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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 131

Today's Topics:

Re: ADMIN: Will be out of touch for ["Wagger" ]
Re: Getting a new exhaust system - G [Mark Tanner ]
'52 paint code [John Strauss
Re: 52 color code [JRFiero aol.com ]
4x4 suspension [Don Grossman ]
FE oiling [DC Beatty
RE: ADMIN: Will be out of touch for [DC Beatty
RE: FE oiling [mcat epix.net ]
Shortening Steering Column ["Jesse Marcellus"
Re: FE oiling [John Macnamara ]
RE: 4x4 suspension [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: 4x4 suspension Reply ["Wagger" ]
Re: Shortening Steering Column Reply ["Wagger" ]
Re: Re: 390 question ["Britt" ]
VIN [billjhs ]
Radiator Rust ["The Zahns"
Re: VIN [petunia indy.net ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:22:09 -0600
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Best of luck to the Mrs. and you ken. Maybe someone will send you a FORD
receiving blanket, of how about a Ford truck mobile for over the crib. Have
fun
Charlie Sr.

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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: ADMIN: Will be out of touch for a few days
> Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 8:34 PM
>
> On Thursday my wife is going to have labor induced so I will
> be out of touch Thursday, Friday and Saturday morning. Don't
> expect personal email replies, advertisements or truck pics
> on the site during that time. As everyone has seen, occasionally
> an unsubscribe request slips through the cracks and gets on
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> requests to charlie lofcom.com (as a last resort as Charlie is
> very busy with all the lists he oversees) I would really appreciate
> it.
>
> Tomorrow and Wednesday they are going to give my wife medication
> to prepare her for labor. There is a slight chance the medication
> could set off labor before Thursday so if I'm suddenly not
> available tomorrow or Wednesday don't be surprized.
>
> Thanks!
> Ken
>
> -Ken
> 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:46:00 +0000
From: Mark Tanner
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Subject: Re: Getting a new exhaust system - Got it
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Thanks for all the replies on exhaust systems. I got it done
yesterday and am very pleased. JRFiero's comment about the
sound being different on either side convinced me to have one
pipe run back over to the left. There is a big cavity on the
right side right about where the E-brake cables connect to the
single cable. The mufflers tucked up in there nicely. And the
sound? Oh man! Very quiet cruising on the highway but when you
get on it, very nice.

Mark
'74 F-250 Supercab
--
Mark Tanner mtanner pacifier.com Washougal, WA

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:02:55 -0500
From: John Strauss
To: Ford Trucks List
Subject: '52 paint code
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>I have a color code of "22" on my 52 F-1 name plate on the firewall. Does
>anyone happen to know what color this is?
>
The codes I show for '52 are all letters. The closest thing is "SS" for
special paint - could this be what you have? All the other letters are
single (ex. - 'A' = Black).

John

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 52 color code
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In a message dated 97-06-01 20:21:04 EDT, you write:


I have a color code of "22" on my 52 F-1 name plate on the firewall. Does
anyone happen to know what color this is?
>>
My book show no numeric color codes for 52. However, there is an SS, which is
Special Paint. I'm also curious about a plate with the color code being on
the firewall. It should be in the glovebox, on the inside of the door. The
patent plate on the firewall sometimes has the VIN, but I never heard of the
production plate being on the firewall.

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 15:27:28 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: Ford list
Subject: 4x4 suspension
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The time has come for me to modify my suspension on my 63 and I just
can't make up my mind on what to do. Stick with the leafsprings or
convert to coil springs.

Here's what I am going after in my suspension upgrades.

My main goals are to run 35" tires comfortably, have 8 to 10 inches (12
if I can get there) of suspension travel in the front and maintain the
load capacity. Be able to go to work (so I can pay for parts), blast
down local dirt roads and crawl over tree stumps and rocks.

For the rear I just plan on replacing the springs and hangers with newer
units. Simple enough.

The front is where I have the problem. Right now I have about 4-6
inches of travel on a set of custom springs and a power steering
conversion that has an incureable bumpsteer.

Option 1

I would do a shackle relocation and build in a certin amount of lift so
that I could use new springs with as little arch in the static on-road
driving position and would give about 5 inches of down travel and about
3 inches of up travel. I would rather have the droop then the
stuffability. This would require all custom spring mounts and shackles
and a crossover steering job.

Option 2

I would replace the leaf with a coil spring system from an F-150 I have
an entire chassis that I have for parts. (I thought about doing a cab
swap but I don't feel like moving the engine all at the same time). I
can take the steering box and linkage with the suspension and lower the
coil tower if need be. I could use aftermarket lift parts( coils,
c-bushings and such) for adjusting the suspension.


If anyone has any thoughts about coil vs. leaf suspensions or
preferences please jump in. If you have any cool other ideas let me
know. I am not really up to designing a four link system, that would be
a little too much effort.

TIA


--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: 03 Jun 97 22:22:45 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'FORD TRUCKS'"
Subject: FE oiling
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Can someone tell me how oil gets to the lifters in an FE? My guess is that it
runs down through the drainback holes in the heads and into the lifter gallery.
Is this the case?

My lifters are making noise and my drainback holes are plugged up and I am
hoping the two are related.

Thanks,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: 03 Jun 97 22:29:44 EDT
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Good Luck Ken ( and, of course, your wife)!!!!! Hope everything goes okay.

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On Thursday my wife is going to have labor induced so I will
be out of touch Thursday, Friday and Saturday morning. Don't
expect personal email replies, advertisements or truck pics
on the site during that time. As everyone has seen, occasionally
an unsubscribe request slips through the cracks and gets on
the list. If someone could volunteer to either email them
unsubscribe instructions (the FAQ on the website has been updated
with correct unsubscribe instructions) or tell them to send their
requests to charlie lofcom.com (as a last resort as Charlie is
very busy with all the lists he oversees) I would really appreciate
it.

Tomorrow and Wednesday they are going to give my wife medication
to prepare her for labor. There is a slight chance the medication
could set off labor before Thursday so if I'm suddenly not
available tomorrow or Wednesday don't be surprized.

Thanks!
Ken

-Ken
1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 22:45:20 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
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First of all what is the motor? If its a 360-390 the oil goes up into
the cam and up into the heads.The cam also feeds the lifter passages. You
may have pluged lifters or the cam brgs could be blocked. If the motor has
high milage or doesnt get warm enough you will get sluge build up.This
sounds like what your problem might be.
Garry
--- On 03 Jun 97 22:22:45 EDT DC Beatty
wrote:

>Can someone tell me how oil gets to the lifters in an FE? My guess is
that it
>runs down through the drainback holes in the heads and into the lifter
gallery.
>Is this the case?
>
>My lifters are making noise and my drainback holes are plugged up and I
am
>hoping the two are related.
>
>Thanks,
>
>DC Beatty
>1967 F-100 352
>1974 Maverick 302
>
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Date: 6/3/97 Time: 10:45:21 PM

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 03:24:07 UT
From: "Jesse Marcellus"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Shortening Steering Column
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I've got a 66 F100 and would also like a little more cab room. Is it possible
to shorten the steering column by a couple of inches? If so, what if any
problems can I anticipate?

Thanks, Kristen

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 05:59:11 -0700
From: John Macnamara
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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me how oil gets to the lifters in an FE? My guess is that it
> runs down through the drainback holes in the heads and into the lifter gallery.
> Is this the case?
>
> My lifters are making noise and my drainback holes are plugged up and I am
> hoping the two are related.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
>
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DC: At the risk of sounding stupid, is it possible that you have solid
lifters in your motor. Because if you did, then the oil passages would
be blocked or non existant. Early 352 motors ran solid lifters and
since you didn't mention whether it was the original engine.

Just a thought!

John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette 427

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:46:48 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
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Subject: RE: 4x4 suspension
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you're not asking for much! ;)
either front system will do what you want. ther is alot of aftermarket =
support for both methods. it's commonly thought that the coils are =
better, but leaves can work well, especially if you carry heavy loads. =
i assume you have 5 lug wheels, if not the f150 axle can be changed to 8 =
lug using f250 parts.

it is probably easier to get the droop you want from coils, but i have =
seen a method of getting so much droop from leaf springs, that the =
limiting factor becomes drive shaft length and steering connection. =
this method is more for rock crawlers, but you asked for movement that =
rock crawlers use. if you are interested email me directly and i'll try =
to draw up some kind of general sketch. it requires as much fabrication =
as changing to coils though.

my vote for easiest: quality leaf springs.
my vote for best: coil springs. (don't forget the dropped radius =
arm brackets!)
my vote for "if you got the time and energy": f150 coil front w. dana =
60 and rear coil springs with radius arms from an old (year unknown) =
chevy (ouch!) truck. i've seen these in scrap yards and one grafted =
onto a ford and it worked sweet on a daily driver/rock crawler.

hope this helps some.
sleddog



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From: Don Grossman[SMTP:duckdon pacific.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 11:27 AM
To: Ford list
Subject: 4x4 suspension


My main goals are to run 35" tires comfortably, have 8 to 10 inches (12
if I can get there) of suspension travel in the front and maintain the
load capacity. Be able to go to work (so I can pay for parts), blast
down local dirt roads and crawl over tree stumps and rocks.

The front is where I have the problem. Right now I have about 4-6
inches of travel on a set of custom springs and a power steering
conversion that has an incureable bumpsteer. =20

Option 1

I would do a shackle relocation and build in a certin amount of lift so
that I could use new springs with as little arch in the static on-road
driving position and would give about 5 inches of down travel and about
3 inches of up travel. I would rather have the droop then the
stuffability. This would require all custom spring mounts and shackles
and a crossover steering job.

Option 2

I would replace the leaf with a coil spring system from an F-150 I have
an entire chassis that I have for parts. (I thought about doing a cab
swap but I don't feel like moving the engine all at the same time). I
can take the steering box and linkage with the suspension and lower the
coil tower if need be. I could use aftermarket lift parts( coils,
c-bushings and such) for adjusting the suspension.


If anyone has any thoughts about coil vs. leaf suspensions or
preferences please jump in. If you have any cool other ideas let me
know. I am not really up to designing a four link system, that would be
a little too much effort.

TIA


--=20
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4


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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:09:21 -0600
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Hi Don,
While I've owned only 1 ford truck, I've owned 12 4x4s with all kinds of
suspensions. For the kind of articulation you're looking for I would keep
the leaf spring setup. Spring tech. has come a long way in the last 10
years or so. My son has a 64 so I know your clearance problems. There are a
few ways to get the lift you will need to get that 8-10" of travel you
want. A set of softride springs will give you an honest 5-6".
(realistically). Poss. a spring over conv, if not already done at the
fact., will give you another 3-4". Then a mild body lift 1-3". That should
give you the desired lift. Now the downside. My last modified ride was a
1979 toy with ford 1 ton springs and 35" Mud Terrains, Rs 5000 shocks, and
all Jeep running gear. It was a head turner but at a price. You will always
be changing U-joints, because you changed the driveshaft angle. By lifting
the truck, you have effectivley changed the steering geomotrey. and may
have to purchase (or fabricate) a dropped pittman arm. After all this I
would say, install the new springpacs, and possibly go with a 33.12.5 tire.
In the real world, 8-10" of travel would prob. tweek your frame, and 5-6"
is plenty. Better to look good wheelin in the mud that look great sittin
on the side of the road. I've had it with overlifted vehicles, and would
rather have one that works. Any questions you can E-mail me at
tanya Tx3.com
Good Luck
Charlie Sr.

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> From: Don Grossman
> To: Ford list
> Subject: 4x4 suspension
> Date: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 9:27 AM
>
> The time has come for me to modify my suspension on my 63 and I just
> can't make up my mind on what to do. Stick with the leafsprings or
> convert to coil springs.
>
> Here's what I am going after in my suspension upgrades.
>
> My main goals are to run 35" tires comfortably, have 8 to 10 inches (12
> if I can get there) of suspension travel in the front and maintain the
> load capacity. Be able to go to work (so I can pay for parts), blast
> down local dirt roads and crawl over tree stumps and rocks.
>
> For the rear I just plan on replacing the springs and hangers with newer
> units. Simple enough.
>
> The front is where I have the problem. Right now I have about 4-6
> inches of travel on a set of custom springs and a power steering
> conversion that has an incureable bumpsteer.
>
> Option 1
>
> I would do a shackle relocation and build in a certin amount of lift so
> that I could use new springs with as little arch in the static on-road
> driving position and would give about 5 inches of down travel and about
> 3 inches of up travel. I would rather have the droop then the
> stuffability. This would require all custom spring mounts and shackles
> and a crossover steering job.
>
> Option 2
>
> I would replace the leaf with a coil spring system from an F-150 I have
> an entire chassis that I have for parts. (I thought about doing a cab
> swap but I don't feel like moving the engine all at the same time). I
> can take the steering box and linkage with the suspension and lower the
> coil tower if need be. I could use aftermarket lift parts( coils,
> c-bushings and such) for adjusting the suspension.
>
>
> If anyone has any thoughts about coil vs. leaf suspensions or
> preferences please jump in. If you have any cool other ideas let me
> know. I am not really up to designing a four link system, that would be
> a little too much effort.
>
> TIA
>
>
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
> It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......
>
> 65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
> 63 Ford F-250 4x4
>
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:14:29 -0600
From: "Wagger"
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Hi,
If you have a stock wheel you might consider going to a flatter profile
wheel that has a slightly smaller diameter, it worked for us.
Good Luck,
Charlie Sr.

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> From: Jesse Marcellus
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Shortening Steering Column
> Date: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 9:24 PM
>
> I've got a 66 F100 and would also like a little more cab room. Is it
possible
> to shorten the steering column by a couple of inches? If so, what if any

> problems can I anticipate?
>
> Thanks, Kristen
>
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 13:00:13
From: "Britt"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Re: 390 question
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> I run Marvel Mystery Oil, not as a lead substitute but because
> it keeps the carb clean (I can testify to this) and is supposed
> to
> be a good top end lube (don't know about this one). My valve
> train has 290,000+ miles on it.
>
> -Ken Payne
> 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8

I agree, 'tis good stuff! It does keep the carb. clean and it is an
excellent upper cylinder lubricant. Marvel Mystery Oil automatic feed
systems were used (factory installed) on Waukesha stationary compression
ignition natural gas fueled engines in pumping stations for upper
cylinder lubrication.

The fact that it leaves a lubricating residue rather than just carbon
after undergoing the combustion process enables it to effectively
lubricate and preserve the life of exhaust valve seats. My 351W equipped '70
wagon has 288,000 miles with no valve job...

--Page Britt
1973 Ford F100 Ranger XLT 390 FE
1970 Ford Country Sedan Wagon 351W
1987 Suzuki Samurai 1.3L

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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 17:48:58 -0400
From: billjhs
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: VIN
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Does anybody know the laws in the US concerning vehicles without VIN
plates on the firewall, I am looking at a 1949 Ford with no VIN plate on
the thing. If anybody has any ideas please e-mail me. Thanks
BILL
billjhs excaliber.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:53:02 -0700
From: "The Zahns"
To: "FORD TRUCK MESSAGE To:"
Subject: Radiator Rust
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Hello All,
I dropped off my radiator at the shop because of a leak in the lower tank
seal and was told that it was all clogged up. I could see stuff in several
of the tubes. Because this same radiator was rodded out 15 months ago I
was surprised as to how fast it got clogged up. Phil at the shop told me
that Ford blocks develop a lot of rust. What I need to know is if anyone
can tell me what kind of rust inhibitor I can mix with the antifreeze or
anything else I can do to slow down the formation of rust inside my engine
block?
I hope that this doesn't turn into another MMO debate. But even in those
I pick up a thing or two that helps me to understand what direction I lean
towards trying. Thanks everyone for what you are about to tell me/us.

Fred Zahn
1970 F350 utility (429)
1989 E350 Club (460)

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:23:50 +0000
From: petunia indy.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: VIN
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Hey Bill,

> Does anybody know the laws in the US concerning vehicles without VIN
> plates on the firewall, I am looking at a 1949 Ford with no VIN plate on
> the thing. If anybody has any ideas please e-mail me. Thanks....


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