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Return-Path: From: fordtrucks-digest-request Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:04:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: t3.media3.net: lof set sender to fordtrucks-digest-request Subject: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #90 X-Loop: fordtrucks-digest X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/90 To: fordtrucks-digest Reply-To: fordtrucks ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: Re: Amp light in console [JRFiero Re: Truck bed info [JRFiero Re: rear axle ratio,last resort mrth ["D S Morgan" ] Fw: Alignment Tools ["Jim" ] 1965 Ford F-100 Owners Manual [Barry Price MAP woes [Tom ] rings wont seal [Gerald and Lisa Hoel Re: Drivshaft and rear end '39 [Dan Wentz ] Re: Amp light in console [gpierce Vote results - Long and important in [Ken Payne ] Vote info - for newcomers [Ken Payne ] Re: 1965 Ford F-100 Owners Manual [Ken Payne ] Shocks for 94 Ranger [Gardner ] Re: MAP woes [JIM HURD ] Ideal Rig [Rick Waldbart ] Re: Split Fire [LanceWaldn Administrivia: ____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-digest-request Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Amp light in console Message-ID: Could be the things you mention (shorted wiring least likely), but first check the belt tension. Don't mean to be insultingly obvious, but that often reduces maximum charge, and loose belts don't always squeal to let you know. Even if the tension is correct, if could be slipping if its been glazed by previous slippage. Some night when you notice this, turn on all the electrical stuff, spray the belt with belt dressing and see if the light goes out. Watch hours hand, necktie, eyes, etc if you spray the dressing with the engine running. If the belt doesn't help, get a little charging system tester from the parts store - the cheap one with several LEDs and alligator clips works fine. It'll tell you what part of the charging system isn't up to snuff. BTW, I have an occasional glowing charging light condition like yours on my Fiero. The charging system tester says its my alternator, but thats a real pain on a V6 Fiero, so I just ignore it. Been ignoring for over a year, as a matter of fact. If and when this comes back to haunt me, it should only be in the form of a run down battery, so I'm taking my chances. Consider your level of risk acceptance, and keep on truckin'. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Truck bed info Message-ID: In a message dated 97-05-04 09:55:59 EDT, you write: I just got my new issue of Custom Classic Trucks and there is a very informative article on all phases of rebuilding your truck bed. It includes many suppliers, but didn't mention one that I have found to be the best. I have found Todd Murthum Reproductions to be very reasonable, while maintaining top quality. His # is (810) 254 2835 in Michigan. Give this article a good look before any bed work to save time and money. Ken: Keep up the good work. Mail is finally getting to manageable level. Thanks Lee Hardy >> I second the Todd Murthum recommendation. He was at Spring Carlisle with a lot of nice stuff, and has a good little catalog. He even had Mercury tailgates. I bought a correct set of tailgate chains, hooks and rubbers from him for much less than Carpenter or Early Ford wanted. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 11:08:13 -0500 From: "D S Morgan" To: Subject: Re: rear axle ratio,last resort mrthod Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I missed the beginning of the thread but I just joined the list. Would you put the chalk mark on the edge of tire or rim? Scott ---------- > From: sdelanty > To: FORDTRUCKS > Subject: Re: rear axle ratio,last resort mrthod > Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 11:15 PM > > > >if you can't tell your ratio for sure by counting number of driveshaft rev to > >equal one (1) complete turn of your rear wheel,than remove the inspection > >plate on the differential,count the number of teeth on the big gear(ring > >gear) and then count the number of teeth on the pinion gear(smaller gear) and > >divide the larger gears teeth by the smaller gears teeth,and carry over the > >fraction(example) large gear has 37 teeth,small gear has 9 ,your ratio would > >be 4.11 > > > Unless You've got a 9" rear end. Then the inspection plate is a tad > difficult to find.... (remove axles and pumpkin to view the goods.) > > If You are careful, chalk mark and spin the driveshaft method is accurate > enough. > > Happy motoring, > > Steve Delanty (sdelanty > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 09:47:37 -0700 From: "Jim" To: Subject: Fw: Alignment Tools Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This alignment tip was post on the fordnatics list by. Dave Williams. I have received permission by him and Ken Payne to forward it here. He has asked if anyone knows where he can find a tailgate hinge for a 68 Flairside, I have sent him the Ford Truck home page, any other information will be appreciated! Jim Strigas jstrigas "73" Ford F100 (Daily driver. Getting better every day.) "83" Yamaha XJ900RK (Best Gift of my life! From my best friends! RSCL) "86" Honda GoldWing GL1200 (OK, this part goes here, and this... this... I think goes on the truck.) "77" Buick EstateWagon (Beast of Immense Magnitude!) These are "The Good Old Days"! Be Cool Daddy-O B-)> ---------- > From: Dave Williams > To: fordnatics > Subject: FW: Alignment Tools > Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 7:44 AM > > > -> >appreciated. Also, am I going to have to get turntable plates to > -> use this >stuff or can I get by without? BTW, these are going to be > > You must have turntables to get the toe accurately set using the > scribe-a-tire method. Otherwise the rim moves when you adjust things, > the bottom of the tread stays firmly stuck to the floor, and your > careful alignment gets blown away as soon as you drive away. > > I got four 12" squares of 11-ga steel for about $15, sheared to size at > the local metal dealer. After deburring the edges, slop some motor oil > between each pair of plates and you're ready to go. They work just as > good as the fancy commercial turntables, take up far less room, and are > much cheaper. > > Don't lean on the fender when the car is on the plates, or they'll > slide sideways. Embarrassing. > > ====dave.williams 978======= > can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation... > ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT > ==5.0 RX7 -> Tyrannosaurus RX! == SAE '82 == Denizens of Doom M/C '92== > > > | Another Fordnatics post -- Author retains copyright -- ask before forwarding | > |Posts: fordnatics fordnatics-request ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 13:00:29 -0700 From: Barry Price To: fordtrucks Subject: 1965 Ford F-100 Owners Manual Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently restoring a 1965 F-100. Does anyone know where I can obtain an owners manual? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 10:19:50 -0700 From: Tom To: fordtrucks Subject: MAP woes Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy all. To start -- I've got a 94 F150 4wd with a 300 EFI I6. I recently went on a day trip from where I live (Victoria, B.C.) to McMinville, Oregon. On the trip, which is the longest I have done at one time ever, I had to tank up on cheap American gas. When it came time to pull onto I5 after tanking up, the check engine light came on. Since I normally look closely at the gages when I drive, I was not overly concerned, since if I did not have the check engine light, I would not know anything was amiss, since it still ran okay and I had oil pressure and the temp was fine. For the rest of the trip, the check engine light came on and went out intermitantly, more on than off. When I got back home, I checked the computer, and it told me that the Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP sensor) was hooped. This would help explain the horrible gas mileage I had gotten, 'cuz that just meant the computer ignored my engine vacum, and used default vacum amounts for mixture and spark timing. I took my rig to a mechanic friend, who took the MAP sensor through its paces. He said there was nothing wrong -- probably the computer somehow got it into its head that there was something amiss when there really wasn't. He reset the computer and told me to go on my merry way -- if the problem recurs, let him know. Incedentaly, I have the hard plastic vacum line going from the manifold to the sensor -- it seems a problem on earlier versions was a colapsing vacum line that cut off vacum to the sensor. So, a couple days after this, it was time to move a friend to Salmon Arm (it's in the rockies, and I live on the coast). I load up my truck and watch the check engine light. It seems as though when I start my truck up from stone cold, after about 45 min of highway driving, the check engine light comes off, and it bitches about the MAP sensor. After which, resetting the computer and anything else I can think of has no effect -- the light turns on and off intermittantly (more on than off) until the next morning when it is stone cold again. Driving on flat land (high vaccum) or WOT for 10 minutes at a time (climbing rockies with a load -- low vaccum) seems to make no difference with the check engine light and the MAP sensor problem. It first occured on American gas, but it continues with Canadian gas. I believe that to be a coincidence. Where I live -- it's just about impossible to drive 45 minutes on a highway, so that's why I haven't noticed the problem 'till now. It is a problem, so it is bothering me and I want to fix it. Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem -- any similar experiences? Apparently, the sensor checks out and passes all of the tests, and the time of driving it takes to initialy become a problem makes diagnosis difficult. Help! ___ TTTTT OO M M The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. |~~~| T O O MM MM T O O M M M Be young, have fun, * T OO M M and drink lots of beer!!! `-' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 13:42:41 -0400 From: Gerald and Lisa Hoel To: FORDTRUCKS Subject: rings wont seal Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, its been awhile since we've been around. Went on a trip to Texas. We want to thank all of you who gave us advice on the Holley carb. We found out that our ignition module went bad which was causing our newly rebuilt 351M to backfire, cut off and all kinds of other crazy stuff. Also picked up an Edelbrock carb as we were tired of troubleshooting the leaky Holley! Anyway, the engine is running all right again except that the #7 cylinder seems to have oil in it. When we first turned her up after install, she leaked on the #7 side out of the head gasket; we hadn't torqued a couple nuts properly (oohps). Could the oil have leaked into the #7 cylinder (and not the others) or are the rings not seating in just that one??? Any advice and help in fixing this prob would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Gerald & Lisa 1977 F-150 Flareside (351M .060 and proud of it!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:42:36 -0700 From: Dan Wentz To: FORDTRUCKS Subject: Re: Drivshaft and rear end '39 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >As an example, my F1 >has nine leaf rear springs with six leaf helpers above them which contact >interesting cast brackets on the frame. Doesn't sound like your basic half >ton to me. I'll say it doesn't! The odd thing is, it doesn't sound like my F1 or other F1's I've seen. I've got (I think) 11 leaves and no helpers. Unfortunately, I'm missing the original production plate >(glovebox door), so I don't know the weight rating or gear ratio. I'll take >the time to figure it out one of these days. Weight rating on my 50 is 4700lbs. Gear ratios available on 48-52 F1's were 3.92 and 4.27. ~Dan 1992 Ford Mustang LX 1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 15:44:55 -0400 From: gpierce To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: Amp light in console Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Ricotta wrote: > > I'm new to the digest so I hope I get this right. > > I recently bought (used from a dealership) a '93 F150 Supercab 4 x 2. So > for I love it. But having never owned a pickup before I am totally > unfamiliar with trucks historical pecadillos. Here's my problem- I > live in Las Vegas and we are coming into the warmer seasons and have > begun using the A/C during the days. During my drive home from work > though I have noticed the amp light in the console comes on. Ok Tony try a few of these.... 1). Check belt tension as mentioned before Possible but unlikely 2). At night ( obviously the best time to see the bulb ) Start with no accessory load just the motor running do you see the light yes or no, Next start loading the system with accessorys one at a time A/C blower on low step to speed and so on to high, then headlights ect.. while doing this observe the light dose it increase in illumination with each step ? If it dose your fighting an alt or voltage reg problem. More than likley a diode in the alt. is decaying under load this should be tested by your dealership since you still have a warrenty. Should the light stay the same, or only light when one specific accessory is turned on you could very possibly be chasing a bad ground in that specific accessory, A bad ground will back feed looking for a better ground an can cause your problem. again with still having a warrenty stand on your soap box and bitch till it's fixed, this will save you from pulling out your hair. If you can't get satifaction from the dealer E-mail me at gpierce good luck gary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:05:41 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks Subject: Vote results - Long and important info Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It was a landslide... For Split: 66 75.8% Against: 21 24.2% I will not bring this issue up for a vote again. If it ever comes to another issue such as this, it needs to start as a motion from the group. The _only_ reason I brought this up is because I had alot of people beg me privately to do something about the volume and/or split the list after the sharp increase in traffic over the past 3 weeks. As things stand right now we have received enough money for the new web site (someone has earmarked money for it). The new site will be up ASAP (probably 2 weeks), expect to see many changes as we'll have alot of bandwidth. As to whether we have enough money for a list split, it will cost $60 for the next three months service (both lists total) plus $20 to setup the new lis. That means we need $80 for the list split. Right now, not including the money earmarked for the web, I have received $50 in donations. I hate to do this but with the baby due in less than 4 weeks I need to ask if anyone can send a few bucks (but not if you already have) to make-up the difference. Once I have enough money we can have the new list up within 24 hours! Keep in mind that this is only going to cover us for 3 months. It will run us $60 every three months for two lists - its a real good price when you consider how much mail LOF is processing for us. Please, if you can, help foot the bill as only an extremely small number of people have helped. I'm going to stop grovelling now.... remember you are _not_ required to pay for the list - do it if you can and/or feel like it but don't if you can't afford to. A full accounting of all donations and expenses will be presented to the list on the 15th of this month. I received an alternate suggestion for splitting the list: "restorers, who're very interested in the arcane specifics of historical accuracy, and what might be called "preservers," who might be more interested in keeping a family car going whether or not it's pure by concourse standards." Also, someone suggestion diesel/non-diesel. If I'm not mistaken there is a diesel truck group in existance. I don't have its address (if anyone does please post it) and I don't know if it's Ford only. Since there wasn't any type of concensus on other types of splits I will not bring it up for a second vote (plus its a pain to sort and count them!). Here are the comments voters sent in, keep in mind that most voters did not comment: Against Split ------------- - I think the infomation on all years is important to me. It all helps.. Thank for the list . If there is 2 list then I will surcribe to both. - From what I've seen in the list, the membership often splits along two poles: restorers, who're very interested in the arcane specifics of historical accuracy, and what might be called "preservers," who might be more interested in keeping a family car going whether or not it's pure by concourse standards. These two spheres overlap somewhat when it comes to performance, but even then, I noticed a great deal of emotion recently around issues of brand purity/loyalty. Personally, I think we need a greater pool of commonality, not less. No matter where you are between the poles, you're likelier to get better information pool from a larger group than a smaller one. Cross pollination has many benefits. If the group is split, why draw it at vehicle age? Plus, doesn't this add to the Sysop's burdens (running two lists instead of one)? Is that helpful? - Like I emailed, if people would learn to not send everyones emails 17 times when replying, the digest would get a lot smaller. - I feel that there is a lot of mail but I find some of the items on older trucks interesting as well. Also it is not that difficult to sort out as most people do a good job of desribing the letter in the RE. - If they can't handle the volume, require them to get a better provider. :) - As the owner of two trucks one post 80 one pre 80 I can see inner changing of ideas both ways. - If there is a split I will likely subscribe to both lists. I like getting all the info and that is the only reason I voted no on the split. - How about a split between gasoline and diesel? Many thanks for this list! - I am only getting 2-3 digests a day now. If we split I will probably get less than 1 per day. That is just not enough Ford Truck talk for me. I have 2 trucks on each side of the split so for me it is more convenient to have it all in one list. I am 100% against the split. - Since I have a 6x Fxxx and an 8x Bronco II, I am interested in both lists. - I subscribe to several mailing lists in digest form. I suggest that option for subscribers overwhelmed with the number of messages. People with newer vehicles should look on this as a way to learn how to care for their trucks in the future. If you decide to split I would like to be on both. Great List! For Split --------- - Great idea Ken, I dont think of it as a split, I think of it as segmenting us and giving us more time to dwell on pertinent questions rather than wearing out the paint on the Delete key and possibly losing folks with good info. Divide and Conquer !!!! - Do whatever it takes this is great idea, and I think you should do whatever it takes to keep it going - The check is in the mail - I know I'm past the voting deadline but thought I'd provide some input anyway. (Note: I put this comment here but did not count it. By the vote count it doesn't seem that one vote would have made a difference anyway.) - Excellent resource for information---cheap. Keep up the good work. - The list traffic has been pretty substantial and it is hard for me to keep up with all the emails. I'd like to see the break as 'early' as makes sense with the truck models. - Thanks for all your hard work MOM. I already voted once and once is enough. God Bless you. - A minimum of badge bashing would be nice. I am partly on the list to get info on the '7x f-250 and partly to help figure out what Ford engine to use in my xx International. Badge bashing realy sours the group. - I agree with the decision to accept donations instead of charging a fee. - Split the list, but continue to send me both. Thanks, and your are doing a wonderful service. - I don't really want to split the list and voted no last time. However, it appears to me from Ken's comments that this is probably necessary because of the current size of the list. I really enjoy hearing from the people who have older Fords as those are the ones I grew up with, but I suppose I can subscribe to both lists. Thanks for everything Ken, I plan to send you my check as soon as I get a chance to sit down and do it. - Thanks Ken, and thank you to the other members of the fordtruck list. My trucks engine is a ford but I put Chevy hub caps on it. I'm sorry I don't why, I just lost my head! - Yes, I do think that the models after 1980 should have their own list because this year marked the end of the good old trucks and the new not so good trucks. - Back at 200 members, I voted to not split the list. However, on Monday mornings I am now greeted by up to 170 messages since the Friday afternoon previous (Agh..too much of a good thing!) If and when I buy a newer truck, I may be interested in the 1980's + info. Until then, the pre '79 list will suit me fine. Thanks Ken! - I'll still subscribe to both but will probably digest the newer half. I've learned more about Ford trucks in the last four months than is probably good for me! Thanks to everyone! - I love the list and like to help when I can. Just too much mail. Can't deal with it. - I have a new ford and an old ford but don`t work on the new one, YET! I`ll still get both lists just the same. never know when you`ll need it! - Sounds like a good idea to me. If it's too much than do the logical step....separate it. - Excellent work on the list Ken! - The number of posts is just too large... - Lots of good info on the list. Would be nice to split new/old tho. - Although I learn from both lists I still don't have the "old" iron that I want...Just the newer truck. - I think that splitting would be a good idea. - Ken, Thank You VERY much for the FORDTRUCKS list. You do a splendid and very democratic job running it. Thank You for all Your time to provide this excellent service for us. My modest check is in the mail to help cover Your expenses. Thanx again, xxxxx - Traffic is so high, It would really benefit me more to have the list split. - the -80's / 80's+ is a good idea. - Being that the number of digests per day has increased tremendously, I am in favor of a split. However, based on my interest in Ford trucks, I believe the split should occur somewhere in the early 70s. Other than some electronics, the mechanicals of my 7x are amazingly similar to those of my 9x. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:10:45 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks Subject: Vote info - for newcomers Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To those who are new to the list I forgot to mention the issue we voted on. We voted to split the list into two lists: 1980 and later trucks, and pre-1980 trucks. -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Truck Enthusiast List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:16:02 -0400 From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: 1965 Ford F-100 Owners Manual Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:00 PM 5/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >I am currently restoring a 1965 F-100. Does anyone know where I can >obtain an owners manual? > Melvin's Classic Fords, Obsolete Ford, Carolina Classics and F100 Connection (amount others). All on the suppliers page of the web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Truck Enthusiast List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:54:58 -0500 From: Gardner To: fordtrucks Subject: Shocks for 94 Ranger Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for recommendations on shocks for my truck. I waas looking at something like the edelbrock performance IAS or sensatrak by monroe. I not sure if edelbrock makes shocks for this application, if you do please let me know! Thanks in advance. Keep of the good work Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 19:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: JIM HURD To: fordtrucks Subject: Re: MAP woes Message-id: Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tom, What is the code that you are getting? (I have never heard of a "hooped" MAP sensor.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 20:36:02 -0400 From: Rick Waldbart To: fordtrucks Subject: Ideal Rig Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I=92m new to the list and would appreciate some help in putting together an ideal vehicle for work and play applications in a Ford pickup. I=92m well aware that there are several different ways that the pieces of what I have in mind could be put together, but would like some thoughts about whether the rig, as is, is unrealistic=85all the other combinations are more complicated . I=92m willing to buy a new (gasp!) F350 cab-chassis, with the 7.3 Powerstroke diesel, and put a low profile service or utility body as the bed. Other options would include dual rear wheels, 4 (or is it 6?)WD, and crew cab. I=92d put a 9=92 camper slide in on top of the service body= =2E = Some models, but not all, will fit. In addition, the extra fuel tank would be ideal. There would be two or three extra batteries along with two solar panels. Even though the dry weight of the slide in isn=92t too bad, I=92d be surprised if the whole camper portion didn=92t weigh about 5,000 or so pounds with other options and fluids. = There would be a 6 to 7,000 lb. boat to tow much of the time. There would be a small extender hitch. = = My best guess it that the truck - camper combo is too heavy for the GVWR after the 4 WD and crew cab is added. Some estimates are that there.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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