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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 79

Today's Topics:

Getting better gas mileage (was Re: [rick adc.com (Rick Larson) ]
Vote... info [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
'61-'64 engine paint [John Strauss
Re: Getting better gas mileage Re-Re ["Harry Jennings"
Fwd: Re: 302 fuel mileage ["Harry Jennings"
302/351w any transplant problems? [cableeng vt.edu (Douglas Minnick, T]
Re: 302 fuel mileage [SPEEDK2 aol.com ]
Re: Getting better gas mileage-again ["Harry Jennings"
20 MPG [rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwoo]
: Re: PowerStroke Break-In ["James C. Thorne, P.E."
Re: engine sizes [JRFiero aol.com ]
4 wheel drive [Sam Rule ]
Re: '61-'64 eng paint -don't know, b [JRFiero aol.com ]
Low sulfur diesel questions ["James C. Thorne, P.E."
Re: PowerStroke Break-In [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: '88 Bronco II (XLT) Wiring Diagr [suggies juno.com (David M Sugar) ]
RE: Powerstroke Breakin [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: SOHC 427 [Daver ]

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:05:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
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Subject: Getting better gas mileage (was Re: HUH?!...)
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Harry writes:

> Here is the thing about 20mpg.
[snip]

Can you stop by and help me get better mileage with my F100? I'll
provide the beer, food, pop, or what ever.

When I got my F100, I found:
broken vaccum lines, choke parts laying on the manifold, black
auto choke springy thing loose and about to fall apart, original
plugs, worn out points, broken wire between coil and points,
dirty air filter, ...

I fixed everthing but still would like to break into the high teens
on the highway. I even disconnected the "retard" vaccum hose from
the distributor and plugged the vaccum line yesterday.

I'm interested in any tips or suggestions to help improve the MPG.

I've *never* worked on carberators; only RTFM (read the Ford manual)
on choke adjustments when I re-assembled the choke. I can adjust
the idle speed but a little nervous about changing the fuel mixture
screws.

Let's start talking about ways to improve our mileage.

rick
'66 Mustang
'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver
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Rick Larson rick adc.com
Minneapolis

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:08:31 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne)
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I just wanted to mention... in the spirit of democracy if you are
in favor of a split - it does not have to be along the lines of
1980- and 1980+. Its could be fuzzy definitions of "old" and "new",
"modern" and "antique", "maintain" and "restore", "performance issues"
and "non-performance", etc. Your ideas are welcome. If it comes to
a split (we've already got 20+ votes but no trend is apparent) I will
present the suggestions and we'll have another (groan) vote as to
_how_ we should split.

Feel free to lobby your opinions to the group while the vote is going
on - maybe your opinion will persuade members to vote your way. Lets
just not go overboard and forget the people who ask questions as I'd
hate to lose members over politics.

Thanks everyone!
Ken "List Mom"

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:27:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Strauss
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Christopher Rogers wrote:

>The 262 I pulled out of my 64 had a red/orange?? (I think it was faded
>red) value cover, the rest of the engine didn't have any paint.
>

and then Jesus Cardoso wrote:

> The 292 in my '63 has orange have covers and no paint in the rest
>of the engine. (the engine is fairly greasy). I hope this helps.
>

Well, at least this validates my memory. No paint covered in grease looked
like black to me. I'm not as bold as Ford to go without paint so I guess I
did right painting the block black and the valve covers and intake Ford
Red. It looks really cool this way. I think I will do the same on my 223 Six.

FYI Ford Red looks like Chevy Orange after it fades but it there is in fact
a Ford Red. I was lucky enough to find it at Hi/Lo.

John

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:52:55 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
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Well you didn't say what size your engine is so I will guess it is a 302. And
what about your tranny?

First of all lets talk about that vacume line to the dist. That is an ADVANCE
line not a retard line. Hook it back up! Most requre an inline delay. If your
does (check a manual such as Chiltons) make sure you have the right color
towards the dist. (again, check the manual).

As far as carbs go I have never messed with them. Just never had to (my Uncle is
a wizz with them). He has done wonders for my 2-bbl. I have heard that a 4-bbl
could increase mpg, but I haven't tried yet.

A good low-end torque cam (like a performer or performer RPM) can put max torque
right at highway speeds which is great for mpg.

Rear gears also play a big role. I use 3.25:1. My rear tires are 295/60R15 BFG.

I also use electronic ignition. Just go to a junk yard and get what you want. It
is very easy to hook up. (Remember to increase the plug gap.)

A good dual exhaust is also a must. Headers are good, too.

All emisions are unhooked (no EGR and no PCV valces) and everything is pluged.
Remember to still use the vacume advance mentioned earlier.

I always use a 'cold air' induction on every car(truck) I own. This is simple to
make.

If you are running an auto trans there are a few tricks there, too. (Again no
personal experience with the internals). I use a trans cooler and a "towing"
shift kit (shifts smoother at part throttle).

I also use to LOWEST thermostat made for my engine.

I make sure that my air filter is always clean ( K&N for me).

All this has given me good acceleration along with good mpg. I like the peak
torque near highway rpm (I think that is the key). No it will never be the
fastest or have the most power, but that is not what I look for.

This truck is a '71 F-100 with a '77 351M/C6.

I like Coors Light.

Harry.







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>Harry writes:
>
>> Here is the thing about 20mpg.
>[snip]
>
>Can you stop by and help me get better mileage with my F100? I'll
>provide the beer, food, pop, or what ever.
>
>When I got my F100, I found:
>broken vaccum lines, choke parts laying on the manifold, black
>auto choke springy thing loose and about to fall apart, original
>plugs, worn out points, broken wire between coil and points,
>dirty air filter, ...
>
>I fixed everthing but still would like to break into the high teens
>on the highway. I even disconnected the "retard" vaccum hose from
>the distributor and plugged the vaccum line yesterday.
>
>I'm interested in any tips or suggestions to help improve the MPG.
>
>I've *never* worked on carberators; only RTFM (read the Ford manual)
>on choke adjustments when I re-assembled the choke. I can adjust
>the idle speed but a little nervous about changing the fuel mixture
>screws.
>
>Let's start talking about ways to improve our mileage.
>
>rick
>'66 Mustang
>'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver
>--
>Rick Larson rick adc.com
>Minneapolis
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:55:42 PDT
From: "Harry Jennings"
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>Thank You!
>
>Everyone else here almost had me convinced that my truck doesn't get 20mpg!
>
>Harry.
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>>
>>I can't check my fuel mileage very accurately from one tank full of fuel
>>because it is impossible to fill the tank to the very top (unless you
>>fill up at the same pump each time and park in the exact same spot each
>>time. So I figure my fuel mileage over several tankfuls.
>>
>>In 1995 I drove my truck 7883 miles and averaged 20.6 mpg.
>>In 1996 I drove my truck 7270 miles and averaged 20.9 mpg.
>>
>>(My truck doesn't get used from December thru March because of the salt
>>used on the roads in the Central NY area....bought it new in December of
>>1978 and only drove it in snow three times that I remember....now has
>>172K on it and it still looks pretty much like new.)
>>
>>My best fuel milage on a trip was on the return from Florida last year.
>>That was all interstate driving, 1271 miles and averaged 24.2 mpg.
>>
>>These mileage numbers are a little high, as my odometer reads 102 miles
>>compared to 100 miles on the yardsticks on the interstate. (2% high).
>>
>>I built this engine with fuel mileage in mind. I don't make near the
>>power of the FE's, but my little 302 pulls its 4460# truck along in
>>fair fashion for its displacement.
>>
>>I can't imagine getting 8, 10, or 12 mpg like some on this list. But
>>they must really have fun with all that power!
>>
>>Jim in Central NY
>>'79 F-150 (302!)
>>'92 Topaz (3.0l)
>>
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