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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 100

Today's Topics:

FE Distributor Conversion From Conve [tedandbj world-net.net ]
RE: '97 Trucks [DC Beatty
RE: It's pumpkin season. [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Headers [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: '97 Trucks [Don Grossman ]
Brake Bleeding [Gerald & Lisa ]
VIN information [rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier) ]
Re: Brake Bleeding [William Sabers
'95 T-5 in '78 F150 [Mike Schwall ]
RE: Brake Bleeding [DC Beatty
RE: '97 Trucks [DC Beatty
9 inch rear end [DC Beatty
Re: Brake Bleeding [Chris North ]
Re: 9 inch rear end [Chris North ]
Re: Headers [kel-cel ccinet.ab.ca (kel-cel ) ]
Re: It's pumpkin season. [Daver ]
Re: Headers [Daver ]
Happy 4th of July All ["The Zahn's"
Re: Brake Bleeding [Gerald & Lisa ]

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:57:05 -0500
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As best I can tell, on my 1966 FE (352/390), if I replace my
conventional breaker point type distributor with a 1976 breakerless
distributor, I need add only an ignition module and appropriate
connectors. Existing wiring looks like it will support this setup,
spark plugs could be changed to wider gap, mixture could be leaned more,
and the coil be replaced with to increase voltage to the plugs. The
goal is reduced maintenance, tighter emissions control, and some
improvement in mileage. Does this seem reasonable or have I overlooked
something?

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Date: 02 Jul 97 18:23:35 EDT
From: DC Beatty
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It's an honest to God seven lug wheel. I bet they cost $900 each. What is the
world coming to?

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352 (five lug wheels)
1974 Maverick 302 (also five lug wheels)

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What still doesn't look right to me is the 7 lug hubcaps on the 3/4 ton
trucks. There was one in the parking lot that I noticed. Did Ford
start using the 7 lug wheels on the 97 3/4 ton or is just the hub cap
only have the 7 lug designe?

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:12:12 -0400
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the 9" is easy to do. i haven't done it for awhile. latelt i have just =
been swapping center sections. you could get a new complete center with =
a detroit locker for $1000. alot less without the locker. the pinion =
is the hardest thing to assemble. setting up the ring and gear contact =
patch is esy just use the grease that is meant for this job, normal =
grease won't show a true contact patch. i can't describe what the patch =
should look like a picture here would be worth 1,000 e-mails. all parts =
are easily available and fairly cheap. a dial indicator and base helps, =
but is not necassary. i have never had failier from a bad setup and i =
only ever did it by feel and by the contact patch. the only failure i =
have had is from just to much power combined with too much traction. =
then, it isn't gears braking, but the housing itself lettin' loose. it =
isn't a pretty site to see the pinion on the ground attachedto the drive =
shaft anf the ring gear in the housing - oil all over the ground!

kevin

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Subject: It's pumpkin season.

My 31-spline limited-slip 9" rearaxle is starting to quietly ask for =
help,
and the limited slip clutches have been gone for awhile now so I think =
it's
about time to pull the pumpkin out and rebuild it.

Has anyone out there done this lately?

I'm a little curious about prices and availability of the parts. =
(bearings,
seals, clutches, etc.)

Any special tools required to set it up correctly on reassembly?

Words of wisdom/advise/trick tips/etc?

Thanks,

Steve Delanty (sdelanty sonic.net)

1971 F100 shortbox, FE390, T-18 4-speed


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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:04:50 -0400
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ford had headers for some FE engines, but not the 390 i think. besides, =
they were for cars and might be tight fit in your truck. there is as =
far as i am concerned absolutely no good reason to use manifolds if you =
can get headers. better power, mpg, sound, etc.

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Was wondering if anyone out there in Ford Truck land has an opinion on =
headers vs stock
exhaust manifolds? I have a 1967 Ford F250 4x4 stripped down to the =
frame and am
getting ready to put a 390 back in it and I am trying to decide if to go =
with headers or
stock manifods. It has a Ford 4-barrel manifold with a 600 Holley, =
other wise pretty
much stock. Also, does anyone know of a stock OEM Ford headers that =
might be available
for the 390?

Thanks for any info??

Andy Aydelott
1967 F250 4x4
1972 F100


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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 18:34:27 +0000
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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> It's an honest to God seven lug wheel. I bet they cost $900 each. What is the
> world coming to?
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352 (five lug wheels)
> 1974 Maverick 302 (also five lug wheels)

Why in the world would Ford change the wheel and bolt patern to seven
lugs ahead of the complete redesign to the 98 model? They are going to
have 1 model year that will use special rotors, hubs for the 4x4, rear
drums and other parts.

Just for the asking what makes 7 lugs superior to the 8 lug that are
(were) so common? I think it was an accounting department thing. Save
1 lugnut per wheel, 4 lug nuts per truck x1,000,000 truck and they be
RICH!!!;-)

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......


63 Ford F-250 4x4 (8 lugs and plan to stay that way)

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:10:54 -0700
From: Gerald & Lisa
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Anybody in Ford Truck land..... we are trying to bleed our brake lines
in our '77 F150 (4x4) after a hopefully successful disk brake rotor
replacement. The Haynes manual says to open the bleeder rod on the
pressure differential valve first. Than hook up the hose to the bleeder
valve and have the assistant push the brake. We did the rear brakes, but
when we try to bleed the two front brakes, nothing comes out of the hose
air or fluid. Please help... Thanks.

Jerry & Lisa

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 22:20:36 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
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Bill Flood writes:
"I have the registration form from the 1939 pickup. It has "Ident. or
Engine No.": 4881722 Does this number have any meaning??"

Bill,
Yes it does, if you can locate the stamping on the frame (left side just in front of the steering gear, stamped in the top of the frame, look for numbers 3/16 inch high), it should actually read 48-81722. There should be a dash in the number. The dash is frequently missing from the title because people like me used to fill them out and I would never put the dash in there, because I was told it did not belong there. The 48 is the "model number" which will describe the wheel base, the engine horsepower, the body style (I think) and probably the transmission if I can find that information. I have an old Ford parts book that goes from 37 to 47 and has this information. If I can remember I will lok it up tomorrow at work (I have the parts book there to copy some sections of it) I will give you whatever information I can find. The 81722 is the serial number of the vehicle.
Regards,
Roger Meier

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:43:44 -0500 (CDT)
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I have always done the back brakes last. The way I was taught was to go
from the brake (tire) closest to the master cylinder then move to the next
furthest, and so on..... This would mean that most vehicles would go like:
1. left front
2. right front
3. left rear
4. right rear
this keeps the fluid w/out air closer to the master cylinder. Because you
drained the rear first, you have pressure on both sides of the brake.

Just my $.02 worth
Hope it helps

Wsabers .... part-time backyard Ford wrencher
'78 Primer Bronco
'69 Vermillion Red Mach I

> Anybody in Ford Truck land..... we are trying to bleed our brake lines
> in our '77 F150 (4x4) after a hopefully successful disk brake rotor
> replacement. The Haynes manual says to open the bleeder rod on the
> pressure differential valve first. Than hook up the hose to the bleeder
> valve and have the assistant push the brake. We did the rear brakes, but
> when we try to bleed the two front brakes, nothing comes out of the hose
> air or fluid. Please help... Thanks.
>
> Jerry & Lisa
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:09:59 -0500
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I need help, again. I have a chance to acquire a T-5, bellhousing and
clutch from a '95 Mustang. I have a '78 F150 w/302 and 3 speed standard -
one piece driveshaft.

Has anyone installed a late model T-5 in a ''78 (or 73 to '79) F150 w/302?

Is the bellhousing bolt pattern on a 302 block the same on a '78 and '95?
Is the bolt pattern for the transmission side of the bellhousing the same
on a '95 and '78 (can I bolt up a T-5 to a '78 bellhousing)? I have a
measurement for the depth of the '95 bellhousing - 7.5". My bellhousing
depth (block to transmission mating surface) is 6.5" - The input shaft on
the T-5 must be longer than my 3 speed.

Will this work? Can I put a '95 Mustang T-5 in a '78 F150 truck?

HELP!

Thanks,

Mike


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Date: 03 Jul 97 00:10:34 EDT
From: DC Beatty
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Subject: RE: Brake Bleeding
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I am no genius, but I have never messed with the proportioning valve when
bleeding brakes. I just do 'em all at the wheels until no bubbles come out. It
works every time. I did massive brake work on a 1976 F-250 with heavy duty front
disks and never messed with this valve. Does anybody know why Haynes would put
this step into their instructions? Is there something particular to the '77 4x?

Have you guys tried to bleed them without messing with the proportioning valve?
What does the pedal feel like with the system all closed up?

Definitely be very careful with this. Don't drive the truck until you are sure
it's fixed.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302


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Anybody in Ford Truck land..... we are trying to bleed our brake lines
in our '77 F150 (4x4) after a hopefully successful disk brake rotor
replacement. The Haynes manual says to open the bleeder rod on the
pressure differential valve first. Than hook up the hose to the bleeder
valve and have the assistant push the brake. We did the rear brakes, but
when we try to bleed the two front brakes, nothing comes out of the hose
air or fluid. Please help... Thanks.

Jerry & Lisa


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Date: 03 Jul 97 00:10:29 EDT
From: DC Beatty
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Personally Don, I have absolutely no idea why Ford would do something like this.
It seems exactly as stupid an idea as you have portrayed it to be. Maybe someone
else on the list can provide the answer.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> It's an honest to God seven lug wheel. I bet they cost $900 each. What is the
> world coming to?
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352 (five lug wheels)
> 1974 Maverick 302 (also five lug wheels)

Why in the world would Ford change the wheel and bolt patern to seven
lugs ahead of the complete redesign to the 98 model? They are going to
have 1 model year that will use special rotors, hubs for the 4x4, rear
drums and other parts.

Just for the asking what makes 7 lugs superior to the 8 lug that are
(were) so common? I think it was an accounting department thing. Save
1 lugnut per wheel, 4 lug nuts per truck x1,000,000 truck and they be
RICH!!!;-)

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......


63 Ford F-250 4x4 (8 lugs and plan to stay that way)


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Date: 03 Jul 97 00:10:30 EDT
From: DC Beatty
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Subject: 9 inch rear end
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I have a Dana 3.54:1 limited slip diff. in my truck. Is this considered a 9"?
Also, isn't this also named a "spicer 44" or something? How does a person
distinguish a 9" from looking at it?

Thanks. I've been real curious about this for a long time.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:54:46 -0500 (CDT)
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>I have always done the back brakes last. The way I was taught was to go
>from the brake (tire) closest to the master cylinder then move to the next
>furthest, and so on..... This would mean that most vehicles would go like:
>1. left front
>2. right front
>3. left rear
>4. right rear
>this keeps the fluid w/out air closer to the master cylinder. Because you
>drained the rear first, you have pressure on both sides of the brake.
>

Not intending to flame anybody, but this is exactaly opposite of what I
have been told. I learned that you wanted to do the wheel cylinder
farthest away from the MC first, then the next farthest, etc... That is:
1 Rt Rear
2 Lf Rear
3 Rt Front
4 Lf Front
Now, with a dual cylinder MC, I doubt it makes much difference if you do
the rear first or not, but that was the way I was taught.

chris north

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 00:23:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris North
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>I have a Dana 3.54:1 limited slip diff. in my truck. Is this considered a 9"?
>Also, isn't this also named a "spicer 44" or something? How does a person
>distinguish a 9" from looking at it?
>
>Thanks. I've been real curious about this for a long time.
>

Not wanting to falme anybody, but...

A Ford 9" is very easy to identify. No bolt on acess plate on the back.
The differential 'pumpkin' bolts in from the front. Chrysler also used
this design on their 8 3/4 rear end, but they won't bolt right into a
chubbie truck, so you don't hear much about them.

The Dana uses a design similar to the GM rear ends. An access plate that
bolts onto the back. I believe Spicer is the axle division of Dana Power
Transmission Corp (or something like that). The Spicer 44 I have only
heard about, having 5 bolt axles instead of the 8 bolt axles on the 60 and
70 models used on 3/4 ton and up. I have heard that these were used on
both Fords and Dodges in the early 60's.

I have always thought that the Ford 9" was better than the Spicer 44
because you could change out 'pumpkins' (and, consequently, gear ratios) in
about 30 minutes without taking the rearend out of the truck. With the
Spicer 44, the differential has to be 'set' into the housing and shimmed up
to get the proper engagement of the pinion and ring gears. There may be
benifits to the Spicer 44 I do not know about, though.

chris north

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:01:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: kel-cel ccinet.ab.ca (kel-cel )
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>Was wondering if anyone out there in Ford Truck land has an opinion on
headers vs stock exhaust manifolds?

My brother-in-law replaced his factory manifolds with
headers when he rebuilt, and has regretted it ever since.
(1972 F100 302 Auto)
They were ignorant to install, rattle, hard to seal properly,
and require more maintainance.

On the plus side, it goes like h*ll. So if you like turning wrenches,
go for it.

Kelly.
97 F150 4*4
97 Explorer
48 F-47 pickup

-- The Spongbergs --
Kelly, Colleen, & Dallas

"Keep your stick on the ice."
Red Green (aka Steve Smith)

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:19:37 -0500
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sdelanty sonic.net wrote:
>
> My 31-spline limited-slip 9" rearaxle is starting to quietly ask for help,
> and the limited slip clutches have been gone for awhile now so I think it's
> about time to pull the pumpkin out and rebuild it.
>
> Has anyone out there done this lately?
>
> I'm a little curious about prices and availability of the parts. (bearings,
> seals, clutches, etc.)
>
> Any special tools required to set it up correctly on reassembly?
>
> Words of wisdom/advise/trick tips/etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Delanty (sdelanty sonic.net)
>
> 1971 F100 shortbox, FE390, T-18 4-speed
I generally pay a good shop to do this because they can set the lash and
preload the crush sleeve better than I.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:25:43 -0500
From: Daver
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Andy Aydelott wrote:
>
> Was wondering if anyone out there in Ford Truck land has an opinion on headers vs stock
> exhaust manifolds? I have a 1967 Ford F250 4x4 stripped down to the frame and am
> getting ready to put a 390 back in it and I am trying to decide if to go with headers or
> stock manifods. It has a Ford 4-barrel manifold with a 600 Holley, other wise pretty
> much stock. Also, does anyone know of a stock OEM Ford headers that might be available
> for the 390?
>
> Thanks for any info??
>
> Andy Aydelott
> 1967 F250 4x4
> 1972 F100

I run headers in my 67 with 406 (soon to stalk the streetts again) and I
prefer them; but I am doing a bit more with mine than you are probably
planing for yours.

The 67 with FE and headers has a full engine compartment. There is only
an inch between the inside fenders and the header tubs, this is not a
problem for me as the Beast has a tilt front cap and no inside fenders.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:31:54 -0700
From: "The Zahn's"
To: "FORD TRUCK MESSAGE To:"
Subject: Happy 4th of July All
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Just wanted to thank all of you that responded to by question about front
wheel bearings. I got a lot of responses and learned a lot about these
bearings. hope everyone has a happy 4th of july. I will be out of town at
my family renunion.
Fred Z.

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 07:32:37 -0700
From: Gerald & Lisa
To: fordtrucks ....


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