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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 52

Today's Topics:

Re: A modest proposal [Steve & Rockette
Re: Unibodies [Don Grossman ]
It can't be said enough, Thank you K ["Jim" ]
Tires ["RANDY ZEILINGER (USFMDSPR) ]
Muffler's [Wendell ]
Re: It can't be said enough, Thank y [Ken Payne ]
Re: Floatation tires [VetteEater aol.com ]
Re: Muffler's [Ken Payne ]
Dilema (sp?) [yhtlines surfari.net ]
Re: A modest proposal [Daver ]
FE blocks [Drew Beatty
Re: A modest proposal [Daver ]
Re: A modest proposal [Daver ]
Re: Muffler's [Daver ]
Re: Dilema (sp?) [Daver ]
Re: Muffler's [TOM WALLACE ]
Re: FE blocks [Daver ]
Unidentified subject! [Linda ]

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:03:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
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At 10:04 PM 18/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Gentleman, words are wind!
>
>Ever since the budget builder foolishly revealed his Chevophilia, you
>have emitted more flatulence than the exhaust behind a tired SBC. Take a
>cue from the Mopar folks--put up or shut up!
>
>Have you noticed how much vintage Ford tin out there is motorvated by
>350s? When was the last time you saw a 55 Chevy powered by a Cleveland
>or FE? Can you see where I'm leading?

Belly Buttons, everybody has one, just like SBC's. I prefer to be
an "Outcast", therefore, I have Fords.

>My open proposal is this: Find yourselves a nice, classic Chevy (nobody
>would care about an S-10), and to a complete rod-storation with NOTHING
>BUT FORD PARTS!

When I was Young, I owned a Rambler, FE390, Toploader, 9"Ford Rear,
Everyone thought I was nuts...until it ran consistant 13's.
Beat a bunch of SBC's & BBC's, It was weird, but it ran real quick...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:18:40 +0000
From: Don Grossman
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Steve & Rockette wrote:
>
> At 05:28 PM 18/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I just started recieving this mailing, and am very pleased with it.
> >This was my first Digest, and when I started reading it I was very
> >surprised. My dad recently bought a 1963 Ford Unibody, and didn't know
> >how rare they were. He later found out that the 1963's were only
> >produced for half a year, but didn't know where to find information
> >about them.
>
> This reminds Me, My favorite Wrecking yard has 3 Unibody's,
> one longbed & two shorties.
> They're in fairly good shape too. Problem is, He's parted out
> difficult to replace parts, like the tailgates, doors, front axels
> stuff that will be very hard to find good examples of.
> This annoys me also.
>
> Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
> '57 F100 Shorty
> '63 F100 Longbox

Man those shorties would make some killer street stalkers. True it
would make them hard to do a complete resto on them but they would make
some good starter projects. Just replace the gone parts with some new
kit stuff. Tail gates you can still get or just put on one of those
nets, doors you could find on a regular cab, and drop an independent
front end under the front and of course you would shave off all of the
exterior trim anyway for a nice clean look =-P

Once they put the 100 ton lady on em their gone for ever.

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang)
63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:31:03 -0700
From: "Jim"
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To see some bonehead molest your hard & generous work, has made me
appreciate this list all the more. Thank you Ken for your dedication to
giving us one of the best list on the NET! You have shown time and time
again your willingness to help. You are there when ever a helping hand is
needed. Your unselfish work to this list is shown though your slow to
anger, and readiness to assist. You receive no monitory gain for this mind
boggling endeavor to serve fellow Ford Truck enthusiast, leaves me
wondering why!
After mulling it over in my head a hundred times, it comes down to this.
You do it because you can, it's wanted by others and you want it. I to want
this list and wish to contribute. But like most I didn't know what I could
possibly do to ease the burden. Honestly Ken, seeing what must have been
hours of work you did today made me think this could easily come to an end.
There is no way you can keep this up with just a hobby status!
It came to me seeing 450+ members what we as a body could do that would
Lighten this burden. I would like to bring to a vote that we pay a fee to
belong to this list. Look everyone say we pay $1.00 a week. this would keep
people from just subscribing not knowing what their subscribing to. Second
it would net Ken $450 a week. He's got a growing family full time job and
fools acting like he tricked them onto this list, and it's his
responsibility to get them off.
Right now this is a proposal. There are many things needed to be worked
out. Ken you have put in valuable time, that you could have put to better
use. tell us how much time last week was wasted on thoughtless morons
demanding to be taken off the list. How many times did I read a post by
you, requesting us to read the FAQ. Where would the Ford Truck Homepage be
if this time wasn't wasted by repetitive and non-productive work requesting
new list users to do what was asked of them when they first joined?
When I first joined this list, I took a butthead attitude over Aerostars,
I unsubscribed without a problem. The instruction to do so was clear. Thank
God my "mind fart" soon cleared, and returned to the list. You were right
then, as you are now! One thing different between then and now, you seemed
able to contribute more time to being part of the list and less time the
administrator! The technical knowledge you have contributed to this list
has benefited so many. I hate to think of what we have been cheated out of
by irresponsible, self-centered, buttsniffs demanding your time to undo
their carelessness!
How many are willing to do this. I will hide no personal agenda. With this
in place we will get more from the list and Ken! Yes I am selfish!
No matter the outcome of this, I do thank you Ken! Your work has not gone
unnoticed! Bravo the success of your dream "FORDTRUCKS" may it continue on!
Later friends!

Jim Strigas jstrigas worldnet.att.net
"73" Ford F100 (piece a %*&#^ Love it, I Just Love it!)
"89" Ford Aerostar (a Frameless Hussy, But a good ol Gal.)
"83" Yamaha XJ900RK (Best Gift of my life! From my best friends! RSCL)
"86" Honda GoldWing GL1200 (OK, this part goes here, and this... this... I
think goes on the truck.)

Be Cool Daddy-O {B-)>

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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:32:21 EDT
From: "RANDY ZEILINGER (USFMDSPR) USAET(UTC -04:00)"
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*** Resending note of 04/19/97 00:01

Fellow REAL truck owners...
I recently put a set of BFGoodrich Radial All-Terrain 31x10.50x15's
on my 1981 F-100. I have known MANY people who loved every one of the tire's
qualities. My question is about the Mud-Terrains. Do they last as long
as the All-Terrains? A buddy of mine got his to last 60k on his lifted, over-
sized, gas guzzling Bronco. Is it safe to assume the Mud-Terrains would
give the same tread-life?

Thank you,
Marc.

Marc, I have the BFG Mud Terrains on my 6" lifter F-150 S/C. With 12,000 miles
there is little sign of wear. On my 1990 F-150 I went thru 3 sets of these
wonderful tires. First set to over 60k and did not get to the wear bars.
I put new rubber on (same BFG) and got over 50K. Only replaced them at that
point to add a safety margine to a cross country trip. Sold the 50K tires for
a good price in a garage sale. When I sold the 1990 (w/150K miles!) I gave the
tires and wheels to my father-in-law. He put them on his Bronco last year.
Drives the truck daily over 200 miles. Tires are still going strong.

The 1990 had 12.50 x 33 R15 and my 96 has 12.50 x 35.
***I know Ken, change the gears, change the gears ;-) I'll do it***

In conclusion (finally!) I wouldn't run anything but BFGoddrich tires.
Mud Terrains for my truck. And properly sized BFGs for wife's car.

Randy Z.

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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:30:14 -0500
From: Wendell
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Subject: Muffler's
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I have a 92 f-150 with a 302 and while washing it noticed some holes in my
muffler. I would like some opinions on what kind to get to replace it. Do
any of them add power or make it sound cool (not loud though)etc?


Wendell Holmquist
whmquist icontrol.net

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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 20:44:14 -0400
From: Ken Payne
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Subject: Re: It can't be said enough, Thank you Ken!
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This is long, but important, please read it.

Ever since this message came across it seems that list activity has
come to a screaching halt - I was waiting for someone else to
respond before I did. I guess I'm not patient enough!

> To see some bonehead molest your hard & generous work, has made me
>appreciate this list all the more. Thank you Ken for your dedication to
>giving us one of the best list on the NET! You have shown time and time
>again your willingness to help. You are there when ever a helping hand is
>needed. Your unselfish work to this list is shown though your slow to
>anger, and readiness to assist. You receive no monitory gain for this mind
>boggling endeavor to serve fellow Ford Truck enthusiast, leaves me
>wondering why!

I really appreciate it. However, I must give an enormous amount of credit
where credit is due: Charlie Summers. Charlie operates LOF Communications,
the site which hosts the list server. He has put in alot of "behind the
scenes work". I've dealt with alot crap, Charlie with probably just as much
if not more. Send him your thanks, and your business - LOF Communications
has auto responder, email list, web site services and more at very reasonable
prices.

The software upgrade was handled by him. I handled changing the FAQ and
Charter (HTML and text versions of each), sending a copy of each to the list
and to Charlie (the subscriber will now automatically send each new member
a copy). In addition I changed the forms on the web page to work with the
new addresses. All in all, about 2 hours work for me, don't know how much
of Charlie's time it took but I'm sure it was significant.

> After mulling it over in my head a hundred times, it comes down to this.
-snip-

>Lighten this burden. I would like to bring to a vote that we pay a fee to
>belong to this list. Look everyone say we pay $1.00 a week. this would keep
>people from just subscribing not knowing what their subscribing to. Second
>it would net Ken $450 a week. He's got a growing family full time job and
>fools acting like he tricked them onto this list, and it's his
>responsibility to get them off.

I'm flattered. I've got very mixed feelings about this. I've told
myself from the start the list would always remain free. My admin costs
are minimal. However, you are right, it does take alot of my time.
At one point I did contact a couple of companies to see if they would
pay for the list-server services in exchange for an ad on the web page.
I quickly abandoned the idea as they wanted much more than I was willing
to give. All I wanted was to give them a 400x40 graphic banner visitors could
click on in exchange for keeping my costs at $0.00. They wanted influence.
How could we as list members remain impartial about products, services
and companies under those conditions if the admin has an "agenda?"

Here is my counter proposal:

If you want, send in a voluntary contribution. I want no misunderstandings
about this: no one is being asked to pay for the list. If you want to send
something, do so - if not, don't worry about it. Send whatever you feel is
necessary.... but wait....

The money could be used to:

a. Get commercial web space - right now my personal account (which is where
the list site is hosted) is over its monthly bandwidth limitation by over
20%. The scope of services available could increase tremendously by
having commercial space - this benefits everyone. Regardless of what
happens the site will eventually have to find a new home as the bandwidth
usage keeps getting higher.

b. Perhaps start a special interest list or two such as antiques, mini-vans,
etc. Again, these would be free lists.

c. The rest could be used to pay my wife a modest amount to admin the site.
She's going to be out of commision for a while with the baby so it would
be a perfect thing for her. She's thrilled by the prospect of having
something to keep her from going out of her mind (heh, heh, little does
she know...) since she's going to be staying home alot.

Benefits:

1. No one gets rich from the list
2. No one feels pressured to pay for a list that was free when they joined it,
no one ends up feeling like "the rules have changed"
3. No outside party influences our content
4. We could use LOF Communications for our new/extra services - which repays
Charlie for all his hard work
5. Web site content would get even better....

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