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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 56

Today's Topics:

Which engine. [nat ]
Re: FE blocks ["Larry Coffman"
FE Blocks again [Drew Beatty
I may be out of commission. [Ken Payne ]
new member ["Lee Hardy" ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
Re: Holley Carb [Daver ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
Re: Muffler's [dherzog fv.stlcc.cc.mo.us (David He]
re: 47 Paint [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: 352 HIPO connecting rods [Daver ]
Tires Choice for '80 F150 [bobr ]
Re: Holley Carb [JIM HURD ]
1995 Ford Ranger 4.0L Questions [bradndeb laurie.net (Brad Miller) ]
Re: '77 F-150 Ranger [JIM HURD ]
292 Y-8 mileage ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Re: Tires Choice for '80 F150 ["Jason C Wodack"
restoration [Karl Lawrence Haertel
Help-bearing woes-'68 F100 360 [bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Che]
Re: Holley Carb [hippy11 mail.midohio.net ]
RE:FE blocks [bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Che]
Re: Holley Carb [Steve & Rockette
Re: restoration [Steve & Rockette


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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:46:43 +1000
From: nat
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Which engine.
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Hi there,

I am just a new reader to this group, and just wandering if you people out there could give me some advice.

I have a '69 Falcon ute/truck and its got a 302 cleveland. It gets around say 1litre of fuel for every 4-5 miles...and thats with the motor just been tuned...it was shocking before.

The motor is tired, and I need something new, what would be better, the 351 windsor or cleveland. What about the big blocks like the 429.

Can some one write me the fuel consumption/milage for the 351 W/C - 429 motors.

nat

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:50:12 -0400
From: "Larry Coffman" To:
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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I just bought a 66 F100 myself back in Oct. The owners manual calls the air pump a "Thermactor" , so yes it could be stock. the point gap is 0.017, timing with the pump is top dead center.

Larry Coffman
coffman defnet.com
66 F-100
96 Explorer

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> From: Michael & Linda Waak
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: Re: FE blocks
> Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:36 AM
>
>
> Mega Ditto's fellow Fordnatics, I'm a long time listener but a first time
> caller.
>
> I have found this group to be very informative and inhabited by adults
> (kids don't belong on usenet or ML's)
>
> My neighbor just bought a 66' F100 for 200 bucks and we spent the last week
> getting the Ol' Girl going again, but I'm confused because it has a smog
> > pump on it with the tubes running into the heads. He swears that it's the
> original motor but I think it must be a later model (pre '75 because it
> doesn't have the same set-up as my F-250 Hi Boy). If anyone can tell me
> when they started to put smog pumps on FE series motors we might be able to
> at least narrow it down a little.
>
> Also I was wondering if anyone has the '66 tune-up specs as the it appears
> to have the original distributor (points).
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
> Primerica Financial Services > Yesterday is a cancelled check,
> Michael D. Waak
> "The Crusaders" > Today is cash, USE IT WISELY!!
> mikewaak jps.net
>
>
>
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Date: 21 Apr 97 20:20:44 EDT
From: Drew Beatty To: "'Ford Trucks'" Subject: FE Blocks again
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It appears that I have asked one of those big questions. Excellent. Here's all the answers I have heard from around here.

I spoke to a local parts recycler, and they told me that the only difference in the motors is the crank and the bore (a no brainer). Engine block casting ##'s might not tell the specific displacement, since something may have been changed over the years, and the block is the same for all 3 displacements. This engine does have a rebuild on it. These ##'s will tell what it left the factory as 30 years ago, however. They told me that a 352 and a 360 have a half moon cut in the crank flange where the flywheel bolts up. They said a 390 crank is totally round. Mine has the half moon cut.

I spoke to a guy who has been racing Fords up Pikes Peak for years, and he told me that there is a casting number on the 1st throw of the crankshaft. 2A designates 390, 2B or 2AA designates 360, and he didn't know what the 352 has.
Mine has no casting number (I pulled the pan to change the dreaded FE rear main seal and the leak turned out to be somewhere else) so therefore I assume that I have the 352.

I can tell what was original by running the VIN ## through the Ford dealer. They say 352, and I am about 90% convinced at this point that they are right, as I think everything is original in the beast. To my knowledge the 360 didn't come out until the 70's "energy crisis" (whatever happened to that???) when Ford was trying to combine fuel economy with big block power. And, yes, from what I have read 1967 was the last year of the 352.

So, this, combined with what you all have answered, is what I know. Thanks for all the help. I'll try to get the block casting ##'s and run them by those who can decode them. I'll also run them by Ford to see if it's the original motor.

DC Beatty
1967 F100
1974 Maverick

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:47:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: I may be out of commission.
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I've been fighting off a bad sinus infection since Thursday, looks like I'm losing. Going to the Dr. in the morning. I may be out of commission the rest of the evening and a good portion of tomorrow.

Sorry to those who send private email concerning list matters or other topics - it'll have to wait. Damn, my new wheels just showed up on the doorstep today. I'm going to go crazy waiting to put them on.

Later,
Ken "Sick List Mom"

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:59:47 -0400
From: "Lee Hardy"
To:
Subject: new member
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Hi gang: just a note to tell you about myself. My name is lee hardy and i love Ford trucks. I am particularly fond of 35 thru 56. I am a 1936 model myself, so have grown up working on, building and racing flathead engines for many years. I have four barns full of parts for these trucks, and hopfully, can but, sell or swap what I need for what you need. I am willing to share any knowledge I have on these trucks so you can complete your restoration as quickly and cheaply as possible. I am in contact with many suppliers for parts, both speed and stock, so please don't hesitate to call if I can be of any help. My phone number in Connecticut is (860)774 7327 EST. This is only a hobby with me, but is more of an obsession according to my wife. Looking forward to talking with you either on email or phone. I am new to computors (as shown by my mistakenly shouted message of a few days ago), but will get better. thanks, Lee

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:31:47 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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Michael & Linda Waak wrote:

> Also I was wondering if anyone has the '66 tune-up specs as the it appears
> to have the original distributor (points).
>

If it has a Smog pump it is probably no older than 72 (I believe that is when the state of California began requiring them). I personally threw the points setup away the Mallory Unilite is far supperior, more acurate and not as worn. If he goes to the Unilite tell him to get the fully mechanical distributor it's one less place for vacuum that doesn't work. Use the hot plug (if the engine is the stock veriety) and run 6 to 8 BTDC. Put a vacuum gauge on it on the manifold tree (probably located on the rear passenger side) then carfully screw the (driver first) mixture screw in until the engine begins to miss then screw it out (watching the vacuum gauge) until the needal is at it's smothest point then repeat this on the other side. When the mixture is right the vacuum should read a very steady 13 to 14 inches; if not, adjust the rest out by slowly advancing the distributor. it is less important to get 13 to 14 inches than it is the see the needle rock solid. Also note if you exceed 10 advance (BTDC) you m
ust increase the richness of the mixture put the light on it(important) do not adjust by ear you are not use to this particular engine.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:47:33 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Holley Carb
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Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> We have a Holley 1860/4160 4 barrel carb that came on our'77 F-150 (351M
> .060 over). We purchased a rebuild kit but we were not able to fix a
> leak at the secondary butterfly shaft. We've been informed by our local

I'd replace it with a New model 600 CFM (vacuum secondaries) built for a Ford. This carb is a good dependable stock replacment that comes with the Kickdown.

> know-it-all that the carb is worn out and we just need to replace it
> (with an 850 no less). We would greatly appreciate the opinions of some

To much for a stock motor. You can over carberate and wash the rings.

> better informed individuals. Also, could this be the cause of our newly
> rebuilt and otherwise smooth running engine just shutting off?

Yes it will. If the carb is leaching air from around the butterfly shaft it is the same as running with a vacuum leak of fenominal perporsions. (Please no flames here) the quadrajunk on Chevy's had this problem I used to bush them out for people (made lots of cash) this could be done to yours but You would be better off with the carb I suggested above.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:06:12 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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> I've heard that *some* 390 truck engines and/or replacement blocks have
> enough meat to open up to 428 bore. (anyone got a 428 crank laying around? :-)
> Is this true? Anyone know how to I.D. these blocks?
>

According to my books the 352 and 390 FE's can go 4.13 bore. The 428 crank can be found but why? bore the thing to 4.13 and find a 427 crank (this combo builds a 406). The 427 crank is basicly identical to the 390 except they are either nodular iron or forged steel and can be modified to rev in excess of 8000 RPM. Big bore short stroke = fast.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:01:28 -0500
From: dherzog fv.stlcc.cc.mo.us (David Herzog) To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Muffler's
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At 05:30 PM 4/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 92 f-150 with a 302 and while washing it noticed some holes in my
>muffler. I would like some opinions on what kind to get to replace it. Do
>any of them add power or make it sound cool (not loud though)etc?
>
>
>Wendell Holmquist
>whmquist icontrol.net
>
>
>
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>
>I have a 94 F-150 with a 302 V8. I replaced the exhaust at "MADHATTER" muffler shop, and I am certain that other shops in your area could do the same.

The glass pack muffler has 1 inlet and 2 outlets. They ran twin tail pipes out the rear (one on each side of the rear bumper) and welded on chrome tips. The result was a grat sound (healthy) without a lot of noise. The cost was $139!!
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
cc: jhazewinkel exodus.valpo.edu
Subject: re: 47 Paint
Message-ID:

First attempt at sending to a mailing list, and I blew it, partially by sending it only to the originator. Anyway, here's a post for anyone else who might be interested.....

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