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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 82

Today's Topics:

Re: Pulling a 3000 pound Ski Boat th [John Macnamara ]
Surface grit II [Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
Re: Cold thermostats Vs. Hot [JIM HURD ]
Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV [JIM HURD ]
RE: Surface grit [Randy Collins ]
Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV & ["Harry Jennings"
Re: '65 F-250 4BBL SWAP Help! [Don Grossman ]
Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV & [JIM HURD ]
Re: Getting better mileage/electroni [DC Beatty
RE: 4 wheel drive [DC Beatty
Re: SOHC 427 [sdelanty sonoma.net ]
Re: 4 wheel drive [Don Grossman ]
Re: Cold thermostats Vs. Hot [Daver ]

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:15:37 -0700
From: John Macnamara
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Subject: Re: Pulling a 3000 pound Ski Boat through the AZ Mountians.
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Keith Srb wrote:
>
> O.K. This isn't a question, but rather a request for opinions. I have a 20
> foot Ski Boat that I pull from Mesa, AZ, through the mountains to Roosevelt
> Lake. The boat weights around 3000 to 3500 pounds, depending on how much
> camping gear I store in it while traveling. I also have to carry around an
> addition 500-750 pounds of camping gear, coolers, gas cans, etc, in the pickup
> box. Oh ya, add the weight of a topper to the truck. It takes somewhere around
> 2 hours to get from point a to point b, depending on how many stops we make.
> The road ranges from a nice new wide 4 lane highway, going from being a flat
> road to up and down 6% grades, to a narrow winding 2 lane roughly paved path.
> Oh yes I better not forget the loose sand around the lake that is know for
> swallowing up motor homes and tow trucks, to actually backing my truck up into
> the lake until the water is running into the cab, so I can get the boat off
> the trailer. They have boat ramps at the lake, but they are so steep my two
> wheel drive truck can't get enough traction on the wet concrete to do anything
> other than spin the passenger side rear wheel. Posi-traction, (sp?), my dad
> did not know there was such a thing when he ordered the truck from Ford in
> 1966.
>
> Oh by the way, I am using my 1966 Ford F100 SB with a 240 Straight Six do pull
> the boat up to the lake now. Since my dad ordered this truck and took
> delivery from the dealer on 2-16-66, I have the warranty card, I do not wish
> to use my old girl any more to do this. I want to retire her to the back yard
> so I can show her some of the TLC she has showed to my family over the past 31
> years. Anyway, I am babbling. I would like to here from anyone who has owned
> or who has know someone with a dually as far as the pro's and con's of using a
> dually for this purpose. I would also like to hear from any who has owned or
> who has know someone with a F250 or F350 Single Rear Wheel, 4X4 as to the
> pro's and con's of using this truck for this purpose.
>
> I have three major concerns as I look for a truck to perform this task. I do
> not anticipate using the truck for much of anything else. I kneed a truck with
> an engine that can product a lot of torque over the entire range of Rpm's I
> will be using, I also need a truck that has heavy duty brakes, so I can stop
> on the down hill portion of the road If need be. I need four wheel drive to
> make sure I do not get stuck in the sand. I have been looking at F250's from
> around 1968-1972.
>
> Finally I would like to hear any comments anyone has to say about this. Thank
> you in advance. Also, Thank you, Ken "List Mom" for you sacrifice in time and
> money, that allows me to ramble on about my problems to other Human Beings!
>
> Keith Srb
> 1966 Ford F100 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4 Speed, Short Box.
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L, I hate Liters, 5 Speed Mitsubishi, Eddie Bauer.
>
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Keith: I have such a vehicle that I built for the express purpose of
towing heavy boats as I have a 21 ft Sea Ray that I tow from LA to
Havasu up the Sciroco grade or to Lake Mead up the Baker grade so I know
something about towing up hills.

I have a 78 F250 4X4 Supercab and before that I had a 78 F250 4X4
regular cab. I converted both trucks from the 400 to 460 motors as the
400 was not a good motor for towing.

I've also used my 4 wheel drive to tow boats and trucks out of the sand
so it works in all situations such as you described.

If you would like specific advice or have questions, you can email me
directly at JohnMcn micom.com

Thanks! John
78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:30:05 -0500
From: Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Surface grit II
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I don't think it is brake dust. I try to clean the wheels often to prevent
that. Would brake dust corrsion be invisible?

--Jim

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:34:59 -0500 (EST)
From: JIM HURD
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Subject: Re: Cold thermostats Vs. Hot
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According to data provided courtesy of Continental Motors (see pg. 72
of Steve Christ's book titled "How to Rebuild Your BIG-BLOCK FORD",
ISBN 0-89586-070-8 Published by HPBooks), showing cylinder-wall wear
vs operating temperature, the graph show that cylinder-wall wear decreases
as operating temperature increases, up to 200 degrees (F). Bore wear
increases dramatically at lower operating temperatures! YMMV.

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:49:03 -0500 (EST)
From: JIM HURD
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Subject: Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV
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Harry,
I guess we disagree on how the PCV valve functions. By disconnecting the
vacuum line to the PCV valve, some of your crankcase gasses may escape from
your PCV into the atmosphere, but most of them will escape thru the PCV
filter located inside your air filter unit, and get feed back through the
carb.

Leaving the vacuum line connected to the PCV valve will not detract from
your power or fuel mileage. It may slightly improve them as the crankcase
will now be under a *slight* vacuum, reducing the pumping action on the
under side of the pistons. Also, a disconnected PCV valve, as well as a
gooked up PCV valve or hoses agravates oil leaks that are caused by the
increased pressure in the crankcase, especially if your rings are tired!

Of course, YMMV.

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:57:43 -0700
From: Randy Collins
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: Surface grit
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Jim,

I would think twice before I used wheel cleaner on the urethane finish =
on your truck. =20

Tell me more about the problem. Are the problem areas on the entire =
truck or are they only in isolated areas? What color is your truck. =
Have you viewed them under magnification? They could be bubbles in the =
urethane clear...tell me more. =20

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
F250 4WD 460 C-6



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I have some strange invisible gritty patches on my 94 Ranger XLT's rims. =
I am=20
going to try to use wheel cleaner on it one of these days. Could this =
be hard=20
water residue from using the quarter washes?

--Jim


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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:30:24 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
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>Harry,
> I guess we disagree on how the PCV valve functions. By disconnecting the
>vacuum line to the PCV valve, some of your crankcase gasses may escape from
>your PCV into the atmosphere, but most of them will escape thru the PCV
>filter located inside your air filter unit, and get feed back through the
>carb.
>
> Leaving the vacuum line connected to the PCV valve will not detract from
>your power or fuel mileage. It may slightly improve them as the crankcase
>will now be under a *slight* vacuum, reducing the pumping action on the
>under side of the pistons. Also, a disconnected PCV valve, as well as a
>gooked up PCV valve or hoses agravates oil leaks that are caused by the
>increased pressure in the crankcase, especially if your rings are tired!
>
>Of course, YMMV.
>
>
Unhooking the PCV valce like I explaided DOES INCREASE power and mpg! I nevr
recomend something that I "saw somewere" or "heard about someplace". I only
recomend it if *I* have tried it.
I have ran my 351M like this for about 78,000mi and has NO oil leaks.

As far as the hot Vs. cool thermostats go. Yes wear can increase with extreme
cold running, but a cool engine will run better and last longer (I will stick to
the teachings of my physics book).

As I mentioned before, a hotter engine is good for less pollution (that is why
new cars run them) but a cooler engine is better for power and mpg (like I said,
most "performance chips" come with or recomend using a 160).

Of couse different engines react differently to different things!

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Harry.

PS
Are you a college student?
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:32:46 +0000
From: Don Grossman
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Tanya Wagger wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I've got a 1965 F-250 with a 390 and a FOMOCO carb that looks like a
> Holley 750 double pumper . I think this carb may be a bit of overkill
> because of the was it loads up on decelleration. The question is are there
> any smaller 650 cfm type carbs Fomoco Ok, that bolt on without adaptor
> plates etc.
>
> Thanks
> Charlie Sr. 1965 F-250 390
> Charlie Jr. 1964 F-100 223

Also looking for more infor on this subject. What is the rest of the
390 crowd running for a carb? What size works best or at least better
than a Holly 850dbl pump? I would like to replace the carb first and
try it out with the stock manifold and then as money permits go with an
aftermarket intake. Looking for torque by the way, not planning on
running over 4500 or 5000rpm for any great leangth of time. And one
more thing anybody no how to decode the engine tag plate?

Thanky Spanky
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:35:37 -0500 (EST)
From: JIM HURD
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Harry,

I *was* a college student... umm, let's see....about 42 years ago...but,
well, that's amother story.

Now why do the "performance chips" come with a 160 degree thermostat? I
*thought* it ws to fool the computer into using a more aggressive timing
advance, (excluding CALIBRATOR chips, where they can modify the timing
vs. ECT tables.)

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Date: 01 May 97 20:33:16 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'FORD TRUCKS'"
Subject: Re: Getting better mileage/electronic ignition
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On Thu, 01 May 1997 "Harry Jennings" wrote:

>But if you are not afraid of removing the dist. (it isn't all that hard) you
could swap in junk yard parts and have an electronic ignition for around $25
(just a guess). It is VERY simple to do!

How do you deal with a junkyard distributor, brain box, etc. that is wired with
harnesses? I would like to put Motocraft breakerless in my '67 but most of the
distributors etc. I see are wired together all nice and tidy in harnesses. My
Maverick is this way. By the way, not once has this the ignition let me down.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: 01 May 97 20:33:14 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: 4 wheel drive
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I knew a guy who slid the frame/suspension/transfer, etc. from an older Bronco
under a 1966 Econoline van. I think the van was a "Supervan" or something--I
seem to recall him saying that 1966 was the first year they came out, and it did
look a little longer than the vans of that era. I'm not up to speed on older
Ford vans. Anyway, the thing worked and he drove it often.

Just a suggestion,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Sam Rule wrote:
>
> I have a 170 inline 6, with a 3.03 speed transmission, and I would like to
know which transfercase to use. It is in a 1965 ford van, so I would also like
to know which front axel to use, steering modifications etc. Is it even
possible for this year of!
van?
>

It would be a major conversion, but you would need a divorced Dana 20
(or similar) transfer case and a Dana 44 front axle to match it.
Steering and springs wuld be the biggest problems, especially if you
have a twin I-beam front suspension. It would be easier to drop your
body on a 4X4 chassis.

Mat Baker '64 F-250 4X4, 292 Thunderbird Y-block


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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:55:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonoma.net
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>Findig pistons is the hard part for a 410. If you are looking for a
>puller build a 428 the 390 block will punch out big enough and the rods,
>pistons and crank are availible through several sorces.

406 or 428 from a 390 sounds very cool. I'd be tempted to start aquiring
parts to build a 406 or bigger from my 390, but I'm a little
nervous/skeptical...

I've heard from several people that I thought were "in the know" that
only *some* 390 blocks were capable of supporting a 4.130" bore.
Something about certain truck blocks and/or "replacement" blocks and/or...?

Are You saying that *all* 390 blocks can support 4.130" safely?

If Yes, then what about a rebuild? Can You go 4.150" so You can get a
rebuild out of it. That would be cool, but sounds like stretching it....

Help me... I'm so confused.! You seem to have good practical experiance, but
I'm a little nervous.

If all 390's can go to 406 with just a bore/pistons, then why isn't this a
more common build up? There's still millions of 390's on the road, I'd think
there would be a metric shitload of 406 rebuilds out there. I've not seen them.

I wanna believe, cause I would love a 406, but I don't wanna find my piston
rings in the cooling system either...

Just in case it is true, how's about some info about what pistons to use
and who makes 'em.
I don't know the stock pin (compression) height for a 390.
Do You have it handy? It makes piston shopping easier...

>I have
>a combonation for a 390 to 427 convertion but it requires sleeves and a
>mechenist you really trust.

Wow, why did that little sentence make my nipples get hard?

Sleeving a 390 to 427 (4.250") would be *very* cute. With a 428 crank gives
452cid....

PLEASE tell me more about this conversion. I've had industrial motors
sleeved before.(dry and wet) Some motors come stock with wet sleeves. When
the cylinders are worn, just replace 'em. (-:

I assume this must be a wet sleeve setup, boring for a sleeve that large.
How is it sealed, O-ringed top and bottom?
Does it use a special head gasket?
Where do the sleeves come from?
Is a regular old 390 block adequate for the task?
Have You actually done this, or been closely involved with the building of
such a motor?

Please, If You would send me more info about these things either privately
or to the list I would be most interested..

>The 427
>(which I have) is bad to the bone, nothing to it to, but it is a rare
>side oiler with CROSS BOLT MAINS and I am saving it for something
>special.

My '71 F100 is *VERY* special, can I have Your 427? (-:

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty (sdelanty sonoma.net)

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:46:13 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 4 wheel drive
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marko maryniak wrote:
>
> >Sam Rule wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a 170 inline 6, with a 3.03 speed transmission, and I would like
> to know which transfercase to use. It is in a 1965 ford van, so I would
> also like to know which front axel to use, steering modifications etc. Is
> it even possible for this year of van?

Sam

If you can give me some specs on the van I could match them up to a 77
chassi I have (F-150) and see how close or far different they are. Your
van should be a coil spring front end and if so you might be able to use
the front end off of an F100 or F-150 4x4. An early bronco 66-77 might
be too narrow. the steering might be a bit of a prob. but anything is
possible. I am not all that familar with the early vans, but I will
help where I can. Send me an eMail on the side if you have any more ???

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:54:42 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks....

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