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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 80

Today's Topics:

RE: Motor Oil [lorraine smith
Re: 360 windage tray [Daver ]
Re: Motor Oil [Daver ]
Re: SOHC 427 [Daver ]
Re: : Re: PowerStroke Break-In [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: 4 wheel drive [Mathew Baker
Re: Getting better gas mileage Re-Re [SPEEDK2 aol.com ]
Re: Electronic or Transmission Probl [farmergeorge sos.on.ca ]
Re: SOHC 427 [silent.bob juno.com ]
1964 Wiring Diagram [John Strauss
Harry's Automotive Knowledge [John Strauss
Vacuum Advance [John Strauss
Address per requests [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
1983 F-100 [gpierce web2000.net ]
Re: Address per requests [Steve & Rockette
Re: Getting better gas mileage Re-Re [Michael & Linda Waak
Re: Getting better gas mileage-again [LanceWaldn aol.com ]
Re: 302/351w any transplant problems ["Malcolm O'Blenis"
sad but true ["Jason C Wodack"
Re: Address per requests -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [LA46544 aol.com ]
Re: F-250 w/302? [LA46544 aol.com ]
Re: 302/351w any transplant problems ["Tim and Jolee Hann"

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:12:44 -0600
From: lorraine smith
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I use 100 percent synthetic oil in my truck and to keep brands brands =
out of the debate like you requested. The oil I use states on the =
bottle 25000 miles or 1 year between changes which ever comes first. =
They also recoment that you change your oil filter at 12500 miles to =
help keep the oil clean. I know people who follow these instructions =
and have had no problems. I tend to change the oil in my truck about 2 =
times a year in the fall befor winter and in the spring which will be =
done soon. I see no need to change every 3000 miles if the company =
states that 25000 is whar they recomend. I don't feel that the cost is =
that great for doing only 1 or two oil changes a year costs me about =
$10.00 a quart for the oil. =20

Derrick Smith=20

1995 FORD RANGER=20

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From: Stuart Varner[SMTP:varners ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us]
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Subject: Motor Oil

In my former days as an employee of XXXXXXX Oil, parent Company of
XXXXXline motor oil, Much research was done on the effects motor oil
weights had on engines. Some studies were done on various police
departments who had the 4.6L Crown Vics....tried to run
10W40......owners manual calls for 5W30. The police departments almost
burnt the motors up because the oil was too thick and engine tolerances
were so tight, couldn't get enough oil on the top end of the motor.

Other interesting/old news regarding single weight oil. Some of the
studies showed multi-visc. oils do not break down as they should and did
not provide adequate summer time protection on the "thicker" end of the
oils. In other words, 5W 30 won't do the job as well as Super HPO 30=20
or Super HPO 40 single weigght oils in the summer. The HPO oils are
high detergent oils which should be run in temps that are consttant and
always over 32 degrees F.
I for one run Super HPO 30 in my 71 F-100 360 and in my 89 Merc Grand
Marq. (302, 130,000 trouble free tight and dry miles) in the summer
months when the weather is nice. In the winter, I switch to 5W30 in the
Mercury and 10W 30 in the F-100. I run full synthetic 5W 30 in my 95
Special Service Crown Victoria LX (4.6 Liter)year round.=20

There are several advantages to synthetic and some disadvantages...
Advantages......better lubrication qualities, better heat disipation,
Studies from "the"
company showed two identical engines dynoed for 100,000 plus miles.=20
Changes were made at appropriate intervals, engines were torn down. The
motor with synthetic oil provided
little to no indications of wear. The other standard mineral based oil
showed much greater signs of wear.

Disadvantages........Cost, AND you still need to change oil every 3,000
miles or less depending on your driving situation.

As far as putting modern oil in an old engine.....the more advanced, the
better....
it can help with protection better than the old non-detergent oils. As
far as putting
new oils into an old engine with sludge build up that has been running
non-detergent oil, it may braek things loose. Sounds logical to me.

Make your own decisions, experiment a little, see which oil runs best in
your engine. CHanging brands and oil weghts will not cause
problems.....unless you run a motor oil with a high parafin base, then
you can start having problems. I AM TRYING TO KEEP=20
BRANDS OUT OF THE MOTOR OIL DEBATE. We all have preferences....that is
why I am in the Ford camp. Motor oils are like milk and gasoline(for
the most part)
They all come from basically the same place (pipeline shipments came to
our terminal from other companies, barges came from other companies,
and we put in our own additives). Oils (been to a plant that was
bottling oil for Companies a, b, c, d, e, etc. including there own
branded oil from the same spout!) and gasolines have different
additives which make them slightly different. NO Flame wars here
please! I know from experience on the pipelines and barges gas is all
the same, except for the additives
( I recommend buying 89 or 92-94 octane, they have a greater percentage
of additives
and detergents which help keep modern injectors and fuel systems cleaner
than 87 octane)

Sorry this was so lengthy! Hope it helps someone.


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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:31:05 -0500
From: Daver
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Doug Neely wrote:
>
> Daver,
> The 428 windage tray is still available at the Ford dealers
> the part # is c9ZZ-6687-A I paid $50 (CDN) for mine, also if
> you use a 390 crank you should change the pistons to the same,
> the 360 pistons are taller.I put 360 rods and pistons on a 390
> crank and it pinged like crazy,had to knock the timing back to
> 4 deg BTDC and run premium .
> Cheers,
> Doug

You are correct the words you a looking for are top of piston to center
line of pin. I do not support this idea if a person wants a 390 there
are plenty of them to be had; I suggested the use of a 352 HiPro crank
and rod as they fit the 360 and will enable it to turn 6500 RPM. The
360 was a gas crunch engine and Ford's attempt to lighten up the FE
weakened the crank and rods to the point that the constant abuse of any
performance at all would cause the crank to break in front of the second
main from the back or #4 I believe and provided the crank survived the
rods had a nasty habit of turning loose of pistons at the rist pins. If
a rod turns loose at the pin the ammount of mass swinging and the
leangth of it will break the block through the web (I have seen this
happen.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:38:41 -0500
From: Daver
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I find that a low ash no parifin 20w50 works best for me medium
detergent.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:49:50 -0500
From: Daver
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> Ted (FMM) has a Website too. I don't work for him, just bought parts
> > from him off and on over 10 years. Knows his Fords.
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordmanted.com/
> fyi, rlg

Yeh and he has great stuff; but you've got to keep yer eye on yer wallet
because Ted will get in it. A lot of the stuff he has is rare and he
knows it.

You are correct though he Knows his stuff and if you ever go into his
shop you'll huh huh huh well huh it's imbarasing that is all I'll say.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:48:44 -0500
From: Jay Chlebowski
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Subject: Re: : Re: PowerStroke Break-In
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>>
>> I have a 93 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 7.3L. I didn't do anything to break
>> it in and I have no problems with it. I burn about one quart of oil
>> between oil changes which is not enough to bother adding oil. The owners
>> manual said it would get away with about that so I consider it normal.
>>
>> Good luck with the truck, I really like mine!
>>
>> Larry
>
>
>
>I concur. I also have a 93 7.3l. Now has 95,000 miles on it. I
>installed a Banks Sidewinder Turbo on it at about 8,000. It has always
>burned about 1 quart between oil changes, not enough to have to add any
>and the service manual says this is normal oil consumption. I use 3
>gal. of Mobil Delvac 1, and an FL-1995 synthetic media filter ever
>5000 miles. The FL-1995 is a direct replacement for the FL-784
>originally specified. Hope you enjoy your new truck. If I may ask,
>what happend to your Dodge so soon?
>
>James Thorne

So far, lots of good advice on the PowerStroke from a number of list
members -- it seems these things have a passionate following around here &
I'd love to hear more from all the owners.

Anyways, as for the Dodge...the Cummins is a wonderful engine (I miss that
turbo whistling all the time like the big rigs), but the truck is still a
Chrsyler product. Horrible brake problems, with days on end spent trying
to stop the pulling problems. They finally got it so it pulled right
instead of left, and was told that was acceptable according to Dodge --
truth is, they've got a design flaw they can't seem to isolate, or
therefore fix. It also had wierd rubbing noises from the front end, a host
of minor problems, and I only put 16500 miles on it. The brakes problems
qualified me for Lemon Law pursuit, but then Chrysler charges you $.15-.25
for miles driven, and you still have to pay for MSRP differences in the new
truck. That is through the arbitration process. I could have sued, but
lawyers ain't free either. So, I said f #! it, sold the thing (remember,
Dodge said it was OK), and got me a handsome, dependable, we've built 'em
for years so we know they're solid, tough as nails F350.

.....'nuff said...


Best Regards,
Jay

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:24:43 -0600
From: Mathew Baker
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Sam Rule wrote:
>
> I have a 170 inline 6, with a 3.03 speed transmission, and I would like to know which transfercase to use. It is in a 1965 ford van, so I would also like to know which front axel to use, steering modifications etc. Is it even possible for this year of van?
>

It would be a major conversion, but you would need a divorced Dana 20
(or similar) transfer case and a Dana 44 front axle to match it.
Steering and springs wuld be the biggest problems, especially if you
have a twin I-beam front suspension. It would be easier to drop your
body on a 4X4 chassis.

Mat Baker '64 F-250 4X4, 292 Thunderbird Y-block

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: SPEEDK2 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Getting better gas mileage Re-Re-Re
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please disconnec me from your mailing list.

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:36:17 -0700
From: farmergeorge sos.on.ca
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Subject: Re: Electronic or Transmission Problem - 1989 F350
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Still working on 89 Ford F350 with electonic/transmission problems in
E40D transmission. Have replaced "FIPL" switch 3 times in 2 weeks, 1st
one installed "backwards?!" by Ford Dealership, still not running
right. Solenoid has been discussed, maybe new wiring harness. Jerry at
Mr. Transmission in Owen Sound (519-371-1110) very knowledgeable on Ford
transmissions. He has reset "FIPL" couple of times. Thinks problem is
wiring harness origin rather than the internal valve solenoid body.
Anybody with any other thoughts on this?

George

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:31:30 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: SOHC 427
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On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:49:50 -0500 Daver writes:
>> Ted (FMM) has a Website too. I don't work for him, just bought parts
> >> from him off and on over 10 years. Knows his Fords.....

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