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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 121

Today's Topics:

Re: All this and still HOT!! ["Jim Strigas"
Re: 1967 backup lights ["George Shepherd"
Re: HELP [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: vey funny John Strauss [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: vey funny John Strauss ["George Shepherd"
Re: vey funny John Strauss ["George Shepherd"
dana 60 pinion bearing [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: Disc brake conversion problems [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: All this and still HOT!! [MadPoodle aol.com ]
Re: vey funny John Strauss [Ken Payne ]
proportioning valve location [Ken Payne ]
We've reached another milestone [Ken Payne ]
Re: econoline trucks [OldTrux aol.com ]
'67 F100 Brakes [OldTrux aol.com ]
RE: 9" rear identification [mcat epix.net ]
1962 F350 disc brake conversion ["JAMES MERLO"

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:32:33 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
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Daver and Jim, are you taking into consideration the part of
Griz's post that says...

>heating up to about 260+ when I am running on the highway
at about 70mph >for about 10-15 miles. It hasn't blown
water out.....yet.

I don't want to give bad advice but, I don't think it's
overheating! I would find a thermometer that goes up past
400 deg. drill a hole in the radiator cap for it, and see
what temp it really is. If it's not overheating on that
thermometer it only cost a new cap! Maybe where the sender
is, is blocked and it's only getting hot there and not the
whole system.
What do you guy's think?


Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

I don't lie, cheat or steal unnecessarily.

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> From: Clark Gustafson
> To: Fordnatics Mailing List ;
Ford Truck Mailing List
> Subject: All this and still HOT!!
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 1997 5:50 AM
>
> Hello its me Griz,
> As you recall (well some of you might), I have a 73' F-100
w/302 cu in. I
> have replaced the radiator with a new on, the thermostat
(with a new 160
> degree one) and the temp sender with a mechanical unit,
and installed a
> flex fan, and still the damn thing persist in heating up
to about 260+ when
> I am running on the highway at about 70mph for about 10-15
miles. It
> hasn't blown water out.....yet. I have recently replaced
the timing chain
> and in doing so I had the "mechanic" check the water pump
for wear, he
> informed me that "the shaft was not loose and felt
[tight]", he did not
> remove the rear cover to inspect the fins though (DAH!!).
I can see the
> water moving in the radiator when the thermostat opens,
but I am not really
> sure if it is moving up to par. I am now in the process of
having the water
> pump replaced with another OEM rebuilt unit (for $20 it
was worth the try)
> and FINALLY my question is what is left if this don't
work, the truck runs
> a little rich if that helps, I plan to convert it over to
Electronic Ign.
> soon too. As I have said in the past the darn engine runs
much to strong to
> toss it aside or give up, so please help me if you can ( I
am requesting
> HELP not discussion on the theory of liquid-dynamics
guys!! LOL) I am
> planning a 1500+ trip and need this thing to make it,
thanks for all your
> help!!! Griz
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:58:10 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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They aren't lying. The only switch for ignition interlock and backup lights
is on the steering column. I remember it as being inside the cab, several
inches up from the firewall, not in the engine compartment.


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> From: DC Beatty
> To: 'FORD TRUCKS'
> Subject: 1967 backup lights
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 1997 7:53 PM
>
> The backup lights don't work in my '67 F-100. The Chilton book states
that I
> should have a little switch on the steering column by the shift lever. I
got the
> switch at the boneyard and installed it and they still don't work. There
are no
> wires going to the FMX tranny.
>
> Many of the '67-'72 trucks at the boneyard didn't have a switch either.
Instead,
> there was a sort of jumper wire on the push-on terminal that would plug
into the
> switch. Mine was exactly like these others that I saw. I was wondering
what
> other '67 truck owners had to activate their backup lights. Is the
Chilton book
> lying to me?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
>
> BTW, I drove a 1997 F-150 XLT with 33 miles on it at work the other day.
It has
> a 5.4 litre (???) engine and a 4 speed auto. It was one nice ride.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:01:25 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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>
>I have a 1977 F-150 with a 300 engine , i was wondering if anyone has a under
>the hood decal with the idle rpm, etc . The Chiltons manual i have refers to
>it, and unfortunaly it isn't there. If someone could tell me what the
>settings are, or where i could get the info, i would very much thank you!!!!
>
>Fondly,
>
>Gary
>
>
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Gary,

no need to fondle, really! (unless you were referring to the truck and not
to the members of the list!)

Anyway I went and looked in my Haynes "manual" and of course it sez exactly
the same thing: "see decal". Glad they went to all the trouble.

BUT!

I have an older Chilton truck repair manual (amazing book, you can repair
detroit and perkins diesels, air brakes, all kinds of transmissions and
diffs, etc. Unreal!) ISBN 0-8019-5945-4 Library of Congress 74-2309 if
you're interested, which gives specs for all manner of trucks, unfortunately
only until 73. But, well, you could probably make do with that, I don't
imagine they changed it very much unless you live in Cali and have an air
pump or something.

Specs for 300 six, 69-73:


Gap: .34
Timing: 6 degrees btdc
Cranking Comp: 175
Valve clearance: zero
Idle speed: 600 std, 525 auto

Unless somebody with a decal can help!


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:03:05 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: vey funny John Strauss
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>Robert Cook wrote:
>>
>> Well John I guess it would take one of you Texans to think I wanted you
>> to lay the whole engine on the office xerox machine. If it will keep you
>> from getting in trouble you can take the valve covers off. I would still
>> like you to lay the rest of the engine on there and get me a copy of
>> that label. What if I said please, would that make a difference.
>>
>> Touche' from Houston Texas,
>> Robert Cook
>John maybe you could put the xerox on top of the engine? does any one
>know if a xerox machine will function inverted?
>
>Molater
>
>Daver
>
maybe once the xerox is done, we could have Ken post it on the pictures
page.....


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 02:11:00 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
To:
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> From: Daver
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: vey funny John Strauss
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 1997 10:37 AM
>
> Robert Cook wrote:
> >
> > Well John I guess it would take one of you Texans to think I wanted you
> > to lay the whole engine on the office xerox machine. If it will keep
you
> > from getting in trouble you can take the valve covers off. I would
still
> > like you to lay the rest of the engine on there and get me a copy of
> > that label. What if I said please, would that make a difference.
> >
> > Touche' from Houston Texas,
> > Robert Cook
> John maybe you could put the xerox on top of the engine? does any one
> know if a xerox machine will function inverted?

Actually you should lay both on their sides without touching. Just like
safe sex, no touching, no grease on the xerox.
>
> Molater
>
> Daver
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 02:14:55 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
To:
Subject: Re: vey funny John Strauss
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> From: marko maryniak
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: vey funny John Strauss
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 1997 2:03 AM
>
> >Robert Cook wrote:
> >>
> >> Well John I guess it would take one of you Texans to think I wanted
you
> >> to lay the whole engine on the office xerox machine. If it will keep
you
> >> from getting in trouble you can take the valve covers off. I would
still
> >> like you to lay the rest of the engine on there and get me a copy of
> >> that label. What if I said please, would that make a difference.
> >>
> >> Touche' from Houston Texas,
> >> Robert Cook
> >John maybe you could put the xerox on top of the engine? does any one
> >know if a xerox machine will function inverted?
> >
> >Molater
> >
> >Daver
> >
> maybe once the xerox is done, we could have Ken post it on the pictures
> page.....

Nah, its too hard to stuff the xerox down the wires, and besides its
probably too heavy for the page. :-))
>
>
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net
> 71 f250 4x4
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:11:54 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: dana 60 pinion bearing
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Does anyone know how much trouble it is to change the pinion bearing on a
Dana 60? I am about to go checking around for somebody to get this done,
and would like to know ballpark what this kind of job is worth. Also, is
there anything special that shud be done, that some hack might not do
properly? When you do this do you have to get the shims right to make sure
the gears mesh properly?

BTW I figured out the chattering problem, it was my transfer case mounts. I
tried posting them to the list yesterday but for some reason it failed, so
here goes again:

If you have a 67-76 4x4 with a NP 205 transfer case, and the rubber
insulators are going bad, then you should replace them. These can be very
hard to find, I spent an hour with my friendly Ford parts guy looking on
cracked, faded barely readable microfiches, and found them. You will need:

four of B4Q7010B (insulator) these go between the steel mounting plate that
bolts onto the crossmember, and the transfer case itself;
and
four of B9TZ-6039-A (insulator) these go above the steel mounting plate onto
the big odd-shaped studs which screw into the tranfer case housing.

The rubber in these things is as hard as a hockey puck.

PS, does anybody know why Ford insisted on painting these parts yellow from
the factory, since they're only black rubber anyway?


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:22:14 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Disc brake conversion problems
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Although parts books are usually right, before buying brake parts for my
truck I went to a brake shop and asked them where they get their parts.
Turns out here in Vancouver there is one distributor (unbelievably staffed
entirely by little old ladies: "was that for a 3/4 ton with drums or disks,
sonny?") for all of the brake parts, you know, Bendix etc. Or phone Bendix
and find out who their distributor is in your area. I got NEW stuff, really
cheap. Cost me 100 bucks (Canadian!) for four wheel cylinders and a master
cylinder. New!


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: All this and still HOT!!
Message-ID:

In a message dated 7/20/97 1:41:45, jstrigas worldnet.att.net (Jim Strigas)
wrote:

>heating up to about 260+ when I am running on the highway
>at about 70mph >for about 10-15 miles. It hasn't blown
>water out.....yet.
>
>I don't want to give bad advice but, I don't think it's
>overheating!


Sounds like good advice here. Think a bit, if engine really hitting 260, why
isn't it boiling over? Unless we have a 45# radiator cap, it should by this
stage of the game.... I would locate another port for the sending unit, and
install the gauge there,or a second gauge to verify it. Also, if engine
hitting that temp, methinks you would hear pre-ignition, another clue.....
If you have access to an infrared thermometer, you could run truck hard,
then stop and check various areas of the engine to see if any hot spots
exist. A rental company dealing with industrial users might have one to rent
for a few bucks, otherwise they run about $200.00 to buy. I purchased one
recently, and it's already paid for itself..

l8tr

Scott

Why do modem manufacturers have online technical assistance?

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:09:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: vey funny John Strauss
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-snip-

>maybe once the xerox is done, we could have Ken post it on the pictures
>page.....
>
>

-snip-

I've never like Xerox, they're never come up with anything
original.

-Ken (sorry, couldn't help it)
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:53:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: proportioning valve location
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If someone here can tell me how a 76 proportioning
valve mounts I would appreciate it. I fabriated
a mount for my 67 when I did the change over to discs.
I didn't have this list as a resource then, I do for
my friend's 68 so if someone out there knows I'd
appreciate it. The location for the split-off/pressure
differential switch on the 68 is on the frame, crammed
in front of the tranny frame rail. It doesn't look
like the 76's proportioning valve will fit there.

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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(Email me if you're on the wrong list)

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:55:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com, fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: We've reached another milestone
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Today the web site had its 20,000th visitor. I want to
thank everyone for making our groups successful.

-Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldTrux aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: econoline trucks
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Back in '71 a mechanic at the local Ford garage slipped a 289 cobra jet into
an econoline and seemed to have no problem doing it. I don't know the
particulars, but I'd keep it a small block!

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:52:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldTrux aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '67 F100 Brakes
Message-ID:

I have a '66 F100 4x4 with 4 wheel drum brakes, a single master cyl and no
power assist. I heard that the '67 F100 has a dual master cyl. Will it bolt
right in place of my old single master cyl? If I want to add power assist,
do I need anything other than the vacuum unit (like a mounting bracket, etc)?

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 97 19:18:12 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: 9" rear identification
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Lee,
In your vast collection would you have any doors for a 56 C600 coe?
I could use a passenger side one. Any leads would be appreciated.
Thanks, Garry
- -- On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 19:40:33 -0400 Lee Hardy
wrote:

>Hi John: For any info on 9" rears, I always call Currie Enterprises in
>Anaheim Ca. Their # is ( 714 ) 528 6957. That is all that they
do,,,make
>9" rears fit. I have copied articles out of various mags pertinent to 9"
>rears so I can talk fairly inteligently, but I am not an expert--they
are.
>If you send me your address, I will be glad to mail you a copy of the
>article and pictures on how to identify what you want. Thanks, Lee.. If
>you need any parts for your truck, I have four barns full of 35-56 Ford
>Truck parts. Talk to you later
>
>
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 7/20/97 Time: 7:18:12 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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