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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 69

Today's Topics:

Re: Once again, its an issue. -Reply ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: Electrical Problem ["James A. Doty" ]
where do we send the money? [stevefogarty ]
RE: Electrical Problem [mcat epix.net ]
Re: Unsubscibing Idiots -Reply [John Macnamara ]
RE: Electrical Problem [DC Beatty
F-250 w/302? [John Strauss
splitting the group ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Ken's honesty ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Re: FORDTRUCKS [Don Grossman ]
Re: Electrical Problem ["Jim" ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [JAMES ]
Re: splitting the group [Ken Payne ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [Ken Payne ]
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: Electrical Problem [JRFiero aol.com ]
Send Money To: ... [Randy Collins ]

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:05:15 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Once again, its an issue. -Reply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Ken:

I'd be willing to send a few bucks. Where do I send it?

-snipped to save bandwidth-
>My costs are:
>
>$140 for the first year per list (half that amount if we don't
> have digest - but I think digest format is a must)
>
>So total costs for two lists are:
> $84 + $140 = 224 one list
> $84 + $280 = 364 two lists
>One list: ~$0.45 per user per year average
>Two lists: ~$0.73 per user per year average
>

======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:12:12 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Electrical Problem
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Hi there:

I don't know if it will help, but I had the same problem a couple of years ago with my '75 E-150 with 302/C6.

At first I thought it was the battery because it usually only happened when it
was cold out.

I replaced the battery and shortly I was suffering the same problem (Again usually
when it was cold out.)

My girlfriend's dad came over with a new starter and we did the swap and the problem went away.

Turned out that even though my starter was only a couple of years old the bearings
had gone out in it and it was drawing a lot more current than it should have when
rotating because of it.

Again, I don't know if this is your problem though.

At 12:11 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant ( Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
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>
>
======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:41:00 -0400
From: stevefogarty
To: fordtrucks
Subject: where do we send the money?
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Once again, thanks to all, and I did the the list of suppliers printed.
Thanks, Ken.

This list is great for a novice like me, where do I send the money and to whom?

Thanks.

Steve Fogarty
77 F100

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 15:41:40 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Electrical Problem
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The first thing to check is the starter itself. If the battery runs down while cranking, the brushes are bad. I have had several ford starters do this. You can put in new brushes clean up the armeture and reinstall the thing. An old Motors Manual has the starter overhaul info in it. Also make sure the positive cable is not corrodid. check the ground cable from the engine to the frame. These steps should cure the slow turning of the starter. If you feel that you can`t re build the starter, than agood quality rebuilt starter would be in order. Watch the qualty, I once paid $75 on a so called rebuilt while on the road and 2 months later it self destructed. If all else fails $20 junk yard piece might be better.
Garry
--- On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Jesus Cardoso wrote:

>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant ( Power System Automation Lab)

> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 4/25/97 Time: 3:41:40 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:07:42 -0700
From: John Macnamara To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Unsubscibing Idiots -Reply Message-Id:
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PATRICK M MURPHY wrote:
>
> Hi fellow Ford fanatics,
>
> I am somewhat of a new Ford person, I have been amazed at the volume of mail
> that I now recieve. I have an 89 F-250 4x4 that has a 302 in it. The truck
> has 162,000 miles on it and the engine still runs fine with the exception of
> loss of power in 4th and 5th gear up inclines. I had a warped intake manifold
> that I took off and had shaved. This took care of several problems. But the
> loss of power has got me. I am going to do a compression test, a mechanic
> friend suggested it could be blow by that would cause pressure to build up in
> the crank case. I think the problem is timing and have been adjusting it a
> little at a time with success. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
> If my problem is compression ( the motor is getting long in tooth ) can I
> put a 351 in the truck. Also what is the 351M? Will it bolt up to my 5 speed
> tranny (Mazda HD). Thanks in advance.
>
> Pat Murphy
>
> Mechanic trapped in a
> Telcom Techs body
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
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Pat: The 351M is the smog motor for the 78 and later trucks. It won't bolt up to your tranny but the 351W will. Big improvement.

It's possible with 162,000 miles that your timing chain is real loose and this would retard your timing.

Thanks! John

78 Ford F250 4X4 Supercab
67 Gt500

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Date: 25 Apr 97 17:26:17 EDT
From: DC Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Electrical Problem
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I had the same problem 302 Maverick. The starter was just wasted and was pulling too much current out of the battery. Whenever it would get cold it would get worse. The battery just couldn't take the abuse.

Then one fine morning when it was 12 below zero the bendix in the starter finally grenaded. My breath froze into icicles on the car chassis. The nice thing was, when I slipped off a wrench and punched metal, I didn't feel it---my hands were too numb!!! I didn't even know I was bleeding!!!

If I were you Jesus I'd pop that starter and have it checked at least.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Hi there:

I don't know if it will help, but I had the same problem a couple of years ago with my '75 E-150 with 302/C6.

At first I thought it was the battery because it usually only happened when it
was cold out.

I replaced the battery and shortly I was suffering the same problem (Again usually
when it was cold out.)

My girlfriend's dad came over with a new starter and we did the swap and the problem went away.

Turned out that even though my starter was only a couple of years old the bearings
had gone out in it and it was drawing a lot more current than it should have when
rotating because of it.

Again, I don't know if this is your problem though.

At 12:11 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
> First of all I wanted to thank everyone for answering my question
>on the door locks.
>
> I need some more HELP!!!!!
> I am currently experiencing a problem with my ol' 63. Once again
>it has a 292 with a three speed manual tranny. The problem I am
>experiencing is kind of strange.....it has a hard time starting, by this I
>mean the starter seems to have a hard time turning. I replaced the
>starter relay, but it did not help. It only does this some of the time,
>but sometimes it completely drains the battey when I am trying to start
>it. When it does not drain the battery, I have about a 2 V drop at the
>battery when the starter is turning, which if I remember correctly Chilton
>says it should only be .5 V. When it does drain the battery I give a
>"jump" with another car and it starts right up. I know it seems kind of
>confusing, but believe me it is very frustrating to not know when it plans
>not to start. Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>p.s. The charging system is working fine.
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant ( ....

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