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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 74

Today's Topics:

Re: Engine sizes. [Jesus Cardoso
Re: Engine sizes. [Mike Young ]
Re: Engine sizes. [Tkaczyk ]
Re: Tire size conversion -Reply [Jesus Cardoso
Need help removing truck bed (box) [Mark Goods
RE: Engine sizes. [mcat epix.net ]
Re: Engine sizes (all years) [Gardner ]
Re: Need help removing truck bed (bo [Karl Cunningham ]
Re: Engine sizes (all years) [Christopher Rogers
RE: Engine sizes. [Randy Collins ]
lowering kits [lorraine smith
Re: Problem [Ken Payne ]
Re: F-250 w/302? [Ken Payne ]
Re: Two 9" Rear Questions -Reply [Daver ]
RE: Engine sizes (all years) ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: Two 9" Rear Questions -Reply [Randy Zeilinger
Re: F-250 w/302? [LenJG aol.com ]
Re: Engine sizes. [Don Grossman ]

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:43:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
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How about the 292?

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Mike Young wrote:

>The little brother to the 289/302 is the 260.
>Mike young
>
>>2.3 Liter, 223 (straight six), 262 (straight six), 289/302 (whats
>>the smaller cousin size?), 351W, 351C, 351/400M, 332-428 FE,
>>427FE side oiler (in a class by itself!), 460, 6.4L diesel and
>>7.3L diesel.
>>
>>Ken
>>payne platinum.com
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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:57:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Young
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Ken
The 292 "Y" block shares its block with the 272 and the 312
Mike Young


At 01:43 PM 4/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>How about the 292?
>
>On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Mike Young wrote:
>
>>The little brother to the 289/302 is the 260.
>>Mike young
>>
>>>2.3 Liter, 223 (straight six), 262 (straight six), 289/302 (whats
>>>the smaller cousin size?), 351W, 351C, 351/400M, 332-428 FE,
>>>427FE side oiler (in a class by itself!), 460, 6.4L diesel and
>>>7.3L diesel.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>payne platinum.com
>>>
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> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> College Station, TX 77843-3128
> w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:00:32 -0400
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239/272/292/312 Y-blocks.

Gary In Connecticut

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:05:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
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Since we are talking about tires, does anyone know what tire size the
1963 F100 (1/2 ton) trucks came with originally. Thanks in advance.

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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
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e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:28:53 -0400
From: Mark Goods
To: "'FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com'"
Subject: Need help removing truck bed (box)
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Thanks to all that helped me with my last questions. Now here is one more.
I have a 1968 F100 Ranger and I would like to take the bed(box) off to get
to my rear wiring,(and a few more things that are wrong back there). How do
I do remove the bed and is it hard to do? Thanks in advance.


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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 15:39:46 PDT
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Ken
Try this for engine sizes, 221-260-289-302-351w, 239-272-292-312,
351c,351m-400,
332-352-352hp-360-361edsel-390-390hp-410-427-427tp-427sohc-428-428cj-scj-33
0hd-330md-359-361-389-391FEs. Mel series383, 462 477 534. 385 series, 429
429cj,460, 377trk, 429trk, Boss429.I belive the Mel series may include
more but I can`t find one of my books. The 6s also include 144, 170,
240,300 allgood motors in there own place.
Garry
--- On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:06:19 -0500 PAYNK wrote:

>Here's a list off the top of my head (plus a couple of suggest).
>Let me know of others. I know I'm missing a bunch, like the
>MELs but I don't recall exact displacements - too many numbers
>to remember. Any and every truck engine family you can think of
>please let me know....
>
>2.3 Liter, 223 (straight six), 262 (straight six), 289/302 (whats
>the smaller cousin size?), 351W, 351C, 351/400M, 332-428 FE,
>427FE side oiler (in a class by itself!), 460, 6.4L diesel and
>7.3L diesel.
>
>Ken
>payne platinum.com
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Date: 4/28/97 Time: 3:39:47 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:44:14 -0500
From: Gardner
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PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>
> I'm currently in the process of making a user survey form for
> the web site. It will ask about you make, model, year, engine
> type, etc. This will help everyone to know what our membership
> consists of.
>
> Please email me all the Ford/Mercury truck engine types that you
> know of as I want to cover as many of them as possible. Send
> email to: payne platinum.com
>
> Thanks, your co-operation is appreciated.
>
> Ken, "List Mom"
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3.0L, 4.0L, 2.3 is same as 2.3L, 2.5L Fords 1998 2.3L, 4.6, 5.4, and the
new V-10 which is something like 6.8L, I think there was also a 312
which I think was a flathead motor! There is also to 4.0 the pushrod
model 160 hp and the new overhead cam at 205hp! Both are available in
the explorer so it is probably important to know the difference! Hope
this is helpful, I'm sure there are more but I'm only 21 so I co0uld
never know them all! Chris Kelly

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:23:16 -0700
From: Karl Cunningham
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Subject: Re: Need help removing truck bed (box)
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Mark --

Removing the bed of the truck is not that hard, but if you're only going to
fix some wiring, you may be better off leaving it in place.

To remove the bed, disconnect any wiring you need to (to the tail lights,
etc.), then remove the nuts from the bolts that hold the bed down to the
frame. I think there are two at the rear that don't come through to the
top of the bed and then there are probably four or six more that do. Then
comes the tricky part, since you want to support the bed while being able
to drive the truck out from under it. An engine hoist and nylon straps
work well. Otherwise, you can get a bunch of people over and lift it off.

Good luck.




Karl Cunningham
karlc cnsii.com
1960 F250 factory 4x4

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:23:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Rogers
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Mike

The 262 I have is for sale. It ran when I pulled it and it does need
rebuilding. The truck it came out of only had around 60K miles so the
crank still may by good. If your interested in the engine for the crank
let me know (I'd like to get rid of the whole thing). Any reasonable
offer will be considered.

Chris

P.S. You can email me at carogers mtu.edu

> > Chris,
> I am looking for a crank for a 262 would you happen to know of one? I've
> got a 223 that is built up quite a bit and a 262 crank was recommended. Any
> help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> At 11:59 AM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ken
> >
> >You requested engine sizes that owners have in their trucks.
> >
> >Mine's a 262 (straight six), fairly rare, made from 61-64. Need anything
> >else let me know.
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:48:12 -0700
From: Randy Collins
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I would also include the 351 Boss, CJ and H.O. The 429 S.C.J.. Wasn't =
there also a 370 or was that the same as a 377? =20
Ken =

Try this for engine sizes, 221-260-289-302-351w, 239-272-292-312, =
351c,351m-400, =
332-352-352hp-360-361edsel-390-390hp-410-427-427tp-427sohc-428-428cj-scj-=
33 0hd-330md-359-361-389-391FEs. Mel series383, 462 477 534. 385 series, =
429 429cj,460, 377trk, 429trk, Boss429.I belive the Mel series may =
include more but I can't find one of my books. The 6s also include 144, =
170, 240,300 allgood motors in there own place. =
=20


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
F250 4WD 460 C-6



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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:23:39 -0600
From: lorraine smith
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: lowering kits
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I was wondering if anyone out there has done anything like lower a 95 =
ranger or similer to this and if so what type of kits are good? Also I =
have no idea of cost involved I am a student and can not afford to do =
this if it outragously priced

Thanks=20

Derrick Smith
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:37:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Problem
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At 11:22 AM 4/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Recently I was driving down the road on this highway, well I
>finally came to a stop and my truck just died. It sat for a
>while I finally got it to start again, but when I would slow
>down or stop it would die. Sounds like it isn't getting
>enough gas. So I tightened the chain that regulates the gas
>control, and seems okay now, I think. Anybody help.
>
>
>
> Chris

Was it a hot day or did the engine get quite warm? It could have
been vapor lock. Then again, you may have fixed it. Let us know.
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:44:08 -0400
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-250 w/302?
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At 12:22 PM 4/28/97 EDT, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My truck is an F-250, It has a 302 EFI, It has a Mazda tranny ( 5sp ).
> Thanks for the 351W info, could you fill me in on Torque and HP info. I have
> seen another F250 with a 302 and Auto Trans. I believe the engine to be to
> small, but it has lasted for 160,000 miles.
>
>
> Pat

Pat, whats the year model of the F250?
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:42:55 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Two 9" Rear Questions -Reply
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PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>
> >>> Dan Wentz 04/27/97 07:26pm >>>
> >Hello all
>
> >I have the 9" rear out of a 72 Torino and I'm thinking about putting it
> >under my 1950 F1. It's a little longer than the stock rear, but I ought to
> >be able to make up for that with wheel offset. Of course there's always
> >the chance that I can't make up for it with offset, which brings me to my
> >first question: Can I shave a couple of inches off the overall length by
> >using different drums/brakes? If so, which ones might work? The drums
> >I've got are pretty massive.

I'll add a couple ideas here one I have a 49 f-100 you have a great
chunk with a 300:1; however, your housing is too wide. I think toy'll
find that this will be more that a simple shave so here is a solution.
Find a Junked uot shorty ranger or bronco the 5 foot long ones the 9"
housing and axles you need are there and are perfect size.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 01:07:40 UT
From: "Ryan Penner"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Engine sizes (all years)
Message-Id:

I'm currently in the process of making a user survey form for
the web site. It will ask about you make, model, year, engine
type, etc. This will help everyone to know what our membership
consists of.

Hokay.. I have a complete ford truck book that does include pictures,
of ford, and mercury. The name of the book is Illustrated Ford Pickup
Buyer's Guide by Paul G. McLaughlin. copyright 1991This book has
good info, and b/w pictures, I would recomend getting or borrowing it.
They even havea El Detalle (anyone who knows what this is, is a true
ford fan! I will tell you if no one knows. :)

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:16:26 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Two 9" Rear Questions -Reply
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PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>
> >>> Dan Wentz 04/27/97 07:26pm >>>
> >Hello all
>
> >I have the 9" rear out of a 72 Torino and I'm thinking about putting it
> >under my 1950 F1. It's a little longer than the stock rear, but I ought to
> >be able to make up for that with wheel offset. Of course there's always
> >the chance that I can't make up for it with offset, which brings me to my
> >first question: Can I shave a couple of inches off the overall length by
> >using different drums/brakes? If so, which ones might work? The drums
> >I've got are pretty massive.
>
> In my experience, the later rear drums are bigger. A 67 F100 drum is
> (this is a guestimate from memory) about 1/4-1/2 narrower. I don't know
> if it would solve the problem as I believe the wheel stays in the same
> position. You can shave the axles, cut out space from the house and
> weld it back together. Not a fun task but very do-able.
>
> >My second question pertains to the gear ratio. Unless I counted wrong, the
> >rear end I've got is 3.0:1. Is that too high for a truck? Keep in mind
> >that this truck will never tow or carry heavy loads, and doesn't have to
> >have neck breaking acceleration--but it should still be peppy. This rear
> >will be mated to a stock 351C/C4. It would be easy enough to go get
> >another 3rd member from a junk yard, but I'd rather save the money if
> >possible. As usual, any advice, comments, suggestions are appreciated.
> >Thanks.
>
> I'm running 3.25:1. It works really well. I have 35x10.5-15 tires
> though. I have a pretty good balance of accel vs economy. If I want
> more acceleration I could put smaller tires on it. The 390 gives it
> plenty of pep though.
>
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