Return-Path: From: fordtrucks-digest-request lofcom.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: t3.media3.net: lof set sender to fordtrucks-digest-request lofcom.com using -f Subject: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #16 X-Loop: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/16 To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
Reply-To: fordtrucks lofcom.com

------------------------------

Content-Type: text/plain

fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 66

Today's Topics:

Re: Jane, stop this crazy thing... [Ken Payne ]
Re: Muffler's ["Jim" ]
Re: new engine break in [Daver ]
Re: new engine break in [Daver ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Daver ]
Double the message (hey Ken Should t [Daver ]
F.S. '88 Ranger/ Bronco II Shop Manua [Randy Collins ]
Re: new engine break in [JIM HURD ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Ken Payne ]
Re: Jane, stop this crazy thing... [Charlie Summers
Re: Double the message (hey Ken Shou [Ken Payne ]
Once again, its an issue. [Ken Payne ]
ADMINISTRIVIA (Was: Re: Double the m [Charlie Summers
Re: new engine break in ["Kimo Owens" ]
Re: new engine break in [Wyteye aol.com ]
Helping out to defer admin costs.... ["Eric and/or Denise"
Brain-dead Unsubscribers!!! ["Eric and/or Denise"
'65 F100 for sale ["Eric and/or Denise"
Re: new engine break in [William Sabers
Re: new engine break in [Wyteye aol.com ]
Send A Buck? [Michael & Linda Waak
Vote and Cash Offer [Randy Collins ]
Re: Send A Buck? ["Jason C Wodack"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:48:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Jane, stop this crazy thing...
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 04:15 PM 4/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Well, I'm getting a little annoyed by the people who won't read the
>user info for this group.
>
>Ken: I think you mentioned that you had somehow filtered out all the
>"unsubscribe me" messages, possibly you should add "desubscribe" and
>"desub" to that filter because they seem to have coined a new term...
>
>>Subject: Re:desub
>
>If it ain't one thing, it's another...
>
>Erik O'Daniel
>

You're right. The problem with trying to make software foolproof is the fact that fools can be so damned ingenious!

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:52:32 -0700
From: "Jim" To:
Subject: Re: Muffler's
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From: LenJG aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Muffler's
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 5:43 PM



>The reason the glass packs aren't that loud is the dual
> catalytic converters that are right behind the Y pipe, they do a good job of
>quieting the exhaust noise.

How much do the cats effect flow? Are there high flow cats? When I drove down to get my turbo mufflers installed on the truck, sounded like rolling thunder! But that was straight off the shorties. I would like to put a cutout on the right side, just to set car alarms off! "/



Jim Strigas jstrigas worldnet.att.net
"73" Ford F100 (piece a %*&#^ Love it, I Just Love it!) "83" Yamaha XJ900RK (Best Gift of my life! From my best friends! RSCL) "86" Honda GoldWing GL1200 (OK, this part goes here, and this... this... I think goes on the truck.)
"77" Buick EstateWagon (New to the barn. And Beast of Immense Magnitude!) "89" Ford Aerostar (The Wife's.)
These are "The Good Old Days"!
Be Cool Daddy-O B-)>


____________________________________________________________________ Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ For help send mail with subject "HELP" to:fordtrucks-request lofcom.com Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:05:34 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> We have just completed reinstallation of our 351M .060 since rebuild.
> Anybody with some helpful hints on breaking in, what to do/what not to
> do... please share!!! Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry & Lisa


Several folks out there are going to feel the twitch to respond but here goes (Keep in mind I like race engines). I always do these things on first crank 1) use an old oil shaft and prime the system ( I do not turn the engine over at this time to avoid losing cam lube off the lobes) 2) emediatly after priming I have the wife cranke it and watch the RPM gauge ( bring it up to between 1500 and 2000 RPM and hold that for about 10 minutes (this avoids wiping a lobe)) 3) after Hi RPM run I bring it down to 800 or so RPM's and cover the radiator with a single piece of card board and get the temp to 200 deg and regulating with the card board hold it there for fifteen +/- minutes then shut it down let it cool off then repeat the heat up (usually twice more) then change the oil befor the vehical moves.

Now with all that out of the way. I'm sure (could be wrong) that you are not to far over stock valve seat pressure and that you are not running moly rings so the above will probably be a little much. Prime the engine start it maintain a good solid idle and bring it to operating temp. let the engine run for about 15 to 20 minute shut it down and change the oil and filter (some folk will argue that this is a premature oil change; however, if there is any thing that is floating about (grit,shavings ect...) I like the get them out as soon as possible.
Drive the vehical as normal Excluding any stinuos task for +/- 1500 miles chang the oil and filter again and you are ready to race.

Molater

Daver

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:35:14 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> Thank you William for the note on the 351M. I am just about tired of
> everyone banging on the modified & calling it junk. Our philosophy is if
> it works for YOU than it is the best for YOU. Anyone who thinks the
> modified is a slug/piece of crap or otherwise worthless garbage well
> kiss my a %!!!
>
> We just put a grand into rebuilding our Modified and she is a sweet
> piece of machinery for us and so is the gas mileage (20mpg) so you
> testosterone filled Rolex carrying fuel suckers who need to have speed
> can just shove your accelerator through the floor burn rubber and keep
> going 'cause I got no use for any of you!And while you stop at the gas
> station 10 miles down the road we'll wave to you as we pass on by and
> keep TRUCKIN......

Sorry you feel that way. every one has thier preferences. I like FE's And doesn't alwas trip peoples trigers either. People that run HiPro are generally good the ask about things because they are hard to a fault on parts and if a certain part is breakable we'll find it more often than not.

Not all of us Knock the 351M/400. I personally recognize them as good solid equipment. Folks some people look for adversity and unrest and it is to bad because we're here to try to help each other and this type crap damages those efforts. If you do not like something simple say I do not and leave it at that. Some of you guys sound like Chevy owners.

>
> I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
> but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
> slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
> all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
> there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?
>
> Jerry & Lisa
> '77 F-150 Ranger with a 351M .060 and PROUD OF IT!!!

There are many ways to do a particular task 99% of them work 50 % are desirable 10% are the best.

Molater

Daver

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:39:24 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in -Reply Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>
> What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old
> piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.
>

Yea but there are more chevys out there with 9" ford rear ends than there are fords with Chevy 350's.

Molater

Daver

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:45:39 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Double the message (hey Ken Should this happen) Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ken:

On certain messages I seem to be getting duplicates. Any bodyelse seeing this?


Molater

Daver

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:17:54 -0600
From: Randy Collins To: "'FORDTRUCKS'" Subject: F.S. '88 Ranger/ Bronco II Shop Manuals Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

I bought some seats for my project truck from a fella in the LA area = that has a set of Helm shop manuals for sale. The manuals cover the = 1988 Ranger and Bronco II. They contain information on service guide, = elec & vacuum troubleshooting and wiring diagrams. The new cost was = $109 he is asking $40. =20

If you are interested , contact:

Mark Wilcox

UNICARE/Cost Care
660 Newport Center Drive Suite 600
Newport Beach, CA 92660
(714)729-4500/(800)451-0000 ext 3741
Email: mwillcox costcare.com



Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford Supercab Longbed Muscle Truck (mostly in pieces) Soon to have the following Randy installed options: F250 4WD 460 C-6

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: JIM HURD To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in
Message-id: Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

My experience is that decelerating helps cool and lube the rings.

TO seat the rings (especially if you are running chrome rings), after the engine has seen 50/100 miles, you need to do a few _short_ WOT runs, say from 2000 to 3000 RPM, and then decelerate. THe WOT combustion pressure puts extra pressure on the rings, forcing them into the cylinder walls. Then the deceleration flushes them with oil, cleaning out the crosshatches and cooling the rings. _Then_ its time to change the oil.

This thread is probably one of those "religious" issues

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:59:04 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in -Reply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 09:39 PM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>>
>> What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old
>> piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.
>>
>
>Yea but there are more chevys out there with 9" ford rear ends than
>there are fords with Chevy 350's.
>
>Molater
>
>Daver
>

Serves em right. I saw a racing Mustang on the back of a trailer the other day that said "I wish I was a Chevy" on the back! Shows that even the Ch*vy guys know where to go to win a race!

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:58:52 -0400
From: Charlie Summers To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Jane, stop this crazy thing...
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 9:48 PM -0400 4/24/97, Ken Payne is rumored to have typed:

> You're right. The problem with trying to make software foolproof
> is the fact that fools can be so damned ingenious!

Or, every time I try to make something idiot-proof, I find a bigger idiot.

Charlie

---------------------------------------------------------------------- L.O.F. Communications charlie lofcom.com
Web, Email Services And More! Email info lofcom.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:00:05 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Double the message (hey Ken Should this happen) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 09:45 PM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken:
>
>On certain messages I seem to be getting duplicates. Any bodyelse
>seeing this?
>
>
>Molater
>
>Daver
>
>

Yes, its the people posting the messages. I'm going to check into it. Everyone please make sure you're not 'cc' ing an extra copy of your posts to the list.
....

---

To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.