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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0038
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Volume 97 Number 0038 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: 351M vs. 351W
Re: 1966 Ford F-100 - Adding Power Brakes
6cyl to V-8 swap
Re: 351M vs. 351W
Re: Powerstroke Water in Fuel Light
Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes - Reply
RE: Need 460 Motor Mounts
Need 460 Motor Mounts

Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L)
RE: 351M vs. 351W
289 Identification
New Process Transmissions
RE: 6cyl to V-8 swap
RE: 289 Identification
Re: Source for Trim Clips for 59 Ranchero
Bellhousings/ was 351M vs 351W
Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
Source for Trim Clips for 59 Ranchero -Reply
Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L)
Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L) -Reply
Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
Re: Bellhousings/ was 351M vs 351W
F150/Bronco II
351M vs. 351W
Re: 351M vs. 351W
take me off the list


* PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE DIGEST IN REPLIES TO THE LIST! *

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>From duckdon pacific.net Sun Apr 6 20:04:19 1997 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

william enox wrote:
>

> 302/351W bellhousing.
> Can anyone tell me if the 300 Six has a comon bellhousing with any V8?

clue me in too.
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-100 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-100 4x4


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>From duckdon pacific.net Sun Apr 6 20:09:33 1997 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: 1966 Ford F-100 - Adding Power Brakes To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The 65-79 use the same size power booster brackets so the holes should be in place for the bracket to mount to the cab. Just add a perportioning(?) valve and some new lines and you are on your way.


--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......

65 Ford F-100 4x4 (soon to be 72 Mustang) 63 Ford F-100 4x4


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>From tanya tx3.com Sun Apr 6 20:56:31 1997 From: "Tanya Wagger"
Subject: 6cyl to V-8 swap
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi,
Would this go for the earlier 223 6cyl ? My son has one and wants to swap in a smallblock Thanks Charlie

----------
> The 6 clyinder and the 289-302 share the same bell housing
> Garry
> --- On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:51:40 -0400 (EDT) william enox
> wrote:
>
> >Ken Payne wrote:
> >
> > At 06:09 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
> > >The 351M is a piece of junk. You would be much better off running
> > 351W.
> > There are many more things you can do to a 351W than you can to a
> > 351M. As
> > far as I know the last time I went to find different pistons for a
> > 351M/400
> > you could only get stock C/R pistons. With a 351W you can do pistons
> > of all
> > types, you can do many different things for heads. List is endless.
> > Dont
> > waste you money on the "M" engine.
> > >
> >
> > Agreed, the C6 however is a wonderful tranny. Since it has the bell
> > housing
> > built in does the 351M C6 have the same bold pattern as the 351W?
> > If so,
> > I'd hang on to the C6 and put it on the 351W
> >
> >The 351M/400 has the same bellhousing as the 429/460, the 351C has a
> >302/351W bellhousing.
> >Can anyone tell me if the 300 Six has a comon bellhousing with any V8?
> >
> >
> >
> >____________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> -----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Name: Garry
> E-mail: mcat epix.net
> Date: 4/6/97 Time: 6:21:12 PM
>
> 427 Fe powered F-100 Wild by design
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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>From wodackjc-stu mlc-wels.edu Sun Apr 6 21:13:30 1997 From: "Jason C Wodack" Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>I'm pretty sure that the bellhousing...
--snip--

I'm not real big on trannys so explain to a rookie what is the bellhousing?


Jason Wodack


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>From wodackjc-stu mlc-wels.edu Sun Apr 6 21:20:13 1997 From: "Jason C Wodack" Subject: Re: Powerstroke Water in Fuel Light To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> I have a Powerstroke 1996 250 with 12k miles.
> Regular oil and filter changes each 3k miles.
>
> For the last two months, whenever I make a sharp
> right handed turn (i.e. highway entrance ramp / loop)
> the Water in Fuel Light comes on. I have already drained
> the water lever under the hood twice, with no real change
> in this. I never noticed this before. Any ideas / suggestions?
>

I'm no genius on diesels but could it be some of the water is getting back into the fuel/water seperator, or maybe the fuel/water seperator isn't working to full efficiency? I'd double check to for any valve troubles in the seperator, and, at the risk of sounding like a parts swaper instead of a mechanic, maybe try replacing it and hope it works.

My hummble 1/2c. worth

Jason Wodack



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>From bigric mail.utexas.edu Sun Apr 6 21:28:16 1997 From: bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Cherico) Subject: Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes - Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com


>I remember reading somewhere that you have to use a special
>caliper grease(it helps the caliper slide back better) when you

On the angled piece of metal that the caliper slides on (the one you remove to remove the caliper-I can't remember the name) it's a good idea to clean it off and put some anti-sieze lube or something else on it to keep it greased. Don't know how much it helps in terms of heat buildup due to stuck calipers, but it never hurts.
bigric mail.utexas.edu
'68 Ford F100 Custom Cab Stepside 360 FE '66 VW Beetle 1300->1500



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>From rcollins micron.net Sun Apr 6 22:10:01 1997 From: Randy Collins Subject: RE: Need 460 Motor Mounts
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Jonathan,

I am parting out a mid seventies Ford 2WD. I have the Ford mounts you = need and the perches if the truck was originally equipped with an inline = six. Let me know if you are interested. =20

Randy Collins
rcollins micron.net
Boise, Idaho
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From: Jonathan Martin[SMTP:bubmrtn jane.penn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 06, 1997 8:54 AM
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Need 460 Motor Mounts

I'm putting a 460 in a '77 2WD F150 and I need some motor mounts. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Jonathan Martin(bubmrtn penn.com
'77 F150 Stepside


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>From mustang dodgenet.com Sun Apr 6 22:22:17 1997 From: mustang dodgenet.com (Rick Degelau) Subject:
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Delete from mailing list.

Rick Degelau
mustang dodgenet.com




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>From cdkelly juno.com Sun Apr 6 22:46:30 1997 From: cdkelly juno.com
Subject: Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L)
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

where can I get this pipe to replace the air muffler, if you don't know where to get one how much will you charge me to make one. I have a 94 ranger splash. I have dynomax 2 1/4 exhaust from cat back, k&n air filter, computer chip. I was wonderinf if anyone knows if I upgrade the rest of my exhaust to 2 1/4" if I will have to replace the factory header. Looking at it looks like the flange my be that big toward the end of it. Where can I find a cam for my truck, I called crane cams and they told me there was not a cam available yet for my truck. They said I could try one but the computer might not except it. A supercharger cost to much 2300.00 that's a healthy start on 5.0 transfer. Nitros cause alot of internal were, even though it will probably still at last any Chevy on the road. If you make that 5.0 transplant let me know how it goes. I might want to do that in the future. I've added lots of accesories for looks if anyone is interested: fiberglass tonneau cover, bug sheild, sun visor, rear window sun deflector, ford logo tailight covers (awesome), piss on chevy and fear this FORD stickers, bed mat, and vent visors. I also removed the console between the seats it adds alot of interior room, and the drink holders you could never use anyway if you have a stick shift.
Chris Kelly
Bel Air, MD
94 Ford Ranger Splash
81 vw rabbit
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:03:12 -0500 (EST) silent.bob juno.com writes:
>On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:35:20 -0500 (EST) "Diego Millan"
> writes: >Hello,
>>
>>Does anybody know how to make a 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L) quicker without
>>voiding
>>the warranty? I use it to go to work (over 50 miles hiway per day).
>>It
>>lacks passing
>>power and has a hard time when highway slopes up.
>>
>>I know I should have bought the bigger engine but is there a quick
>>fix?
>>
>>Will appreciate any comments, suggestions, etc.
>>
>>DM
>
>I know how you feel, although it does get great gas milage for a
>truck,
>it does lack passing and towing power.
>
>Well, for starters, you can remove the baffle behind the air filter,
>and
>take that air muffler that is between the mass air flow sensor and the
>throttle
>body off and replace it with a piece of 20 gauge stainless steel pipe
>that you can
>either find or do like i did and roll it, then tack or spot weld it
>together, and to
>make it look really nice, polish it with a polishing wheel, or you
>can use
>sandpaper. That added a little bit more hp and made it a little louder
>also.
>
>There are some more things you can do to it, but it will cost you a
>little bit more money. You can throw a cam in it, you can put a
>supercharger on it, (if
>you are brave, you can go NOS), K&N Air filter, Flowmasters pipes,
>etc....
>...OR...
>
>you can do what im planing to do and swap it out with a 5.0L ;)
>
>Robert Inman
>95 Ranger Supercab 2.3L
>
>silent.bob juno.com
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>From canzus seanet.com Sun Apr 6 23:11:26 1997 From: Steve & Rockette Subject: RE: 351M vs. 351W
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>At 06:09 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>The 351M is a piece of junk.

Not quite true...If you want to build a torque monster, you have a very good foundation. You can put a 400C crank in this block, you can install 351C 4 bbl heads on this block, but the intake manifold might not fit, I remember someone was making intakes to fit 351C 4bbl heads on the 400C block, but don't remember who.
Another "Fun Ford Fact"; 351C & 400C use the same pistons.
Think about the rod/stroke ratio, 6.580"/4.00". Pretty cool.
Plus any cam that fits the 351C, fits the 400C.
I used to have a 400C in a 72 LTD, with a mild cam,headers, 2bbl heads, 4bbl intake( Edelbrock ), Holly 750cfm Vac secondaries, and C6, with 4.11:1 gears, it'd try to get the front wheels off the ground, it also nosed over above 4500 rpm, I blamed the heads;-).

These engines can make humongus amounts of torque, almost as much as the 460, with the right combo of parts...

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox



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>From Doug_Neely bc.sympatico.ca Mon Apr 7 02:11:50 1997 From: Doug Neely Subject: 289 Identification
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi all,
Just pulled the engine from a friends 71, it appears to be a 289, but I can't find any ID numbers except in the lifter valley. It has 289 & 65 cast in, is this the year code or did all 289s have this cast into them ? He's considering a rebuild so I'm tracking down prices on parts for him but I need a year to start at.P.S. I haven't found any info on 289s being installed in 71 F250s but it has a short throw crank so it's not a 302.
Cheers,
Doug


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>From mbaker slate.mines.edu Mon Apr 7 04:35:51 1997 From: Mathew Baker Subject: New Process Transmissions
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Does anybody out there know how to identify New Process transmessions?
I have a NP 5 speed transmission that is a little larger than a Warner T18/98 and NP431. This transmission has a 7.5:1 ratio first gear, and a 1:1 5th gear. The pto cover is on the passenger side, and it takes the same pto as a Warner T98. It has a shifting pattern of: 1 2 4 R on top, and 3 5 on bottom.
I think that this is a NP504 tranny, and it is the perfect size to put in an older 4X4 truck with a divorced transfer case. I am thinking that I can use 3.53 or 3.73 differential gears and still have a good low ratio gears for my 4X4, but have decent highway gears. I don't plan to use this truck much for off-roading, so I am not too concerned with my low gears. My low-low gear ratio will 52:1 which I think will be ok for offroad since I don't plan to do any rock crawling.


Mat Baker
1964 F-250 4X4 Custom Cab, 292 Y-block


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>From mcat epix.net Mon Apr 7 06:22:50 1997 From: mcat epix.net
Subject: RE: 6cyl to V-8 swap
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The 223 will not bolt up The 170 might i`m not sure. The 250 &300 will.
351c & 351m use different pin sizes as does the400.Not an easy swap for pistons. Columbus Performace has pistion kits for all three and they are quality parts.
Garry
--- On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Tanya Wagger wrote:

>Hi,
> Would this go for the earlier 223 6cyl ? My son has one and wants to swap
>in a smallblock Thanks Charlie
>
>----------
>> The 6 clyinder and the 289-302 share the same bell housing
>
>> Garry
>> --- On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:51:40 -0400 (EDT) william enox
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Ken Payne wrote:
>> >
>> > At 06:09 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >The 351M is a piece of junk. You would be much better off running
>> > 351W.
>> > There are many more things you can do to a 351W than you can to a
>> > 351M. As
>> > far as I know the last time I went to find different pistons for a
>> > 351M/400
>> > you could only get stock C/R pistons. With a 351W you can do pistons
>> > of all
>> > types, you can do many different things for heads. List is endless.
>> > Dont
>> > waste you money on the "M" engine.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Agreed, the C6 however is a wonderful tranny. Since it has the bell
>> > housing
>> > built in does the 351M C6 have the same bold pattern as the 351W?
>> > If so,
>> > I'd hang on to the C6 and put it on the 351W
>> >
>> >The 351M/400 has the same bellhousing as the 429/460, the 351C has a
>> >302/351W bellhousing.
>> >Can anyone tell me if the 300 Six has a comon bellhousing with any V8?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >____________________________________________________________________
>> >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/
>> >To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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>to:list-request lofcom.com
>> >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne mindspring.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Name: Garry
>> E-mail: mcat epix.net
>> Date: 4/6/97 Time: 6:21:12 PM
>>
>> 427 Fe powered F-100 Wild by design
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 4/7/97 Time: 5:18:37 AM

427 Fe powered F-100 Wild by design
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>From mcat epix.net Mon Apr 7 06:32:59 1997 From: mcat epix.net
Subject: RE: 289 Identification
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

All 289 had displacement cast into the lifter valley. Casting no on the side will start with C4,C5,C6,C7,C8 This will be appx year look for small letters and numbers for casting date code. Postthem and i`ll give you exact year and casting date.
Garry
--- On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Doug Neely wrote:

>Hi all,
> Just pulled the engine from a friends 71, it appears to be a 289,
>but I can't find any ID numbers except in the lifter valley. It has
>289 & 65 cast in, is this the year code or did all 289s have this
>cast into them ? He's considering a rebuild so I'm tracking down prices
>on parts for him but I need a year to start at.P.S. I haven't found any
>info on 289s being installed in 71 F250s but it has a short throw crank
>so it's not a 302.
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>
>

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 4/7/97 Time: 5:27:04 AM

427 Fe powered F-100 Wild by design
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>From PonyTom aol.com Mon Apr 7 07:16:37 1997 From: PonyTom aol.com
Subject: Re: Source for Trim Clips for 59 Ranchero To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hello,
In reference to the body trim clips for holding the stainless? to the body.
Most Paint, and body shop supply houses carry virtually any type clip right there in the store, not only that , but you can look at what they have, and match it up. The reason for the ? at the Stainless is....not all of it is stainless....some of the parts of the trim that goes around the bed are regular steel , chromed. I am referring to the short 90 degree bent peices at the corners. These are all fastened with stainless trim screws , same as interior fasteners. Local Mustang supply can do you for these.
Good luck

Tom Maguire '59 Ranchero
'78 E-350


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>From PonyTom aol.com Mon Apr 7 07:41:39 1997 From: PonyTom aol.com
Subject: Bellhousings/ was 351M vs 351W To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Fordtruckers,
Saw a Couple posts to the list asking what a Bellhousing is, Quite simple it is required on all rear wheel drive vehicles, and on some it is an integeral part of the transmission. It is a Bell shaped Casting that adapts the smaller transmission to the bigger engine. On automatic's it contains the Torque - converter, and on Standard's it contains the cluch.
Hope that answers the question.

Tom Maguire '59 Ranchero
'78 E-350


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>From payne platinum.com Mon Apr 7 09:48:32 1997 From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> I'm pretty sure that the bellhousing is the same for the Modified
>engines and the Big Blocks, and the 351w is the same as the Cleveland
>engines, so the bell housings aren't interchangeable.
>
>
>Mat Baker
>1964 F-250 Custom Cab 4X4, 292 Y-block

Thanks, filing this information away for future reference.




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>From payne platinum.com Mon Apr 7 09:50:32 1997 From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) Subject: Source for Trim Clips for 59 Ranchero -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Obsolete Ford Parts, on the web page.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

Follow the suppliers link.

>>> Antonio Gonella 04/06/97 04:15pm >>>
>Hello All,
>I'm am searching for a source for the clips (and body trim!) to attach
>body trim for a 59 Ranchero. I am debating whether to shave and fill the
>trim a la steet rod, or go a more "correct" route. All suggestions
>welcome.
>Antonio




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>From silent.bob juno.com Mon Apr 7 09:57:48 1997 From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:46:30 -0400 (EDT) cdkelly juno.com writes:
>where can I get this pipe to replace the air muffler, if you don't
>know where to get one how much will you charge me to make one. I have

Just Cover the cost of postage, and ill make you one for free.

Ill have more on it as i develop my web site with pictures of what i've done to the truck and what i plan to do and i plan to make it kind of a information trade site for Ranger Owners. Its still under major construction, but i have posted some of the frame work to the site, there will be much more, once i get around to scanning my photos and start posting information, any ideas, or if you would like to add on to the site, is welcome.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.icelair.com/ranger

I plan to by the motor thru Ford SVO's catalog, then i saw where Summit Racing put a T5 6 speed tranny in a 95 Ranger 5.0. I would like to get my hands on that tranny. Plan to have it done by the end of this year.

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>From payne platinum.com Mon Apr 7 09:59:36 1997 From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The bell housing is a bell shaped (naturally) piece of metal that bolts to the rear of the engine. The transmission in turn, bolts to the bell housing. This allows some interchangability with trannys to different engines. Instead of having to build a tranny with 6 different bolt patterns, a manufacturer builds one tranny and 6 different bell housings... much cheaper that way. In some cases (as with the C6) the bell-housing is part of the transmission and not removable, hence the transmission is built with more than one bolt pattern. The large end of the bell mates to the engine, the small end to the transmission.

>>I'm pretty sure that the bellhousing...
>--snip--
>
>I'm not real big on trannys so explain to a rookie what is the
>bellhousing?
>
>
>Jason Wodack




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>From payne platinum.com Mon Apr 7 10:32:49 1997 From: PAYNK (Ken Payne) Subject: Re: Quicker 97-Ranger XLT (2.3L) -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

-snip-
>Ill have more on it as i develop my web site with pictures of what i've
>done to the truck and what i plan to do and i plan to make it kind of a
>information trade site for Ranger Owners. Its still under major
>construction, but i have posted some of the frame work to the site, there
>will be much more, once i get around to scanning my photos and start
>posting information, any ideas, or if you would like to add on to the
>site, is welcome.

>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.icelair.com/ranger

Would you like a link on the Ford Trucks List web site to yours?




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>From wodackjc-stu mlc-wels.edu Mon Apr 7 11:08:13 1997 From: "Jason C Wodack" Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> The bell housing is a bell shaped (naturally) piece of metal that
> bolts to the rear of the engine. The transmission in turn, bolts
> to the bell housing. This allows some interchangability with
> trannys to different engines. Instead of having to build a tranny
> with 6 different bolt patterns, a manufacturer builds one tranny
> and 6 different bell housings... much cheaper that way. In some
> cases (as with the C6) the bell-housing is part of the transmission
> and not removable, hence the transmission is built with more than
> one bolt pattern. The large end of the bell mates to the engine,
> the small end to the transmission.


Hey thanks a lot!!
It's good to know I can actually learn something on the internet!!
Jason Wodack


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>From wodackjc-stu mlc-wels.edu Mon Apr 7 11:13:19 1997 From: "Jason C Wodack" Subject: Re: Bellhousings/ was 351M vs 351W To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> Hi Fordtruckers,
> Saw a Couple posts to the list asking what a Bellhousing is, Quite simple
> it is required on all rear wheel drive vehicles, and on some it is an
> integeral part of the transmission. It is a Bell shaped Casting that adapts
> the smaller transmission to the bigger engine. On automatic's it contains the
> Torque - converter, and on Standard's it contains the cluch.
> Hope that answers the question.
>
> Tom Maguire '59 Ranchero
> '78 E-350 Thanks a lot. now all have to do is figure out how they work on the inside.

Jason Wodack


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>From wodackjc-stu mlc-wels.edu Mon Apr 7 11:22:48 1997 From: "Jason C Wodack" Subject: F150/Bronco II
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hey all,
I've been having this really strange vision of replacing the drine train on my Bronco II with that of an f150. I was wondering if any of you ever had this idea before or had ever done something like it?
Were there any major problems? If I wanted would I also have to replace the tranny(altogether bad idea since I had to ask what a bellhousing was)? I know I'd have to get a shortened drive shaft, does anyone know where I can get one without having it custom made?
also I don't rember if the wheels from a Bronco II would fit on a F150 spindle, their 15 inch rims I'm not entirely sure about the width but they originally had P205=R15 tires on them.

Any help on this at all would be apreciated.

Jason Wodack


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>From hoel coastalnet.com Mon Apr 7 12:47:16 1997 From: Gerald and Lisa Hoel Subject: 351M vs. 351W
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I own a 77 f-150 stepside with a solid wood bed, and 33's. This truck has a 351M that I'm rebuilding right now. Parts are a bit more difficult to find than for other engines and some parts are more and some are less expensive than other engine parts. I resent the 351M being called a piece of junk just because parts are hard to find. It's a flexible block because you have the option to put a 400 crank in it or leave the 351. I also know that the 351M puts out some awesome torque.
I had just bought the truck and I knew it had some problems. Before I discovered what was wrong and started the engine rebuild, I was driving it with a dead cylinder. With that I could still break rubber on dry pavement. Later, losing yet another cylinder, while on the way to my shop so I could pull the engine for rebuild, it would still run well enough to drive.

Jerry


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>From gypsybill usa.net Mon Apr 7 13:41:57 1997 From: "Bill Rotureau" Subject: Re: 351M vs. 351W
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> I own a 77 f-150 stepside with a solid wood bed, and 33's. This
> truck has a 351M that I'm rebuilding right now. Parts are a bit
> more
> difficult to find than for other engines and some parts are more....


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