Return-Path:
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:09:31 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
From: digest-proc lofcom.com
Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0031
Reply-To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Volume 97 Number 0031 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

TSB's - Reply
RE: Anyone have wheels for sale? -Reply
F350's Dana 60
Powerstroke ramblings...
1966 Ford F-100 - Adding Power Steering
Re: I hate thieves
Re: Smelly air
Re: Anyone have wheels for sale?
Re:SEAT BELTS: was Smelly air
Re: Re: Smelly air
Questions for Randy Zelinger
Questions for Randy Zelinger
Questions for Randy Zelinger
Re: I hate thieves
98 & 99 body styles
subject: Re: 98 model body styles
Re:'53 Ford F-250
Re: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0030
Re:'53 Ford F-250
RE: My old '63
My old '63
RE: Smelly air
Strange sounds
Re: Strange sounds
unsubscribe
Re: Smelly air - Reply
(Fwd) Re:SEAT BELTS (fwd)
(Fwd) Re:SEAT BELTS
Re:SEAT BELTS
Saddle Tanks for F100
Re: Anyone have wheels for sale? -Reply
Will someone please pull TSB on driveline noise '96 F-350
Re: Strange sounds
Re: Strange sounds
Shocks
> RE: Saddle Tanks for F100
Re: Strange sounds
Best shocks for a F-150
Concerns with F350 Brakes
> Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
> Re: Concerns with F350 Brakes
>

* PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE DIGEST IN REPLIES TO THE LIST! *

--------------------------------------------------

>From PACEG1 WPGATE.UOFS.EDU Wed Mar 26 08:03:29 1997 From: Glen Pace Subject: TSB's - Reply
X-VMS-To: IN%"FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com"
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>From what I understand TSB's are not trouble recalls but they are
documents that help the shop guys fix the little things that may be wrong from the factory right the first time and that all vehicles are not affected in fact in some cases the numbers are small. If you have a noise or other trouble that you don't think is right search the TSB's and you will have some insite when the dealer tells you there is nothing wrong.
Glen

96 F-350 4x4
77 F-250 4x4



------------------------------
>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 26 10:00:09 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: Anyone have wheels for sale? -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Thanks, I'll file this information away for future reference. Have fun with the brakes (or at least have more confidence)!

>>> 03/25/97 08:34pm >>> Hey Ken

Thought I`d let you know I just scored a 9in disc brake rear end to
put under the 56. Now i`ll have the whao to match the go. Your advice on
disc brake swap was partly right. 65 to 72 would work fine but 56 to64
f100s used a drag link instead of cross steer. No place to hook up the
drag link on disc brake spindles. The only way I have found is to buy a
kit for the early spindles. This is next on my list. Maybe then I`ll feel
better about serious gun runs with the 427.

Garry



------------------------------
>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Wed Mar 26 10:37:42 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: F350's Dana 60

To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Just a quick and simple question -- is the Dana 60 on the current F-350=20
>4x4's a full-floater or not. Am arguing with a Dodge fan over the=20
>nuances of the two, and I know the Dodge version is a semi-floater.

I believe so, but I will double-check this evening. I have the factory service manuals. I do know we have 35-spline, 1.5" axle shafts. I can tell you that a confirmed Ramophile on the cummins list did acknowledge that the Ford's front setup was superior.

>of the ring gear versus on the coast side (pull) on the Dodge? The=20
>reverse-cut front axle is inherently stronger under load, right? I was=20
>thinking this was all wrong until I realized that on a front axle it's=20
>opposite from a reverse cut rear axle.

The F350 does use a reverse-rotation 60, but not because of strength- it's a way to reduce pinion angle to acceptable levels on a truck that rides high. Of course, the Dana 60 is plenty strong as a rear-end, much less a front-end, so the reverse-rotation setup is more than adequate.

Regards,
Jon and the Big Red One
in Houston


------------------------------
>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Wed Mar 26 11:05:07 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Powerstroke ramblings...

To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hey Robert and the rest of your Ford Truckers,

I use the digest so some of my replies may be out of phase...I think you covered things pretty well, except that everyone's Powerstroke (T444E) provides better mileage than mine! From a longevity perspective, aside from changing your oil frequently (200 hours or 3k miles) the next most important thing to recommend to new owners is to idle down for a few minutes before shutting off. This will avoid coking (and cooking) your oil inside the turbo, which helps the turbine's bearings live longer, and keeps your lube oil in better shape.

The best thing is to install an exhaust pyrometer or two in the manifold(s), the second best is in the down-pipe after the turbo. I have not done this yet, but the people that have them know when to shut off without guessing.
Supposedly when the exhaust drops to 300 degrees it's safe to shut down.
I'm hoping to have mine installed in the next few months.

Although diesels tolerate extended idling much better than gasoline engines, in cool temperatures the engine is much happier if you can keep the rpms up around 1300 (thus the aux PCM) which cuts down on the buildup of contaminent material in the crankcase. If you can't get an aux PCM, and have to idle, or like me, choose to idle, then consider shorter oil change intervals, and use a top-quality filter such as Fleetguard or the OEM International filter (which looks like it's probably made by Fleetguard). Use a top-quality oil such as Rotella-T or Delo 400 in the correct grade for your climate. Fill up at truck stops to insure fuel freshness, and consider changing fuel filters at 6K or every two oil changes instead of the Ford's 15k recommendation. On the cummins list there is an International mechanic who changes out the fuel filter with every oil change.

One of the International engineers I spoke with said that the 7.3 was very sooty, and he was concerned that with any type of prolonged idling, it is likely that a dangerous amount of carbon will build up in the oil and possibly cause the crankshaft bearings to fail prematurely, and just generally cause bottom-end problems. He said that eventually the lube- oil filter will clog and the bypass will open thus the engine will be running with unfiltered oil.

He said the T444E is much better, but still should not be idled for prolonged periods without elevated RPMs. For the International version, an aux PCM is available very inexpensively, but it does not work in Fords because of Ford's changes. And the Ford part is *very* expensive.

Personally, I am very unhappy that Ford and International chose to go with an electronically-controlled diesel, but you cannot argue that it does not provide excellent performance and, except in my case, excellent fuel economy.
It is a heavy-duty design with all primo parts that should last indefinitely if shown a minimum of care (except maybe for the electronic mumbo-jumbo).
There are a lot of neato-groovy things about the engine which make it a very driveable diesel, from the way the powerband was tuned, to the warm-up device (which really works great) and the list goes on.

All of the electronics on the engine are still International. Thus, expert advice and service can be had from plenty of International truck mechanics who have serviced these engines for several years. *VERY* unfortunately, Ford privatized all of the "off-the-engine" electronics and so as some have opined, it's difficult to find a Ford mechanic that really knows which end is up. In Texas we have a lot of Ford diesel pickups, and so it is not too hard to find a good diesel mechanic. If you are in the Houston area, I can recommend Curtis at Marshall Ford in Hempstead, right on 290. He diagnosed and homebrew-repaired a problem for me which has never recurred.

Navistar (International) has a customer service line staffed with knowledgable people and their support and information has been excellent. I would not hesitate to recommend their products and service to anyone- they will get involved with engine problems that Ford can not address, from what I have read and heard.

Regards,
Jon and the Big Red One
in Houston


------------------------------
>From Herbie_huskers msn.com Wed Mar 26 11:14:06 1997 From: "Keith Srb" Subject: 1966 Ford F-100 - Adding Power Steering To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I have a 1966 Ford F-100 with a 230 Straight Six. Currently this Truck has manual everything, steering, brakes, etc. Can anyone supply me with some information, or point me in the right direction to get some information as to where I can find the parts needed to convert to power steering. I am sure that some things would have to be custom made, like the bracket to hold the power steering pump. Will any of the parts from newer Ford Trucks work for this conversion???

I do know one person who did this conversion. He used the parts from a 1972 Ford Truck he found in a Salvage Yard. The only thing that bothers me about this approach is the fact that he had to "flatten" the frame rail out for one section of the steering gear box to fit on the frame rail.


------------------------------
>From canzus seanet.com Wed Mar 26 14:01:40 1997 From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: I hate thieves
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 09:21 PM 3/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Richard Cherico wrote:
>>
>> Well, some idiot broke into my '68 F100 today in my school parking lot.

So, one day I'm at Sears, buying the wife some tools, and I see some kid walking around the parking lot with a nail, scratching up any car/truck he can get next to.So I lay in wait, which isnt too long, til he gets to my '57, he never knew what hit him...
The fast opening door does wonders, the cops came and got his ass, and his folks wound up paying for the repairs to 19 paint jobs.
A valuable lesson was taught that day, I think it goes " there is always a witness"


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox



------------------------------
>From canzus seanet.com Wed Mar 26 14:01:38 1997 From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: Smelly air
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 10:38 AM 3/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Ya'll,
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on who I should contact for the
>installation of seat belts in my '63 (dealership, upholstery, ??)?
>
> Thanks,
> Jesus

I installed lap belts only in mine. I've been working on the shoulder belts but haven't come up with any solid method for installing them, so for right now I just drive really carefully...
My trucks have bucket seats (not installed by me) so mounting the belts was a simple process, with a bench it may be a little more complicated, but not impossible for a DIYer.

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox



------------------------------
>From canzus seanet.com Wed Mar 26 14:01:36 1997 From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: Anyone have wheels for sale?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 08:49 PM 3/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm looking for two wheels to fit 35x10.5 tires. Anyone
>have anything for sale?
>
>
>-Ken Payne

Yeah, but the shipping will be huge $...
Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox



------------------------------
>From postmaster lofcom.com Wed Mar 26 14:53:16 1997 From: "RANDY ZEILINGER" (by way of Charlie Summers) Subject: Re:SEAT BELTS: was Smelly air
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Instead of a shoulder harness (3-point) mounted to a b-pillar, have you thought
about a 4-point system mounted to the rear risers of the front seat and routed
up and over the seat back? This is a doable solution without too much trouble.
But you still may need the help of a good trimmer. Stay away from the dealer,
most just farm it out to the trim shop anyway.


While you are at the trim shop (upholstery is for couches), you might look at
some other features like leather wrapped steering wheels or re-trimmed doors.

Support your local trimmer. That's where I got my start.

Randy Z.


~~~~~~NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY!~~~~~~

(313) 39-02922 FAX (313) 845-5383 Pager (810) 890-3665

FoMoCo Vehicle Operations Maufacturing Engineer---Powertrain

1999 F-150, F-250, SVE, EXPEDITION and NAVIGATOR trucks.





------------------------------
>From gypsybill usa.net Wed Mar 26 15:11:00 1997 From: "Bill Rotureau" Subject: Re: Re: Smelly air
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Hey Ya'll,
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on who I should contact for the
>installation of seat belts in my '63 (dealership, upholstery, ??)?
>
> Thanks,
> Jesus

Jesus,

I bought me a set of lap belts from J.C. Witney. They came complete with all mounting hardware. My '64 had plugged holes in the floor board underneath the seat that were to be (I assume) for optional lap belts.
Your '63 may have the same. If not, you can drill a hole in the appropriate places. The installation hardware consist of bolts and large washers. Don't know how effective the washer will be in holding and I hope I never have to find out. You could devise a steel plate to be used as reinforcement at the mounting points - say 1/8 to 1/4" approximately 3" X 3". From what I remember of the underside of my cab, this arrangement should fit.


Good Luck,

Bill
'64 F100 Shortbox (wannabe hotrod)
'95 Thunderbird (wife's ride)
'90 Harley Dresser


------------------------------
>From PACEG1 WPGATE.UOFS.EDU Wed Mar 26 15:45:43 1997 From: Glen Pace Subject: Questions for Randy Zelinger
X-VMS-To: IN%"FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com"
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Randy do you work for FORD ??
If so will you give us a hint on the driveline of the new F-350 4x4.
Is it still a solid axle front end ?
Is it ture there will be a 6 speed stick trans?
Is it true that the auto will be an allision ?
Give us a hint if you can.
Thanks in advance
Glen

96 F-350 4x4
77 F-250 4x4



------------------------------
>From usfmdspr ibmmail.com Wed Mar 26 16:19:06 1997 From: "RANDY ZEILINGER (USFMDSPR) e-mail(usfmdspr ibmmail.com)" Subject: Questions for Randy Zelinger
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Glen (& rest): yes, I do work for FoMoCo and consider myself at that. However, I can't really tell too much since I'm on forward programmes (1999). The area is question is kind of grey so I'll try to stay away from there.

I can help with stuff that is common knowledge or published material.
For example, it was announced today that we (FORD) have caught up on the Expedition back log caused by the seat strike. 20,000 trucks have been shipped to the dealers. The line rate for Expedition production has also been increased. This info is from the company news service so I guess its OK to share.

I will try to share as long as the company's or my integrity is not compromised

Thanks for asking tho'.
Randy Z.

1996 F-150 S/C 4x4 w/ too much tire, not enough gear

~~~~~~NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY!~~~~~~ (313) 39-02922 FAX (313) 845-5383 Pager (810) 890-3665 FoMoCo Vehicle Operations Maufacturing Engineer---Powertrain
1999 F-150, F-250, SVE, EXPEDITION and NAVIGATOR trucks.
*** Forwarding note from I2328401--IBMMAIL 03/26/97 15:58 *** Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:45:43 -0500 (EST) From: Glen Pace Subject: Questions for Randy Zelinger To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Randy do you work for FORD ??
If so will you give us a hint on the driveline of the new F-350 4x4.
Is it still a solid axle front end ?
Is it ture there will be a 6 speed stick trans?
Is it true that the auto will be an allision ?
Give us a hint if you can.
Thanks in advance Glen

96 F-350 4x4 77 F-250 4x4



------------------------------

---- End of mail text

Additional SMTP headers from original mail item follow: Received: from t3.media3.net by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP;
Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:58:37 EST Received: (from lof localhost) by t3.media3.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA05468; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:46:08 -0500 (EST) X-VMS-To: IN%"FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com"


------------------------------
>From cwebb mail.ctainforms.com Wed Mar 26 18:37:17 1997 From: cwebb mail.ctainforms.com (Christopher E. Webb) Subject: Re: I hate thieves
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>
> So, one day I'm at Sears, buying the wife some tools, and I see
>some kid walking around the parking lot with a nail, scratching up
>any car/truck he can get next to.So I lay in wait, which isnt too
>long, til he gets to my '57, he never knew what hit him...
>The fast opening door does wonders, the cops came and got his ass,
>and his folks wound up paying for the repairs to 19 paint jobs.
>A valuable lesson was taught that day, I think it goes " there is
>always a witness"
>

*****BRAVO!!!!!!*********


Julia Bender
1977 F250 Custom 460/V8



------------------------------
>From joeh hbscomputers.com Wed Mar 26 20:58:10 1997 From: "Joe Harrington HBS Computers, Inc" Subject: 98 & 99 body styles
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

A week or so ago I asked the following question and received the following response:

QUESTION:

Does anyone know if the 98 model year F-250's will be the new body style. If not, what year will the new style emerge.

ANSWER:

subject: Re: 98 model body styles Here is the skinny on the 98 and 99 F-series pick-ups: 1998 F-150 "new" body style 1998 F-250 "new" body style (note CVW under 8500 lbs) 1998 F-250 "old" body style (heavy duty & diesels) 1998 F-350 "old" body style

1999 F-150/F-250(under 8500) Freshened body 1999 F-250 (over 8500) Brand new body style



NEW QUESTION:

I Went to the dealer, actually 3 of them. Its hard to find a salesperson who has a clue as to what is going on. None of them even knew that the 99 super cabs will have 4 doors. Anyway, one salesman who seemed very knowledgeable mentioned that the new 250 (over 8500gvw) may be a cross between the 97 body style and the prototype shown at the auto show.

Anyone got any ideas???

Does anyone know where to find a picture of a 99 model or the prototype shown at the auto show. Damn, I should have taken my camera to the auto show.


What magazines should I be looking at to get a sneak preview of the 99's.


Thanks everyone.


______________________ Joe Harrington / \ joeh hbscomputers.com / ___ ___ \
/___/___\___[___]___/___\__\
(____________________________)
|[ ] |UDLOSE5| [ ]|
|____________________________|
| | 87 GN | ( )|
(_______)10.92 123.10(_______)



------------------------------
>From dclosson microassist.com Wed Mar 26 21:00:16 1997 From: dclosson microassist.com (Dennis Closson) Subject: Re:'53 Ford F-250
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Matt,
Hi, My name is Jake and I am also new to this. About a year ago I had purchased a 1953 Ford f-250 stakebed. I am currently working on the Engine which is a flathead, 239 V-8, I got the truck in original cond., and I also think that it would be best if i restored it to original cond. Through the past year i have aquired many sources for restoration, and I would be gad to give them out if you would like.


Jake
'78 F-150 custom
'53 f-250 Stakebed



------------------------------
>From bigric mail.utexas.edu Wed Mar 26 21:06:19 1997 From: bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Cherico) Subject: Re: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0030 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>I was also curious if anybody has ever tried using disk brakes, or an

>ones. Also make sure you get the newer master cylinder and proportioning
>valve (or you'll have drag problems). I've recently aquired a set
>for my 67 F100.

I've just intstalled a master cylinder for a '72 F100 into my '68 F100. I told them to give me the cylinder for the four- wheel drum setup. Is this most likely different from the 2 drum/2 disc master cylinder? It's not that it's expensive, I would just like to know so I can price my conversion. And the proportioning valve has got to go also?
bigric mail.utexas.edu
'68 Ford F100 Custom Cab Stepside 360 FE '66 VW Beetle 1300



------------------------------
>From s976489 umslvma.umsl.edu Wed Mar 26 21:06:52 1997 From: Matt Kaatman Subject: Re:'53 Ford F-250
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 09:00 PM 3/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Matt,
> Hi, My name is Jake and I am also new to this. About a year ago I had
>purchased a 1953 Ford f-250 stakebed. I am currently working on the Engine
> >which is a flathead, 239 V-8, I got the truck in original cond., and I also
>think that it would be best if i restored it to original cond. Through the
>past year i have aquired many sources for restoration, and I would be gad
>to give them out if you would like.

I would very much appreciate any and all information you can give me.
Thanks,
matt kaatman
mkaatman mail.win.org
P.s. What's a stakebed?


------------------------------
>From bigric mail.utexas.edu Wed Mar 26 21:16:14 1997 From: bigric mail.utexas.edu (Richard Cherico) Subject: RE: My old '63
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>mind I am new to the classic ford game), the driver's side ....

---

To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.