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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 54

Today's Topics:

Re: slow boat from Ohio [Randy Zeilinger
Re: Misfire [FOMOCONUT aol.com ]
Re: '77 F-150 Ranger [Don Grossman ]
Re: slow boat from Ohio [Randy Zeilinger
Re: Misfire [Ken Payne ]
Re: slow boat from Ohio [Ken Payne ]
RE: Misfire [Drew Beatty
Re: mileage ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
RE: Misfire ["Ryan Penner" ]
Power Steering conversion [Andy Aydelott ]
Re: FE blocks [Michael & Linda Waak
RE: Misfire [Tim & Jolee Hann
Re: It ...Thank you Ken! or Help me ["Jim" ]
Re: FE blocks [sdelanty sonoma.net ]
RE: slow boat from Ohio [Eric Houkal ]
RE: Misfire ["Ryan Penner" ]
FoMoCo build sheets [Stuart Varner


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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:49:00 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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Eric Houkal wrote:
>
> I have seen several resoonses on the list from Ford employees (or at any rate people who seem to have access to internal Ford info, some production info, etc. The problem I am having requires info of that nature. Bacfk in February I ordered a '97 e-150 cargo van to replace my ailing 89. At that time I was told 4weeks, maybe 6 at most and my truck problems would end. Well, it's been a whole lot longer than that and I still don't have a new truck.First excuse was they were having problems with Re
> The problem has become way more critical now because my old truck no longer wants to go in reverse or overdrive and I've got a feeling the other forward gears are about to follow the same path.
>
> Eric
>
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Eric, My first guess is that the dealer is handing you a line. When the Co builds a vehicle the last thing they want is for it to sit on a lot unshipped to the dealer. Afterall they make money on the vehicles SOLD not just built.
Have been hearing stuff about dealers selling an ordered vehicle out from under a customer (especially if they cut a good price). I don't know the validity of that but I have shared it with some people at work.
Try going over the salesdroid's head to his boos or the owner of the dealership. If that doesn't work try contacting Ford Customer Service and complain.

Just my personal .02,
Randy Z.

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire
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Please detail more the circumstances in which this "misfire" occurrs. This should include whether or not it is under heavy or light accelleration or just maintaining speed...hot or cold...dry or damp weather..etc...
please also list how your engine is configured...and changes you have made ...etc..
The 300 six is a very tolerant engine...I imagine your problem is with the secondary portion of the ignition system.....the plugs, wires etc...
Remember Fords love to run....don't fret.. with a little more 411 I'm positive you will be running on all six.....
In the meanwhile, do a good, very good visual inspection of plugs, wires etc...this is if you don't have access to a good old Sunscope....

......John

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:57:37 +0000
From: Don Grossman To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '77 F-150 Ranger
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Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> We purchased a 1977 F-150 Ranger about 2 mos ago and have wondered about
> some of the other components on the truck. We know the engine is a 351M
> and the tranny is a C6. Does anyone know how to identify the transfer
> case and axles(ie Dana 44 etc.). Also, how was the truck originally
> equipped?

If the truck is still origional you should have a Dana 44 front axle and a 9" rear. If it is the part-time t-case it will be a NP 205. I'm not sure what came with the Ranger package. The 77 had the funky y style steering linkage, you should look into changeing to the T style if you are thinking of doing a lift.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:01:52 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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Chris North wrote:
>
> >At 11:52 AM 4/20/97 -0500, Eric Houkal wrote:
>
>
> and Ken Payne replied:
>
> >No vehicle should take this long to get. It sounds like you're getting
> >the run-around. I read in a car buying guide about how dealers really
>
> >
> >Good luck, and I'm sorry to here about this dealer. If only the dealers
> >were as good as the vehicles.
> >
>
> Now, I am not trying to defend the unknown (to me) dealer, or Ford's
> customer service philosophy, but please bear in mind that the Ohio Valley
> recently experienced some serious flooding that just may have delayed some
> shipments. While this may not have directly affected Mr. Houkal's
> purchase, I wouldn't be suprised to find out that a whole lot of shipments
> were disrupted. If this is the case, I would expect a proactive customer
> service response would be to inform the customers of ordered vehicles of
> the problem and provide a loaner, or some other arrangement. Otherwise,
> you could expect to see more r m's on the road.
>
> chris north
>
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The Lorain Assembly Plant is in NE Ohio. I don't think they are having the flooding problem that the lower part of the state has seen. I could be wrong here but I think we were talking about a Econoline van.

Any way, my opinion of dealerships is not good, so I would blame them first.

Randy Z.

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:15:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire
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At 06:26 PM 4/20/97 UT, you wrote:
>Okay, I have a '91 F-150 that seems to misfire when I am driving it at any
>speed. My question is has anyone ever had this happen to them, if so how did
>you fix it? Here is some other info, the truck has 170,000 miles on it, and I
>have just replace the shortblock in it. (300 I-6) Along with a few other
>parts.
>If anyone has any help whatsoever PLEASE tell me! :) As you can see I am
>somewhat frustrated by this nonsence.
>
>Thanx.
>
>Ryan Penner
>1991 Ford F150 4x2. Custom!
>

Loose spark plug, incorrect timing, incorrect order of plug wires on the distributor, bad routing of plug wires (causing cross firing), burnt valve (this shows up not as a misfire but as a popping noise in the exhaust system).

In no luck with these items, let us know. Once way or another it can be tracked down.
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:16:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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>
>Now, I am not trying to defend the unknown (to me) dealer, or Ford's
>customer service philosophy, but please bear in mind that the Ohio Valley
>recently experienced some serious flooding that just may have delayed some
>shipments. While this may not have directly affected Mr. Houkal's
>purchase, I wouldn't be suprised to find out that a whole lot of shipments
>were disrupted. If this is the case, I would expect a proactive customer
>service response would be to inform the customers of ordered vehicles of
>the problem and provide a loaner, or some other arrangement. Otherwise,
>you could expect to see more r m's on the road.
>
>chris north
>
>

I hadn't thought about this. Could very likely be the cause.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: 20 Apr 97 16:48:33 EDT
From: Drew Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Misfire
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If checking the easy stuff doesn't solve the problem the distributor advance mechanism may be worn out or misadjusted to the point where it is firing into the next cylinder. It can sound like a miss. I have seen this on Ford breaker point distributors with the vacuum advance. I tend to have older stuff and know next to nothing about parts built after 1975 but, hey, it's a suggestion.

By all means check the easy stuff first.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100
1974 Maverick

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At 06:26 PM 4/20/97 UT, you wrote:
>Okay, I have a '91 F-150 that seems to misfire when I am driving it at any
>speed. My question is has anyone ever had this happen to them, if so how did
>you fix it? Here is some other info, the truck has 170,000 miles on it, and I
>have just replace the shortblock in it. (300 I-6) Along with a few other
>parts.
>If anyone has any help whatsoever PLEASE tell me! :) As you can see I am
>somewhat frustrated by this nonsence.
>
>Thanx.
>
>Ryan Penner
>1991 Ford F150 4x2. Custom!
>

Loose spark plug, incorrect timing, incorrect order of plug wires on the distributor, bad routing of plug wires (causing cross firing), burnt valve (this shows up not as a misfire but as a popping noise in the exhaust system).

In no luck with these items, let us know. Once way or another it can be tracked down.
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: mileage
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Hi Ken:

I don't know what the mileage used to be. I bought the van last July from a local *odge dealership.

It was a basket case in need of a front brake job, muffler, steering work, and more.

Appearantly the previous owner used to try to do his own repairs and was actually quite bad at it.

In fact the steering box was just about the fall off the frame rail when I bought the van and was one of the first things we fixed.
>
> Before you check them... has the milage always been this low? If
> so then its not the bearings. If its gotten worse over the years -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- James A. Doty
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:49:20 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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> There's a number on the right side heads between the spark plugs. This

This is not necessarily so. The number is there but this does not identify the engine. For examples C8AZ C8 identifies it as a 68 model head and if the rest of the number is -6049-A then you have a great set of heads. Now what engine did these appear on wellllllll they were on 352,390 and 428's and this is not an isolated insident it is real common practise.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:23:57 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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> 3.50" is a 360 or 352
> 3.78" is a 390
>
332= 4.00" x 3.30"
> 352= 4.000"B x 3.500"S
> 360= 4.050" x 3.500"
> 390= 4.050" x 3.780"
406= 4.13" x 3.78"
410= 4.05" x 3.98"
427= 4.25" x 3.78"
428= 4.13" x 3.98"

I believe this covers the intire FE family other than the 391 industrial engine. In 1967 (the last year i believe (could be wrong here) the 352 was built) the 352 FE was common in the F-100's. the 67 Ranger I have came with a 352. The 360 took the place of the 352 (actually is a 352 bored) in either 68 or 69 for truck engines. Interesting point Ford built HiPro 352's but never built nor considered the 360 HiPro and if you find desire to soup a 360 up you'll need to find HiPro 352 rods or the engine will not survive it's first incounter with 5500 RPM (DOA).

Molater

Daver

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 04:27:18 UT
From: "Ryan Penner" To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Misfire
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From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 1997 12:50 PM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire

Please detail more the circumstances in which this "misfire" occurrs. This should include whether or not it is under heavy or light accelleration or just maintaining speed...hot or cold...dry or damp weather..etc...
please also list how your engine is configured...and changes you have made ...etc..
The 300 six is a very tolerant engine...I imagine your problem is with the secondary portion of the ignition system.....the plugs, wires etc...
Remember Fords love to run....don't fret.. with a little more 411 I'm positive you will be running on all six.....
In the meanwhile, do a good, very good visual inspection of plugs, wires etc...this is if you don't have access to a good old Sunscope....

......John

Hokay, It usually seems to happen whn driving with the gas half way in, and more so on cold days. My engine is configured with a .040 (I hope that is the correct way for that number) bore, Otherwise stock. I have had the ing.
stator,
ing. model, and the distributor cap, and rotar replaced in the last month.
This
seemed to clear this proble up at first but it came back, allthough not as violent.
I still need to take the truck in to ford to get the recall on the ingnition switch replaced,
which should not matter. I have gone through and checked ALL of the wires, vacumm,
and hoses, with not finding anything. BTW I LOVE this Truck!

ryan
91 F-150

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:18:29 -0700
From: Andy Aydelott
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Power Steering conversion
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Has anyone had experience converting from manual to power steering on a 1967 F250 4x4???
Looking for anyone that has info on how to do it (or done it) or any company that sells conversion kits for it.
Also looking for good source for steering parts (tie rods, drag link) for same truck.

Thanks in advance for any information.

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:36:39 -0800
From: Michael & Linda Waak To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
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Mega Ditto's fellow Fordnatics, I'm a long time listener but a first time caller.

I have found this group to be very informative and inhabited by adults (kids don't belong on usenet or ML's)

My neighbor just bought a 66' F100 for 200 bucks and we spent the last week getting the Ol' Girl going again, but I'm confused because it has a smog pump on it with the tubes running into the heads. He swears that it's the original motor but I think it must be a later model (pre '75 because it doesn't have the same set-up as my F-250 Hi Boy). If anyone can tell me when they started to put smog pumps on FE series motors we might be able to at least narrow it down a little.

Also I was wondering if anyone has the '66 tune-up specs as the it appears to have the original distributor (points).

Thanks in advance

M





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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:37:19 -0700
From: Tim & Jolee Hann To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Misfire
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Is this an EFI engine, if so is there any check engine lights come on when it happens? You may need to flush the injectors.

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From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 1997 12:50 PM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire

Please detail more the circumstances in which this "misfire" occurrs. This should include whether or not it is under heavy or light accelleration or just maintaining speed...hot or cold...dry or damp weather..etc...
please also list how your engine is configured...and changes you have made ...etc..
The 300 six is a very tolerant engine...I imagine your problem is with the secondary portion of the ignition system.....the plugs, wires etc...
Remember Fords love to run....don't fret.. with a little more 411 I'm positive you will be running on all six.....
In the meanwhile, do a good, very good visual inspection of plugs, wires etc...this is if you don't have access to a good old Sunscope....

......John

Hokay, It usually seems to happen whn driving with the gas half way in, and more so on cold days. My engine is configured with a .040 (I hope that is the correct way for that number) bore, Otherwise stock. I have had the ing.
stator,
ing. model, and the distributor cap, and rotar replaced in the last month.
This
seemed to clear this proble up at first but it came back, allthough not as violent.
I still need to take the truck in to ford to get the recall on the ingnition switch replaced,
which should not matter. I have gone through and checked ALL of the wires, vacumm,
and hoses, with not finding anything. BTW I LOVE this Truck!

ryan
91 F-150


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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:24:30 -0700
From: "Jim" To:
Subject: Re: It ...Thank you Ken! or Help me with my front end blues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree, last thing I would want is to lose people's input to the list!
Like I said before, most of the tips I've received have come from others asking questions! I respect your steadfast integrity. Yet recognized that others may wish to help. I'll keep in touch on this matter through private email, after the waters settle!
And now my truck. It's running great, the front end acts like a straight axle. When you hit a bump it's a flip of the coin which way it will turn! I was greasing it yesterday and the lower left spindle bolt grease fitting wouldn't accept any grease. I'm going out to look at it now but this leads to another question. In my manual the front end in my 73 F100 is for the F250, still a 5 lug 1/2 ton rotor. Is this common?
I'll check it out and get back with what I find.

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:45:16 -0700
From: sdelanty sonoma.net
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: FE blocks
Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>
>There's a number on the right side heads between the spark plugs. This
>can be decoded. Problem is that they may not be original heads - probably
>are as they last forever. Also, there may be an id tag under the coil.
>Since the block itself doesn't have casting number its easy to fool
>people but I doubt anyone is going to replace the heads to do this - unless
>of course it was to fool a concourse judge.


O.K., I'm not the originator of the question but I've always wondered how to I.D. an FE... When I had my block all clean for rebuild I couldn't find any useful info.
Sooo, it's all in the heads eh?
I've heard that *some* 390 truck engines and/or replacement blocks have enough meat to open up to 428 bore. (anyone got a 428 crank laying around? :-) Is this true? Anyone know how to I.D. these blocks?

The casting #'s on my heads are D2TEAA. I'm pretty certain they are origional to this block. _I_ already know the displacement, but I'd be curious to know how to decode the numbers for future reference.
Also, on the block about 1-1/2" above the "352" cast mark, is the number "3".
Whazzat mean?

Any takers to decode mine and/or tell me how?

Thanx,

Steve Delanty (sdelanty sonoma.net)

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:06:20 -0500
From: Eric Houkal
To: "fordtrucks lofcom.com" Subject: RE: slow boat from Ohio
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, thanks to all responders on this. I hadn't thought about the = floods, although I don't think that would have caused the delay in = building the truck.I think, however , it might affect the place that = installs the racking in the back (Ford jobs this out) since the dealer = insists that thetruck is at the installer's shop.
I do think a call to Ford customer service might be a place to start, = though, because apparently the truck was not built for almost 60 days = from the time I placed the order, this after every dealer I spoke with = said they were comingdown the line very quickly, some said as fast as = two weeks. As to the dealer involved, they are old customers of mine and = I consider them semi-friends. They are selling me the truck at invoice = working only on hold back, so there is little incentive for them to bust = hump to get the truck in, but I don't think they'd screw me either. = Unless it was a really good deal, anyway. This would be a hard truck to = sell off the lot as it has all the good stuff (pw, pdl, keyless etc.) = plus the utility racks in the back. I keep coming back to Ford as the = problem, and wonder if the dealer's statement about problems with = Toreador Red might be straight. If so, I sure hope the problems didn't = involve de- lamination!:-)
Thanks again, and if anybody can come up with that number for the place = to complain when yer really p'd, I'd appreciate it.
Eric

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 12:22:28 UT
From: "Ryan Penner" To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: RE: Misfire
Message-Id:

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From: Tim & Jolee Hann
Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 12:37 AM
To: 'fordtrucks lofcom.com'
Subject: RE: Misfire


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Is this an EFI engine, if so is there any check engine lights come on when it happens? You may need to flush the injectors.

No, the Check Engine Light does not come on. The ABS light stays on, but I know what is happening there.

ryan
91 F150

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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:25:15 -0700
From: Stuart Varner To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: FoMoCo build sheets....


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