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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 63

Today's Topics:

Obsolete FORD Parts [Glen Pace ]
'63 Question - Door Locks [John Strauss
360FE engine code [John Strauss
RE: new engine break in [Drew Beatty
Re: Gotta Fix my Ranger [silent.bob juno.com ]
RE: Milestone [Drew Beatty
Re: Obsolete FORD Parts [John Macnamara ]
Re: Obsolete FORD Parts [John Macnamara ]
Re: Inline 6 vs. V8 [LanceWaldn aol.com ]
Re: Milestone ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: 90 Bronco Mileage ["WILLY M, ALBRECHT"
1997 Ranger XLT acceleration [John Strauss
new engine break in [John Strauss
Re: '63 Question - Door Locks [Karl Cunningham ]
Re: Obsolete FORD Parts ["Tanya Wagger" ]
desubscription -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Rubber seals [Sam Rule ]
Re: Holley Carb [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
Re: desubscription ["WILLY M, ALBRECHT"
Re:desub ["Byers, Dennis"
Re: new engine break in [William Sabers


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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Pace To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Obsolete FORD Parts
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I saw in a previous post that a co. called obsolete ford parts may have or make new wiring harnesses for 77 ford trucks does anyone have an E-Mail address or a phone number for this Co.?
Does anyone know of other places that I can get a wiring harness?
I have been having major electrical trouble and I would love to just get a new harness.
Thanks in advance
Glen

96 F-350 4x4
77 F-250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:49:48 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: '63 Question - Door Locks
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> I have a quick question.....My '63 F100 Flareside only has a key
>door lock on the passenger side, but not on the driver's side. Was this
>common back then? Does anyone know why they did not put door locks on
>the the drivers side? Could the truck have been ordered without door
>locks?
>
Well, now, here is a quandry. My '64 has locks on both sides but my '61 has one on the DRIVER'S side only. In addition, I remember my dad's '64 had a lock also on the driver's side only. I just paged thru a bunch of old pictures of Ford trucks from '46-up and I see some with and without on BOTH sides. This is somewhat of a mystery to me. I have assumed from my personal experience of 3 trucks from the '60s that the driver's side was standard and the passenger side was optional. Apparantly it is not this simple. There's a lot of these trucks on this list - what does everybody else have on their trucks as far as door lock cylinders?

John

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:49:52 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: 360FE engine code
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>D was a 352 2V in 1965
>K was a 361 2V in 1965
>
>Y was a 352 2V in 1966-67
>E was a 361 2V in 1966-67
>
>Y was a 360 2V in 1968-72
>D was a 330 2V in 1968-72 (Heavy Duty)
>E was a 361 2V in 1968-72
>and the 352 is no longer listed.
>
Your book must include the heavies because the 361 and 332 were for F-500 up only.

John

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Date: 24 Apr 97 10:07:37 EDT
From: Drew Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: new engine break in
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Jerry & Lisa:
I have always followed the advice my crusty old high school auto shop teacher told me:

To help seat the rings, keep it in first gear (low one if auto), bring it up to about 15 MPH, and take your foot off the gas and let the engine slow the truck down to idle speed. Do this about ten or fifteen times (the midnight Wal-Mart parking lot break-in technique!!). Then, do the same in second gear to about 25 MPH, let it come back down, then third gear to about...you get the point. The engine back pressure helps seat the rings. I have always changed out the break in oil at about 250 miles and then again at 500 miles (people tell me this is overkill, but I'm good that way). Keep it under 50 MPH for the first 500 miles.

The thing to remember is that when brand new a motor is as fragile as it is ever going to get in it's life. What you do in the first 1000 miles or so will shorten/lengthen it's life down the road. With proper attention to break in you will be slamming around town in this thing well into the 21st. century!!!

Good luck,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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We have just completed reinstallation of our 351M .060 since rebuild.
Anybody with some helpful hints on breaking in, what to do/what not to do... please share!!! Thanks in advance.


Jerry & Lisa
'77 F-150 FLARESIDE (351M Torque Monster 20mpg!)


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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:08:49 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com
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Subject: Re: Gotta Fix my Ranger
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On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:06:12 -0600 Eddie Torres writes:
> All questions in this have to do with a 1997 Ford Ranger XLT.
>If
>you suggest I need to do something, and it willl void my warrenty -
>please
>specify that I must do this after the warrenty is up...thanks. If you
>have
>any information about this, any ideas, or any interesting comments,
>please
>email me: NetRanger ThePentagon.com
>
> I am not too happy with the acceleration speed from 0 to about
>20
>mph. How can I increase this?
>
> I am thinking of adding a spoiler on the back, and getting
>those
>bars for the top of the back that extend on each side in between the
>two
>holes. Where can I buy these and should I get them?
>
> I also need misc. parts such as ground noise, (or is it ground
>effects?), and lock guards...
>
>TIA
>|----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: 24 Apr 97 10:07:42 EDT
From: Drew Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Milestone
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Thank you, Ken. There is a-lot of wasted space on the Internet (this is me...click here to see my dog...I like fishing, etc.) and it's good to see it put to a legitimate practical use. Knowledge is power!!

Thank you again,
DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Tonight we reached a major milestone. First, some history:

This list started in late December/early January as a bunch of us who sent email to each other using standard email and a little use of the "cc" email field. All of us (about 12 or so) met via the usenet newsgroups. One day I gathered my names, sent all of them email and asked about a Ford truck list. No one knew of one so I started one, I believed that if we could get 100 hundred members we would be huge. After 3 weeks of operation it became obvious (we had 25 members and real buggy software) that we would need a list server to host us. I found LOF Communications, a lost cost high service company to host us - show them your appreciation and visit their site (www.lofcom.com). This is the only company I have no problems with endorsing in such a way on the list. Without their help none of this would be possible. (Thanks Charlie)

We went on line with LOF in early February. Two weeks later it became obvious that we would need a digest version of the list as the traffic was high and steady. Three weeks after moving to LOF, we had 100 users - this was due in part to Charlie (with LOF) sending me an email which listed sites and ways to promote the list/web site.

Now, our milestone..... 500 users!!!!! Thanks everyone for being a part of this! At this rate of growth we may be forced sooner or later to split the list into pre-1980 and post 1980 trucks - alot of users are having problems with the volume of email sent some days. Once again, this would be up to the group as a whole.

Its been fun (most of the time!),
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:00:08 -0700
From: John Macnamara To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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Glen Pace wrote:
>
> I saw in a previous post that a co. called obsolete ford parts
> may have or make new wiring harnesses for 77 ford trucks does
> anyone have an E-Mail address or a phone number for this Co.?
> Does anyone know of other places that I can get a wiring
> harness?
> I have been having major electrical trouble and I would love to
> just get a new harness.
> Thanks in advance
> Glen
>
> 96 F-350 4x4
> 77 F-250 4x4
>
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Glen: Obsolete Ford Parts Company 1948 to 1979 Ford truck parts. There address is 311 East Washington Ave in Nashville, Georgia. You can call information and get there phone number.

Thanks
John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:49:41 -0700
From: John Macnamara To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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Glen Pace wrote:
>
> I saw in a previous post that a co. called obsolete ford parts
> may have or make new wiring harnesses for 77 ford trucks does
> anyone have an E-Mail address or a phone number for this Co.?
> Does anyone know of other places that I can get a wiring
> harness?
> I have been having major electrical trouble and I would love to
> just get a new harness.
> Thanks in advance
> Glen
>
> 96 F-350 4x4
> 77 F-250 4x4
>
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Glen: I tried to get a number from information for Obsolete Ford Parts but there wasn't one. The ad calls out a catalog for 73-79 trucks for $4.00. Also found a guy advertising wiring in Hemmings. He has an email address chuck4850 aol.com. Try him also.

Thanks
John MacNamara
78 Ford F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: LanceWaldn aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Inline 6 vs. V8
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According to Jack Clifford and Clifford Research (P.O. Box 2620, Corona, CA 91720, (909)734-3310) the inline Ford 6 has the sam torque potential as a Ford 460!
This has to do with fact that on the 6, the bore and stroke are about the same as the 460 V8, also the power stroke is 120 degrees vs. on 60 degrees for the V8.
For more facts and some good parts, call Clifford. My friend had them build a 2.8 Liter Chevy (sorrry) that puts out around 300 hp. Not too shabby.
Lance

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:21:48 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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That's great. I realize that we get a lot of messages on this group, but I enjoy reading all of them.

I'm glad to see this list moving up the ladder as it were.

I have to admit that I'm spoiled though since I have a T1 connection at work and it takes very little time to retrieve my e-mail.

>Now, our milestone..... 500 users!!!!! Thanks everyone for being
>a part of this! At this rate of growth we may be forced sooner or later
>to split the list into pre-1980 and post 1980 trucks - alot of users
>are having problems with the volume of email sent some days. Once
>again, this would be up to the group as a whole.
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:28:46 -0700
From: "WILLY M, ALBRECHT" To:
Subject: Re: 90 Bronco Mileage
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you are aout as good as it gets thr hi-prtofile of thr truck has a lot of wind resistance


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> From: Litemeup aol.com
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
> Subject: 90 Bronco Mileage
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 11:42 AM
>
> I purchased a 90 bronco about 2 years ago and have driven it 52 k since i
> bought it and consistently only get 10.5-11.9 overall mileage with it. I do
> not pound on the gas. I live in So. CA and os most driving is on the
> highway. Is this normal or can someone help give me some suggestions.
>
> I have already installed a K&N air filter, new O2 sensor, split fire plugs,
> checked and changed the thermostat to a 190F for told it might be running
> rich. I do drive on BF 32 11.5 15 tires.
>
> I am not sure what the gear ratio is, i am assuming what ever was standard in
> the full size Bronco in 90
>
> John
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:32:28 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: 1997 Ranger XLT acceleration
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> I am not too happy with the acceleration speed from 0 to about 20
>mph. How can I increase this?
>
Lower the rear end ratio (go higher numerically).

John

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:32:35 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: new engine break in
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> Hello everyone hopefully I can send a message with out being scolded by
>the MOM. I am trying to prove to a buddy that the 351m is a better engine
>in his 68 bronco that a 460 (he has a 351m400).I would like to get a good
>engine combo for this daily driver and weekend stump runner? any help is
>app.(he thinks CH#$% 's are better. Thanks Brad...
>
I hope you mean 1978 Bronco - neither of these engines will fit the engine compartment of a little Bronco.

If it is a 1978, the 460 is the way to go. 351M is pretty much a slug.
400 is decent but no match for the 460. The 460 will get the same MPG but with much more power throughout the rev range.

John

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:41:46 -0700
From: Karl Cunningham To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '63 Question - Door Locks
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At 08:49 AM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
There's a lot of these trucks on this list - what does everybody
>else have on their trucks as far as door lock cylinders?

My '60 has them on both sides. Does being a 4x4 make a difference?

Karl Cunningham
karlc cnsii.com
1960 F250 factory 4x4

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 20:56:17 PDT
From: "Tanya Wagger"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Obsolete FORD Parts
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Hi , we just got a great cat. from Ron Francis Wire Works. They are a complete wiring company that have a great modular concept. We visited their website and sent for a free cat. Kinda pricey but they have everything.
www.Ron Francis Wire Works.com
Good Luck,
Charlie Sr. & Jr.
1965 F-250 390FE
1964 F-100 223

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> I saw in a previous post that a co. called obsolete ford parts
> may have or make new wiring harnesses for 77 ford trucks does
> anyone have an E-Mail address or a phone number for this Co.?
> Does anyone know of other places that I can get a wiring
> harness?
> I have been having major electrical trouble and I would love to
> just get a new harness.
> Thanks in advance
> Glen
>
> 96 F-350 4x4
> 77 F-250 4x4
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:01:24 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: desubscription -Reply
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To everyone:

This is the third message of this type with nearly the same wording to be sent to the list by three different people. This will not get anyone unsubscribed. It only proves to 500+ other list members that you do not take the time to read directions!

Please take the time to read the directions. The web site asked you to read (and provided links to) the FAQ and charter BEFORE you subscribed to the list. The FAQ and charter both give instructions telling you how to unsubscribe. In addition, the FAQ and charter are emailed to all users upon joining. Lastly, the introduction email you recieved upon joining contained unsubscribe instructions. Posting unsubscribe messages to the group only succeeds in sending a copy of it to all 500+ of our members.

climbing up on flaming soapbox...

Please note that I no longer unsubscribe anyone. You must use the instructions you received! Between the list messages, ad placements and personal email concerning the list I recieve over 200 emails a day. I do not have time to deal with this. When all else fails, RTFM! Some people really prove there is a need for the book "Internet for Dummies".

climbing back down....

P.S. These users better be glad its not a Linux list, this stuff would get
them email bombed on a Linux list.

Ken, "List Mom"
Thanks to everyone who makes it worth it, this is not a general flame to everyone.


>>> bill rowlett 04/24/97 07:49am >>>

>To Whom It May Concern:


> Due to the oversubcription from the FORD TRUCK site, I request
>that you remove my name deleted from "fordtrucks lofcom.com". Thank
>You.

> Respectfully,

> Bill Rowlett

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:03:43 -0600
From: Sam Rule
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Rubber seals
Message-Id:

I have a 1965 ford van, and the rear doors are hard to close. It looks like the rubber seal is too fat. has anyone else had this problem, or are my seals old.
Samster
samster wwdg.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:03:48 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Holley Carb
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>>
>> We are somewhat unsure of the difference between center hung and side
>> hung floats. What is the performance difference b/w center hung and side
>> hung. Our truck is mostly for daily driving and light off road use,
>> maybe some hauling in the future when we move..
>
>The side hung floats were used in stock applications and are limmited in
>some manner as to mod's.
>

Side hung floats are recommended by Pedersen's 4x4 (or is it 4-wheelin?) magazine over center hung, at least for the Holley. The reason is, they are supposed to work better in off-level conditions, like four bying. They also recommend you get the little sprung needle valve rather than the stock one if you are going to do any of this kind of driving.

Mine works great by the way.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:25:57 -0700
From: "WILLY M, ALBRECHT" To:
Subject: Re: desubscription
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please take me off this mailing list.
----------willya ivic.net

> From: bill rowlett
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: desubscription
> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 5:49 AM
>
>
>
> To Whom It May Concern:
>
>
> Due to the oversubcription from the FORD TRUCK site, I request
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> Bill Rowlett
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:36:38 -0500
From: "Byers, Dennis" To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: Re:desub
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Please Take Me,,, Dennis Byers off of the mailing list.

Dbyers origin.ea.com

Thank yOu

Dennis byers

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: William Sabers To: Ford Trucks List Subject: Re: new engine break in
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Saying the 351M is a slug is like saying all Harley's leak oil.....
Of course, the 460 is going to give better power for the Cubic Inch freaks out there. If it is in your budget.... go for it! If not, a 400 or 351M may be cheaper to aquire and about the same to rebuild.
The question I have is.... "are you going to need the x-tra that the 460 gives, if not, go with what is cheaper to get into." That is, of course, unless testostrone has anything to do with it.....! Then the 460 wins!
I am in the same boat, deciding to sell-off my 400 for a 460. I have a spare 400 from another 78 Bronco (for parts or rebuild). Life is full of all sorts of heated questions...

Wsabers
69 Mustang Mach I (351 Boss)
78 Bronco (400)*


On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, John Strauss wrote:

> > Hello everyone hopefully I can send a message with out being scolded by
> >the MOM. I am trying to prove to a buddy that the 351m is a better engine
> >in his 68 bronco that a 460 (he has a 351m400).I would like to get a good....

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