Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:44:14 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Volume 97 Number 0025 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: T-Birds
Re: Tonnage...
Re: discontinued vehicles
Re: discontinued vehicles
Lets try to keep the discussion Ford truck related.
Re: Back up lights& other ?s
Re: Back up lights& other ?s
>>> RL 03/19/97 01:32pm >>>
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Re: Back up lights& other ?s
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I hate thieves
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Re: F-100s
Neat web site updates
re: 48 truck
Re: Ford ranger


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>From silent.bob juno.com Wed Mar 19 09:46:45 1997 From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: T-Birds
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Gregory Sherwin writes:
>Hi all,
> I haven't been around lately but is it true that Ford is going
>to
>do away with the Thunderbird.
>
>Greg
>84 F150 4X4 351W
>66 Mustang Coupe
>

yes, its true. And they are also doing away with the Probe, and Arrowstar.

Robert

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>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Wed Mar 19 10:19:47 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Re: Tonnage...

To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>I don't remember whether the F-6 was a 2 1/2 or 3 ton truck. In some states
>(Kansas being one of them) this designation was used to determine how much the
>license plates would cost each year.
>Regards,
>Roger Meier

Hi Roger,

Thanks for the info...Texas also uses this on the registration (mine says "1 ton") but I still can't figure out why, since it doesn't jive with published specs. For the F-350, for example, the rated cargo capacity is right around two tons.

Regards,
Jon and the Big Red One
in Houston


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>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Wed Mar 19 10:23:52 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Re: discontinued vehicles
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Hi all,
> I haven't been around lately but is it true that Ford is going to
>do away with the Thunderbird.
>
>Greg

Yes, and the Cougar, Aerostar, and another one I can't recall, also.
(Bad sales, so they say...)

The T-Bird has been a piece of crap for a long time. IMHO, what they should do is bring out a coupe version of the Crown Vic sedan, and offer it with the police package. It would kind of be an answer to the SS Montes, Impalas, etc.

I'm surprised that the Aerostar isn't selling, I thought it was quite popular.

Regards,
Jon and the Big Red One
in Houston


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>From GumboBoy aol.com Wed Mar 19 10:29:34 1997 From: GumboBoy aol.com
Subject: Re: discontinued vehicles
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

This is starting to get out of hand folks, there are only 2 vehicles that Ford is stopping production on.

The Aerostar - given we've heard this before.

The Probe - Loosing another Mazda platform

The T-bird is being re-designed into a smaller sportscar. The Cougar is also being re-designed as a possible NASCAR replacement for the T-Bird.

This comes directly from CNN. I'll fish out more info from the Ford web-site.

Joe


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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 19 10:53:14 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Lets try to keep the discussion Ford truck related.
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Lets try to keep the discussion Ford truck related.
Fordnatics is a good forum for general Ford discussions.



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>From marko helix.net Wed Mar 19 13:55:57 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Back up lights& other ?s
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>I got a question concering the back up lights on my 71 F-100. I don't know
>much on cars but I plan to learn something. Anyway the lights didn't work
>so I bought replacement bulbs. The ones I took out looked like they burned
>out as they had the black coating on the inside. I figure either a fuse is
>blown or the wiring is bad cause the lights still don't work. I'm going to
>replace my driverside fender and door and am wondering what yrs would
>work. I can tell the differnt yrs by the looking at the grills and where
>the parking lights located. I figure I could use the 68's up to 71's and
>myabe a little after that but I'm not for sure. My last question is I was
>going to put on an aftermarket tow hitch and was looking around in
>Wal-mart and found on but it was only for 1973 and after. Why is that? Did
>they change the frame or something?
> thanks
> Ryan
>
Ryan:

I have a 1971 F250.

Do you have a manual transmission? I do, and I had the problem that the reverse light switch wire which plugs into a switch on the trans. (and turns the reverse lights on each time you put the truck in reverse) was unplugged.
Check that. Chances are, if the bulb is good and you see no burnt fuses, and the socket is okay, that the switch is unplugged. It's usually that simple. BTW the auto trans has the reverse light switch too. In the manual it's on top under the cover plate in the floor of the cab, on the auto I'm not 100% sure, but look for a circular-type black plug with two wires coming out of it. I think it's located closer to the back of the auto trans, near where the linkage goes in.

Also, did the light bulbs come out and go in easily? Check to see that the contacts in the socket are not corroded. Also, the bottom plate in the socket is on a spring and should push in and out smoothly. If not, spray in some wd40 and work the plate until it moves freely.

I have a similar problem sometimes with my brake lights, in that they seem to burn out a lot. What happens is water gets into the socket/light assembly. Check for cracks and make sure the light assembly is sealed right.

As for the fender and door, 67-72 should work okay, but try to get a 70, 71 or 72 just because, say, the interior panels etc may be a bit different on the earlier ones. Wreckers are filled with these trucks (the steel was very good) so you should'nt have any problem finding.

Finally, about the hitch.

I think the frames are basically the same. Ford used the same running gear on many trucks until the late 70's. Most likely the reason the listing is from 1973 on (probably 73 to 79) is that in 1973, the body style changed.
Look at your door and box; the strength crease down the middle of the door is an "outie". On 1973 and later models, it's an "innie"). Ironically, most of the support stuff, like cab mounts, radiator support, inner fenders, are basically identical from 67 to 76 anyway. So, chances are the frame is identical too.

I'm sure that wal mart will give you a refund if it doesn't fit.

good luck!!!


marko in vancouver
1971 F250 4x4 (360)



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>From st0478 student-mail.jsu.edu Wed Mar 19 14:32:44 1997 From: RL
Subject: Re: Back up lights& other ?s
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Thanks for all the advice to those who replyed. Yeah it's a 3-speed with a 360. Ok, I've got some more questions about my truck. How much can my F-100 tow? The id tag in the door is missing so I haven't got a clue. It's a Ranger XLT but I guess thats a trim package so don't know if that will help.
Question #1: when I go out to start the truck the engine won't stay running. You have to get starting it while giving it gas so you end up reving the engine unitl it stays running. My brother is the mechanic in the house(I plan on learning) and he rebuilt the carb awhile back. I figure that it needs a mannaul choke so it ends up staying open and running. Or is something else wrong?

#2: Mine has what looks like a toggle switch near the cargo light knob. Does anyone know what that would go to? It might be aftermarket cause we found where it(the wire) ends in the engine compartment and it produces a low output.

#3: I was going to replace the cargo light but when I undid all the screws the light fixture was still in place, it didn't even move. My brother said it was just a gasket and just tear it off. I didn't want to break anything so I put the screws back in. Could it be plastic and also attached in the inside of the cab?

#4: For the hose that runs from the the gas cap to the tank do I have to get that from the Ford Dealer? I asked at AAP and he was like we don't carry that.

#5: My brother drove my truck for awhile and took it from Nashville, TN to my grandparents in Virgina. He said he had to fill it up 10 times and told me I should replace the 2 barrel with a 4, which would include a new manafold. The engine has got about 150,000+ on it so I'm sure gas mileage isn't to great. He said that a 4 has smaller primaries which would help the mileage. Would that be a good idea? If so where would I be able to find a manafold and 4 barrel?

#6: How many Sport pickups did Ford make in the 70's. I've seen acouple ads and my brother thinks they are cool. I think he said they were made in 72. I was just wondering about that.

Thats all my questions for now
Ryan



> Ryan:
>
> I have a 1971 F250.
>
> Do you have a manual transmission? I do, and I had the problem that the
> reverse light switch wire which plugs into a switch on the trans. (and turns
> the reverse lights on each time you put the truck in reverse) was unplugged.
> Check that. Chances are, if the bulb is good and you see no burnt fuses,
> and the socket is okay, that the switch is unplugged. It's usually that
> simple. BTW the auto trans has the reverse light switch too. In the manual
> it's on top under the cover plate in the floor of the cab, on the auto I'm
> not 100% sure, but look for a circular-type black plug with two wires coming
> out of it. I think it's located closer to the back of the auto trans, near
> where the linkage goes in.
>
> Also, did the light bulbs come out and go in easily? Check to see that the
> contacts in the socket are not corroded. Also, the bottom plate in the
> socket is on a spring and should push in and out smoothly. If not, spray in
> some wd40 and work the plate until it moves freely.
>
> I have a similar problem sometimes with my brake lights, in that they seem
> to burn out a lot. What happens is water gets into the socket/light
> assembly. Check for cracks and make sure the light assembly is sealed right.
>
> As for the fender and door, 67-72 should work okay, but try to get a 70, 71
> or 72 just because, say, the interior panels etc may be a bit different on
> the earlier ones. Wreckers are filled with these trucks (the steel was very
> good) so you should'nt have any problem finding.
>
> Finally, about the hitch.
>
> I think the frames are basically the same. Ford used the same running gear
> on many trucks until the late 70's. Most likely the reason the listing is
> from 1973 on (probably 73 to 79) is that in 1973, the body style changed.
> Look at your door and box; the strength crease down the middle of the door
> is an "outie". On 1973 and later models, it's an "innie"). Ironically,
> most of the support stuff, like cab mounts, radiator support, inner fenders,
> are basically identical from 67 to 76 anyway. So, chances are the frame is
> identical too.
>
> I'm sure that wal mart will give you a refund if it doesn't fit.
>
> good luck!!!
>
>
> marko in vancouver
> 1971 F250 4x4 (360)
>
>
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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 19 15:01:04 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: >>> RL 03/19/97 01:32pm >>> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> RL 03/19/97 01:32pm >>>
>Thanks for all the advice to those who replyed. Yeah it's a 3-speed
>with a 360. Ok, I've got some more questions about my truck. How
>much can my F-100 tow? The id tag in the door is missing so I
>haven't got a clue. It's a Ranger XLT but I guess thats a trim
>package so don't know if that will help.

Can't help you with this one, towing capacity is in a book I have at home (I'm at work now).

>Question #1: when I go out to start the truck the engine
> >won't stay running. You have to get starting it while giving it
>gas so you end up reving the engine unitl it stays running. My
>brother is the mechanic in the house(I plan on learning) and he
>rebuilt the carb awhile back. I figure that it needs a mannaul
>choke so it ends up staying open and running. Or is something
>else wrong?

Your diagnosis is correct. Or you could go pick up a automatic thermal choke.

>#2: Mine has what looks like a toggle switch near the cargo
>light knob. Does anyone know what that would go to? It might be
> aftermarket cause we found where it(the wire) ends in the engine
> >compartment and it produces a low output.

Again, the book's at home.

>#3: I was going to replace the cargo light but when I undid
>all the screws the light fixture was still in place, it didn't even
>move. My brother said it was just a gasket and just tear it off. I
>didn't want to break anything so I put the screws back in. Could it
>be plastic and also attached in the inside of the cab?

Just the gasket.

>#4: For the hose that runs from the the gas cap to the tank
>do I have to get that from the Ford Dealer? I asked at AAP and he
>was like we don't carry that.

Most of the suppliers on the web page can get you that. Its an antique/NOS item. Ford doesn't carry it anymore.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks


>#5: My brother drove my truck for awhile and took it from
>Nashville, TN to my grandparents in Virgina. He said he had to fill
>it up 10 times and told me I should replace the 2 barrel with a 4,
>which would include a new manafold. The engine has got about
>150,000+ on it so I'm sure gas mileage isn't to great. He said
>that a 4 has smaller primaries which would help the mileage. Would
>that be a good idea? If so where would I be able to find a manafold
>and 4 barrel?

It should help if you can resist the temptation to use the extra power the 4 barrel will give you. You can get the manifold and carb from a junk yard, any 360/390 combo from a car or truck should work. Edlebrock has a new intake carb combo on their home page. Its very high performance and should help the milage too (once again, if your foot isn't lead).

>#6: How many Sport pickups did Ford make in the 70's. I've seen
>acouple ads and my brother thinks they are cool. I think he said
>they were made in 72. I was just wondering about that.

I haven't the slightest clue on this one.



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>From kirby escape.ca Wed Mar 19 15:46:33 1997 From: Colin Kirby
Subject: Please UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS LIST!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I DID NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS THING, PLEASE TAKE ME OFF RIGHT AWAY.

At 01:55 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I got a question concering the back up lights on my 71 F-100. I don't know
>>much on cars but I plan to learn something. Anyway the lights didn't work
>>so I bought replacement bulbs. The ones I took out looked like they burned
>>out as they had the black coating on the inside. I figure either a fuse is
>>blown or the wiring is bad cause the lights still don't work. I'm going to
>>replace my driverside fender and door and am wondering what yrs would
>>work. I can tell the differnt yrs by the looking at the grills and where
>>the parking lights located. I figure I could use the 68's up to 71's and
>>myabe a little after that but I'm not for sure. My last question is I was
>>going to put on an aftermarket tow hitch and was looking around in
>>Wal-mart and found on but it was only for 1973 and after. Why is that? Did
>>they change the frame or something?
>> thanks
>> Ryan
>>
>Ryan:
>
>I have a 1971 F250.
>
>Do you have a manual transmission? I do, and I had the problem that the
>reverse light switch wire which plugs into a switch on the trans. (and turns
>the reverse lights on each time you put the truck in reverse) was unplugged.
>Check that. Chances are, if the bulb is good and you see no burnt fuses,
>and the socket is okay, that the switch is unplugged. It's usually that
>simple. BTW the auto trans has the reverse light switch too. In the manual
>it's on top under the cover plate in the floor of the cab, on the auto I'm
>not 100% sure, but look for a circular-type black plug with two wires coming
>out of it. I think it's located closer to the back of the auto trans, near
>where the linkage goes in.
>
>Also, did the light bulbs come out and go in easily? Check to see that the
>contacts in the socket are not corroded. Also, the bottom plate in the
>socket is on a spring and should push in and out smoothly. If not, spray in
>some wd40 and work the plate until it moves freely.
>
>I have a similar problem sometimes with my brake lights, in that they seem
>to burn out a lot. What happens is water gets into the socket/light
>assembly. Check for cracks and make sure the light assembly is sealed right.
>
>As for the fender and door, 67-72 should work okay, but try to get a 70, 71
>or 72 just because, say, the interior panels etc may be a bit different on
>the earlier ones. Wreckers are filled with these trucks (the steel was very
>good) so you should'nt have any problem finding.
>
>Finally, about the hitch.
>
>I think the frames are basically the same. Ford used the same running gear
>on many trucks until the late 70's. Most likely the reason the listing is
>from 1973 on (probably 73 to 79) is that in 1973, the body style changed.....

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