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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 65

Today's Topics:

Re: new engine break in [Gardner ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Jane, stop this crazy thing... ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
RE: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460 [Tim & Jolee Hann
slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Eric Houkal ]
Re: Obsolete FORD Parts [Larry Brown ]
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Gardner ]
Re: new engine break in [Steve & Rockette
Re: new engine break in -Reply [Steve & Rockette
Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Randy Zeilinger
Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Don Grossman ]
Test message; ignore... [Charlie Summers
RE: slow boat from Ohio pt2 [Eric Houkal ]
Re: '63 Door Lock Question [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: Build sheet request - add'l info [JRFiero aol.com ]



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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:34:36 -0500
From: Gardner
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> Thank you William for the note on the 351M. I am just about tired of
> everyone banging on the modified & calling it junk. Our philosophy is if
> it works for YOU than it is the best for YOU. Anyone who thinks the
> modified is a slug/piece of crap or otherwise worthless garbage well
> kiss my a %!!!
>
> We just put a grand into rebuilding our Modified and she is a sweet
> piece of machinery for us and so is the gas mileage (20mpg) so you
> testosterone filled Rolex carrying fuel suckers who need to have speed
> can just shove your accelerator through the floor burn rubber and keep
> going 'cause I got no use for any of you!And while you stop at the gas
> station 10 miles down the road we'll wave to you as we pass on by and
> keep TRUCKIN......
>
> I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
> but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
> slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
> all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
> there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?
>
> Jerry & Lisa
> '77 F-150 Ranger with a 351M .060 and PROUD OF IT!!!
>
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> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.comI agree with you very much so! I have never seen a 460 come even close in the gas mileage situation! We are all on the same side here! Go pick on that neighbor with the sick 305 or 350!

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:37:18 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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>>> Gerald and Lisa Hoel 04/24/97 04:18pm >>>
>I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
>but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
>slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
>all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
>there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?

In my case the only big grudge (I have lots of small ones) I have against Ch*vys is the attitude the "enthusiasts" have about any Ford stuff. Face it, the 350 is not a bad piece of hardware (also makes a great boat anchor) but the owners are such bigoted pain in the *sses that I could never own one myself. Besides, I happen to like Ford hardware (alot) and styling so why go elsewhere?

What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:15:29 +0000
From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Jane, stop this crazy thing...
Message-ID:

Well, I'm getting a little annoyed by the people who won't read the user info for this group.

Ken: I think you mentioned that you had somehow filtered out all the "unsubscribe me" messages, possibly you should add "desubscribe" and "desub" to that filter because they seem to have coined a new term...

>Subject: Re:desub

If it ain't one thing, it's another...

Erik O'Daniel

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:07:18 -0700
From: Tim & Jolee Hann To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460
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351m is a slug and the 400 is not much better. You have a limited range = of what you can do to a 351m/400. It maybe a good torque engine but it = is no comparisen to the 460 ,429. You tons more torque tons more hp and = unlimited parts and configs to chose from or make. 351m/400 you can port = the heads and put a 4bbl on it, oh ya do a cam, and you got an engine = with rumpy rump at an idle and a gas bill to go with it. With a 460/429 = you can do pistons, heads, cams, cranks, rods, manifolds, shall I go on. = At least with a 460/429 you will know why you spend alot of time at the = pump, its called POWER!!!!!!
The 351m/400 will not produce the kind of power that a 460/429 can or = torque.
The longivity of a 460 is super, where I work we have a fleet of E350 = vans with 460's and the lowest milage one we have has over 250k and up = to all most 400k. No engine has been changed yet. at 200k we rolled in a = set of rods and mains and a timing chain. Couldnt see why we need to = change the bearings but we did. I have never, and I mean never seen a = 351m/400 go as far as these 460's.

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From: John Strauss[SMTP:jstrauss inetport.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 8:00 AM To: Ford Trucks List
Subject: 351M vs. 400 vs. 460

William Sabers wrote:

>Saying the 351M is a slug is like saying all Harley's leak oil.....

You mean they don't? 8^)

> Of course, the 460 is going to give better power for the Cubic
>Inch freaks out there. If it is in your budget.... go for it! If not, = a
>400 or 351M may be cheaper to aquire and about the same to rebuild.
> The question I have is.... "are you going to need the x-tra that
>the 460 gives, if not, go with what is cheaper to get into." That is, = of
>course, unless testostrone has anything to do with it.....! Then the = 460
>wins!
> I am in the same boat, deciding to sell-off my 400 for a 460. I
>have a spare 400 from another 78 Bronco (for parts or rebuild). Life = is
>full of all sorts of heated questions...
>
>Wsabers

William, you must not be on the Big Bronco list, huh? You'd never get = away
with a statement like that on that list - the BBB club would be all over = you.
Those guys would have you believe the 460 cures the common cold and promotes world peace like Gandhi. But, if I had a truck with a 351M, = I'd
be looking 460. Now with the 400, it's a closer contest. The 400 makes very good torque - I particularly remember a '77 F250 fire truck used at = a
VFD where many of my kinfolks live that consistently blew the doors off = the
other fire truck, a '78 Chevy C30 w/350 and got better gas mileage while loaded. These trucks carried some 500 gallons of water each plus all = the
gear and the Ford was much less labored by the load. This really = torqued
the VFD guys who were almost exclusively Chevy guys. They only took the Ford because it was donated.

Anyway, I make my remarks based on stock engine comparison. Any engine = can
be made to do more than it was originally designed for, but now were are talking money. If you want to bolt in stock power, natch the 460 can't = be
beat. But what makes the 460 really attractive vs. the 351M or 400 is = that
it doesn't carry the usual BBB penalties. It's weight and MPG are comparable and many times better than the M it would replace. Those BBB guys must be getting thru to me I guess.

John


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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:58:19 -0500
From: Eric Houkal
To: "'fordtrucks'" Subject: slow boat from Ohio pt2
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Well, I don't know if I should be happy or even madder. After a couple = of hours on the phone to various places in Ohio, I finally found my = truck. It was sitting in a parking lot in Elyria, Ohio. Had been, in = fact, sitting there since the middle of March. Seems the people who = install the bins/racks for Ford are "a little behind".=20 New delivery date? If we rush things, end of May, per FoMoCo.
Well, that's not gonna cut it. My old truck's trans is gone and I'm out = of business. The nice lady from Ford said she'd see what she could do. = Well, she called today, the truck has been completed and I should have = it by next week. I think this is great, she really came through for me, = and any company willing to do this for a customer should be lauded. = Unfortunately, I keep coming back to the question of why this happened = in the first place, and how many sales have they lost due to the delays? = The seat thing is understandable and forgiveable, but that truck sat in = a parking lot for over a month after the seats were installed, and would = have sat for another month had I not chased it down myself.( I can't = wait to see the phone bill) Although the long wait is not directly due = to Ford, it seems to me that if demand is exceeding supply by that wide = a margin it is their responsibility to their customers and shareholders = to find another outfitter to complete the work, not to put endless = de
lays on delivery of otherwise finished product.
Well, like I said, I don't know how to feel about the entire deal.
Hopefully when I get the truck it'll be so great that I'll forget the = whole thing.
Eric

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:02:38 -0500
From: Larry Brown
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Cc: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Obsolete FORD Parts
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Their Phone number for the Georgia co is:

Obsolete Ford Parts
912.686.2470 or 912.686.5101
311 East Washington Ave, Dept TR
Nashville, Georgia 31639

There is another company of the same sort in Ok, their Numbers are:

Obsolete Ford Parts, Inc.
405.631.3933
(fax) 405.634.6815
8701 South Interstate 35
Okahoma City, OK 73149

Ihope this helps.

Larry

At 07:00 AM 4/24/97 -0700, John Macnamara wrote:

>Glen Pace wrote:
>>
>> I saw in a previous post that a co. called obsolete ford parts
>> may have or make new wiring harnesses for 77 ford trucks does
>> anyone have an E-Mail address or a phone number for this Co.?
>> Does anyone know of other places that I can get a wiring
>> harness?
>> I have been having major electrical trouble and I would love to
>> just get a new harness.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Glen
>>
>> 96 F-350 4x4
>> 77 F-250 4x4
>>
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>
>Glen: Obsolete Ford Parts Company 1948 to 1979 Ford truck parts. There
>address is 311 East Washington Ave in Nashville, Georgia. You can call
>information and get there phone number.
>
>Thanks
>John MacNamara
>78 F250 4X4 Supercab
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:07:35 -0500
From: Gardner
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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PAYNK (Ken Payne) wrote:
>
> >>> Gerald and Lisa Hoel 04/24/97 04:18pm >>>
> >I love this list and my husband and I have learned a ton from you all
> >but if you don't like something dont carry into name calling and
> >slamming. Just state you prefer something LARGER!! Furthermore, since we
> >all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
> >there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?
>
> In my case the only big grudge (I have lots of small ones) I have
> against Ch*vys is the attitude the "enthusiasts" have about any
> Ford stuff. Face it, the 350 is not a bad piece of hardware (also
> makes a great boat anchor) but the owners are such bigoted pain in
> the *sses that I could never own one myself. Besides, I happen to
> like Ford hardware (alot) and styling so why go elsewhere?
>
> What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old
> piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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> Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.comHey Ken I agree with you more than anyone could. That is purposeless many people say it is cheaper to build aC**** motor than a Ford. I have a neighor who runs a 350 beretta at the track runs high 8's low 9's.
Goes through about three motors a year, On the other hand I know a guy with a Fairmont with a 460 runs 11 with the motor turning half the rpm's that the beretta does. Been racing for three years hasn't replace the motor once. Build a C**** plan on buiding a couple, Build a FORD it might cost a little more but you won't have to do as often. Just to point out the Fairmont would smoke the Beretta if it wasn't kept street legal!

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve & Rockette To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in
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> Furthermore, since we
>all are supposed to be Ford enthusiasts, don't bang a Ford motor. Isnt
>there enough Ch !y metal out there for you guys to badmouth and pick on?
>
>
>Jerry & Lisa

You got that right...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:35:11 -0400
From: Steve & Rockette To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: new engine break in -Reply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>What irks me the most is when someone takes a classic 40 year old
>piece of Ford iron and drops a GM engine in it. Barf.

You got that right, too...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:16:58 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2
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Eric Houkal wrote:
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> Well, I don't know if I should be happy or even madder. After a couple of hours on the phone to various places in Ohio, I finally found my truck. It was sitting in a parking lot in Elyria, Ohio. Had been, in fact, sitting there since the middle of March. Seems the people who install the bins/racks for Ford are "a little behind".
> New delivery date? If we rush things, end of May, per FoMoCo.
>
> Well, like I said, I don't know how to feel about the entire deal.
> Hopefully when I get the truck it'll be so great that I'll forget the whole thing.
> Eric
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Eric,
If your dealer had shown the initiative that you did, you would have had your truck by now. Go kick the sales idiot in the ass.

Randy Z.

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:28:37 +0000
From: Don Grossman To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2
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Randy Zeilinger wrote:
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> Eric Houkal wrote:
> >
> > Well, I don't know if I should be happy or even madder. After a couple of hours on the phone to various places in Ohio, I finally found my truck. It was sitting in a parking lot in Elyria, Ohio. Had been, in fact, sitting there since the middle of March. Seems the people who install the bins/racks for Ford are "a little behind".
> > New delivery date? If we rush things, end of May, per FoMoCo.
> >
> > Well, like I said, I don't know how to feel about the entire deal.
> > Hopefully when I get the truck it'll be so great that I'll forget the whole thing.
> > Eric

>
> Eric,
> If your dealer had shown the initiative that you did, you would have
> had your truck by now. Go kick the sales idiot in the ass.
>
> Randy Z.

Have the truck delivered to the next nearist dealership in your area that is not operated by the same organization as the one you are dealing with. They should be more than happy to take delivery for you. There is alway a little rivlery between dealerships =-)

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:14:45 -0400
From: Charlie Summers To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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Sorry, folks; made a config error and am testing to make sure it's fixed.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:38:29 -0500
From: Eric Houkal
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: slow boat from Ohio pt2
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From: Randy Zeilinger[SMTP:randyz ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:16 PM To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio pt2

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If your dealer had shown the initiative that you did, you would have had your truck by now. Go kick the sales idiot in the ass.

Randy Z.

Can't argue with that, same thought has crossed my mind more than once. = Unfortunately it's getting increasingly difficult to find dealers who'll = sell at invoice, so I don't want to rock that boat. Next time maybe I'll = just buy off the lot!
Eric
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '63 Door Lock Question
Message-ID:

At least on the old stuff (48-56), driver's door locks came with the Five Star Extra and Custom Cabs. Add'l fyi, as far as I've read, the 48-52 regular cabs were called Five Star, and what most people call custom cabs were really Five Star Extra cabs. Starting in 53 the custom cabs were really Custom Cabs, and said so right on them!
I've heard the safety story before myself.
I'm currently having some difficulty getting keys made for my 51. I bought it in western Virginia, where they never lock the doors and the keys were misplaced many years ago (ignition switch replaced). As far as I can determine, no one makes exact replacements, with the covers and all. Anybody got any ideas?

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Build sheet request - add'l info from Ford Message-ID:

I dashed off a build sheet request to Ford as soon as I read the suggestion in the archives. Unfortunately, my truck is too old. Read on for what they will provide.
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Forwarded message:
From: cacinfo ford.com (Ford Customer Assistance Center) Reply-to: cacinfo ford.com
To: JRFiero aol.com
Date: 97-04-23 12:41:19 EDT

Hello ^,

Thank you for contacting Ford.

We are unable to provide you with a build sheet as we do not maintain our records before 1967. Build sheets are available for 1967-1986 vehicls only. Our dealerships are able to provide you with original window stickers if your vehicle is a 1987-1998. Ford will not provide them.

We will happily check specific options on your 1987 - 1998 vehicle. If you have a specific question regarding whether or not your vehicle was built with a certain option, feel free to re-email us here with the component in question and your VIN. You may also call our Customer Assistance Center for this information at 1-800-392-FORD.

We did decode your VIN for you:
f1 = F1 Conventional
R = 239 CID Engine V-8
1 = 1951 Model Year
SP = St. Paul Assembly Plant
19394 = Consecutive Unit Number

We regret the VIN is too old to provide any additional information. The door tag code is needed for more information.

We regret that we were not able to be of further service. Thank you for contacting Ford.

JRFiero ....


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