Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:05:06 -0400 (EDT) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0040
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Volume 97 Number 0040 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

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Re: Ford Truck Web Page
Please delete from list
Sticker
Sticker
looking for parts
> Canopy choices
61 electrical question
1966 Ford F100 with 230/6, want V-8. List lurker steps forward...
289 head #s
List Lurker V8 Swap
RE: looking for parts
> looking for parts
> Re: '61 Electrical Question
Unsubscribe Fordtrucks
Re: looking for parts
> Re: looking for parts
> F150/ Bronco II -Reply
Comments Requested
F150/ Bronco II -Reply - Reply
Moving to Phoenix...signing off the list.
Moving to Phoenix...signing off the list. -Reply
Parts supplier
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Comments Requested


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>From payne platinum.com Tue Apr 8 18:57:12 1997 From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) Subject: Do **not** post with HTML code To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

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Please do not email using HTML browser tags. This goes against standard practices as most email packages do not support HTML natively and most corporations aren't going to change their email packages any time soon. Post using plain text only.

I've posted concerning this before and since then it has occurred on several occasions. I shall now post this information in the FAQ and charter. Just as continued posting of list server commands to the email list will lock someone out from the list, so will continued postings of HTML. More than one person is guilty of this so I'm not singling out anyone.

In addition, try to post the message in the body of the message instead of as an attachment.

HINTS: If you are posting email using Netscape or another browser and you can have different sized fonts, underlining, bold characters, etc. in your email then you are using HTML. Even if you do not use these attributes there is a good chance you are using HTML. Check you browser email settings. As a last resort, send an email to yourself, then save the incoming email to a disk file. Edit the email using Notepad (Win 3.1, 95 and NT, Mac users use a plain vanilla text editor). If you see anything like , , , etc, then you are sending email using HTML.

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Ken, "List Mom"



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>From kpayne mindspring.com Tue Apr 8 19:50:20 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Ford Truck Web Page
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 08:43 AM 4/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Kenneth,
>First of all, congratulations on a well laid out and designed page.
>Secondly, a question. I am about to change vehicles and am contemplating
>a F150. Do you know of anyone else in the UK who has one, or have you
>heard of any dealers in F150s over here? I'd like to get a feel for what
>year/condition is available for what cash! I've tried searching the net
>for info on US vehicles in the UK without much success.
>Any help is appreciated. I've subscribed to the digest message page, so
>if you want to reply through that then that's fine.
>
>Many thanks,
>

Since you said it was okay to reply via the list I've sent a copy of your message to it (above). I think someone on the list should have some information as we have over 400 members. If not, there is one link on the supplier page in the UK. I do not know anything about the supplier, only that they can supply parts for any year Ford truck and they also sell new trucks. I wish I could be of further assistance...

If any of you guys/gals on the list can help it would be great. I think it would be a very good thing if we could get this list serving owners across the Atlantic.

Good luck,

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks



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>From palenm cadvision.com Tue Apr 8 21:19:24 1997 From: Mark Palen Subject: Please delete from list
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Please delete me from your email list. Tks!



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>From suggies juno.com Tue Apr 8 22:59:54 1997 Subject: Sticker
From: suggies juno.com (David M Sugar)
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:32:19 -0500 (EST) NameFrame aol.com writes:
>We have all seen the "Piss on Ford sticker." Now I have created the
>"Shit on
>Chevy" sticker. If you would like to obtain a copy of this sticker,
>send me
>E-mail at NameFrame AOL.com. Include "sticker" as the subject.
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks lofcom.com
>For help send a message with "HELP" in the body
>to:list-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>

Sure I would like a copy of the sticker.

address is:
David Sugar
2909 Old Court Road
Baltimore, MD 21208


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>From suggies juno.com Tue Apr 8 23:00:14 1997 Subject: Sticker
From: suggies juno.com (David M Sugar)
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:32:19 -0500 (EST) NameFrame aol.com writes:
>We have all seen the "Piss on Ford sticker." Now I have created the
>"Shit on
>Chevy" sticker. If you would like to obtain a copy of this sticker,
>send me
>E-mail at NameFrame AOL.com. Include "sticker" as the subject.
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks lofcom.com
>For help send a message with "HELP" in the body
>to:list-request lofcom.com
>Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>
>

Sure I would like a copy of the sticker.

address is:
David Sugar
2909 Old Court Road
Baltimore, MD 21208


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>From duckdon pacific.net Tue Apr 8 23:06:10 1997 From: Don Grossman Subject: looking for parts
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hey there

I'm looking for a special set of line nuts for the brake system. They are the ones that attach the brake line to the master cylinder on a 77-79 3/4 ton 4x4 with the twin piston calipers. I am unable to find an adapter that works do to the thread pitch.. My next stop is a Ford dealer ( for 20 year old parts.. ya right) and then the scrap yards.

If anyone has any good sources let me know

TIA
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-150 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-250 4x4


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>From Turtle ieway.com Tue Apr 8 23:16:02 1997 From: "Jim Tourtillotte" Subject: Canopy choices
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

You get what you pay for. The Brahma's are a lot better than they used to be, but they still crack after prolonged exposure to sunlight and vibration (not that you would ever park outside or go on dirt roads). I've worked for a second hand canopy shop for three years now, and I'd recommend the Glasstite. It's expensive, but like I said, you get what you pay for. If you decide to buy a used one, make sure it has a cutout for your third brake light. Also, in many states, a third brake light is required on 96 and newer.



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>From rmeier connect.net Tue Apr 8 23:30:16 1997 From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: 61 electrical question
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Eric writes:
>truck circuitry with no key in the ignittion. I observed a 0 to
>300mA current draw cycling about 1Hz....(In other words, the needle
>would swing between 0 and 300mA once every second, constantly and
>rythmically).
>
Eric,
The in dash regulator for the guages has a frequency close to that, and about that same current draw. It is not supposed to be on when the ignition switch is off, however if the ignition switch has been miswired or is kaput it may be powered up even when the switch is off. Look inside and see if the guages are active when the switch is off. Look at the fuel guage, the others will read at the bottom when the engine is off anyway.
Hope you find it, dead batts are the pits.
Roger Meier



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>From sdelanty sonoma.net Tue Apr 8 23:54:39 1997 From: sdelanty sonoma.net
Subject: 1966 Ford F100 with 230/6, want V-8. List lurker steps forward...
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The question is asked...

>I want to replace the 230 Straight Six with a V-8. I want an engine that will
>drop in place and bolt up to the Warner T-18 Four Speed Transmission that is
>in the truck now. Secondly, there is a shaft, for the clutch, that runs
>between the Frame Rail and the Engine Block. Does any one have any
>suggestions as to what year, and size of Engine I could use.

O.K. I've been reading this list for a couple weeks, this looks like a good time for an intro...

I'm Steve and I have a '71 F100 stepside with a FE390 and T18 tranny.

I'm not familiar with a 230cid 6 cylinder? Do You mean 240cid?
If You have a 240/6 the following may be of interest. If You have a 230 then I dunno...

When I got my truck it had a 240/6 in it. The motor was toasted and not rebuildable, so I had to go motor hunting.
I had intended to put a 300/6 in place of my dead 240, but I coudn't find a decent one in my area for a reasonable price.
What I did find was a FE360 from a '73 F250. I got to hear it run, and it ran O.K., but had an ominous (and odd) knock at low rpm and burned some oil.
The guy said He was gonna swap in a better motor from a wrecked truck He had and He wanted $75 for this one. I agreed and came back in the evening with a small trailer.
He had the motor out of the truck and hanging from the hoist by then and We did the deal. It turned out He had a bunch of F250 parts and for $25 more I bought an alternator, flywheel for the 360 (the 360 had been equipped with a C6 so just had a flexplate), and *the correct bellhousing to bolt it all up to a T-18!*
I was ecstatic hauling my new toys home... (-:

When I got it all home and stripped it all down, it turned out that it had never been apart and cylinder bores and crank where still standard.
The ominous knock was not a rod but was the timing chain, so loose it was slapping the inside of the timing cover at low rpm.!
Oh yeah, It also turned out not to be a FE360, but a FE390!
Nice core motor for $75!! I was dirt poor at the time and needed a truck bad so this was good.
After much measuring, I honed the cyls, put fresh rings on old pistons, had crank turned .010", replaced bearings, timing gears/chain, cam/lifters, oil pump, had the heads done up nice with hardened exhaust seats, new guides, new valves/retainers/keepers, and 280 lb springs.
A little Ford blue paint and it's ready to go in...

Installation was incredibly and enexpectedly easy.

One of the cool things about the T-18 is that it was apparently used with lots of different motors. The bell housing unbolts and it seems all the popular patterns are available. Ford used many motors in these trucks through the Years including: 240/6, 300/6, 302, 351, FE352, FE360, FE390, 400, 460, asst diesels, and God knows what else. Most were probably available with a T-18.

All my stuff bolted right up. It was a breeze.
Everything was available stock from my local parts store. Clutch, pressure plate, pilot bushing, all stock 390 stuff. The clutch pivot screws into the block on the 240, but the 390 had no place to screw it into. I found a nut that fit the pivot threads, welded the nut to a piece of 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" angle iron, drilled a hole and used one of the bellhousing bolts to attach it in the correct place. I'm sure the correct part is available stock, but the welder was closer than the wrecking yard...

The stock 240 motor mounts sit on stamped steel supports that bolt to the frame.
On my '71 there was a second set of holes in the frame, about 2-1/2" back from the
origional location. Move the supports back to these holes and they bolt right up to the FE352/360/390 mounts. THANK YOU FORD!

Once the motor is in, a few other details:

The radiator outlets on the V-8 is different than the 6. You'll need to get the correct V-8 radiator. The one for the FE390 bolted right up, the mounting holes were there in the correct location already, but I had to trim back about 3" of sheet metal that obviously would have been stamped out at the factory for V-8.
Rad hoses are stock F100 w/390 stuff.

The accelerator pedal assy was different for 6 cyl or V-8. the arm is a different length in the engine compartment. wrecking yard stuff.

I had to lengthen a couple of wires to make them reach for the 390. Oil pressure and water temp I think. Not a problem.

It was an outrageuosly easy swap, since Ford already had done it.
Your '66 was offered with FE power as well so it should be a snap.

>Supposedly, I should be able to go down to Checker Auto Parts and get a 352
> Engine for my truck for about $850. Any body have anything to say about the
>"good ol' 352 Motor", please send a reply. Thanks.

Yeah, I'd have to say that the FE352 is the least desirable FE to put in it.
It shares the same basic block design (and weight) as FE360, FE390, FE427 but it's only 352cid )-:
A 360 or 390 bolts in anywhere a 352 does and were more plentiful and much more powerful so why not?
You won't get any better gas mileage with 352 than 390. They all look the same from the outside, and all have "352" cast onto the front of the block.
Put a 390 in and tell people it's a 352 if You want. (-;

My 390 has mild cam, adjustable rockers, 600cfm carterAFB carb on stock 4-bbl manifold, I spent a few hours cleaning up the heads (mostly those awful exhaust ports) with a die grinder, stock '76 duraspark magnetic pickup distributor with
modified vacuum advance and big cap adaptor/8mm wires, MSD-6A, and 2-1/2" dual exhaust with crossover and dynomax muffs. Since I retained the stock pistons, it is only 8:1 comp.
This is a very mild FE390 motor, but it pulls my 4200lb truck around quite nicely.
It makes awesome torque right up to 5000rpm, pulls stumps at 1200rpm, and is smooth as silk and very responsive.
It's stone reliable.
It burns the cheapest 87 octane gas I can find without complaint at 12 degrees initial ign advance.
It's only a work truck, but it'll show sbc ch*vy trucks it's tailpipes every time. I LOVE MY FE390!

I highly recommend this swap...

Happy motoring,


Steve Delanty (sdelanty sonoma.net)



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>From Doug_Neely bc.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 9 00:14:21 1997 From: Doug Neely Subject: 289 head #s
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Garry,
One head is 4M28, the other is 5A8, when did they change the shape of the water passages,this set has the old style crescent shaped ones.
Thanks for the info
Cheers,
Doug


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>From Doug_Neely bc.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 9 01:33:24 1997 From: Doug Neely Subject: List Lurker V8 Swap
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On the V8 swap ,did you have to change the input shaft on the trans or are they a standard size for all the engines? The reason for asking is I just pulled my friends 289 out and it looks like a major rebuild is in order (they wear out hauling loaded horse trailers around),so he's considering a step up to an FE, if it's just a bellhousing,clutch, and mounts it may be a better option.
Cheers,
Doug

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