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Volume 97 Number 0032 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: MARC NIRENBERG
Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
> Greetings
Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
> Re: unsubscribe
RE: F350 BRAKES
> Re: your mail
Re: Saddle Tanks for F100
Re: Greetings
Re: your mail
Re: Greetings
61-79 Truck Parts
> Bad Brakes, or Bad Habits?
Radiator upgrade for 55
Re: [angus wwi.net: Great page!]
Re: 61-79 Truck Parts
> Just a few questions
Re: Just a few questions
95's
knock in your ch#vy
Re: Just a few questions
Re: Just a few questions
Check out the ads
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Radiator upgrade for 55
incorrect e-mail
tshirt offer
Read the FAQ and charter if you haven't
8.8 ring gear backlash


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>From chrisn liffey.infohwy.com Fri Mar 28 00:47:25 1997 From: Chris North
Subject: Re: MARC NIRENBERG
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I know you are proud of your truck, but please leave the caps lock off. It makes my eyes bleed.

chris north




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>From chrisn liffey.infohwy.com Fri Mar 28 01:13:12 1997 From: Chris North
Subject: Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>>I am the owner of a 1992 Ford F350 4x4 truck. It's a 1 ton, crewcab truck
>>with
>>>a 460 engine. It's used within a construction company so it regularly
>carries
>>>heavy loads. The truck has the standard front end disc brakes system.
>Within
>>>65,000 miles I have had to COMPLETELY replace the front brakes 5 times or
>>appx.
>>
>>-snip-
>>
>>These are going to seem like stupid questions but I must ask them. Who is
>>driving the truck and what are the habits of that driver? How much is a
>>"heavy load?" Years ago I worked for a landscaping company during high
>>school summer break and it was amazing how many maintenance problems that
>>the old F250 had. Little did the boss know that we took it off road fully
>>loaded, drove it at 90mph, smoked the tires and just generally abused the
>>hell out of it. Perhaps this is what's going on now? I've never heard of
>> brake failure like that without some underlying cause. The bigger F series
>>are known for eating brake pads but not bearings and discs. Additionally,
>>maybe bigger cross drilled discs would move the heat away better. Have you
>>tried a different pad material?
>
>You all are getting me rather worried with this talk of brake trouble on
>the F-350's.
>I have a 97 F350 4x4 Crew Cab PowerStroke on order because my 97 Dodge
>2500HD Cummins has
>horrible brake pulls, and eats pads like a teenage football player on a
>Friday night at McDonalds. I see tons of F350's pulling trailers and
>loads around here, and all the
>contractors use these and work them hard. All I have ever heard was how
>strudy these trucks
>were, and that the brakes were more than adequate for the GVW ratings.
>
>Was this a problem Ford worked out in later year models (like 95, 96 or
>97), or are frequent
>pad changes and warped rotors the norm? If that's the case, I definitely
>need to reconsider
>as I'm not playing braking games again.
>
>All advice and candor is appreciated!

A friend of mine works for a motorhome rental company in the service dept.
He frequently complains about the rotors needing replacement after 10,000 miles, or less. I have also heard about similar problems with the Rams. I think the brake design engineering has gotten to the point where they are designing to computer models that do not reflect typical usage. This permits a lighter design, which benifits CAFE. In addition, the rotors are typically considered wear items which are not covered by warranty.
Translation: The manufacturer can save money and improve CAFE by using a lighter brake system and not have to worry about warranty costs. And no, aftermarket parts are not the solution as a aftermarket replacement which would last longer and provide the same or better performance would prove the original design deficient, and the designers would not allow that.

My 78 E250 still has its original rotors. It has over 150,000 miles and has been driven by just about every member of a very large extended family.
I know some of the drivers " drove it at 90mph, smoked the tires and just generally abused the hell out of it", well maybe not smoked the tires, but definately abused the hell out of it, fully loaded.

If you can't tell, I am just a little pissed at this "let's screw the owner" attitude the auto makers have taken towards the brake systems. I definately feel better now, though.

chris north




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>From eodani varney.idbsu.edu Fri Mar 28 02:03:11 1997 From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" Subject: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...

I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292, some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.
He passed away in '80 or '81 and the truck has pretty much sat until last year. It was probably driven less than 100 miles and started a dozen times in those 14 years. I had to replace a 6" section of fuel line and the truck fired right up and purred just like a kitten. Just an incredible sound. (Grandpa did put a glass-pack muffler on it, or it came that way, who knows...)

Right now I plan on just getting it in good running shape and saving the cosmetics for later. I hope to be able to go deer hunting this year with grandpa's pickup and his old 30/30. Kind of a tribute since I never got to go hunting with him.

Anyway. Thank you to the owner of this list. And I've read the archive and many of you sound knowledgeable, so I will ask questions...

The first one being:

The truck has 15" 8-hole wheels (3-piece, I think) on it. I'd prefer to go to one-piece wheels because I hadn't ever heard of multiple-piece wheels until the tire guy pointed them out to me...
He said 15" 8-holers would probably be hard to find, but 16" wouldn't. Is there any real reason besides authenticity to keep the wheels that are on it? I'm not that concerned about the truck being absolutely original because, frankly, I don't like the color of green that grandpa picked out... Any idea if those wheels are worth anything and how much?

Erik O'Daniel
Boise, Idaho


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>From marko helix.net Fri Mar 28 03:41:05 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On the topic of brakes....

I have a 71 f250 4x4 with drums all round. but....

When I was in school I put myself thru doing excavating. The co. truck was a brand new 1989 f250 4x4.

It too ate front brakes. When we had them done, the truck shop we took it to (we NEVER took it to Ford or to some moron at Midas (everything they touch turns to gold, for them)) told us that most Ford trucks of that vintage suffered from "hard spots", i.e. uneven castings in the rotors which made them hard in some spots, soft in others, and impossible to turn. Thus a pulsing sensation was apparent soon after break-in. Also, invariably the brakes would annoyingly squeak, squeak with no brake pedal while driving straight. A light application of the brakes or turning the wheel would make the squeak go away, temporarily.

Somehow I guess they just never did get it right with those things. I suppose that an aftermarket set of rotors not made by the supplier to Ford (if such a thing is available) and a decent set of pads (in my experience semimetallic pads just eat rotors) could do the trick, but who knows? All that weight on the front end sure doesn't help.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth. Anybody else have the same experience?


Marko in Vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

by the way, that truck's efi 351 and c6 ate just as much gas as my carbureted 360. And the transfer case? Boy, let's not even talk about that.....



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>From Dawdee aol.com Fri Mar 28 09:05:27 1997 From: Dawdee aol.com
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

In a message dated 97-03-27 07:21:54 EST, you write:

>
unsubscribe


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>From payne platinum.com Fri Mar 28 10:27:13 1997 From: Ken Payne
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!

>>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
03/27/97 10:58pm
>>>
READERS...
I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000 MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY
ORIGINAL. THE ONLY WORK EVER DONE TO IT IS BRAKES, WATER PUMP, TIRES, BATTERY,
SUSPENSION, BELTS, AND TUNE-UPS. IT HAS NEVER SPENT THE NIGHT IN THE SHOP, OR
LEFT ME STRANDED. IT IS ONLY A 2WD BUT HAS MADE IT THROUGH OBSTACLES 4WHEELERS
DIDN'T. (IT BRINGS BACK THE SAYING... IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE, IT'S HOW YOU
USE IT).
I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW PROUD I AM OF MY FORD. IT IS NOT VERY
PRETTY, BUT HELL... THAY'RE MADE TO BE
DRIVEN, RIGHT???

MARC N.
81 F-100 300ci
96 F-350 7.3 TD


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>From MOBILEDAVE msn.com Fri Mar 28 11:17:38 1997 From: "DAVID MUMMERY" Subject: RE: F350 BRAKES
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I own a 1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4, with a 460 5 speed. The truck has the 4:11 gears with front and rear limited slip axles. It has 22,000 miles and I am just coming up to my first brake job. All I need to replace is the pads. The truck is used for farm work so it sees plenty of off road abuse. I also am hauling loads that exceed the recomended limits. I have not eaten a rotor or do not have any problems. This truck is also used for hunting trips hauling livestock to the airport, and other stuff. It regularly sees speeds of 90 mph.

Good Luck.
1995 F150 Flareside 4x4
1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4
Take care of your truck and it will take care of you.
One last thing I push a 10 foot snow plow with this truck.


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>From wsabers sunflowr.usd.edu Fri Mar 28 11:26:22 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: sunburst.usd.edu: wsabers owned process doing -bs From: William Sabers Subject: Re: your mail
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Please folks, lets follow a little "internet protocol" If you use capitals, reserve it for chewing someone out, or for cussing.
I am far from perfect, but it is as rude as yelling when you answer the phone.

W Sabers
69 Mach I
78 Bronco
>
P.S. My experience with heavier pickups is to have the rotors checked and maybe even ground about every 12-20,000mi if they are being "well-used" or abused. This is especially true if you are doing alot of pulling. I usually make it a part of my maintenence schedule, usually in line with changing transmission fluid.

On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!
>
> >>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
> 03/27/97 10:58pm
> >>>
> READERS...
> I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000
> MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY
> ORIGINAL. THE ONLY WORK EVER DONE TO IT IS
> BRAKES, WATER PUMP, TIRES, BATTERY,
> SUSPENSION, BELTS, AND TUNE-UPS. IT HAS
> NEVER SPENT THE NIGHT IN THE SHOP, OR
> LEFT ME STRANDED. IT IS ONLY A 2WD BUT HAS
> MADE IT THROUGH OBSTACLES 4WHEELERS
> DIDN'T. (IT BRINGS BACK THE SAYING... IT'S
> NOT WHAT YOU HAVE, IT'S HOW YOU
> USE IT).
> I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW
> PROUD I AM OF MY FORD. IT IS NOT VERY
> PRETTY, BUT HELL... THAY'RE MADE TO BE
> DRIVEN, RIGHT???
>
> MARC N.
> 81 F-100 300ci
> 96 F-350 7.3 TD
>
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>From tanya tx3.com Fri Mar 28 12:05:15 1997 From: "Tanya Wagger"
Subject: Re: Saddle Tanks for F100
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Bill, This Charlie Sr.&J.R., we just bought a '64 F-100 shortbed and would be interested in swapping info with you on a long term basis. As to the gas tank issue I have sucessfully used 65 Mustang tank and scrounged a flip license plate off of a T-Bird it works well although you may have to make sheet metal heat shields to go between the tank and tail pipes. Write again, We've got tons of Questions/info. See Ya, Dad&Son

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> Fellow Listers,
>
> In a book I have on 57-67 Ford Trucks, they show an optional saddle
> tank set up. Has anyone come across, seen, heard of, any of these saddle
> tanks. I would like to move my gas tank out from behind the seat to fee
> up some room. If anyone has other suggestions for a gas tank that can
> be made to fit, like between the frame rails, I would appreciate the
> info also. My current exhaust system (custom made) runs inside the frame
> rails all the way to the rear bumper and exits just either side on the
> trailer hitch on the bumper. I can "rearrange" the exit points for the
> exhaust if necessary.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> '64 F100 Shortbox - 302/C4
> '95 Thunderbird - 4.6L
> '90 Harley Dresser - 1340cc
>
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>From tanya tx3.com Fri Mar 28 12:20:46 1997 From: "Tanya Wagger"
Subject: Re: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Eric, I would definitely get rid of those split rims. First of all the only folks who will touch them would be a Semi truck shop,2nd they are somewhat unsafe, rings blowing off etc. Believe it or not, your best bet for low cost steel or alum. wheels is your local Les Schwab tire store. I was suprised at thier selection. We even got a set of one piece wheels for a 12 yr. old 3-wheeler. Good luck! Charlie Sr.&J.R.

----------
> Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford
> trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...
>
> I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292,
> some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.
> He passed away in '80 or '81 and the truck has pretty much sat until
> last year. It was probably driven less than 100 miles and started a
> dozen times in those 14 years. I had to replace a 6" section
> of fuel line and the truck fired right up and purred just like a
> kitten. Just an incredible sound. (Grandpa did put a glass-pack
> muffler on it, or it came that way, who knows...)
>
> Right now I plan on just getting it in good running shape and saving
> the cosmetics for later. I hope to be able to go deer hunting this
> year with grandpa's pickup and his old 30/30. Kind of a tribute
> since I never got to go hunting with him.
>
> Anyway. Thank you to the owner of this list. And I've read the
> archive and many of you sound knowledgeable, so I will ask
> questions...
>
> The first one being:
>
> The truck has 15" 8-hole wheels (3-piece, I think) on it. I'd prefer
> to go to one-piece wheels because I hadn't ever heard of
> multiple-piece wheels until the tire guy pointed them out to me...
> He said 15" 8-holers would probably be hard to find, but 16"
> wouldn't. Is there any real reason besides authenticity to keep the
> wheels that are on it? I'm not that concerned about the truck being
> absolutely original because, frankly, I don't like the color of green
> that grandpa picked out... Any idea if those wheels are worth
> anything and how much?
>
> Erik O'Daniel
> Boise, Idaho
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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>From rick adc.com Fri Mar 28 12:46:16 1997 From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: your mail
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!
>
> >>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
> 03/27/97 10:58pm
> >>>
> READERS...
> I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000
> MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY

[snip]

My '71 just turned over 100k. It takes *many* 1 mile trips to the corn fields to add up.

rick
'66 Mustang garage shelf
'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver (with more carbon build up
than a Kentucky coal mine)
--
Rick Larson rick adc.com Minneapolis


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>From rick adc.com Fri Mar 28 12:56:59 1997 From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Erik,
>
> Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford
> trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...

Welcome to the list!
>
> I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292,
> some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.

[snip]

Wow! What a great find. I got my SO's grandfathers F100 but it is not a '56! Cool. I'm toying with the idea on getting Grandpa's '46 International (sp?) 3/4 ton and replacing the straight 6 with a small block Ford. The '46 has been sitting for 20 years so I'm not thinking it will start by replacing six inches of fuel line :-).
FWIW, I'll leave the 3' side boards on.

rick
'66 Mustang garage shelf
'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver
--
Rick Larson rick adc.com Minneapolis


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>From JohnMcN micom.com Fri Mar 28 12:57:26 1997 From: John Macnamara Subject: 61-79 Truck Parts
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hello Everyone: I'm new to this conversation and you were recommended by my friend in Idaho: Randy Collins. I have just two comments at this time: for those of you who have 61 to 79 trucks. There is a gentleman in Ohio or Indiana by the name of Dan Hermann and he has access to genuine Ford parts. He sent me a list of parts for 67-72 which I have scanned in JPG format and can send to anyone interested. He also has lists for 61-67 which I don't have, and 73-79 which I also don't have, although I bought some parts from him for for my 78 F250 4X4 Supercab.

His phone number is 765 482 7554 and if anyone is interested in talking parts he is very knowledgable.

The 2nd issue I have is I'm in the process of restoring my 78 and have redone all the mechanical stuff and have been acquiring trim pieces such as emblems and race track molding. I need the racetrack molding pieces that go behind the two doors on the cab (4 pieces) and the two that go on the tool box door. If anyone has knowledge where I might find these pieces, I would appreciate it.....

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