Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0032
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Volume 97 Number 0032 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: MARC NIRENBERG
Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
Greetings
Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
Re: unsubscribe
RE: F350 BRAKES
Re: your mail
Re: Saddle Tanks for F100
Re: Greetings
Re: your mail
Re: Greetings
61-79 Truck Parts
Bad Brakes, or Bad Habits?
Radiator upgrade for 55
Re: [angus wwi.net: Great page!]
Re: 61-79 Truck Parts
Just a few questions
Re: Just a few questions
95's
knock in your ch#vy
Re: Just a few questions
Re: Just a few questions
Check out the ads
TSB's-More
Radiator upgrade for 55
incorrect e-mail
tshirt offer
Read the FAQ and charter if you haven't
8.8 ring gear backlash


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>From chrisn liffey.infohwy.com Fri Mar 28 00:47:25 1997 From: Chris North
Subject: Re: MARC NIRENBERG
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I know you are proud of your truck, but please leave the caps lock off. It makes my eyes bleed.

chris north




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>From chrisn liffey.infohwy.com Fri Mar 28 01:13:12 1997 From: Chris North
Subject: Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>>I am the owner of a 1992 Ford F350 4x4 truck. It's a 1 ton, crewcab truck
>>with
>>>a 460 engine. It's used within a construction company so it regularly
>carries
>>>heavy loads. The truck has the standard front end disc brakes system.
>Within
>>>65,000 miles I have had to COMPLETELY replace the front brakes 5 times or
>>appx.
>>
>>-snip-
>>
>>These are going to seem like stupid questions but I must ask them. Who is
>>driving the truck and what are the habits of that driver? How much is a
>>"heavy load?" Years ago I worked for a landscaping company during high
>>school summer break and it was amazing how many maintenance problems that
>>the old F250 had. Little did the boss know that we took it off road fully
>>loaded, drove it at 90mph, smoked the tires and just generally abused the
>>hell out of it. Perhaps this is what's going on now? I've never heard of
>>brake failure like that without some underlying cause. The bigger F series
>>are known for eating brake pads but not bearings and discs. Additionally,
>>maybe bigger cross drilled discs would move the heat away better. Have you
>>tried a different pad material?
>
>You all are getting me rather worried with this talk of brake trouble on
>the F-350's.
>I have a 97 F350 4x4 Crew Cab PowerStroke on order because my 97 Dodge
>2500HD Cummins has
>horrible brake pulls, and eats pads like a teenage football player on a
>Friday night at McDonalds. I see tons of F350's pulling trailers and
>loads around here, and all the
>contractors use these and work them hard. All I have ever heard was how
>strudy these trucks
>were, and that the brakes were more than adequate for the GVW ratings.
>
>Was this a problem Ford worked out in later year models (like 95, 96 or
>97), or are frequent
>pad changes and warped rotors the norm? If that's the case, I definitely
>need to reconsider
>as I'm not playing braking games again.
>
>All advice and candor is appreciated!

A friend of mine works for a motorhome rental company in the service dept.
He frequently complains about the rotors needing replacement after 10,000 miles, or less. I have also heard about similar problems with the Rams. I think the brake design engineering has gotten to the point where they are designing to computer models that do not reflect typical usage. This permits a lighter design, which benifits CAFE. In addition, the rotors are typically considered wear items which are not covered by warranty.
Translation: The manufacturer can save money and improve CAFE by using a lighter brake system and not have to worry about warranty costs. And no, aftermarket parts are not the solution as a aftermarket replacement which would last longer and provide the same or better performance would prove the original design deficient, and the designers would not allow that.

My 78 E250 still has its original rotors. It has over 150,000 miles and has been driven by just about every member of a very large extended family.
I know some of the drivers " drove it at 90mph, smoked the tires and just generally abused the hell out of it", well maybe not smoked the tires, but definately abused the hell out of it, fully loaded.

If you can't tell, I am just a little pissed at this "let's screw the owner" attitude the auto makers have taken towards the brake systems. I definately feel better now, though.

chris north




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>From eodani varney.idbsu.edu Fri Mar 28 02:03:11 1997 From: "Erik J. O'Daniel" Subject: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...

I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292, some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.
He passed away in '80 or '81 and the truck has pretty much sat until last year. It was probably driven less than 100 miles and started a dozen times in those 14 years. I had to replace a 6" section of fuel line and the truck fired right up and purred just like a kitten. Just an incredible sound. (Grandpa did put a glass-pack muffler on it, or it came that way, who knows...)

Right now I plan on just getting it in good running shape and saving the cosmetics for later. I hope to be able to go deer hunting this year with grandpa's pickup and his old 30/30. Kind of a tribute since I never got to go hunting with him.

Anyway. Thank you to the owner of this list. And I've read the archive and many of you sound knowledgeable, so I will ask questions...

The first one being:

The truck has 15" 8-hole wheels (3-piece, I think) on it. I'd prefer to go to one-piece wheels because I hadn't ever heard of multiple-piece wheels until the tire guy pointed them out to me...
He said 15" 8-holers would probably be hard to find, but 16" wouldn't. Is there any real reason besides authenticity to keep the wheels that are on it? I'm not that concerned about the truck being absolutely original because, frankly, I don't like the color of green that grandpa picked out... Any idea if those wheels are worth anything and how much?

Erik O'Daniel
Boise, Idaho


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>From marko helix.net Fri Mar 28 03:41:05 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On the topic of brakes....

I have a 71 f250 4x4 with drums all round. but....

When I was in school I put myself thru doing excavating. The co. truck was a brand new 1989 f250 4x4.

It too ate front brakes. When we had them done, the truck shop we took it to (we NEVER took it to Ford or to some moron at Midas (everything they touch turns to gold, for them)) told us that most Ford trucks of that vintage suffered from "hard spots", i.e. uneven castings in the rotors which made them hard in some spots, soft in others, and impossible to turn. Thus a pulsing sensation was apparent soon after break-in. Also, invariably the brakes would annoyingly squeak, squeak with no brake pedal while driving straight. A light application of the brakes or turning the wheel would make the squeak go away, temporarily.

Somehow I guess they just never did get it right with those things. I suppose that an aftermarket set of rotors not made by the supplier to Ford (if such a thing is available) and a decent set of pads (in my experience semimetallic pads just eat rotors) could do the trick, but who knows? All that weight on the front end sure doesn't help.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth. Anybody else have the same experience?


Marko in Vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

by the way, that truck's efi 351 and c6 ate just as much gas as my carbureted 360. And the transfer case? Boy, let's not even talk about that.....



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>From Dawdee aol.com Fri Mar 28 09:05:27 1997 From: Dawdee aol.com
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

In a message dated 97-03-27 07:21:54 EST, you write:

>
unsubscribe


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>From payne platinum.com Fri Mar 28 10:27:13 1997 From: Ken Payne
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!

>>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
03/27/97 10:58pm
>>>
READERS...
I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000 MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY
ORIGINAL. THE ONLY WORK EVER DONE TO IT IS BRAKES, WATER PUMP, TIRES, BATTERY,
SUSPENSION, BELTS, AND TUNE-UPS. IT HAS NEVER SPENT THE NIGHT IN THE SHOP, OR
LEFT ME STRANDED. IT IS ONLY A 2WD BUT HAS MADE IT THROUGH OBSTACLES 4WHEELERS
DIDN'T. (IT BRINGS BACK THE SAYING... IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE, IT'S HOW YOU
USE IT).
I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW PROUD I AM OF MY FORD. IT IS NOT VERY
PRETTY, BUT HELL... THAY'RE MADE TO BE
DRIVEN, RIGHT???

MARC N.
81 F-100 300ci
96 F-350 7.3 TD


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>From MOBILEDAVE msn.com Fri Mar 28 11:17:38 1997 From: "DAVID MUMMERY" Subject: RE: F350 BRAKES
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I own a 1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4, with a 460 5 speed. The truck has the 4:11 gears with front and rear limited slip axles. It has 22,000 miles and I am just coming up to my first brake job. All I need to replace is the pads. The truck is used for farm work so it sees plenty of off road abuse. I also am hauling loads that exceed the recomended limits. I have not eaten a rotor or do not have any problems. This truck is also used for hunting trips hauling livestock to the airport, and other stuff. It regularly sees speeds of 90 mph.

Good Luck.
1995 F150 Flareside 4x4
1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4
Take care of your truck and it will take care of you.
One last thing I push a 10 foot snow plow with this truck.


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>From wsabers sunflowr.usd.edu Fri Mar 28 11:26:22 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: sunburst.usd.edu: wsabers owned process doing -bs From: William Sabers Subject: Re: your mail
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Please folks, lets follow a little "internet protocol" If you use capitals, reserve it for chewing someone out, or for cussing.
I am far from perfect, but it is as rude as yelling when you answer the phone.

W Sabers
69 Mach I
78 Bronco

P.S. My experience with heavier pickups is to have the rotors checked and maybe even ground about every 12-20,000mi if they are being "well-used" or abused. This is especially true if you are doing alot of pulling. I usually make it a part of my maintenence schedule, usually in line with changing transmission fluid.

On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!
>
> >>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
> 03/27/97 10:58pm
> >>>
> READERS...
> I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000
> MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY
> ORIGINAL. THE ONLY WORK EVER DONE TO IT IS
> BRAKES, WATER PUMP, TIRES, BATTERY,
> SUSPENSION, BELTS, AND TUNE-UPS. IT HAS
> NEVER SPENT THE NIGHT IN THE SHOP, OR
> LEFT ME STRANDED. IT IS ONLY A 2WD BUT HAS
> MADE IT THROUGH OBSTACLES 4WHEELERS
> DIDN'T. (IT BRINGS BACK THE SAYING... IT'S
> NOT WHAT YOU HAVE, IT'S HOW YOU
> USE IT).
> I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW
> PROUD I AM OF MY FORD. IT IS NOT VERY
> PRETTY, BUT HELL... THAY'RE MADE TO BE
> DRIVEN, RIGHT???
>
> MARC N.
> 81 F-100 300ci
> 96 F-350 7.3 TD
>
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>From tanya tx3.com Fri Mar 28 12:05:15 1997 From: "Tanya Wagger"
Subject: Re: Saddle Tanks for F100
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Bill, This Charlie Sr.&J.R., we just bought a '64 F-100 shortbed and would be interested in swapping info with you on a long term basis. As to the gas tank issue I have sucessfully used 65 Mustang tank and scrounged a flip license plate off of a T-Bird it works well although you may have to make sheet metal heat shields to go between the tank and tail pipes. Write again, We've got tons of Questions/info. See Ya, Dad&Son

----------
> Fellow Listers,
>
> In a book I have on 57-67 Ford Trucks, they show an optional saddle
> tank set up. Has anyone come across, seen, heard of, any of these saddle
> tanks. I would like to move my gas tank out from behind the seat to fee
> up some room. If anyone has other suggestions for a gas tank that can
> be made to fit, like between the frame rails, I would appreciate the
> info also. My current exhaust system (custom made) runs inside the frame
> rails all the way to the rear bumper and exits just either side on the
> trailer hitch on the bumper. I can "rearrange" the exit points for the
> exhaust if necessary.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> '64 F100 Shortbox - 302/C4
> '95 Thunderbird - 4.6L
> '90 Harley Dresser - 1340cc
>
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>From tanya tx3.com Fri Mar 28 12:20:46 1997 From: "Tanya Wagger"
Subject: Re: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Eric, I would definitely get rid of those split rims. First of all the only folks who will touch them would be a Semi truck shop,2nd they are somewhat unsafe, rings blowing off etc. Believe it or not, your best bet for low cost steel or alum. wheels is your local Les Schwab tire store. I was suprised at thier selection. We even got a set of one piece wheels for a 12 yr. old 3-wheeler. Good luck! Charlie Sr.&J.R.

----------
> Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford
> trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...
>
> I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292,
> some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.
> He passed away in '80 or '81 and the truck has pretty much sat until
> last year. It was probably driven less than 100 miles and started a
> dozen times in those 14 years. I had to replace a 6" section
> of fuel line and the truck fired right up and purred just like a
> kitten. Just an incredible sound. (Grandpa did put a glass-pack
> muffler on it, or it came that way, who knows...)
>
> Right now I plan on just getting it in good running shape and saving
> the cosmetics for later. I hope to be able to go deer hunting this
> year with grandpa's pickup and his old 30/30. Kind of a tribute
> since I never got to go hunting with him.
>
> Anyway. Thank you to the owner of this list. And I've read the
> archive and many of you sound knowledgeable, so I will ask
> questions...
>
> The first one being:
>
> The truck has 15" 8-hole wheels (3-piece, I think) on it. I'd prefer
> to go to one-piece wheels because I hadn't ever heard of
> multiple-piece wheels until the tire guy pointed them out to me...
> He said 15" 8-holers would probably be hard to find, but 16"
> wouldn't. Is there any real reason besides authenticity to keep the
> wheels that are on it? I'm not that concerned about the truck being
> absolutely original because, frankly, I don't like the color of green
> that grandpa picked out... Any idea if those wheels are worth
> anything and how much?
>
> Erik O'Daniel
> Boise, Idaho
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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>From rick adc.com Fri Mar 28 12:46:16 1997 From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: your mail
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> Amem! My 67 is approaching 300,000 miles!
>
> >>> "MARC NIRENBERG"
> 03/27/97 10:58pm
> >>>
> READERS...
> I HAVE A 1981 F-100 WITH WELL OVER 240,000
> MILES. THE ENGINE IS COMPLETELY

[snip]

My '71 just turned over 100k. It takes *many* 1 mile trips to the corn fields to add up.

rick
'66 Mustang garage shelf
'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver (with more carbon build up
than a Kentucky coal mine)
--
Rick Larson rick adc.com Minneapolis


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>From rick adc.com Fri Mar 28 12:56:59 1997 From: rick adc.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Greetings
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Erik,
>
> Finally glad to find a group on the Internet talking about Ford
> trucks. All I found in the newsgroups was usually Mustang owners...

Welcome to the list!
>
> I'm lucky enough to have my grandfather's '56 F-100 Express (292,
> some sort of granny-low 4-speed) and plan on eventually restoring it.

[snip]

Wow! What a great find. I got my SO's grandfathers F100 but it is not a '56! Cool. I'm toying with the idea on getting Grandpa's '46 International (sp?) 3/4 ton and replacing the straight 6 with a small block Ford. The '46 has been sitting for 20 years so I'm not thinking it will start by replacing six inches of fuel line :-).
FWIW, I'll leave the 3' side boards on.

rick
'66 Mustang garage shelf
'71 F100 *Custom* daily driver
--
Rick Larson rick adc.com Minneapolis


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>From JohnMcN micom.com Fri Mar 28 12:57:26 1997 From: John Macnamara Subject: 61-79 Truck Parts
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hello Everyone: I'm new to this conversation and you were recommended by my friend in Idaho: Randy Collins. I have just two comments at this time: for those of you who have 61 to 79 trucks. There is a gentleman in Ohio or Indiana by the name of Dan Hermann and he has access to genuine Ford parts. He sent me a list of parts for 67-72 which I have scanned in JPG format and can send to anyone interested. He also has lists for 61-67 which I don't have, and 73-79 which I also don't have, although I bought some parts from him for for my 78 F250 4X4 Supercab.

His phone number is 765 482 7554 and if anyone is interested in talking parts he is very knowledgable.

The 2nd issue I have is I'm in the process of restoring my 78 and have redone all the mechanical stuff and have been acquiring trim pieces such as emblems and race track molding. I need the racetrack molding pieces that go behind the two doors on the cab (4 pieces) and the two that go on the tool box door. If anyone has knowledge where I might find these pieces, I would appreciate it.

Thanks and if anyone needs information on the 78 79 models, I'm here.

Thanks again

John MacNamara


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>From PonyTom aol.com Fri Mar 28 13:09:32 1997 From: PonyTom aol.com
Subject: Bad Brakes, or Bad Habits?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi Fordtrucker's,

Just had to put my $.02 into the fire about Brakes. I still have the original rotors, and pads on my E-350 Mini motorhome with 48K. Yes a lot of my driving is hi-way, but this is a '78 that we got when it was less than 2 yrs old, and has been put through it's paces many times.

Now for the flame

YOU GO DOWN THE HILL IN THE SAME GEAR YOU GO UP THE HILL

That's why they stop you half way down Pike's Peak...to see if you used your gears, or your brakes. If you used your brakes, they tell you to pull off the road, and the coffee is free. All they do, is hold their hand aove the top of your tire, and if they get a quick desire to pull their hand back...you failed.

Tom Maguire '59 Ranchero


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>From thegman cfw.com Fri Mar 28 19:38:01 1997 From: Paul
Subject: Radiator upgrade for 55
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I am installing a 78 351W/C6 combo in a 55 panel. The van radiator is wrong size for this. I have seen a Chrysler radiator in a 56 pickup which bolted right onto the stock support.

Does anyone know, or know where I can cross-ref which modern radiators (with auto trans hookups) will bolt easily in? I don't have access to welding equipment.

Thanks, Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va.


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>From silent.bob juno.com Fri Mar 28 20:31:52 1997 From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: [angus wwi.net: Great page!] To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>My name is Angus and I am a fordnatic. I am currently looking for web
>resources for 73-79 Ford Pickups. Any suggestions?
>In the past I had a '79 Heritage Thunderbird in Midnight Canyon Red,
>and
>am truly sad to hear they are to be extinct. I presently own a '70
>F-100
>Ranger XLT, '73 F-150 Ranger XLT, '77 F-150 Custom 4x4, and '88
>Ranger.
>Long Live Ford!

Hey Angus, there is a forum just like this one for Ford Truck owners, i suggest subscribing to as well. The information is below this letter.
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Mar 28 21:27:26 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: 61-79 Truck Parts
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

If you can get a company name (if any) and address I'll post it on the web page's list of suppliers (mostly antique suppliers).
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks/supply.htm

>Hello Everyone: I'm new to this conversation and you were recommended
>by my friend in Idaho: Randy Collins. I have just two comments at this
>time: for those of you who have 61 to 79 trucks. There is a gentleman
>in Ohio or Indiana by the name of Dan Hermann and he has access to
>genuine Ford parts. He sent me a list of parts for 67-72 which I have
>scanned in JPG format and can send to anyone interested. He also has
>lists for 61-67 which I don't have, and 73-79 which I also don't have,
>although I bought some parts from him for for my 78 F250 4X4 Supercab.
>
>His phone number is 765 482 7554 and if anyone is interested in talking
>parts he is very knowledgable.
>
>The 2nd issue I have is I'm in the process of restoring my 78 and have
>redone all the mechanical stuff and have been acquiring trim pieces such
>as emblems and race track molding. I need the racetrack molding pieces
>that go behind the two doors on the cab (4 pieces) and the two that go
>on the tool box door. If anyone has knowledge where I might find these
>pieces, I would appreciate it.
>
>Thanks and if anyone needs information on the 78 79 models, I'm here.
>
>Thanks again
>
>John MacNamara
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>
>

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
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>From dscreen ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 28 21:34:07 1997 From: "Donald R. Screen" Subject: Just a few questions
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> >am truly sad to hear they are to be extinct. I presently own a '70
> >F-100
> >Ranger XLT, '73 F-150 Ranger XLT, '77 F-150 Custom 4x4, and '88
> >Ranger.


I own a 1974 Ford F100 XLT Ranger....did they even make an 73 F150? (see above).

Thanks to the person out there who recommended the HELP brand flex steering coupling. I NEVER would have thought to look for that particular part in the HELP section. I found two different sizes today at Chief Auto Parts. $6.99 Not bad...

Gotta replace the oil seal on the power steering gear box at the flex coupling end of the gear (not the sector shaft end). Can this be done with the gear still bolted to the truck...ie just pull the snap ring and use a screwdriver or something else to pull out the old seal? ATF fluid just pours outa that seal now.

I also am working on a Ch*vy 1980...350 small block...If I'm not too out of line here I need some help resolving a problem with the 350.

It has spark knock/pre-ignition after about 10 minutes of driving at 65mph. I found a bad EGR valve and replaced it. No help. I retarded the timing from the recommended 8 degrees BTDC to 5 degrees BTDC. Still no help. Any other ideas on how to get rid of the preignition problem other than driving my poor old Ch*vy off a cliff...What about top engine cleaners...maybe too much carbon in the cylinders?
Spark knock is the worst at part throttle operation..I am assuming total advance is maximized at part throttle with the vacuum advance running off of ported vacuum. Running 93 Octane.....no help either.
Thought this question might be of interest to Ford owners with similar problems.

My 74 F100 has a 360 FE V8 with a 4300 4 barrel Motorcraft carburetor.
Anybody on this list got the same year and model? (C6 transmission)

Don
Allen, Texas



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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Mar 28 22:05:54 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Just a few questions
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

-snip-
>
>I own a 1974 Ford F100 XLT Ranger....did they even make an 73 F150? (see
>above).
>
>Thanks to the person out there who recommended the HELP brand flex
>steering coupling. I NEVER would have thought to look for that
>particular part in the HELP section. I found two different sizes today
>at Chief Auto Parts. $6.99 Not bad...
>

You'll be amazed with what you can find there. Example: brake pedal rubber for a 67-72 F100 runs about $10 bucks from antique suppliers.
I found one in the HELP section at an old independent auto parts store in a box for very old HELP stuff - $2. Also found window cranks, rubber grommets and lots of other stuff. Sometimes the best places for this stuff is an old store.

>Gotta replace the oil seal on the power steering gear box at the flex
>coupling end of the gear (not the sector shaft end). Can this be done
>with the gear still bolted to the truck...ie just pull the snap ring and
>use a screwdriver or something else to pull out the old seal? ATF fluid
>just pours outa that seal now.
>
>I also am working on a Ch*vy 1980...350 small block...If I'm not too out

We all have our faults!

>of line here I need some help resolving a problem with the 350.
>
>It has spark knock/pre-ignition after about 10 minutes of driving at
>65mph. I found a bad EGR valve and replaced it. No help. I retarded
>the timing from the recommended 8 degrees BTDC to 5 degrees BTDC. Still
>no help. Any other ideas on how to get rid of the preignition problem
>other than driving my poor old Ch*vy off a cliff...What about top engine
>cleaners...maybe too much carbon in the cylinders?
>Spark knock is the worst at part throttle operation..I am assuming total
>advance is maximized at part throttle with the vacuum advance running
>off of ported vacuum. Running 93 Octane.....no help either.
>Thought this question might be of interest to Ford owners with similar
>problems.

Have you tried looking at the timing with the engine running fast in drive? (please floor the parking brake and block the tires for this test plus have someone behind the wheel) Maybe the timing is advancing too much? Also, it the temp of the engine ok? Might want to check the thermostat, could be running too hot. Another item, check out the mixture - too lean will cause the engine to run hot. Might want to try some Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas and see if it cleans the top end.



-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
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>From yhtlines surfari.net Fri Mar 28 22:11:28 1997 From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: 95's
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

DAVID MUMMERY wrote:
> I have a 1995 F150 4x4 flareside, It has 48,000 miles, all of put on by me.
> About 15,000 miles are off road. My problem is a terrible rattling noise
> eveytime I hit a bump. I have taken the truck to my dealer, they can not find
> the problem. I have gone over the entire front suspesion and did not come up
> with anything. Does anybody have any thoughts.

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>From PonyTom aol.com Sat Mar 29 06:58:46 1997 From: PonyTom aol.com
Subject: knock in your ch#vy
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Don,
Take a length of vacuum hose, and put it on the advance mechanisim, and with the dist cap off you can watch the action while inhaling thru the hose.
Bet you have a ruptured diaphram on your distributer advance.
Sorry about the bad luck in aquiring a ch#vy.

Tom Maguire '59 Ranchero
'78 E-350


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>From dscreen ix.netcom.com Sat Mar 29 07:24:41 1997 From: "Donald R. Screen" Subject: Re: Just a few questions
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> Have you tried looking at the timing with the engine running fast in
> drive? (please floor the parking brake and block the tires for this
> test plus have someone behind the wheel) Maybe the timing is advancing
> too much? Also, it the temp of the engine ok? Might want to check the
> thermostat, could be running too hot. Another item, check out the mixture
> - too lean will cause the engine to run hot. Might want to try some
> Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas and see if it cleans the top end.

Ken,

I do suspect that the total timing is too far advanced with the engine running fast....Now if this is the case..How do I reduce the total advance at highway speeds without backing off the idle timing?
Is there a way to reduce the amount of vacuum advance at highway speeds and leave the idle timing alone. I understand that total advance is the combination of mechanical and vacuum advance plus the base timing. Is it possible the springs on the mechanical advance are too worn or do I just need to somehow restrict the amount of ported vacuum to the vacuum advance? Hot Rod magazine suggested that reducing the vacuum advance was feasible in their last issue but they didn't bother to mention how to do it. I am familiar with RTD valves and SDV valves, but these would not restrict the overall vacuum after their delay took effect.

What should the total advance be for my 360 FE V8? Base timing is about 6 degrees BTDC plus how much mech advance and how much vacuum advance?
I've seen ball park figures around 30-40 degrees total timing. Is this info available in Chilton's?

My engine coolant temp indicates normal. Thermostat was recently changed and system flushed. New radiator installed. No indication of excess heat.

I do have some Marvel Mystery Oil in the garage. Will give it a try.
I've seen pictures of top engine cleaners just being poured into the top of the carburetor....this seems kinda funny to me...trying to get a good spray pattern from your carb while pouring in a can of anything doesn't seem to me like it would work too good. Putting the cleaner in the gas tank makes more sense. Any comments on this?

Don
Allen, Texas
1974 F100 XLT Ranger 360 FE V8 4300 carb 1980 Ch*vy Scotsdale 3/4 ton C20
1985 Toyota Supra
1993 Oldmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible

*Still prefer old trucks to anything else out there.



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>From kpayne mindspring.com Sat Mar 29 10:46:31 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Just a few questions
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

-snip-
>> Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas and see if it cleans the top end.
>
>Ken,
>
> I do suspect that the total timing is too far advanced with the
>engine running fast....Now if this is the case..How do I reduce the
>total advance at highway speeds without backing off the idle timing?

Couldn't tell you. Its been years since I seen the guts of a Ch*vy distributor.

>
>What should the total advance be for my 360 FE V8? Base timing is about
>6 degrees BTDC plus how much mech advance and how much vacuum advance?
>I've seen ball park figures around 30-40 degrees total timing. Is this
>info available in Chilton's?

Base timing: 1967-1968: 8
1969-1972: 6
1973 Auto: 3 (probably don't want to use this one)
1973 Man : 6

All Chilton says (not the 65-86 manual either, but the BIG 1500 page 71-78 domestic truck book) is 9-14 degrees advance over base for mechanical 2000rpm. Here's all it says about vacuum advance (aint much):

Unplug vacuum line(s) and connect to distrutor diaphragm. Momemtarily accelerate engine to 2000 rpm and note timing advance. If it is not considerably more than the mechanical advance alone, the diaphragm must be replaced.

These "complete" explanations of theirs tells you why I'm looking for a Ford shop manual!


>My engine coolant temp indicates normal. Thermostat was recently
>changed and system flushed. New radiator installed. No indication of
>excess heat.
>
>I do have some Marvel Mystery Oil in the garage. Will give it a try.
>I've seen pictures of top engine cleaners just being poured into the top
>of the carburetor....this seems kinda funny to me...trying to get a good
>spray pattern from your carb while pouring in a can of anything doesn't
>seem to me like it would work too good. Putting the cleaner in the gas
>tank makes more sense. Any comments on this?
>

I'd never pour it in the carb. A bunch in the gas tank will do. Note that if you use alot it might smoke slightly. I've used Marvel Mystery oil for just about everything: in the crank case 5 minutes before changing the oil. As a fuel/top end treatment. It does wonders to unstick gummed up lifters. I once let it sit in a 1978 Y*m*h* XS650 motorcycle engine for a week to free it up (it had been out in the weather for 10 years without starting). At least its not Sl*ck 50 snake oil (but that a whole 'nother can of worms).

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Sat Mar 29 10:57:41 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Check out the ads
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The ad page has a bunch of new placements on it. Check it out, you may find something you need. You may have to hit the reload button in your browser to see it. Also, hit the reload button on the main page and let me know what you think of the changes. BTW, the ad link is near the flashing spark plug on the main page.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks

For those of you who don't know, personal ads are free and there is a handy web site form to place them. Ads are updated on the web site every evening. Once we get a bunch of ads I'll index them. Also, let me know if your ad needs to be removed.

Later,

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From rsmall isgroup.net Sat Mar 29 11:45:18 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) Subject: TSB's-More
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I also use the "digest format" so my "epistles" may be out of time with the list.

I did not mean to describe TSB's as recall bulletins. My intention was to advertise the fact that they should be made "easily" available to vehicle owners. I thoroughly agree with the info being valuable to take with you to the dealer. First trip on my "musty" A/C, after squirting with deodorizer, shop Mgr. told me solution to my problem was to NOT USE my A/C in Florida, we have a humidity issue here...DUH.

I can see from other list subscribers that they also have problems getting the text (info) from Ford's TSB's. I think there should be a way to get the information from a website, FTP site , or BBS. A reasonable charge would be acceptable to help support the site.

The goverment maintains an information site for a hugh database of all kinds of info for about $75k annually. it's called Fedworld.

The link for auto info is-

ftp://ftp.fedworld.gov/pub/auto/auto.htm

This is a "list" of TSB's, recalls, service manual listing, etc (All auto and truck manufacturers). They are required to update their files every 2nd Monday concerning emission controls and maintenance. Ford appears to update all their Bulletins at the same time. Read "The Act.TXT if your repair, adjust, or program emmision controls (this includes things that affect the driveability of a vehicle, like PCM's).

Ford's listing is basically a huge ZIP file of about 2500-3000 files without an index and any apparent file names that mean anything concerning their content (I.E> FD002200.txt). Inside the files contain a "brief" description of their content and "long" description on how to order them from Helm. It is very time consuming to open each one to find out if it is for 1989 or a Pinto or a manual or a recall or a TSB (TSB's have no description only an issue date), so you get my point.

Helm charges $6 for a TSB. I found about 20 for 1995 F-series trucks alone. So you get to spring for about $120 not knowing if any actually apply to yours.

Before my next new purchase, I'll check this list and make the dealer let me read every one that is out at that time. If they refuse, no sale.

If anyone, including Ford employees know of a solution for this, please post.

Robert
1995 F-250 PowerStroke
1978 E-150 Econoline, one owner, Hey, I may never buy another new truck anyway.


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>From gibwalsh idirect.com Sat Mar 29 11:45:57 1997 From: Paul (by way of Cortney Walsh ) Subject: Radiator upgrade for 55
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I am installing a 78 351W/C6 combo in a 55 panel. The van radiator is wrong size for this. I have seen a Chrysler radiator in a 56 pickup which bolted right onto the stock support.

Does anyone know, or know where I can cross-ref which modern radiators (with auto trans hookups) will bolt easily in? I don't have access to welding equipment.

Thanks, Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va.


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>From gibwalsh idirect.com Sat Mar 29 11:55:46 1997 From: Cortney Walsh Subject: incorrect e-mail
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

For some reason, we began yesterday receiving e-mail from Ford users with various problems with the vehicles. Yesterday, we received about 30 messages. Why???
We don't want to receive these messages, so please delete our address from the mailing list immediately!!!



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>From mcyoung mcyoung.sdi.agate.net Sat Mar 29 12:52:37 1997 From: Mac Young
Subject: tshirt offer
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

My partner and I have recently started a new business. It is a direct mail business offering unique designs printed on clothing. Our first design is a 56 Ford Truck (red) on a yellow circular background with the wording "Ford Trucks" "Since 1925" top and bottom of the design. This is printed on a white tshirt.
If anyone is interested in this one-of-a-kind design, please e-mail me with your mailing address and we will send you a letter with the offer specifics.
By the way the "Since 1925" commemorates the first production Ford Pickup.

Some background on myself. I am an avid Ford Truck nut and currently have 2 projects in the works. A 71 Ford Bronco frame up and a 52 F1 frame up.

Thanks
Mac Young
mcyoung mcyoung.sdi.agate.net




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>From kpayne mindspring.com Sat Mar 29 13:29:50 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Read the FAQ and charter if you haven't To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

If you haven't already read our FAQ and charter on the web site, please do so. 90% of the time in which I spend doing admin cores would be avoided if everyone would read them.

Our web site specifically asks that you read the charter and recommends the FAQ.

Thanks,

List "Mom"


-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
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