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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 67

Today's Topics:

Re: Muffler's [LenJG aol.com ]
FORDTRUCKS ["Jim" ]
Once again, its an issue. [Tkaczyk ]
FW: subscribe ["Blash Edward" ]
Re: Send A Buck? ["Malcolm O'Blenis"
Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it ou [silent.bob juno.com ]
Re: Helping out to defer admin costs [Gerald and Lisa Hoel
Vote and Cash Offer -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
SUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS ["Blash Edward" ]
FW: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS ["Blash Edward" ]
FW: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS ["Blash Edward" ]
Once again, its an issue. -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Re: Double the message (hey Ken Shou [silent.bob juno.com ]
Re: Send A Buck? -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
unsubscribe [BMLK737 aol.com ]
Send a buck jr [Michael & Linda Waak
Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure i [Michael & Linda Waak
Re: Send A Buck? [John Macnamara ]
Re: Once again, its an issue. ["James A. Doty" ]
split/money [Stuart Varner
351M Mileage Master [John Strauss
Stuid Stovebolts [John Strauss

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:47:05 -0400 (EDT) From: LenJG aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Muffler's
Message-ID:

Well My reference to the dual cats. was refering to stock cats. and yes I am sure they are very restricting but I definately felt the power difference in the seat of my pants just from removing the stock muffler. Yes there are high flow cats out there but at that time I did not have the cash to replace the whole exhaust system, but I am planing to do this in the near future. I will take out the two cats and put in 1 three stage cat with the air injection port so it will be legal. (acording to the local EPA in my area) They even told me that I could run dual exhaust as long as it has the three stage cats on both pipes with air injection into both and can provide either a single source for the O2 sensor or put a sensor in each pipe as long as it reads from both sides of the engine. Which I will probably do as Ford did and put a small pipe between the two pipes with the O2 sensor bung in it. Of course this will all be of the freest flowing cats, a moderate size exhaust tubing, and a good set of equal lengh heade
rs. This should free up a few pony's and provide a little more torque to the rear wheels. By the way this is all on my '92 F-150 S.C. 4X4 302.
P.S. my appologize for the long message but I get a little carried away when I start talking about my truck, it is my pride and joy.
Len

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:47:38 -0700
From: "Jim" To:
Subject: FORDTRUCKS
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm having a little trouble with m ISP so sorry if this is old but I wanted to say something about fordtrucks list! This isn't just junk email this is a Club, it has to be I feel I'm in one! I'm 42 so I'm not quite ready for the home but I have been around the block a few times! You can teach an old dog new tricks I've learned more online in the last to years than the 40 before with my face in manuals. That makes this list valuable.
When I was putting my truck back together I had inadvertently failed (forgot, OK!) to mark where the vacuum lines went for my transmission. I posted it and received an email saying if I hadn't received an answer he would go uncover three feet of snow off his truck and look for me (I'm making more of a point on the snow than he did!)! That makes closer than just people with an interest in Ford Trucks we're a Club! We help one another, we share our lives and our lives are enriched by it!
I only know Ken by this list, as with each one of you, we range from miles to thousands of miles away from each other and yet we're in each others homes every night! Ken has foot the bill for this whole thing! I believe he's done this because he finds the information of value and the friendships invaluable!
Up till now what we have is from the contributions of one man, who is giving us the opportunity to have the resources of hundreds of people! Can you imagine what we could available to us?
You can count me in Ford Truckers I've received enough from you to feel I owe some dues!




Jim Strigas jstrigas worldnet.att.net
"73" Ford F100 (piece a %*&#^ Love it, I Just Love it!) "83" Yamaha XJ900RK (Best Gift of my life! From my best friends! RSCL) "86" Honda GoldWing GL1200 (OK, this part goes here, and this... this... I think goes on the truck.)
"77" Buick EstateWagon (New to the barn. And Beast of Immense Magnitude!) "89" Ford Aerostar (The Wife's.)
These are "The Good Old Days"!
Be Cool Daddy-O B-)>

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:01:57 -0400
From: Tkaczyk
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Once again, its an issue.
Message-ID:
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Hi Ken, Charlie and Everyone,

I vote for splitting the list, and would be happy to contribute for the expenses. One question Ken - what's the rationale for the pre/post 1980 split? Thanks for all your hard work: this forum is excellent.

Gary in Connecticut

55 F100 (being restored now)
84 BroncoII
85 BroncoII

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 9:10 -0500
From: "Blash Edward"
To: fordtrucks-request lofcom.com, fordtrucks lofcom.com Subject: FW: subscribe
Message-ID:

SIRS/LADIES:


Please remove my name immediately from your e-mail. Thank You.



Respectfully,

ED BLASH
----------
From: Blash Edward
To: fordtrucks
Subject: subscribe
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 4:51PM

Please remove my name from the Ford Truck mailing list.


ED BLASH

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:15:39 -0300
From: "Malcolm O'Blenis" To:
Subject: Re: Send A Buck?
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hey Ken,
I'm in the same predicament, I am a college student also(broke!!).........however this list is great and I have got some very valuable info from it and all the users. I am planning on being employed in the near future and would love to contribute some cash when I have some..........this "fee" when and if implemented will be an investment of knowledge for me not an expense.
Keep up the good work Ken and Charlie and anyone else that has a hand in on the administration of this list. Just let me know where and when to send some money.


Now, I have a question about seats for my 79 F150.........................does anyone know what kind of seats(60/40 split, buckets) would look great and are comfortable for a pick-up?? I have seen Aerostar buckets in a 79 f150 and they look half decent but I would like to get some feedback and see if there are any different seats that I have not considered.
Thanks for all your help in advance! See ya!

Mac
79 F150 Custom 302/C4

----------
> From: Jason C Wodack
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: Send A Buck?
> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 9:36 PM
>
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> > All of us who have been around the internet and on usenet for a while
> > have seen this crap of some slob asking all of us to send him a buck to
> > help him out.
> >
> > Well we have a pretty good thing here and if its time to put up or shut up
> > I say WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY?
> >
> > We enjoy the fruit of Ken and Charlie's labor and if Ken needs our help
> > to keep it going I'm in.
> >
> > M
> I want everyone to know how much I enjoy this list. I learn a lot in
> here, and I would hate to loose it, although I will during summers
> when I'm not at school, and if I weren't a college student (ie broke)
> I would more than happily send any money I could spare in order to
> keep the info comming someone said it earlier this week knowledge is
> power, and the knowledge I've gotten from this maillist is more than
> I ever expected to know about Fords in my life. I guess what I'm
> saying is THANKS KEN AND CHARLIE!! and If I ever get money that I
> can spare you know where it's going.
>
> Jason Wodack
> '84 Bronco II
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
> For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:33:00 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it out) Message-ID:

I have been having a really loud zinging sound coming from my 95 Ranger
2.3L (5 spd standard) when I reach between 2100 to 2200 RPMs and only between these RPMs and it doesn't matter what gear I'm in. What the hell
could it be?!?

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:36:16 -0400
From: Gerald and Lisa Hoel To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Helping out to defer admin costs....My $.02 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a complicated issue. If we had been asked to 'donate' money when we first joined, we would have left b/c we would not have had a chance to see what an invaluable resource this forum is.

We have only just begun our exploration into the world of 'home mechanics' and still have a lot to learn. This list is one of the most helful and satisfying places we have to come for advice/opinion. It would be well worth it to us to send a couple dollars to keep this list going and to help Ken in any other way possible!

We should be so lucky to have a forum like this for our other vehicle.
We can only speak for ourselves, but anyone else who gets a lot from this list, ask yourself what it is worth to you to keep it going?

Jerry & Lisa
'77 F-150 Ranger 4x4 (351M .060 and PROUD OF IT!!!)

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:40:50 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Vote and Cash Offer -Reply
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

>>> Randy Collins 04/24/97 11:41pm >>>
>Ken,

>I would like to change my vote of a few weeks ago from no to yes. I vote for the split!
>The mail volume is overwhelming. Besides if the post 80's are archived a fella could always
>do a search.

>I vote no for the requirement of a membership for the mail list. Voluntary donations are
>the way to go.

>I have written to you before with the offer of a help of a few bucks to help minimize the
>costs. Please reply to this post with your address so I can send a donation.

>Thanks again, the mail list is awesome.

>Randy Collins
>Boise, Idaho
>rcollins micron.net

>1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces)
>Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
>F250 4WD 460 C-6


Thanks for your support!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

In addition to the split I found a new web host who can handle the volume the site generates - total cost $25 a year for 100mbytes/days bandwidth. Last night a couple of offers came in to pay for the web site so it will soon move to the new host (2-3 weeks).





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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:19 -0500
From: "Blash Edward"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: SUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS
Message-ID:

PLEASE REMOVE MY NAME ASAP FROM YOUR E-MAIL LISTING. MANY THANKS.



ED BLASH (BLASHE BAH.COM)

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:43 -0500
From: "Blash Edward"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: FW: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS
Message-ID:

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From: Blash Edward
To: unsubscribe ford truck
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS
Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 10:15AM


PLEASE REMOVE MY NAME ASAP FROM YOUR E-MAIL LISTING. MANY THANKS.



ED BLASH (BLASHE BAH.COM)

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:43 -0500
From: "Blash Edward"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: FW: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS
Message-ID:

----------
From: Blash Edward
To: unsubscribe ford truck
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS
Date: Friday, April 25, 1997 10:15AM


PLEASE REMOVE MY NAME ASAP FROM YOUR E-MAIL LISTING. MANY THANKS.



ED BLASH (BLASHE BAH.COM)

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:26:40 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Once again, its an issue. -Reply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

>>> Tkaczyk 04/25/97 07:01am >>>
>Hi Ken, Charlie and Everyone,

>I vote for splitting the list, and would be happy to contribute for the
>expenses. One question Ken - what's the rationale for the pre/post 1980
>split? Thanks for all your hard work: this forum is excellent.

> Gary in Connecticut
>
>55 F100 (being restored now)
>84 BroncoII
>85 BroncoII

Gary, you should (actually everyone will) receive my address in a post I made a short while ago. I meant to send someone a private email concerning a donation and I sent it to the list by mistake.
Send whatever you feel is fair.

As to pre 1980/post 1980. In 1980 the models changed over. At this time the F100 was fazed out (I think it did survive as late as 83) in favor of the F150 because of smog laws. The 1980+ trucks are also considered by many the "modern" trucks while the 1979- are not. Example, although the bodies of 67-72 trucks are different from 73-79 the frames and drive-trains are quite similar. Parts from 80+ don't always bolt on while parts from 79- do.

Also, another reason is that we have to split it at some year model point so why not at a model changeover year? Personnally, if the list splits, I will receive pre-1980 in standard format and 1980+ in digest. I will participate in both groups, mostly pre 1980.
I'm sure many others will choose to subscribe to both lists. By getting the list that is less relavent to you in digest format you can reduce your email clutter quite a bit.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:27:50 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Double the message (hey Ken Should this happen) Message-ID:

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:45:39 -0500 Daver writes:
>Ken:
>
>On certain messages I seem to be getting duplicates. Any bodyelse
>seeing this?
>
>
>Molater
>
>Daver


yup, but it doest bother me.

Robert

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:32:02 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Send A Buck? -Reply
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

>>> "Malcolm O'Blenis" 04/25/97 08:15am >>>
>Hey Ken,
> I'm in the same predicament, I am a college student
>also(broke!!).........however this list is great and I have got some very
>valuable info from it and all the users. I am planning on being employed
>in the near future and would love to contribute some cash when I have
>some..........this "fee" when and if implemented will be an investment of
>knowledge for me not an expense.
> Keep up the good work Ken and Charlie and anyone else that has a hand in
>on the administration of this list. Just let me know where and when to
>send some money.

Send whatever you feel is fair. If its only a couple of bucks it will still help. My address is in another post. If you can't afford to send, don't worry about it.

>Now, I have a question about seats for my 79
>F150.........................does anyone know what kind of seats(60/40
>split, buckets) would look great and are comfortable for a pick-up?? I
>have seen Aerostar buckets in a 79 f150 and they look half decent but I
>would like to get some feedback and see if there are any different seats
>that I have not considered.
>Thanks for all your help in advance! See ya!

>Mac
>79 F150 Custom 302/C4

Wish I could help you with the question, I'm in the same boat. I've heard that any 67-79 Ford truck seats are compatible - don't know for sure. I'm looking into getting some electric seats out of a full size 70's car. I'll let everyone know if they'll work without much work.

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BMLK737 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID:

UNSUBCRIBE

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:17:54 -1200
From: Michael & Linda Waak To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Send a buck jr
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello Everybody,

I guess the purpose of my message last night was not to hear from every poor college student on the list but to let Ken know that those of us who use the list and CAN AFFORD IT should and will help defer the cost.

The idea behind "Send a buck" was to be able to include everybody ($1.00 + .32 stamp) in this scheme and to let Ken know that he's not alone in this venture.

I am sorry if I hurt any feelings but thats my story and I'm stickin to it

M

As for the unsubscribe BS, 5 by 8:00 pst, A NEW RECORD!

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:20:33 -1200
From: Michael & Linda Waak To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Ziiiinnnnnnnngggg (cant figure it out) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I have been having a really loud zinging sound coming from my 95
>Ranger
>2.3L (5 spd standard) when I reach between 2100 to 2200 RPMs and only
>between these RPMs and it doesn't matter what gear I'm in. What the
>hell
>could it be?!?
>
You should check the heat shields on the cat and the rest of the exhaust system.

M

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:21:09 -0700
From: John Macnamara To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Send A Buck?
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Malcolm O'Blenis wrote:
>
> Hey Ken,
> I'm in the same predicament, I am a college student
> also(broke!!).........however this list is great and I have got some very
> valuable info from it and all the users. I am planning on being employed
> in the near future and would love to contribute some cash when I have
> some..........this "fee" when and if implemented will be an investment of
> knowledge for me not an expense.
> Keep up the good work Ken and Charlie and anyone else that has a hand in
> on the administration of this list. Just let me know where and when to
> send some money.
>
> Now, I have a question about seats for my 79
> F150.........................does anyone know what kind of seats(60/40
> split, buckets) would look great and are comfortable for a pick-up?? I
> have seen Aerostar buckets in a 79 f150 and they look half decent but I
> would like to get some feedback and see if there are any different seats
> that I have not considered.
> Thanks for all your help in advance! See ya!
>
> Mac
> 79 F150 Custom 302/C4
>
> ----------
> > From: Jason C Wodack
> > To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> > Subject: Re: Send A Buck?
> > Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 9:36 PM
> >
> > > Hey Folks,
> > >
> > > All of us who have been around the internet and on usenet for a while
> > > have seen this crap of some slob asking all of us to send him a buck to
> > > help him out.
> > >
> > > Well we have a pretty good thing here and if its time to put up or shut
> up
> > > I say WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY?
> > >
> > > We enjoy the fruit of Ken and Charlie's labor and if Ken needs our help
> > > to keep it going I'm in.
> > >
> > > M
> > I want everyone to know how much I enjoy this list. I learn a lot in
> > here, and I would hate to loose it, although I will during summers
> > when I'm not at school, and if I weren't a college student (ie broke)
> > I would more than happily send any money I could spare in order to
> > keep the info comming someone said it earlier this week knowledge is
> > power, and the knowledge I've gotten from this maillist is more than
> > I ever expected to know about Fords in my life. I guess what I'm
> > saying is THANKS KEN AND CHARLIE!! and If I ever get money that I
> > can spare you know where it's going.
> >
> > Jason Wodack
> > '84 Bronco II
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
> > For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
> > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
> For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com
> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com

Malcolm: I installed a set of buckets, in my 78 4x4, with electric lumbar out of a mid 90's Ford truck. The left side went in ok but the right side needed some fabrication.

Thanks! John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:24:49 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Once again, its an issue.
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Ken:

I get a lot of useful information from this list and wouldn't mind paying a small sum to keep it alive.

If we split the list how much per person are you looking at?

>Today we received 4 digests at approx 30k each. List activity is
>enormous. I would like to suggest to the list that if this kind
>of activity continues for more than a week that we vote on a split
>again. If a split (pre 1980 and post 1980) does occur, I will have
>to ask for donations to pay for the second list. Total cost is $25
>for the 1st 3 months and $15 every 3 months there after. I would
>prefer to pay for a year all at once so I wouldn't have to beg for
>money every 3 months. Total yearly cost for additional list is:
>$70. I think that between 500+ users we can manage to come up with
>it. Naturally, this would be voluntary - no one will be compelled
>to pay, but if we can't come up with $70, no second list. Users
>would be welcome to join one or both lists.

======================
James A. Doty
Assistant Web Master
jamesd e-z.net
E-Z Net, Inc.
209 NE 120th. Ave., Suite B
Vancouver, WA 98684
(360) 260-1122
KI7EL

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:42:13 -0700
From: Stuart Varner To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: split/money
Message-id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

I have been a subcriber for 9 days now.....how awesome it is to have a place for fanatical Ford gear heads to get together and talk about it all. The wealth of knowledge I have garnered in the few days has been very useful and valueable for me. Thanks Ken and Charlie.

Thoughts on the pre post 80 split

I wasn't around when we had the first nuclear reactor melt down with the split (pre-post 80) question. I am selfish and feel the split would have benefitted me greatly......My Ford dealer generally handles all problems which are computer related, etc.(1989 Merc Gr. Marq and 95 Special Service Crown Vic) ....I intern handle ALL problems on my 71 F-100. The learning that can take place for a ME in a forum of carbs, FE's, 429/460, 351-400M, is unsurpassed. I let the dealer take care of the tech stuff - except simple mechanicals - on the new FORDS. My life is too full of other things that make their way on the honeydo list I feel I should devote most of my spare time to working soley on my old soldier(71 F-100)...thus I would like for each to think carefully when the vote comes up.......I skip over the computer problems etc. that are brought up in discussion.
because they are of little to no value to me. This is a world of individulas. Assess your needs and act accordingly. Sorry you had to listen to my lobbying!!!

MONEY MONEY MONEY

Find it in your heart to cough up a buck or two. I am giving, It won't hurt that bad,
just a can or two of Copenhagen....I am a poor school teacher with a 15 month old and another due in 6 days. We are going to install a water filter....hope that will cure the pregnancy problem.......I spend $ 235.00 per month in diapers and formula......well, you get the idea.
Thanks for you all you do Ken, your wife, and Charlie...

NUKE GM!
Stu
71 F-100 4x4

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:07:08 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: 351M Mileage Master
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> > We just put a grand into rebuilding our Modified and she is a sweet
> > piece of machinery for us and so is the gas mileage (20mpg) so you
> > testosterone filled Rolex carrying fuel suckers who need to have speed
> > can just shove your accelerator through the floor burn rubber and keep
> > going 'cause I got no use for any of you!And while you stop at the gas
> > station 10 miles down the road we'll wave to you as we pass on by and
> > keep TRUCKIN......

If you can make a '77 Ford with a V8 of any size get 20MPG you should probably go into business and I'll be happy to have you work over my 302 equipped F150 as your first client.

I am glad that your 351M is working so well for you but even you would have to admit it is a little unusual. The gripes about the M do get watered down to "it's a slug" or "those things suck" or whatever, but I do think, yours notwithstanding, the complaints center on this engine's use of fuel vs. the power it produces. Heck, I've got the same complaint about my 302 but it's got 150K on it and I'd drive it across the country tomorrow without a second thought. Ford V8s in general are not usually noted for their MPG.

Could you elaborate on what mods were done to the engine and how it is setup now to acheive such great mileage? I know many M owners would be interested to learn your secret(s).


John

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:56:26 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: Stuid Stovebolts
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>In my case the only big grudge (I have lots of small ones) I have
>against Ch*vys is the attitude the "enthusiasts" have about any
>Ford stuff. Face it, the 350 is not a bad piece of hardware (also
>makes a great boat anchor) but the owners are such bigoted pain in
>the *sses that I could never own one myself. Besides, I happen to
>like Ford hardware (alot) and styling so why go elsewhere?
>
And I thought I was the only one. I think the Chevy guys are very uninventive. Hell, anybody can slap a set of headers on a 350 and go fast.
But look at your hidden costs. Those things lose valve guides like there is no tomorrow. The Chevy small block is the Holley carburetor of engines - great out of the box, makes the most power, but replace them often and if you have to rebuild it's all over. The quintessential throwaway motor.
You are right - those folks think their crap is so hot but most wouldn't have the first screaming idea how to make a Ford go fast.

>What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old
>piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.
>
Yep, me too. When I go to a car show I pretty much only look at the Fords and the first thing I check is the engine. If I see Chevy I'm on to the next candidate - I don't care what the rest of it looks like. I know some of these cars have a lot of love thrown into them and maybe I should appreciate that but, I'm sorry, I'm just not interested.

Mind you, my disdain pretty much only extends to Chevrolet (there, I spelled the whole thing and the server didn't go down). I like the old Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs and Buicks a lot. 442, GTO, GSX - those were cool cars. But when GM started mixing the bloodlines by putting Chevy engines in everything, the party was over. I worked at an Olds dealership in those days and the mechanics were PISSED over that because they had never seen the volume of engine failures under warranty that they had to deal with now. The Olds 307 was specifically built by Olds to cut down on warranty engine repairs from the Chevy 305s they had been using. I don't have first hand knowledge of this because we didn't sell 'em but the Pontiac 301 may have come about for the same reason. Buick just turbo'd the 231 V6 and picked up the Pontiac 301 as their response. The bottom line is the BOP guys tried to get the Chevies OUT of their cars before GM cut their engine development budgets so far that they couldn't do it anymore. THATS wha....


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