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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 121

Today's Topics:

Overheating!?? ["Alexander M. Siu"
Re: R/R Engine on Bronco [Kevin Lindstedt
Accounting [Ken Payne ]
Re: Scanner [Ken Payne ]
Re: Scanner [John Macnamara ]
Re: Scanner ["Jim" ]
Re: Scanner [silent.bob juno.com ]
351 and mpg ["Chad Pasma" ]
Re: tuneup ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: Scanner [Karl Cunningham ]
RE: "Loose" Steering - 1966 Ford F-1 [Keith Srb ]
RE: Vapor Locking, Overheating [Keith Srb ]
Re: Scanner [Mike Schwall ]
Re: Vapor Locking, Overheating [Swell61 aol.com ]
460 swap ["Jon & Cindy Johnson"
Re: Handling ["RICH ANZALONE"
Re: Scanner [LanceWaldn aol.com ]
flathead oil bath filter [Jeff Hazewinkel
Re: 460 swap ["Jason K. Schechner" ]

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 02:06:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Alexander M. Siu"
To: Ford List
Cc: herbie netvalue.net
Subject: Overheating!??
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Keith:

It sounds like you truck is overheading.?!
Have you check your fan clutch? Is there one there if not what kind of
fan do you have? Is the fan and fan clutch functioning properly?

If you do have a fan clutch, check the following:
First, when the engine is dead cold, can you trun the fan blade? you
should be able to trun it without much force.

Second, when the engine is hot, 200+ degree, turn the engine off and turn
the blades? You should either not able to turn it or there is a lot of
resistence.

If either of this does not pass, you will need to replace the clutch and
try again.

Let me know more detail.



-=ALEX Siu=-

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:45:24 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: R/R Engine on Bronco
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At 02:01 AM 5/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Let me look at my Ford Motor sport catalog....
>
>I don't see any computer calb. for 460. That's not necessary a bad thing.
>As far as I can tell, the F250, F350 and FSuperduty have an injected 460,
>I do believe it is a TBI. If that is the case, you may be in luck, just
>take the whole package from a say F250 the Engine, wires, and computer and
>dump it into your truck. Thre is one problem, your suspension may not be
>able to support the added weight. That's why they never put a 460 in a
>F150/bronco.

They didn't? I guess I better get the one out from underneath the hood of
my F150. :-)

Kevin


>
>I don't know how flexible your budget is. I would just change it over to
>a 351 because, all you would have to do there is to change the ROM chip in
>the computer. You will keep your old wires and computer. Ford Motor
>sport catalog have a listing for the computer and chip... you can get it
>from there.
>
>As far as locating an engine, it should be fairly easy. I would call say
>Jasper, or Recon for the whole engine. They usually have all these things
>instock. You can get the engine from the engine place, and get everyting
>else from a junk yard or the dealer, depending on your budget. Hell,
>getting the engine from a quality junk yard is also a good idea. Some
>junkyard will tell you howmany miles the engine has.
>
>Good luck, let me know how it would go.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:16:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com, fordtrucks80up lofcom.com
Subject: Accounting
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I had promised to post a full accounting of our expenses and the
amount of contributions sent in on the 15th. Quite honestly
it slipped my mind. Just received another contribution yesterday
which reminded me. I will post a full "treasurers (my wife)"
report within 48 hours.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:26:14 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com, fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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At 01:00 AM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

From: LanceWaldn aol.com
>Ken,
>Before your system change and crash I asked you if you had a scanner so that
>I could send a picture of my bright yellow '56 F-100 custom flatbed.
>You said that you would get back to me.
>If you don't have a scanner, post this message and mabe someone out there has
>a scanner that I can send a pictire of my truck via snail mail.
>I'd love to see my truck in your collection and I think the readers of this
>list might be interested in what is going on with the truck scene in Southern
>California.
>Lance
>

If anyone could volunteer scanning services it would be greatly appreciated.
I've had at least 4 people ask this in the past week. If you can help please
post the information to the list letting us know where to send pictures.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:40:33 -0700
From: John Macnamara
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 01:00 AM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> From: LanceWaldn aol.com
> >Ken,
> >Before your system change and crash I asked you if you had a scanner so that
> >I could send a picture of my bright yellow '56 F-100 custom flatbed.
> >You said that you would get back to me.
> >If you don't have a scanner, post this message and mabe someone out there has
> >a scanner that I can send a pictire of my truck via snail mail.
> >I'd love to see my truck in your collection and I think the readers of this
> >list might be interested in what is going on with the truck scene in Southern
> >California.
> >Lance
> >
>
> If anyone could volunteer scanning services it would be greatly appreciated.
> I've had at least 4 people ask this in the past week. If you can help please
> post the information to the list letting us know where to send pictures.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Payne
> 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
> List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
> Visit the Ford Truck Enthusiast List Web Page (unsubscribe
> form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Ken & Lance: I have a nice scanner in my office that I could scan your
pictures with. Just email me at JohnMcn micom.com.

Thanks! John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette 427

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 06:54:54 -0700
From: "Jim"
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I have an HP 4P scanner, I would be more than happy to scan
your Picture, any time you want. I live in Rancho Cucamonga,
I can scan other pictures also if you like. Save them to a
disk, and you'd have them right then! Let me know, I send
you my address, a map if you want to stop by! not that far
from O.C.! Any one else in the So. Cal. area drop me a line!
It would be my pleasure!

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> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks80up lofcom.com; fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: Scanner
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 6:26 AM
>
> At 01:00 AM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> From: LanceWaldn aol.com
> >Ken,
> >Before your system change and crash I asked you if you
had a scanner so that
> >I could send a picture of my bright yellow '56 F-100
custom flatbed.
> >You said that you would get back to me.
> >If you don't have a scanner, post this message and mabe
someone out there has
> >a scanner that I can send a pictire of my truck via snail
mail.
> >I'd love to see my truck in your collection and I think
the readers of this
> >list might be interested in what is going on with the
truck scene in Southern
> >California.
> >Lance
> >
>
> If anyone could volunteer scanning services it would be
greatly appreciated.
> I've had at least 4 people ask this in the past week. If
you can help please
> post the information to the list letting us know where to
send pictures.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Payne
> 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
> List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
> Visit the Ford Truck Enthusiast List Web Page (unsubscribe
> form is there):
http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:00:26 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Cc: kpayne mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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On Tue, 20 May 1997 09:26:14 -0400 Ken Payne
writes:

>If anyone could volunteer scanning services it would be greatly
>appreciated.
>I've had at least 4 people ask this in the past week. If you can help
>please
>post the information to the list letting us know where to send
>pictures.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Payne
>1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
>List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
>Visit the Ford Truck Enthusiast List Web Page (unsubscribe
>form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com

Hello Ken,

I have a HP ScanJet IIcx 14.5" X 9.5" Flatbed color scanner, and would
more then happy to scan photos for the list.

Just mail them off to: The Birdwell Company
3708 Greenhouse Rd.
Houston, Texas 77084
attn: Robert Inman

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:19:11 PDT
From: "Chad Pasma"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 351 and mpg
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I have a 351M now and I realize it would take a bit of $$ to make some
power with it. Can any 351W be built for power or do I need to start with
a 4 bbl as opposed to a 2 bbl?
Can it bolt straight up to the C6 that's behind the M right now or do I need
to swap the bell housing or get a whole new tranny?

Also, can I run a dual fuel with a 4 bbl carb? (gas and propane) I
wouldn't mind the propane for fuel economy and the gas is there
for power when I want it.

Thanks.


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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:54:11 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: tuneup
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Hi Jim:

At 12:55 PM 5/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>James A. Doty,
>
> You also might want to check the vacuum 'motor' that controls the
>flapper door on the air cleaner to be sure that it can hold a vacuum.

I ran the recommended tests in my Haynes manual and the vacuum motor for the
flapper checked out fine, but I will try your test just to be sure.

> Like wise, you should check out the vacuum advance can on the distributor
>to be sure that it can hold a vacuum (and advance the timing under cruise
>condictions to increase your mpg.

Good idea. I ran out of time last weekend to check the vacuum advance
completely.
I did get a chance to try to advance the timing myself by sucking on the
vacuum
line leading to the distributor. It wasn't leaking and did rotate a few
degrees.
I don't know how far it should move or how easily but it does move.

Thanks for the added advise.
======================
James A. Doty
NT Administrator
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
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Vancouver, WA 98684
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:26:28 -0700
From: Karl Cunningham
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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Another $.02 --

For anyone that wants to do it themselves, Kinkos (at least in So.
California) rents time on computers with HP flatbed scanners for 20 cents
per minute, no minimum. Just bring your own diskettes. I used one for a
project recently, and it worked great.



Karl Cunningham
karlc cnsii.com
1960 F250 factory 4x4

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:26:33 -0700
From: Keith Srb
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: "Loose" Steering - 1966 Ford F-100
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Forgot to mention, there is no more adjustment left on the steering box.
Also forgot to mention that I have been driving this truck since 1976,
when I turned 16. The steering has always been that loose!

>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD!"


-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan Vos [SMTP:forward istar.ca]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 3:49 PM
To: 'fordtrucks lofcom.com'
Subject: RE: "Loose" Steering - 1966 Ford F-100

There should be some kind of adjustment on the top of the steering box.
Loosen the lock nut and turn in the screw. If you go too far, the steering
will get tight.

Could also bee the bushings worn out in the box. Then it's time to rebuild
the box.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Srb [SMTP:herbie netvalue.net]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 5:27 PM
To: 'fordtrucks lofcom.com'
Subject: "Loose" Steering - 1966 Ford F-100

Does anybody have any ideas on how I could tighten up the steering in my
truck. Right now I can turn the steering wheel around 40 degrees before it
will change direction as I am cruising down the road. The last time I had
the front end aligned, the mechanic showed me something interesting. He
grabbed the steering column shaft and turned it back and forth. As he did
this you could see the steering box flex some before it ever started moving
the pitman arm. My truck has 98,000 miles on it.

I would really like to find a way to put power steering on my truck.

>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD!"



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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:37:03 -0700
From: Keith Srb
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: Vapor Locking, Overheating
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Yes it is hot in Arizona, we have had about 5 or 6 days of temp's over 100
degrees already this year, but "it is a dry heat". Today's high - 97
degrees, dew point - 51 degrees.

Fan Clutch?? No such thing on my Pickup. The Stock 4-bladed fan is
semi-ridged, about 16 inches in diameter.

>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
>1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
>My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD!"


-----Original Message-----
From: LanceWaldn aol.com [SMTP:LanceWaldn aol.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 8:42 PM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Vapor Locking, Overheating

They say "Boy it's hot in Arizona."
I'm not sure when you say that you have the "stock 4-blade fan".
Is this the flex fan or the the kind with a fan clutch?
If it's the kind with the clutch, replace the clutch with a heavy duty
clutch
(about $90.00 from Pep Boys).


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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:05:11 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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At 09:26 AM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>If anyone could volunteer scanning services it would be greatly appreciated.
>I've had at least 4 people ask this in the past week. If you can help please
>post the information to the list letting us know where to send pictures.

I could do some scanning. If you want the pictures back, make sure you
provide the postage.

Mike Schwall
726 Prestwick
San Antonio, TX 78223-2468

Need more info, check out my homepage and Ford page (in the sig)

Mike

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:10:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Swell61 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Vapor Locking, Overheating
Message-ID:

I think that you need a heat sheild between the exoust and the in take or
insulate the exoust. on cooling the water you might wont to install electric
fan in frount of your radior. use a thurmaste to turn on the fan at obout 160
deg. The heat is boling the oil in the filte blocking air. You could find a
breather of of an old car and put an air pick up tub for fresh outside air.
does any body agree. Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:56:30 -0400
From: "Jon & Cindy Johnson"
To:
Subject: 460 swap
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I have a 65 F100 Custom Cab with a 460 cu.In. and an automatic from a 1975
Lincoln.I would like to swap out the 460 for something not quite hungry.
What can I put in this truck that will match up with the trany that I
already have? Thanks for any info.Drew Johnson

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:11:51 PDT
From: "RICH ANZALONE"
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Handling
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>From: BillyCIII aol.com
>Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
>To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
>Subject: Re: Handling
>
>Bob,
>
>Have the same problem with my 80 F 150 super cab. Have replaced the entire
>front end except for the king pins and still have the problem. Also replaced
>the steering box to no avail. Only thing I can think of at this point is to
>add sway bars. Would also appreciate any input from the folks out there.
>Bill
>
I had a similar problem with the truck wondering at highway speeds and after
replacing most of the front end and spending lots of money it turned out to be
the tires. They looked in good shape but were a little old and after I replaced
them the truck drove great. just an idea if nothing else works.
_____________________________________________________

Rich Anzalone 75 F100 (390)

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:24:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: LanceWaldn aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Scanner
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Jim,
Sounds like you are right up my alley with the scanner. I live in Fontana and
I can see RC from my house.
Send me info personally at LanceWaldn aol.com and I will come to your house.
Lance
P.S. Since you live in RC, you most likely have seen my truck. It is the
yellow '56 flatbed that is parked in front of the Pier 1 Distribution
warehouse every day as that is where my wife works and she drives it Monday
thru Friday.

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:04:55 -0500
From: Jeff Hazewinkel
To: fordtrucks
Subject: flathead oil bath filter
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I am working on my 53 239 flathead V8 and have discovered several pin....

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