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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 81

Today's Topics:

Re: 4 wheel drive [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: Electronic or Transmission Probl ["Tim and Jolee Hann"
Surface grit [Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
Pulling a 3000 pound Ski Boat throug ["Keith Srb"
RE: Motor Oil ["Keith Srb"
Re: Pulling a 3000 pound Ski Boat th [William Sabers
Pictorial back up [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
RE: Motor Oil [William Sabers
Re: 302/351w any transplant problems ["James A. Doty" ]
'65 F-250 4BBL SWAP Help! ["Tanya Wagger" ]
Re: Getting better gas mileage-again [JIM HURD ]
Re: Vacuum Advance ["Harry Jennings"
sad but true -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
1983 F100 gas mileage [John Strauss
Re: Getting better gas mileage-again ["Harry Jennings"
Re: Surface grit ["Harry Jennings"
Re: Getting better gas mileage Re-Re [JIM HURD ]
Cold thermostats Vs. Hot ["Harry Jennings"
Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV ["Harry Jennings"

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:09:21 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
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>Sam Rule wrote:
>>
>> I have a 170 inline 6, with a 3.03 speed transmission, and I would like
to know which transfercase to use. It is in a 1965 ford van, so I would
also like to know which front axel to use, steering modifications etc. Is
it even possible for this year of van?
>>
>
>It would be a major conversion, but you would need a divorced Dana 20
>(or similar) transfer case and a Dana 44 front axle to match it.
>Steering and springs wuld be the biggest problems, especially if you
>have a twin I-beam front suspension. It would be easier to drop your
>body on a 4X4 chassis.
>
>Mat Baker '64 F-250 4X4, 292 Thunderbird Y-block

Although rare, these vans DO exist as 4x4's. There is one here in
Vancouver, actually a Mercury 4x4 van. It looked pretty stock when I saw
it, so I thought it was an original and not a convert.

Finding the transfer case (probably an NP 203) and the Dana 44 is no big
deal. The big deal is finding axles the right width, a proper transfer case
mount, driveshafts the right length, crossmembers, bla bla bla you know the
story. Oh yeah, a steering gear, etc.

One particular weirdness with your van will be that, since you sit right at
the front and the engine is next to you, you will need proper transfer case
linkage designed for the vehicle otherwise you'll have to get out of your
seat to change from 2x to 4x.

This is what to do: find out if anyone on our list can tell you if Ford
really did make 4x4 vans back then. If so, then you can go from there, and
try to find a wreck. Alternatively, the shop manual (along with an old
parts microfiche) should provide sufficient information that you can build
one.

good luck!


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:15:52 -0700
From: "Tim and Jolee Hann"
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getting a code what is it?opps you said FIPL sensor, must be s diesel. =
If no code what is the trans doing? Is it hunting in and out of =
converter lock? Please let me know, I have 35 of these bad boys in the =
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Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Electronic or Transmission Problem - 1989 F350

Still working on 89 Ford F350 with electonic/transmission problems in
E40D transmission. Have replaced "FIPL" switch 3 times in 2 weeks, 1st
one installed "backwards?!" by Ford Dealership, still not running
right. Solenoid has been discussed, maybe new wiring harness. Jerry at
Mr. Transmission in Owen Sound (519-371-1110) very knowledgeable on Ford
transmissions. He has reset "FIPL" couple of times. Thinks problem is
wiring harness origin rather than the internal valve solenoid body.
Anybody with any other thoughts on this?

George




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Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 4:47 AM
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Still working on 89 Ford F350 with=20
electonic/transmission problems in
E40D transmission.  Have replaced "FIPL" switch 3 times =
in 2=20
weeks, 1st
one installed "backwards?!" by Ford Dealership, still not =
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Ford
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:23:30 -0500
From: Jim Bovenmyer 4-6640
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I have some strange invisible gritty patches on my 94 Ranger XLT's rims. I am
going to try to use wheel cleaner on it one of these days. Could this be hard
water residue from using the quarter washes?

--Jim

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Date: Thu, 1 May 97 18:13:32 UT
From: "Keith Srb"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Pulling a 3000 pound Ski Boat through the AZ Mountians.
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O.K. This isn't a question, but rather a request for opinions. I have a 20
foot Ski Boat that I pull from Mesa, AZ, through the mountains to Roosevelt
Lake. The boat weights around 3000 to 3500 pounds, depending on how much
camping gear I store in it while traveling. I also have to carry around an
addition 500-750 pounds of camping gear, coolers, gas cans, etc, in the pickup
box. Oh ya, add the weight of a topper to the truck. It takes somewhere around
2 hours to get from point a to point b, depending on how many stops we make.
The road ranges from a nice new wide 4 lane highway, going from being a flat
road to up and down 6% grades, to a narrow winding 2 lane roughly paved path.
Oh yes I better not forget the loose sand around the lake that is know for
swallowing up motor homes and tow trucks, to actually backing my truck up into
the lake until the water is running into the cab, so I can get the boat off
the trailer. They have boat ramps at the lake, but they are so steep my two
wheel drive truck can't get enough traction on the wet concrete to do anything
other than spin the passenger side rear wheel. Posi-traction, (sp?), my dad
did not know there was such a thing when he ordered the truck from Ford in
1966.

Oh by the way, I am using my 1966 Ford F100 SB with a 240 Straight Six do pull
the boat up to the lake now. Since my dad ordered this truck and took
delivery from the dealer on 2-16-66, I have the warranty card, I do not wish
to use my old girl any more to do this. I want to retire her to the back yard
so I can show her some of the TLC she has showed to my family over the past 31
years. Anyway, I am babbling. I would like to here from anyone who has owned
or who has know someone with a dually as far as the pro's and con's of using a
dually for this purpose. I would also like to hear from any who has owned or
who has know someone with a F250 or F350 Single Rear Wheel, 4X4 as to the
pro's and con's of using this truck for this purpose.

I have three major concerns as I look for a truck to perform this task. I do
not anticipate using the truck for much of anything else. I kneed a truck with
an engine that can product a lot of torque over the entire range of Rpm's I
will be using, I also need a truck that has heavy duty brakes, so I can stop
on the down hill portion of the road If need be. I need four wheel drive to
make sure I do not get stuck in the sand. I have been looking at F250's from
around 1968-1972.

Finally I would like to hear any comments anyone has to say about this. Thank
you in advance. Also, Thank you, Ken "List Mom" for you sacrifice in time and
money, that allows me to ramble on about my problems to other Human Beings!

Keith Srb
1966 Ford F100 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4 Speed, Short Box.
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L, I hate Liters, 5 Speed Mitsubishi, Eddie Bauer.

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Date: Thu, 1 May 97 19:58:10 UT
From: "Keith Srb"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Motor Oil
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O.K. for those of us who haven't found the right book to read yet, what on
earth are you talking about?? Low Ash, No Parifin Oil?? Please explain.


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I find that a low ash no parifin 20w50 works best for me medium
detergent.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:05:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Sabers
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A great one is a two-wheel drive 79 ford pickup. Towing package, 390-4v,
Tow package, Dual Tanks, Air and Cruise. Saw it for sale the other day.
I did not stop to ask how much???
If you want I could check it for you.
Wsabers sunburst.usd.edu
Vermillion, South Dakota

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:09:26 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne)
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Pictorial is back up. Going to update it over the next couple
of days. When we move to the new web site it will have a
permanent home. Don't worry though, the new web site will link
off the current one so your bookmarks won't change.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

Ken

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:11:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Sabers
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On Thu, 1 May 1997, Keith Srb wrote:


20-50???? I know that you would not run that in the winter... at least a
winter in South Dakota. I have seen straight 20w oil resemble brown
jello.
5-30 in the winter, 10-30 or 20-50 in the summer, depending on
the vehicle...

Medium Detergent is fine, however if I buy a used car I will run high
detergent oil &/or a quart of Transmission fluid to get rid of some of the
residue left from previous "lo-maintaince owners"
Wsabers

> I find that a low ash no parifin 20w50 works best for me medium
> detergent.
>
> Molater
>
> Daver
>
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:17:12 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 302/351w any transplant problems?
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At 02:23 PM 5/1/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello!, I'm installing a 351W in my 1979 F150 and I was told I didn't have
>to change hardly anything for the swap from the stock 302 presently there.
>I was wondering about motor mounts. Do I have to get new motor mounts or
>just use the same ones?????
>Any help will be appreciated.

In 1981 I yanked my 351W from my 1975 E-150 and replaced it with a 302. I
don't remember having to change the motor mounts, but I do remember that the
exhaust system would not bolt up because the 302 was slightly narrower at the
exhaust heads (Is this proper terminology?) than the 351W.

======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Thu, 01 May 97 00:25:55 PDT
From: "Tanya Wagger"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com, fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: '65 F-250 4BBL SWAP Help!
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Hey all,
I've got a 1965 F-250 with a 390 and a FOMOCO carb that looks like a
Holley 750 double pumper . I think this carb may be a bit of overkill
because of the was it loads up on decelleration. The question is are there
any smaller 650 cfm type carbs Fomoco Ok, that bolt on without adaptor
plates etc.

Thanks
Charlie Sr. 1965 F-250 390
Charlie Jr. 1964 F-100 223

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> My dad has a 64 Ford pickup for sale, the body is solid, bought it to
> fix up but just don't have the time! It had a straight six in it but we
> put a 302 in it, its mounted just needs finishing, 3 spd on the column,
> if interested call (410)671-6460, ask for Mike. $500.00
>
>
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:37:23 -0500 (EST)
From: JIM HURD
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My set up is just the opposite of Harry's. I run all the emissions equipment
and maintain it. I also run the hottest thermostat available. Guess that's
what make the world go round :-)

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:36:32 PDT
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You are correct John, some did have two vucuum lines. My '77 351M only has one.
It is the an advance and for max mpg it should remain hooked up!

Harry.


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>>First of all lets talk about that vacuum line to the dist. That is an
>>ADVANCE line not a retard line. Hook it back up! Most requre an inline
>>delay. If your does (check a manual such as Chiltons) make sure you have
>the >right color towards the dist. (again, check the manual).
>>
>Au contrair! 1970s Ford distributors commonly had TWO vacuum lines to the
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:41:47 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne)
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If you're not gone already I'd like to let you know you're welcome
back anytime! Check out www.juno.com (?) or search for hotmail
for information about free email accounts.

Sorry, I know this is off topic!

>>> "Jason C Wodack" 05/01/97 08:28am >>>
Well All, I hate to say it, but it must be done. yup I unsubscribing
from the list. unfortunately I don't have email except through
school, and now that summers here I won't be at school any more. I'd
like to thank Ken and everyone who's contributed and helped me with
my questions. It's beet a great ride. I'll see you all again in the
fall. And hopefully I'll have some money to contribute to the FORD
TRUCK FUND by then.

Thanks for the memories
Jason Wodack
'84 Bronco II


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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:45:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Strauss
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>My question HOW DO I IMPROVE GAS MILEAGE...... besides not driving it.
>I've preformed every setup procedure from every book around and still no
>luck.
>I'd like to keep the truck without buying a gas station for it.
>
>
Gas mileage is a hard bugger to track down because there are so many
variables. Just what is your MPG? What trans/rear end do you have? What
size tires? What type fuel pump? Where do you live (i.e. what's the
weather like)? What MPG did you get BEFORE you put this engine in? Is
this a same engine replacement or was something else in there before?
This'll at least get us started on diagnosis.

John

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:51:40 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
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>Here's a way you can have electronic ignition without changing the
>distributor.
>There is a company in central California called Pertronix. (They advortise in
>all of the perfomance mags.)
>For under $100 they will sell you a devise that replaces the points and hooks
>to the coil. That's it. No changing the distributor.
>Lance
>
>
Very good advice. It is very simple to install and $100 is not TOO much.

But if you are not afraid of removing the dist. (it isn't all that hard) you
could swap in junk yard parts and have an electronic ignition for around $25
(just a guess). It is VERY simple to do!

Harry.
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:53:40 PDT
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>I have some strange invisible gritty patches on my 94 Ranger XLT's rims. I am
>going to try to use wheel cleaner on it one of these days. Could this be hard
>water residue from using the quarter washes?
>
>--Jim
>
>Could be brake dust.?.

Harry.
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:02:19 -0500 (EST)
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Michael D. Waak,
Thanks for pointing out the misinformation posted re: PCV valves. There
is an awful lot of incorrect info floarting around on this list, being
presented as fact!

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:11:58 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
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Here is the thing. Way back in HS physics we were told the cooler a device is
the more effecient it will be. This is why when you buy one of those
'performance chips' for a computerized car they often come with a cooler
thermostat (165 most of the time).

You may ask "Why do new cars have hot thermostats then?" It is because the
hotter the engine is the fewer the pollutants that are produced! That plain and
simple.


BTW A hotter engine will also decrease engine life.

Harry.

PS
Another factor in milage is your suspention. When I first bought my '71 longbed
(I bought it for the solid body) the front suspention was in bad shape (and the
302 wasn't too good either). At first I was getting 12 mpg. After I repaired the
suspention mpg jumped to 15. The 302 was still junk, though. That is when I
swapped in the '77 351M/C6.


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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:47:42 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Getting better gas mileage PCV
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First of all I did NOT say to remove the PCV valve, I said to disconnect it from
the carb.

Second, the PCV valve doesn't suck out gases.

Here is how it works. You have a PCV valve in the drivers side valve cover. This
valve only lets gases out. On the passanger side valve cover you have a filtered
inlet (mine has a small filter inside the air cleaner). This causes a
circulation of the crankcase gases (which is good). That is why I left my PCV
valve in place.

However, the PCV valve doesn't just vent the gases into the air (mine does now),
it vents them into the carb. By fremoving this line to the carb and plugging the
hole you will gain MPG and power.

I you want you could replace the PCV valve with one of those little chrome air
filters (which I mentioned before). You will still have a vented crankcase and
all ingoing air will be filtered.

I think many people misunderstood me and thought I was saying to plug the PCV
valve hole.

Harry.

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>>Well you didn't say what size your engine is so I will guess it is a 302. And
>>what about your tranny?
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>(Slice)
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>>All emisions are unhooked (no EGR and no PCV valces) and everything is
>>pluged.
>>Remember to still use the vacume advance mentioned earlier.....


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