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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 69

Today's Topics:

Re: Once again, its an issue. -Reply ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: Electrical Problem ["James A. Doty" ]
where do we send the money? [stevefogarty ]
RE: Electrical Problem [mcat epix.net ]
Re: Unsubscibing Idiots -Reply [John Macnamara ]
RE: Electrical Problem [DC Beatty
F-250 w/302? [John Strauss
splitting the group ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Ken's honesty ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Re: FORDTRUCKS [Don Grossman ]
Re: Electrical Problem ["Jim" ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [JAMES ]
Re: splitting the group [Ken Payne ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [Ken Payne ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: Electrical Problem [JRFiero aol.com ]
Send Money To: ... [Randy Collins ]

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:05:15 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Once again, its an issue. -Reply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Ken:

I'd be willing to send a few bucks. Where do I send it?

-snipped to save bandwidth-
>My costs are:
>
>$140 for the first year per list (half that amount if we don't
> have digest - but I think digest format is a must)
>
>So total costs for two lists are:
> $84 + $140 = 224 one list
> $84 + $280 = 364 two lists
>One list: ~$0.45 per user per year average
>Two lists: ~$0.73 per user per year average
>

======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:12:12 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi there:

I don't know if it will help, but I had the same problem a couple of years ago with my '75 E-150 with 302/C6.

At first I thought it was the battery because it usually only happened when it
was cold out.

I replaced the battery and shortly I was suffering the same problem (Again usually
when it was cold out.)

My girlfriend's dad came over with a new starter and we did the swap and the problem went away.

Turned out that even though my starter was only a couple of years old the bearings
had gone out in it and it was drawing a lot more current than it should have when
rotating because of it.

Again, I don't know if this is your problem though.

At 12:11 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>
>
======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:41:00 -0400
From: stevefogarty
To: fordtrucks
Subject: where do we send the money?
Message-ID:
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Once again, thanks to all, and I did the the list of suppliers printed.
Thanks, Ken.

This list is great for a novice like me, where do I send the money and to whom?

Thanks.

Steve Fogarty
77 F100

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 15:41:40 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Electrical Problem
Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII

The first thing to check is the starter itself. If the battery runs down while cranking, the brushes are bad. I have had several ford starters do this. You can put in new brushes clean up the armeture and reinstall the thing. An old Motors Manual has the starter overhaul info in it. Also make sure the positive cable is not corrodid. check the ground cable from the engine to the frame. These steps should cure the slow turning of the starter. If you feel that you can`t re build the starter, than agood quality rebuilt starter would be in order. Watch the qualty, I once paid $75 on a so called rebuilt while on the road and 2 months later it self destructed. If all else fails $20 junk yard piece might be better.
Garry
--- On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Jesus Cardoso wrote:

>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)

> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
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>
>

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 4/25/97 Time: 3:41:40 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:07:42 -0700
From: John Macnamara To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Unsubscibing Idiots -Reply Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PATRICK M MURPHY wrote:
>
> Hi fellow Ford fanatics,
>
> I am somewhat of a new Ford person, I have been amazed at the volume of mail
> that I now recieve. I have an 89 F-250 4x4 that has a 302 in it. The truck
> has 162,000 miles on it and the engine still runs fine with the exception of
> loss of power in 4th and 5th gear up inclines. I had a warped intake manifold
> that I took off and had shaved. This took care of several problems. But the
> loss of power has got me. I am going to do a compression test, a mechanic
> friend suggested it could be blow by that would cause pressure to build up in
> the crank case. I think the problem is timing and have been adjusting it a
> little at a time with success. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
> If my problem is compression ( the motor is getting long in tooth ) can I
> put a 351 in the truck. Also what is the 351M? Will it bolt up to my 5 speed
> tranny (Mazda HD). Thanks in advance.
>
> Pat Murphy
>
> Mechanic trapped in a
> Telcom Techs body
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
> For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
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Pat: The 351M is the smog motor for the 78 and later trucks. It won't bolt up to your tranny but the 351W will. Big improvement.

It's possible with 162,000 miles that your timing chain is real loose and this would retard your timing.

Thanks! John

78 Ford F250 4X4 Supercab
67 Gt500

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Date: 25 Apr 97 17:26:17 EDT
From: DC Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Electrical Problem
Message-ID:

I had the same problem 302 Maverick. The starter was just wasted and was pulling too much current out of the battery. Whenever it would get cold it would get worse. The battery just couldn't take the abuse.

Then one fine morning when it was 12 below zero the bendix in the starter finally grenaded. My breath froze into icicles on the car chassis. The nice thing was, when I slipped off a wrench and punched metal, I didn't feel it---my hands were too numb!!! I didn't even know I was bleeding!!!

If I were you Jesus I'd pop that starter and have it checked at least.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Hi there:

I don't know if it will help, but I had the same problem a couple of years ago with my '75 E-150 with 302/C6.

At first I thought it was the battery because it usually only happened when it
was cold out.

I replaced the battery and shortly I was suffering the same problem (Again usually
when it was cold out.)

My girlfriend's dad came over with a new starter and we did the swap and the problem went away.

Turned out that even though my starter was only a couple of years old the bearings
had gone out in it and it was drawing a lot more current than it should have when
rotating because of it.

Again, I don't know if this is your problem though.

At 12:11 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>
>
======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL


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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:42:47 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: F-250 w/302?
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hi fellow Ford fanatics,
>
> I am somewhat of a new Ford person, I have been amazed at the volume of mail
> that I now recieve. I have an 89 F-250 4x4 that has a 302 in it. The truck
> has 162,000 miles on it and the engine still runs fine with the exception of
> loss of power in 4th and 5th gear up inclines. I had a warped intake manifold
> that I took off and had shaved. This took care of several problems. But the
> loss of power has got me. I am going to do a compression test, a mechanic
> friend suggested it could be blow by that would cause pressure to build up in
> the crank case. I think the problem is timing and have been adjusting it a
> little at a time with success. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
> If my problem is compression ( the motor is getting long in tooth ) can I
> put a 351 in the truck. Also what is the 351M? Will it bolt up to my 5 speed
> tranny (Mazda HD). Thanks in advance.
>

I think you mean F150, don't you? The 302 is not available in the 250 and neither is the M5OD. The 351M is a 335 series engine and will not bolt up to your M5OD bellhousing. But the 351W will.

John

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:35:06 +0000
From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: splitting the group
Message-ID:

>Today we received 4 digests at approx 30k each. List activity is
>enormous. I would like to suggest to the list that if this kind
>of activity continues for more than a week that we vote on a split
>again. If a split (pre 1980 and post 1980) does occur, I will have

Unless maintaing the single list is more expensive because of volume or something, I suggest keeping the list as is. I have a 56F100 and an 84 Bronco II. I'm mainly interested in stuff related to the 56 truck, but many messages are more "theory" than specific info for a specific vehicle and if the list splits many will miss out on that info.

With the digest it really isn't that hard to weed through and find good stuff. Scan the "contents" lists or just keep paging down until you find a good SUBJECT line.

Also, the people who probably have the most knowledge will be split into two groups (unless they want to follow both lists) and, unless we follow both groups, we lose out.

Erik O'Daniel

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:35:06 +0000
From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Ken's honesty
Message-ID:

>Most of you don't know me - therefore everything needs to be in the
>open. I realize that it takes some trust to send a check to a
>total stranger. My only defense is this: judge my based on my
>track record and I think you'll see that I have the list's best
>interest in mind.

Criminy! I'd bet most of us don't even care if you make a couple bucks off the list! Maybe go out to dinner with the wife or girlfriend. You went out and started the list, and in the land of capitalism you get to benefit. (Granted, I don't know all the "cc:" history of the Ford Truck Group...) I couldn't fit 400 Ford Truck enthusiasts (I know, subscription is up to 500, but I think 100 of them are trying to unsubscribe...) into my living room, but through the magic of electrons and Ken's work, you'all are crammed into a little box that sits on my desk. God Bless America!

Just my opinion...

My check is "in the mail"...

Erik O'Daniel

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:34:00 +0000
From: Don Grossman To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FORDTRUCKS
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ok ya'all here is my .02

I have been getting this list since the 400 member mark and it just hit the 500 yardline =-)

With 500 active subscribers ( I know about 100 are please unsubscribe me's) those of us who could put up a donation to keep the list going should and if you are a poor colege student you should be able to benifit from the list also. I don't know all of the work and expense that is involved and if $5 buck from 200 people would keep the list alive but I think I have gotten about 100 hours of library time of information and I think my time is valuable.

What I'm saying is where do I send the check?
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:32:56 -0700
From: "Jim" To:
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
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I just had the same symptoms with my truck! After a new battery, rebuilding the starter and the same thing happened again I decided to change the alternator. Removing the wires I found the Battery lead nut had backed off. That's why it was intermittent and putting my battery charger on 50 amp quick start would fire it up every time. Bad news was the arcing toasted the alternator and harness. I made a harness for it but forgot to splice in a wire for the voltage regulator, caused me to say things I didn't know what they mean! after all was said and done I had to confess it was my fault! When I ran a constant 12 volt wire for my amp I had removed the harness to hide the new wire (gots to look perdy!) when I put the wire back on the alternator I only put it on finger tight. The little red cap covered it up and I forgot all about it!

Could I have just said the wire was loose and that's what caused it? This confession thing is ruff!
Later!

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From: James A. Doty
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 1:12 PM

Hi there:

I don't know if it will help, but I had the same problem a couple of years ago
with my '75 E-150 with 302/C6.

At first I thought it was the battery because it usually only happened when it
was cold out.

I replaced the battery and shortly I was suffering the same problem (Again usually
when it was cold out.)

My girlfriend's dad came over with a new starter and we did the swap and the
problem went away.

Turned out that even though my starter was only a couple of years old the bearings
had gone out in it and it was drawing a lot more current than it should have when
rotating because of it.

Again, I don't know if this is your problem though.

At 12:11 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>
>
======================
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Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL


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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:34:45 -0400
From: JAMES
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it out) Message-ID:
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Your catalytic converters (2 inline)have heat sheilds spot-welded on both sides. Chances are good one or more welds has broken.Should be covered under warranty if you have 3-36 bumper to bumper.If not braze it or clamp it.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:16:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: splitting the group
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At 04:35 PM 4/25/97 +0000, you wrote:
-snip-
>
>Unless maintaing the single list is more expensive because of volume
>or something, I suggest keeping the list as is. I have a 56F100 and
>an 84 Bronco II. I'm mainly interested in stuff related to the 56
>truck, but many messages are more "theory" than specific info for a
>specific vehicle and if the list splits many will miss out on that
>info.
>
>With the digest it really isn't that hard to weed through and find
>good stuff. Scan the "contents" lists or just keep paging down until
>you find a good SUBJECT line.
>
>Also, the people who probably have the most knowledge will be split
>into two groups (unless they want to follow both lists) and, unless
>we follow both groups, we lose out.
>
>Erik O'Daniel
>

Erik, I was looking at the digests for today and yesterday. Seems that more then half the traffic concerns splitting the list, unsubscribes and donations. If we give the list a couple days to settle perhaps it won't get as much traffic. Whatever happens, the donations will go towards the list one way or another.



-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:31:18 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it out) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 09:33 AM 4/25/97 EDT, you wrote:
>
>
>I have been having a really loud zinging sound coming from my 95
>Ranger
>2.3L (5 spd standard) when I reach between 2100 to 2200 RPMs and only
>between these RPMs and it doesn't matter what gear I'm in. What the
>hell
>could it be?!?
>

I'm going to _attempt_ to help, but I'm going to need some help from the other list members. I don't have any 2.3L experience other than the old 2.3 4 banger used in Mavricks, Comets and Mustang IIs from the 70s. The problem with noises are the its damn near impossible to describe them with a keyboard.

First, can you reproduce it at a standstill? If so, can you get someone to get it to speed while you listen for a noise location? It could be your flywheel, timing chain (if it uses a belt I would not point to the belt as a cause) or any one of a bunch of other things. Does this noise happen in gear or out of gear? Does pushing the clutch in make a difference - this would be a _big_ clue. I've also seen alternators make whirring/zinging noise at certain speeds when they have bad bearings.

Give us as many possible insights as you can and one way or another we'll narrow it down.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it out) Message-ID:

I had one of the first Miatas, and it had a high frequency rattle which could be described as a 'zing' at ~2800, and it turned out to be the heat shield over the primary muffler. Get the vice grips out and tweak some of the seams, which seem to be just bent over on each other.

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:31:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) Message-ID:

Gears have a whole lot to do with what mileage you can squeeze out of a truck on the road. I had a 52 panel with a 289 two barrel, crashbox 4 spd (still have the adapter if anyone needs it), and a Chrysler 2.73 rear. 24mpg on the road, even with the barn door coefficient. On the other hand, my 56 panel with the 375hp 396 and original Ford 3.92 rear didn't do quite so well.
I haven't figured out what rear my current 51 F1 with a Merc flathead has, but I haven't dared run it over 50 mph yet, so it may be the 4.27 optional set. Mielage sucks, whichever rear it has.

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:31:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
Message-ID:

Pardon my ignorance of Ford particulars, and don''t get all bent out of shape because I mention Chevy, but ...
I had a really frustrating starting problem in my 56 F100 Panel, which caused me to do significant parts swapping, which I hate to do without really knowing what the problem is. Anyway, the 56 had a 396 in it (I didn't put it there, I got it that way), and there was a bushing in the bellhousing into which the end of the starter shaft fit. Mine was all worn out, and the high torque started really needed that support on the end of the shaft. It was a cheap fix, once someone clued me in.....

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