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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 61

Today's Topics:

Automatic Overdrive [Gerald and Lisa Hoel
Re: FE blocks [JIM HURD ]
'63 Question [Jesus Cardoso
Re: '63 Question [LanceWaldn aol.com ]
Re: 360FE Engine Code [JIM HURD ]
Re: Inline 6 vs. V8 ["Malcolm O'Blenis"
spread vs. square bore carbs [John Strauss
Electronic or Transmission Problem - [farmergeorge sos.on.ca ]
tailgate restoration [Stuart Varner
Re: 1979 F150 For Sale ["Kimo Owens" ]
Re: NEWBIE with a few questions. [Gerald and Lisa Hoel
tailgate restoration -Reply [PAYNK (Ken Payne)
Re: driveshaft slack [Michael Fischer
Re: Automatic Overdrive [Kevin Lindstedt
Help [Patrick476 aol.com ]
RE: Which engine. [Drew Beatty
RE: Inline 6 vs. V8 [Drew Beatty
RE: Inline 6 vs. V8 ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: FE blocks [bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Che]
Re: Muffler's [LenJG aol.com ]
Re: Automatic Overdrive [LenJG aol.com ]
F150 with best track record?? [RESPITE95 aol.com ]
Re: Mufflers and the 7.3L Diesel ["Douglas J. Howard"
Newbe [SBMarks ix.netcom.com ]
Re: F150 with best track record?? [Don Grossman ]
Wheel Size for 59 Ranchero [Antonio Gonella

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:38:03 -0400
From: Gerald and Lisa Hoel To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Automatic Overdrive
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Sorry to keep bugging you guys with questions but this is our day home...

We were wondering when Ford started putting in automatic overdrive in their trucks. We have a '77 F-150 Ranger (351M & C6 tranny). We were just at the Edelbrock site and some of their carbs will not work with Ford AO. Help...

Jerry & Lisa
'77 F-150 Flareside(351M .060 Torque Monster)

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: JIM HURD To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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I reccommend that anyone with FE Block questions get a copy of Steve Christ' book "How To Rebuild Your Big Block FORD". He spends PAGES des- cribing the diferences between the various FE blocks (and FT blocks), what year/vehicle they were available in, changes in oiling systems, which blocks have thicker main bearing webs, horizontal support ribs, etc.etc.

Heck, I think it is a good read, and I don't even have as FE/FT (anymore!)

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:42:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jesus Cardoso To: Ford Trucks List Subject: '63 Question
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Hey Ya'll,

I have a quick question.....My '63 F100 Flareside only has a key door lock on the passenger side, but not on the driver's side. Was this common back then? Does anyone know why they did not put door locks on the the drivers side? Could the truck have been ordered without door locks?

Thanks in advance.

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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant ( Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso

:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:00:29 -0400 (EDT) From: LanceWaldn aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '63 Question
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According to Bob at Bob's F-100's in Riverside, CA, the old Ford trucks didn't have a lock on the driver's side for safety reasons.
The thinking was that it was safer to lock the driver's door from the inside and slide over on the bench seat to get out. This would keep you from getting out in the traffic side of the truck.
I don't know if this is true or not, but it sounds good to me.
To remidy this problem you can get a new set of keyed-alike locks from a reputible F-100 supplier (not Bob's F100's), remove the passenger's side lock by carefully pulling back the weather stripping and removing the clip that holds the lock in place. Make a template using the door handle as a guide.
Reverse and transfer this template to the driver's side door and carefully cut it out just like the passenger side.
Now insert the new lock, insert the retaing clip behind the weather stripping (Ford made the slot but didn't install the lock. Go figure.) and you're done.

I did this on my '56 F-100 and it works.
Good luck.
Lance

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:02:11 -0500 (EST) From: JIM HURD To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 360FE Engine Code
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Well, MY book says that in trucks, an engine code of:

D was a 352 2V in 1965
K was a 361 2V in 1965

Y was a 352 2V in 1966-67
E was a 361 2V in 1966-67

Y was a 360 2V in 1968-72
D was a 330 2V in 1968-72 (Heavy Duty)
E was a 361 2V in 1968-72
and the 352 is no longer listed.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:31:37 -0300
From: "Malcolm O'Blenis" To:
Subject: Re: Inline 6 vs. V8
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~~~~ Hello!, I have proof that they are excellent racing motors. I am on the pit crew for a local racer and we ran a WHIPPED junkyard 300ci inline 6 and set fast time that night, sat on the pole for the "feature race" and won the damn race!
The driver "Al" said he laughed the whole race..........the old motor just kept hauling. While we were watching this...................we couldn't believe our eyes!!!! Anyway, we did go through 8 litres of oil in only two heats and the feature. It may have "ate" a little oil but we won.
We race on a 1/3 mile oval and blew all the 350chevys and even the 351Windsor's away............this may be unbelievable but those 6's are real tourquey out of the corners. So there is my story and with the right setup you can make people think...................


Mac

1979 F-150 Custom 302ci (soon to be 351W......just got to swap) longbed

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:38:56 -0500 (CDT) From: John Strauss To: Ford Trucks List Subject: spread vs. square bore carbs
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>
>Also, does Edelbrock make a "double pumper"? Finally, one last rather
>stupid question -- but here goes.. what is the difference b/w spread
>bore and square flange carbs.
>
Spread Bore means the secondaries are larger than the primaries. All are the same size on a square bore.

John

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:46:03 -0700
From: farmergeorge sos.on.ca
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
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We have a 7.3 ltr. 1989 Diesel Crewcab F350 truck with a E40D transmission.
The transmission did not have a previous shifting problem. Because of an over heating problem the transmission was rebuilt electic current (from the battery) was back fed by mistake, burning out dash circuitry, RPM Tach, fuel sensor, light switch.
These damaged components were replaced but now the transmission shifts irregularly, and at too high engine RPM. As well it does not remain locked up in overdrive (hesitates an egine RPM fluctuates approx 200 RPM at 2500 to 2700). Does this sound like a wiring, electrical component problem or an internal mechanical transmission problem????????!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:11:47 -0700
From: Stuart Varner To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: tailgate restoration
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Anyone have any great ideas on how to save a tailgate of the 64-72 variety? This gate has seams on the side which tend to rust from the inside out. My tailgate is in great shape now..... but, before it starts getting much worse, (there are small rust lines forming) I'd like to slow or stop the process. The paint on the tgate is factory original......

Any qualified bodymen out there which care to share helpful info......it would be very appreciated. Ken,I am glad the tailgate unbolts, I have been trying and trying to lift my taligate off like the 73-97 models do. I thought I was going crazy! Thanks and remember......NUKE GM.


Oh, by the way, anyone know the largest tires which can be fitted on to the stock, 96 model FoMoCo aluminum 15" rims? Right now they have GYear Wrangler HT 235-75-15.
They look too spindly , narrow, and short on my 4x4. Any and all takers welcome. In case it may matter, I will be keeping the stock 4x ride height.

Stu
71 F-100 4x4

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:51:29 -0500
From: "Kimo Owens"
To:
Subject: Re: 1979 F150 For Sale
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Please send me the number, Thanks

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> From: John Strauss
> To: Big Bronco List ; Ford Trucks List
> Subject: 1979 F150 For Sale
> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:14 AM
>
> Anybody in Texas need a good beater/ parts hauler or a 460 doner truck? I
> saw a 1979 F150 Ranger for sale in Thrall, Texas (about 50 miles West of
> Austin) for $550 this past Sunday. It was in pretty good shape considering
> the price (A/C worked, no rust except the tailgate, all the chrome was
> there, even had a bed liner) and it has a 460/C6 in it. E-mail me direct
> if you want the phone number.
>
> John
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:12:37 -0400
From: Gerald and Lisa Hoel To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: NEWBIE with a few questions.
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Mark, we are "newbies" who recently purchased a 1977 F-150 Ranger 4x4 with 351M about 3 mos ago. Our experience is limited but definitely hands on. Hope what little we have picked up is a start for you:

The question of keeping the truck depends on how much money you want to spend and what it will cost to at least make your truck reasonably driveable. We have spent around $1200 to get our truck going ( engine rebuild including redoing heads, crank miking, and boring to .060 as well as carburetor rebuild, which was a complete bust!)

As far as the wiring harness, there are several places that have them.
For your model year you can probably get them from JC Whitney for around $120. Obsolete Ford Parts might have them, but they will be more costly.

>From everything we have heard about the Cleveland, its a good engine but the replacement of the rear seal would be a bear if that is the source of the leak. Also, you should probably do some engine diagnostics (compression check, check the plugs to see what kind if any fouling they have, etc.)to see what kind of shape it is in. We learned the hard way how to check the health of your engine.

If you decide to keep your truck, a new carb is probably in your future.
We are in the process of shopping one right now for our '77 F-150 351M.
A new carb would probably help with your fuel economy too.

The fumes are probably from your exhaust. We have an '88 Wrangler (no flames please)that has multiple holes in the exhaust, especially in the cat and the fumes are quite noticeable (yes we are working on correcting this problem).

Wish we could help more, keep us all posted.

Gerald & Lisa
1977 F-150 Stepside (351M .060 Torque Monster)

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:46:50 -0500
From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: tailgate restoration -Reply
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>Any qualified bodymen out there which care to share helpful info......it
>would be very appreciated. Ken,I am glad the tailgate unbolts, I have
>been trying and trying to lift my taligate off like the 73-97 models
>do. I thought I was going crazy! Thanks and remember......NUKE GM.


>Oh, by the way, anyone know the largest tires which can be fitted on to
>the stock, 96 model FoMoCo aluminum 15" rims? Right now they have GYear
>Wrangler HT 235-75-15.
>They look too spindly , narrow, and short on my 4x4. Any and all takers
>welcome. In case it may matter, I will be keeping the stock 4x ride
>height.

>Stu
>71 F-100 4x4

I've had BFGs All Terrain 35x15 - 10.5 (don't know the metric right off hand and I'm too lazy to convert it) on 10x15 FoMoCo wheels. They're pretty big tires, I'm sure bigger exist.

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:06:41 -0400
From: Michael Fischer To: fordtrucks....

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