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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 133

Today's Topics:

Re: ADMIN: I'm back [Kevin Lindstedt
Low oil pressure [Kevin Lindstedt
Low oil pressure [Kevin Lindstedt
Re: ADMIN: I'm back ["Britt" ]
Re: Low oil pressure [John Macnamara ]
Re: Low oil pressure [Chris James ]
re: Low Oil Pressure [Kevin Lindstedt
Re: disc brake swap info [Don Grossman ]
F-100 Gas Tanks [Peter Bondra ]
Re: Low oil pressure [Flipper ]
Re: Low oil pressure [JAMES ]
VIN [billjhs ]
Re: Low oil pressure [Steve & Rockette
Fwd: [JEEP-L:46800] Virgin Off-Road ["B.A.Dickinson"
Re: '58 F100 needs rebuild ["The Zahns"
Id the truck [Randy Bundy ]
Alternative gas tanks [Ken Payne ]
Vacuum Advance ["Wade Keller"

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 14:10:16 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
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CONGRATULATIONS! Somebody to work on your truck with you. :-) (In a few
years of course)


At 12:22 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Its a boy! Born 6-6-97 at 3:27 am. 8lbs, 5.9 ozs, 18.5 inches
>long - Edward Frank Payne. Beatles "Birthday" was playing on
>the radio when he came into the world! Thanks to everyone who
>sent congrats in advance, sorry I couldn't send a personal
>response. Wish I could send everyone a cigar - 700 of them would
>be too expensive though!
>
>There were/are a couple of others here who are/were expecting.
>Let me/us know the news. I hope no one feels these kind of
>posts are inappropriate . I'm looking into setting up an
>"announce" only mailing address for admin and personal user stuff.
>
>-Ken
>1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
>List Maintainer, send comments or suggestions to: kpayne mindspring.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:51:02 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
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At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
boost oil pressure?

Kevin
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 14:32:00 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
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At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
boost oil pressure?

Kevin
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:33:42
From: "Britt"
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Congratulations to you and you're family, Ken! Touch of class with
the choice of music too!!

Now you gotta get him a cute little FORD outfit to start him off
right....

Thanks for all the work you've put in making the list the success it
is.

Page & Lynda Britt
1973 Ford F100 Ranger XLT 390FE
1970 Ford Country Sedan 351W
1987 Suzuki Samurai 1.3 L


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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:38:47 -0700
From: John Macnamara
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Kevin Lindstedt wrote:
>
> At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
> pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
> gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
> H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
> engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
> idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
> indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
> boost oil pressure?
>
> Kevin
> 1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6
>
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Kevin: If your guage is really reading low oil pressure then it
indicates your bearings are worn allowing more oil to flow thus reducing
the pressure as read on your gauge.

Obviously replacing the bearings will boost your oil pressure but at
126,000, I wouldn't think it needed rebuilding just yet. If your not
using alot of oil, then I would just keep driving and wait till you can
afford to rebuild.

Thanks
John

78 F250 Supercab 4X4
67 GT500
66 Corvette 427

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:40:35 -0700
From: Chris James
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Kevin Lindstedt wrote:
>
> At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
> pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
> gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
> H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
> engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
> idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
> indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
> boost oil pressure?
>
> Kevin
> 1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6
>
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Just went through that with my 351m. All the bearings were shot in the
bottom end. A heavier oil will work for a little while but a rebuild is
in order will be in order.


Chris

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 15:43:49 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
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At 01:53 PM 6/6/97, you wrote:
>
>> At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for
>> low oil pressure? In the meantime, what can
>> I do to boost oil pressure?
>>
>> Kevin
>> 1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6
>
>The first thing I'd suggest is checking the oil pressure with a good
>mechanical type gauge, temporarily remove the stock (electrical) oil
>pressure sender and install the fitting for the mechanical gauge, hook up
>the line, start the engine and (carefully) crack the b-nut at the gauge
>open just enough to bleed the air out of the line, re-tighten. Now you
>can get a good idea of your actual oil pressure. By observation you can
>correlate these readings to what your stock gauge is showing you.
>
>If it is really on the low side your clearances probably have loosened
>up to the point that it's beginning to indicate an imminent
>overhaul...but as long as you have proper oil flow, 10 psi per 1000 rpm is
quite
>adequate to maintain good lubrication.
>
>What viscosity oil are using?
>
>Page Britt
>1973 Ford F100 Ranger XLT 390FE
>1970 Ford Country Sedan 351W
>1987 Suzuki Samurai 1.3 L
>
>
>
I'm presently using 10W40 year-round. Who makes a good, i.e. accurate, gauge?

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 14:42:56 +0000
From: Don Grossman
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Rick Larson wrote:
>
> The Ford truck owner requesting info on front disc swaps,
> please contact me. I've been saving some posts on disc
> brake swaps and can forward them to you. I think our list
> Mom Ken did a great job describing the swap.
>
> rick
> '66 Mustang coupe (Granada front disc brake swap)
> '71 F100 (4 wheel drums)
> --
> Rick Larson rick adc.com
> Minneapolis


Here is the spot for the disk brake conversion. This page is talking
about the Bronco but a Ford 1/2 ton with a Dana 44 will be the
same. I do not know if this will work on the closed knuckle 44 or not
but the spindles are a direct swap on the knuckles. You would also be
better off installing studs on the knuckles and getting rid of the
bolts. If the bolts pull out you will be in a serious mess.

A DO NOT

It is possible to put a spindle from an open knuckle on a closed knuckle
but not the other way around. The backs of the closed knuckle spindles
are not machined for the axle seals that an open knuckle system
requires.

www.verinet.com/~handy/discconv.html
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:46:08 -0700
From: Peter Bondra
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Subject: F-100 Gas Tanks
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I own a 55 panel and would like to buy a plastic gas tank. The only
company I know of, Tanks, Inc. of Minnesota, doesn't make a Panel gas
tank.
I believe the pickup tank mounts under the running board. The panel
tank mounts inside of the frame rail, by the driveshaft.
Can I mount easily a pickup style tank under the running board?
If I had a tank here, it would be easy to just look at it; however, I
only have 2 panel tanks, so this doesn't help.
Does anyone know of another source of plastic gas tanks that makes a
panel version?
I don't need a plastic tank; I just thought it might be easier to buy
one than clean up my existing tank(s).
Thanks, Paul

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:02:19 -0700
From: Flipper
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Kevin Lindstedt wrote:
>
> At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
> pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
> gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
> H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
> engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
> idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
> indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
> boost oil pressure?
>
> Kevin
> 1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6
>
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I recently completely rebuilt a 460, and after a break-in period of 500
miles, the oil pressure dropped to 10 lbs at idle. I then decided to
pull the oil pan and install a high volume pump. The oil pressure now
stays between 60&80 at all engine temps and speeds.

Matt
79 F-350 4X4 460

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 21:12:41 -0500
From: JAMES
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StartKevin Lindstedt wrote:

> At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
> pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, ..

Are your valves/lifters noisey?Start with the oil pressure
gauge.Is it mechanical or electric?Pressure relief valve sticking?Is the
oil changed regularly,
correct viscosity?I've had good luck with 10W40,280k on V6 Ranger.125k
is a little young for a Ford.Hope it's minor in nature but check it out
.Hate to see a good engine die young.Good luck! JAMES 87 V6 2.9
Ranger LB
-- 96
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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 09:56:33 -0400
From: billjhs
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Hello everyone, and thanks for all the responses to my VIN question on
the Ford pickup. I have another question for all, What rearend would fit
in a 1949 Ford F-3 ? I just purchased a Canadian built F-3 and know that
the rearend gearing will be disasterous on the highway. I don't have
access to alot of welding equipment, so a good late model rear without
mods would be great. Thanks again BILL billjhs excaliber.com

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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
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At 02:32 PM 6/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>At the risk of sounding quite stupid, what are the causes for low oil
>pressure? I have a 1978 F150 with a 460, 126,000 miles. The factory
>gauges are only marginally better than an idiot light - L(ow) on one side,
>H(igh) on the other end and a wide expanse of N O R M A L . With the
>engine cold, I get pressure up to about N-1/2. After highway driving (at
>idle) the pressure drops to the high side of L(ow). I suspect this is an
>indication of an impending rebuild... In the meantime, what can I do to
>boost oil pressure?


Try replacing the oil pump, I had a similar problem with my '57,
$35 is easier to spend than $1000.
Dont go for a high volume pump until after you rebuilt....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 10:27:31
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I thought you guys might be interested in this post from the Jeep-L list
seeing as how it pertains to Fords and Off-Road too.

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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:43:20 -0700
From: "The Zahns"
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I looked in my PAW (Performance Automotive Wherehouse) Catalog and
couldn't find a 223 engine rebuild kit. They did have 144, 170, 200, 240,
250, 300 + + +. However I have done business with them and I find them to
be very knowledgeable, helpful and they stand behind what they sell. Good
Luck Spowel4.
Fred Z

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> From: spowel4 ibm.net
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> Subject: '58 F100 needs rebuild
> Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 8:47 AM
>
> Hello everyone. I have a 1958 F100 with a 223 inline 6 cylinder engine,
> and I think it needs a rebuild (it only has 30 lbs compression and no
> power). My problem is I can't find any rebuild kits for that engine.
> Does anyone know of a reliable source?
>
> --
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:25:03 -0600
From: Randy Bundy
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I have a customer that has a FORD F1 Truck that she wants to identify =
the information she supplied is Engin NO. 87HC 22082 SIRES F1 MOD6 WBC =
4700 lbs V8 90 At 3500 RPM. She has the whole truck and says it's in =
good shape. She needs to know what it is and what it's worth.
If anyone could help I'd appreciate it.
Thanks =20

Randy Bundy
Canndu Computers

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 00:14:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Alternative gas tanks
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First, thanks to everyone for the congratulatory emails/postings.

This may have been covered already as I haven't had a chance to
go through all the postings from the last 4 days.

I talked to a couple of the local hot-rodders today and have been
told that Isuzu Trooper gas tanks work really well with F100 trucks
if you're looking to move the tank out from behind the seat to inside
the frame rails. I was a little sketical about this but then I
found a reference to in a magazine (they did the conversion on a 66
F100 so it should work at least through 72). Don't recall which
magazine - just thumbing through it at the grocery store. I'm going
to do some measuring and then take a look at Trooper gas tanks to
see how easy it is. It sure would be nice to get that extra cab
storage space and also to get the 19 gallon firebomb further than
4 inches away from me.

-Ken
1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:14:06 -0500
From: "Wade Keller"
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I recently purchased a 1978 Ford Ranger with a rebuilt 302 engine and....


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