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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 54

Today's Topics:

Re: slow boat from Ohio [Randy Zeilinger
Re: Misfire [FOMOCONUT aol.com ]
Re: '77 F-150 Ranger [Don Grossman ]
Re: slow boat from Ohio [Randy Zeilinger
Re: Misfire [Ken Payne ]
Re: slow boat from Ohio [Ken Payne ]
RE: Misfire [Drew Beatty
Re: mileage ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
RE: Misfire ["Ryan Penner" ]
Power Steering conversion [Andy Aydelott ]
Re: FE blocks [Michael & Linda Waak
RE: Misfire [Tim & Jolee Hann
Re: It ...Thank you Ken! or Help me ["Jim" ]
Re: FE blocks [sdelanty sonoma.net ]
RE: slow boat from Ohio [Eric Houkal ]
RE: Misfire ["Ryan Penner" ]
FoMoCo build sheets [Stuart Varner


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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:49:00 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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Eric Houkal wrote:
>
> I have seen several resoonses on the list from Ford employees (or at any rate people who seem to have access to internal Ford info, some production info, etc. The problem I am having requires info of that nature. Bacfk in February I ordered a '97 e-150 cargo van to replace my ailing 89. At that time I was told 4weeks, maybe 6 at most and my truck problems would end. Well, it's been a whole lot longer than that and I still don't have a new truck.First excuse was they were having problems with Re
> The problem has become way more critical now because my old truck no longer wants to go in reverse or overdrive and I've got a feeling the other forward gears are about to follow the same path.
>
> Eric
>
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Eric, My first guess is that the dealer is handing you a line. When the Co builds a vehicle the last thing they want is for it to sit on a lot unshipped to the dealer. Afterall they make money on the vehicles SOLD not just built.
Have been hearing stuff about dealers selling an ordered vehicle out from under a customer (especially if they cut a good price). I don't know the validity of that but I have shared it with some people at work.
Try going over the salesdroid's head to his boos or the owner of the dealership. If that doesn't work try contacting Ford Customer Service and complain.

Just my personal .02,
Randy Z.

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire
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Please detail more the circumstances in which this "misfire" occurrs. This should include whether or not it is under heavy or light accelleration or just maintaining speed...hot or cold...dry or damp weather..etc...
please also list how your engine is configured...and changes you have made ...etc..
The 300 six is a very tolerant engine...I imagine your problem is with the secondary portion of the ignition system.....the plugs, wires etc...
Remember Fords love to run....don't fret.. with a little more 411 I'm positive you will be running on all six.....
In the meanwhile, do a good, very good visual inspection of plugs, wires etc...this is if you don't have access to a good old Sunscope....

......John

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:57:37 +0000
From: Don Grossman To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: '77 F-150 Ranger
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Gerald and Lisa Hoel wrote:
>
> We purchased a 1977 F-150 Ranger about 2 mos ago and have wondered about
> some of the other components on the truck. We know the engine is a 351M
> and the tranny is a C6. Does anyone know how to identify the transfer
> case and axles(ie Dana 44 etc.). Also, how was the truck originally
> equipped?

If the truck is still origional you should have a Dana 44 front axle and a 9" rear. If it is the part-time t-case it will be a NP 205. I'm not sure what came with the Ranger package. The 77 had the funky y style steering linkage, you should look into changeing to the T style if you are thinking of doing a lift.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:01:52 -0400
From: Randy Zeilinger To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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Chris North wrote:
>
> >At 11:52 AM 4/20/97 -0500, Eric Houkal wrote:
>
>
> and Ken Payne replied:
>
> >No vehicle should take this long to get. It sounds like you're getting
> >the run-around. I read in a car buying guide about how dealers really
>
> >
> >Good luck, and I'm sorry to here about this dealer. If only the dealers
> >were as good as the vehicles.
> >
>
> Now, I am not trying to defend the unknown (to me) dealer, or Ford's
> customer service philosophy, but please bear in mind that the Ohio Valley
> recently experienced some serious flooding that just may have delayed some
> shipments. While this may not have directly affected Mr. Houkal's
> purchase, I wouldn't be suprised to find out that a whole lot of shipments
> were disrupted. If this is the case, I would expect a proactive customer
> service response would be to inform the customers of ordered vehicles of
> the problem and provide a loaner, or some other arrangement. Otherwise,
> you could expect to see more r m's on the road.
>
> chris north
>
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The Lorain Assembly Plant is in NE Ohio. I don't think they are having the flooding problem that the lower part of the state has seen. I could be wrong here but I think we were talking about a Econoline van.

Any way, my opinion of dealerships is not good, so I would blame them first.

Randy Z.

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:15:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Misfire
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At 06:26 PM 4/20/97 UT, you wrote:
>Okay, I have a '91 F-150 that seems to misfire when I am driving it at any
>speed. My question is has anyone ever had this happen to them, if so how did
>you fix it? Here is some other info, the truck has 170,000 miles on it, and I
>have just replace the shortblock in it. (300 I-6) Along with a few other
>parts.
>If anyone has any help whatsoever PLEASE tell me! :) As you can see I am
>somewhat frustrated by this nonsence.
>
>Thanx.
>
>Ryan Penner
>1991 Ford F150 4x2. Custom!
>

Loose spark plug, incorrect timing, incorrect order of plug wires on the distributor, bad routing of plug wires (causing cross firing), burnt valve (this shows up not as a misfire but as a popping noise in the exhaust system).

In no luck with these items, let us know. Once way or another it can be tracked down.
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:16:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: slow boat from Ohio
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>
>Now, I am not trying to defend the unknown (to me) dealer, or Ford's
>customer service philosophy, but please bear in mind that the Ohio Valley
>recently experienced some serious flooding that just may have delayed some
>shipments. While this may not have directly affected Mr. Houkal's
>purchase, I wouldn't be suprised to find out that a whole lot of shipments
>were disrupted. If this is the case, I would expect a proactive customer
>service response would be to inform the customers of ordered vehicles of
>the problem and provide a loaner, or some other arrangement. Otherwise,
>you could expect to see more r m's on the road.
>
>chris north
>
>

I hadn't thought about this. Could very likely be the cause.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
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Date: 20 Apr 97 16:48:33 EDT
From: Drew Beatty To: "'INTERNET:fordtrucks lofcom.com'" Subject: RE: Misfire
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If checking the easy stuff doesn't solve the problem the distributor advance mechanism may be worn out or misadjusted to the point where it is firing into the next cylinder. It can sound like a miss. I have seen this on Ford breaker point distributors with the vacuum advance. I tend to have older stuff and know next to nothing about parts built after 1975 but, hey, it's a suggestion.

By all means check the easy stuff first.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100
1974 Maverick

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At 06:26 PM 4/20/97 UT, you wrote:
>Okay, I have a '91 F-150 that seems to misfire when I am driving it at any
>speed. My question is has anyone ever had this happen to them, if so how did
>you fix it? Here is some other info, the truck has 170,000 miles on it, and I
>have just replace the shortblock in it. (300 I-6) Along with a few other
>parts.
>If anyone has any help whatsoever PLEASE tell me! :) As you can see I am
>somewhat frustrated by this nonsence.
>
>Thanx.
>
>Ryan Penner
>1991 Ford F150 4x2. Custom!
>

Loose spark plug, incorrect timing, incorrect order of plug wires on the distributor, bad routing of plug wires (causing cross firing), burnt valve (this shows up not as a misfire but as a popping noise in the exhaust system).

In no luck with these items, let us know. Once way or another it can be tracked down.
-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James A. Doty"
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: mileage
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Hi Ken:

I don't know what the mileage used to be. I bought the van last July from a local *odge dealership.

It was a basket case in need of a front brake job, muffler, steering work, and more.

Appearantly the previous owner used to try to do his own repairs and was actually quite bad at it.

In fact the steering box was just about the fall off the frame rail when I bought the van and was one of the first things we fixed.
>
> Before you check them... has the milage always been this low? If
> so then its not the bearings. If its gotten worse over the years -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- James A. Doty
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:49:20 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks ....

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