pleased with it so far. I'm going to build another
one with the stuff mentioned above and expect greater things this
time around so any input on the compression thing with my particular
driving parameters in mind would be appreciated. (78 bronco, daily
driver with good road manners and economy, limited off road but lots
of snow, manual transmission)

-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:00:34 -0500
From: John Strauss
To: Ford Trucks List
Subject: gas tank location
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>I've been looking at a 77 F250 4x4 that recently came up for sale in my area.
>It's in very good shape though not 100% original, big tires, aftermarket
>bumpers, etc...which leads me to the question at hand...
>
>What was the last year that the F250 was made with the gas tank behind the
>seat?
>
1972 was the last "official" year of this from the standpoint of EVERY
truck having the tank behind the seat. But I am looking at a picture of a
1976 F150 4x4 with tanks both behind the seat and under the bed behind the
rear axle. So it looks like sometimes the tank might have been there but I
can't tell you the determining factor. The only thing I can think of is if
somebody wanted an auxiliary tank on a 4x4 and the transfer case was in the
way? Don't know.

>The above mentioned truck has the gas tank behind the seat, though I thought
>the last year for that was 76. Is this truck truely a 77 or am I looking at
>a 77 chassis with a 75 or 76 cab? Motor is a 351M...comments...
>
Could this possibly be a chassis cab that has had a bed added to it? Or
could this be somebody's way of adding an additional tank? Is the fuel
line coming from the tank rubber or steel? If it's rubber I doubt this is
a factory setup.

The 351M was first available in the trucks in 1977 (FE motors prior to) so
that speaks well for the year. Another way to tell is that in 1977 the
F250 was switched to a low-riding setup with 2-leaf springs. The
1976-earlier F250 4x4's had 6-leaf springs and was quite tall.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 10:18:34 EDT
From: AM14 chrysler.com
To: "FOMOCO Truck B/S list"
Subject: Gas tank in cab
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I own a '77 F250 4X4 with 8000 plus lbs GVW and the tank is in the cab.
Extremely harsh ride, but will do any reasonable thing you could expect from a
3/4 4X4, and sometimes do something extremely unreasonable. Toughest damn
truck I've ever seen. I also have a friend with a '77 2X4 and the tanks are
between the frame rails. Something to do with GVW I think. Mine has no
pollution equipment at all. The friends has Cat and I believe it also has an
air pump, but not sure about the air pump. Both are 351Ms. I think my truck is
rated at 8000 plus pounds. I'll look it up and forward to you if you wish. I
only have Digest form and only at work and I'm going to Charleston SC
tomorrow, so I'll be out of pocket for a few days.

If you don't purchase the truck, and it isn't too far from me, I might be
interested. Let me know.

WORKING TO BE THE BEST
Azie Magnusson
PROFS ID (AM14):E-Mail AM14 Chrysler.com
Tie Line (835-2578):Outside (205)464-2578

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:13:03 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
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Subject: RE: Compression, was Ok here's my theroy....
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ok, this is the way it goes. the ford 460 can run about a half point =
more compression than the bb chevy on the same gas. this means about =
11:1 for pump gas. (cast iron heads and good pump gas!) i was running =
an early one with 11.5:1 with detonation only on a rare occasion, on =
pump gas. idled smooth as glass and pulled 6500 rpm with a mild street =
hyd. cam.

don't run a lean mixture for economy, jet appropriatly for your =
combination but not rich either as cyl. wear increases. my motor =
mentioned above gave 10 mpg about on street with a 600 holley vacuum =
sec, c6 tranny, 3.50 rears, 33" mudders, and a lead foot. i always =
thought it was good economy for a 4x4 that outran several local muscle =
cars and newer mustangs/camaros and turbo sports cars.

now, if you want to spend some cash, alum. heads will allow a higher =
comp ratio without as much possibility of detonation. Blue Thunder =
makes a set that will increase performance and economy drastically while =
allowing the higher comp. ratio you want or maybe more.

and remember that a well polished combustion chamber will yield much =
better results. the small ports and bigger valves are a way to go, 1973 =
police heads had the stock ports and valves sizes between the CJ and =
stock sizes. these worked great. even the CJ size valves and a good =
port-polish job supposedly gives about 65 hp over stock. the work done =
to the heads makes a big difference in both economy and HP. this =
includes the valve job, combustion chamber, bowls and ports.

also, a RV type cam and high compression will lead to detonation faster =
than a high duratiun long overlap cam and high compression. this is =
because of the dynamic compression being so low with a larger cam at =
slower engine speeds.

currently i am running a 460 with a hair over 9:1, about 280 deg. adv. =
dur., 536 lift, with stock heads mildly ported on the exhaust side ( =
just grinding out the bug lump should give about 25 hp if done poorly) =
stock valves sizes. power? all you'd want from 3000 to 5000 rpm. =
economy? well, my torq conv. stalls at 3000 so with 3.50 gears, i don't =
get good mpg unless i run about 75 mph and then it seems to give about =
10-12. but tooling around the fields or whatever in 4wd low it drops to =
3-5 with my heavy foot.

i am sure this motor would give 15 mpg with an RV converter and a =
smaller carb like a 650. but me, i am going to build the motor to use =
the converter instead, i need more power ~tim allen grunt~!!!!

did i forget anything?

sleddog

btw gary, looks like the prices on the jacobs ignition have come down, i =
saw them in summit for alot cheaper than the jacobs sales men were =
selling them for. good ignition though.

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 3:56 AM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Compression, was Ok here's my theroy....

> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:12:52 -0500
> From: Daver
> Subject: Re: Ok here's my theroy....

> Now I hope I have'nt beat this to death. Sorry Ken no Ford truck
> spacific content.

Don't be silly. At least you used a Ford for the example and all=20
Ford trucks use fuel and have to overcome the same problems. I=20
appreciate the imput but still have one question :-( Have you ever=20
seen an engine such as the 460 set up with 12:1 compression running a=20
lean mixture on pump gas so that some measure of economy could be=20
obtained?

My plan is to run a roller cam, more for the techie aspect than any=20
expected real gains and roller rockers with larger valves and small=20
runners and ports with some kind of increased compression for better=20
economy and performance (efficiency) with relatively high lift,=20
moderate overlap and duration for low end torque with the hope of=20
increasing the top end as well. The boys on the bronco list with=20
some 460 experience seem to like 10.5:1 but they aren't into the=20
racing angle so may not know your tricks. A Jacobs tech told me he=20
was running a 12:1 460 on the street with no problems on pump gas so=20
maybe there's hope yet :-)

I built a stock one with a torque cam and dished, forged pistons and=20
have been very pleased with it so far. I'm going to build another=20
one with the stuff mentioned above and expect greater things this=20
time around so any input on the compression thing with my particular=20
driving parameters in mind would be appreciated. (78 bronco, daily=20
driver with good road manners and economy, limited off road but lots=20
of snow, manual transmission)

-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:19:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:58:18 +0000
> From: "Rodney S. Richeson"
> Subject: C-6

> Someone said there might be a rubber part that needs to be replaced.
> Is this something that can be done without pulling it clear out of
> the truck? Also can I pull the valve body out from underneath
> without thing sproinging about the garage floor? I haven't pulled a
> tranny apart before, as you can tell.

I don't remember a rubber thing like that but it's been a while since
I had one apart. The valve body should come off in one piece with no
surprises but don't take it apart without a schematic in front of you
to get the check balls back in the right place!!! There is no way
to look at the thing and determine with any certainty where they go
and they will fall out when you take it apart since you will
undoubtedly have it upside down when you do (Murphey's Law).

I split the cases on a 74 TM 400 once without a book which told me
which side to lay it on so all the gears don't fall out. All the
gears, bearing, pushpins, springs and levers fell out, does that tell
you anything?


-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:14:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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Subject: RE: Compression, was Ok here's my theroy....
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> From: Kevin Kemmerer
> Subject: RE: Compression, was Ok here's my theroy....
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:13:03 -0400

> currently i am running a 460 with a hair over 9:1, about 280 deg.
> adv. dur., 536 lift, with stock heads mildly ported on the exhaust
> side ( just grinding out the bug lump should give about 25 hp if
> done poorly) stock valves sizes. power? all you'd want from 3000 to

Did you mean "Properly"? I've read articles which stated that the
humps are the single most restrictive part of the stock heads and the
exhaust, because of this is the only part that really needs much
attention except for possibly using larger intake valves etc..

I'm sure my engine doen't put out anywhere near 500 hp and it's still
scary but it looks like it doesn't take much tweaking to get that
with the 460 so I guess I'll be looking into the new NV 6 speed with
600# input torque rating :-)

I really only regret two things about my first attempt:
I didn't have the crank ground and replace the front seal sleeve.
I couldn't find a forged flat top piston for it back then.

My next one should be really fun since all the parts are out there
now, I just wish there were more roller cam options for low rpm
torque. There are tons for the 351M starting at 1500 rpm but only a
few starting at 2500 rpm for the 460 that I've found so far. Most
roller cams are made for hot rods I guess.


-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claypaul aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: rearend
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Mark, I believe what you read is correct if you do indeed have a posi
rearend. I had a similar problem and they make a posi lube specifically for
that chatter. It usually happens, though only when your turning a corner at
low speeds.... give it a try. It's a cheap solution if it works. Regards,
Paul.

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Date: 29 Jul 97 14:29:13 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: thanks
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Yeah...from what folks are telling me, ATF acts more as a detergent and MMO is
more like a solvent when used for fixing stuck lifters, etc. I just need to be
careful. This is an old motor and it's been sitting for a long, long time. My
hope is that a few hundred miles and an oil change or two will free it up.

Thanks again,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302


At 10:26 AM 7/27/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Ken wrote:
free
>up gummed lifters? Sometimes it does the trick.>>
>
>Yes, but I am concerned with dislodging any crap that might be making the oil
>rings work, etc. I am taking the conservative approach. I'll drive it for
awhile
>to see if it doesn't just free up on its own. Then, maybe a quart of ATF.
>Then...
>
>Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>
>DC Beatty
>1967 F-100 352
>1974 Maverick 302
>
>

I've used ATF for many of the same applications as Marvel
Mystery Oil. Does wonders for cleaning out your carb if
you put a little in your gas tank!

Ken


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:52:32 -0700
From: David Gunn
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I have a '64 292. I am having a difficult time locating information on this
engine. I know that the 272 and 312 are of the same family, but that is
about all I have found out.

Some of the questions I have are; can I replace the solid lifters with
hydraulic and which ones will work?, What about upgrading the ignition to a
breaker-less ignition?

Other questions; Where can I get inside door handles without getting
ripped-off? also brake and clutch pads (for the pedals), and chrome bits
for the body.

The truck is a '64 F100 Custom Cab, long bed. Quite a work truck.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. We are in San Jose, Calif.


dave

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:24:32 -0500
From: "Casey"
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Hello I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could locate the VIN
plate on a Ford F100 Custom Cab. Now the reason for this question is that
it would possibly help me identify what year the truck is I am thinking it
is a 1961 because that is what the taillamp lense says but I am not sure.
Also I think that this trucks engine is different from the original is
there any way I can prove this. Any help that can be given will be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks
P.S. Mr. FoMoCo sent me to this site.




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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:34:24 +0300
From: "Tero Saarelainen"
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> From: David Gunn
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: "Y" block engines
> Date: 29. July 1997 21:52
>
> I have a '64 292. I am having a difficult time locating information on
this
> engine. I know that the 272 and 312 are of the same family, but that is
> about all I have found out.
>
There is one quite good book of Y-Block engines: "Ford Y-Block, How to
repair and rebuild the 1954-62 Ford OHV V-8" by James Eickman. The last
year is 62 for cars and 64 for trucks. There was also 239 and 256 Y-Blocks.

> Some of the questions I have are; can I replace the solid lifters with
> hydraulic and which ones will work?, What about upgrading the ignition
to a
> breaker-less ignition?
>
You can't replace solid lifters with hydraulic ones. Upgrading the ignition
to breaker-less is possible, I am planning to do it also.

> Other questions; Where can I get inside door handles without getting
> ripped-off? also brake and clutch pads (for the pedals), and chrome bits
> for the body.
>
I think that door handles and brake and clutch pads are with quite same
price with all part suppliers. And what I know there is some chrome body
bits available, not all. I would like to find F-O-R-D letters above grille
to my '62 F100.

> The truck is a '64 F100 Custom Cab, long bed. Quite a work truck.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. We are in San Jose, Calif.
>
>
> dave
>
I hope this helps.

Tero Saarelainen
Finland
teros dlc.fi
'61 & '62 F-100 Unibody

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:43:28 +0300
From: "Tero Saarelainen"
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The plate should be inside of the glovebox door. There is also serial
number in passenger side frame rails upperside about under rearpart of
exhaustmanifold.

I hope this helps.

Tero Saarelainen
Finland
teros dlc.fi
'61 & '62 F-100 Unibody

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> From: Casey
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Help
> Date: 29. July 1997 22:24
>
> Hello I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could locate the
VIN
> plate on a Ford F100 Custom Cab. Now the reason for this question is
that
> it would possibly help me identify what year the truck is I am thinking
it
> is a 1961 because that is what the taillamp lense says but I am not sure.

> Also I think that this trucks engine is different from the original is
> there any way I can prove this. Any help that can be given will be
greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks
> P.S. Mr. FoMoCo sent me to this site.
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:04:58 -0700
From: Mac
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ
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I'd love one of those catalogs if they cover 73-79 trucks. And Ken it
does sound like a great idea!!
Sorry for the slow response I've been out of town

Malcolm O'Blenis
1979 F-150 351W with Rhino Performance dual exhaust.
(Had to tell you'all about my new exhaust, sounds very mean.)


Ken Payne wrote:

> Yesterday I received an email from one of the largest Ford antique
> parts companies. They would like to distribute their catalog, free
> of charge, to anyone on our list who is interested.

> Express your opinions either on the list or email me privately
> (kpayne mindspring.com), whichever you feel most comfortable with.
>
> -Ken
> List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
> Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
> (subscribe/unsubscribe forms on the web site)
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:22:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:04:58 -0700
> From: Mac
> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ADMIN NEWS, PLEASE READ

> I'd love one of those catalogs if they cover 73-79 trucks. And Ken
> it does sound like a great idea!! Sorry for the slow response I've
> been out of town

Me too!

> Ken Payne wrote:
>
> > Yesterday I received an email from one of the largest Ford antique
> > parts companies. They would like to distribute their catalog,
> > free of charge, to anyone on our list who is interested.

-- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:36:44 -0400
From: SHOman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 72 Shop manual Response?
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I had some body respond for my 72 shop manual set..Can u please
email me your address again..you had a 72 Camper special????
Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: TACYCBR aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Will 429 fit a 77 f150
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No the exhaust manifolds will not work on the 429 but manifolds off a 460
will. The modifieds manifolds will work only on 351C and 400.



78 F-100 351C CJ
79 F-100 300

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:26:13 -0500
From: KEVIN
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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Hey Ken,Iwould be very interested in recieveing one of the catalogs.Do I
send my address to you or to whom.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:30:11 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 460 engine
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I getting a 460 engine tonight. I don't know anything about it but
the engine number is dive-6015-A2B. Does this mean anything?

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:17:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: catalog
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At 06:26 PM 7/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Ken,Iwould be very interested in recieveing one of the catalogs.Do I
>send my address to you or to whom.
>
>

The supplier is approving the announcement that I'm going to make
to the group. At that point, full details, including how to
get a catalog (online) will get sent to the group. Their a little
slow to respond to email, took a week for the last message I sent
them, got a response Sunday. Hopefully, by Friday I won't have
to keep anyone in the dark about it any longer.


Note: by approving, I do not mean editorial, they just want to
make sure I have the order form description and company details
correct.

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:06:52 -0700
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: gas tank location
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John Strauss wrote:
>
> >I've been looking at a 77 F250 4x4 that recently came up for sale in my area.
> >It's in very good shape though not 100% original, big tires, aftermarket
> >bumpers, etc...which leads me to the question at hand...
> >
> >What was the last year that the F250 was made with the gas tank behind the
> >seat?
> >

There was a 75 running around town that had three tanks in the truck.
It had the two under the bed and one behind the seat. The one behind
the seat had a valve that let it drain into the front tank.

> 1972 was the last "official" year of this from the standpoint of EVERY
> truck having the tank behind the seat. But I am looking at a picture of a
> 1976 F150 4x4 with tanks both behind the seat and under the bed behind the
> rear axle. So it looks like sometimes the tank might have been there but I
> can't tell you the determining factor. The only thing I can think of is if
> somebody wanted an auxiliary tank on a 4x4 and the transfer case was in the
> way? Don't know.
>
> >The above mentioned truck has the gas tank behind the seat, though I thought
> >the last year for that was 76. Is this truck truely a 77 or am I looking at....

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