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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 65

Today's Topics:

Re: new engine break in [Gardner ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Jane, stop this crazy thing... ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
RE: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460 [Tim & Jolee Hann
slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Eric Houkal ]
Re: Obsolete FORD Parts [Larry Brown ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Gardner ]
Re: new engine break in [Steve & Rockette
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Steve & Rockette
Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Randy Zeilinger
Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Don Grossman ]
Test message; ignore... [Charlie Summers
RE: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Eric Houkal ]
Re: '63 Door Lock Question [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: Build sheet request - add'l info [JRFiero aol.com ]



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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:34:36 -0500
From: Gardner
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Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> Thank you William for the note on the 351M. I am just about tired of
> everyone banging on the modified & calling it junk. Our philosophy is if
> it works for YOU than it is the best for YOU. Anyone who thinks the
> modified is a slug/piece of crap or otherwise worthless garbage well
> kiss my a %!!!
>
> We just put a grand into rebuilding our Modified and she is a sweet
> piece of machinery for us and so is the gas mileage (20mpg) so you
> testosterone filled Rolex carrying fuel suckers who need to have speed
> can just shove your accelerator through the floor burn rubber and keep
> going 'cause I got no use for any of you!And while you stop at the gas
> station 10 miles down the road we'll wave to you as we pass on by and
> keep TRUCKIN......
>
> I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
> but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
> slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
> all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
> there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?
>
> Jerry & Lisa
> '77 F-150 Ranger with a 351M .060 and PROUD OF IT!!!
>
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> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.comI agree with you very much so! I have never seen a 460 come even close in the gas mileage situation! We are all on the same side here! Go pick on that neighbor with the sick 305 or 350!

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:37:18 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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>>> Gerald and Lisa Hoel 04/24/97 04:18pm >>>
>I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
>but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
>slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
>all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
>there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?

In my case the only big grudge (I have lots of small ones) I have against Ch*vys is the attitude the "enthusiasts" have about any Ford stuff. Face it, the 350 is not a bad piece of hardware (also makes a great boat anchor) but the owners are such bigoted pain in the *sses that I could never own one myself. Besides, I happen to like Ford hardware (alot) and styling so why go elsewhere?

What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:15:29 +0000
From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Jane, stop this crazy thing...
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Well, I'm getting a little annoyed by the people who won't read the user info for this group.

Ken: I think you mentioned that you had somehow filtered out all the "unsubscribe me" messages, possibly you should add "desubscribe" and "desub" to that filter because they seem to have coined a new term...

>Subject: Re:desub

If it ain't one thing, it's another...

Erik O'Daniel

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:07:18 -0700
From: Tim & Jolee Hann To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460
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351m is a slug and the 400 is not much better. You have a limited range = of what you can do to a 351m/400. It maybe a good torque engine but it = is no comparisen to the 460 ,429. You tons more torque tons more hp and = unlimited parts and configs to chose from or make. 351m/400 you can port = the heads and put a 4bbl on it, oh ya do a cam, and you got an engine = with rumpy rump at an idle and a gas bill to go with it. With a 460/429 = you can do pistons, heads, cams, cranks, rods, manifolds, shall I go on. = At least with a 460/429 you will know why you spend alot of time at the = pump, its called POWER!!!!!!
The 351m/400 will not produce the kind of power that a 460/429 can or = torque.
The longivity of a 460 is super, where I work we have a fleet of E350 = vans with 460's and the lowest milage one we have has over 250k and up = to all most 400k. No engine has been changed yet. at 200k we rolled in a = set of rods and mains and a timing chain. Couldnt see why we need to = change the bearings but we did. I have never, and I mean never seen a = 351m/400 go as far as these 460's.

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From: John Strauss[SMTP:jstrauss inetport.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 8:00 AM To: Ford Trucks List
Subject: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460

William Sabers wrote:

>Saying the 351M is a slug is like saying all Harley's leak oil.....

You mean they don't? 8^)

> Of course, the 460 is going to give better power for the Cubic
>Inch freaks out there. If it is in your budget.... go for it! If not, = a
>400 or 351M may be cheaper to aquire and about the same to rebuild.
> The question I have is.... "are you going to need the x-tra that
>the 460 gives, if not, go with what is cheaper to get into." That is, = of
>course, unless testostrone has anything to do with it.....! Then the = 460
>wins!
> I am in the same boat, deciding to sell-off my 400 for a 460. I
>have a spare 400 from another 78 Bronco (for parts or rebuild). Life = is
>full of all sorts of heated questions...
>
>Wsabers

William, you must not be on the Big Bronco list, huh? You'd never get = away
with a statement like that on that list - the BBB club would be all over = you.
Those guys would have you believe the 460 cures the common cold and promotes world peace like Gandhi. But, if I had a truck with a 351M, = I'd
be looking 460. Now with the 400, it's a closer contest. The 400 makes very good torque - I particularly remember a '77 F250 fire truck used at = a
VFD where many of my kinfolks live that consistently blew the doors off = the
other fire truck, a '78 Chevy C30 w/350 and got better gas mileage while loaded. These trucks carried some 500 gallons of water each plus all = the
gear and the Ford was much less labored by the load. This really = torqued
the VFD guys who were almost exclusively Chevy guys. They only took the Ford because it was donated.

Anyway, I make my remarks based on stock engine comparison. Any engine = can
be made to do more than it was originally designed for, but now were are talking money. If you want to bolt in stock power, natch the 460 can't = be
beat. But what makes the 460 really attractive vs. the 351M or 400 is = that
it doesn't carry the usual BBB penalties. It's weight and MPG are comparable and many times better than the M it would replace. Those BBB guys must be getting thru to me I guess.

John


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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:58:19 -0500
From: Eric Houkal
To: "'fordtrucks'" Subject: slow boat from Ohio pt2
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Well, I don't know if I should be happy or even madder. After a couple = of hours on the phone to various places in Ohio, I finally found my = truck. It was sitting in a parking lot in Elyria, Ohio. Had been, in = fact, sitting there since the middle of March. Seems the people who = install the bins/racks for Ford are "a little behind".=20 New delivery date? If we rush things, end of May, per FoMoCo.
Well, that's not gonna cut it. My old truck's trans is gone and I'm out = of business. The nice lady from Ford said she'd see what she could do. = Well, she called today, the truck has been completed and I should have = it by next week. I think this is great, she really came through for me, = and any company willing to do this for a customer should be lauded. = Unfortunately, I keep coming back to the question of why this happened = in the first place, and how many sales have they lost due to the delays? = The seat thing is understandable and forgiveable, but that truck sat in = a parking lot for over a month after the seats were installed, and would = have sat for another month had I not chased it down myself.( I can't = wait to see the phone bill) Although the long wait is not directly due = to Ford, it seems to me that if demand is exceeding supply by that wide = a margin it is their responsibility to their customers and shareholders = to find another outfitter to complete the work, not to put endless = de....

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