Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:00:58 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
From: digest-proc lofcom.com
Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0022
Reply-To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Volume 97 Number 0022 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Barn full of parts
> Re: Voting Results
Flaps!
Gold Mine
Re: Voting Results
Re: Barn full of parts
> Re: Flaps!
Re: Voting Results
Re: Powerstroke Problems
Re: Flaps!
tachometer signal
'46 rear axle bearing race trouble
Re: Flaps!
Re: Flaps!


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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Mar 14 22:48:41 1997 From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Barn full of parts
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I have just been recently contacted by a guy in NE Connecticut that has a barn full of parts for
35-56 Ford trucks that he's looking to get rid of. He wasn't very specific about the parts except he
had chasis, cabs, running gear and doors etc. He didn't say anything about the condition. I have asked
him to expand on his offering and if you have an interest, post a message, and I'll send another message
to elaborate (if I hear back) and give his email address

Thanks Steve


Steve from Canada
56 Ford, F-100
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classicar.com/clubs/scop/scop.htm



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>From canzus techline.com Fri Mar 14 23:02:27 1997 From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: Voting Results
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> For Split: 23 = 38.33%
> Against Split: 37 = 61.66%
>
>At this point we are keeping the list whole.


Ain't America great??? I voted for the split, but after reading some of the arguments against it tonight, I have gained a little insight into the ownership of the best trucks on earth.
Just wanted to say thanks....


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'57 F100 Shorty
'63 F100 Longbox



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>From lumstruk interaccess.com Fri Mar 14 23:36:46 1997 From: "Scott Hogue" Subject: Flaps!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I've got a `97 Splash, and need mud flaps. Does anyone know if there's a company that makes flaps that will use existing holdes? I hate to drill if it can be avoided......




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>From rmeier connect.net Sat Mar 15 00:10:21 1997 From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: Gold Mine
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

OK group, I have (hahahahhaahaha) found the mother lode. Never in my life had I dreamed I would again see such a collection of information. No drooling please. I was at a friends house last night (he is a Corvette lover) and he showed me his pile of old Ford parts books and shop manuals that he had accumulated back in the mid to late 50's while he was working at a Ford dealership in N.J. He gave me a sample to look at for a few days (he doesn't want to give them up yet but says when he is ready to he will remember me) and here is a partial listing: Restorers guides for 33 and 34 Ford from the Ford achives from way back when (with a lot of dimensional and spec information) Parts books for 55-57 Ford and another for 55-56 Ford and T-birds Shop manual for 53 Ford trucks
Body parts book for 35 Cars and light trucks (commercials) Body parts book for 36 Cars and commercials upholstery samples for 40 and 42 cars
Two speed axle parts books for 38 to 46 trucks Chassis parts book ( engine and running gear) for 38-44 cars and trucks All this has lots of model identification information also.
Many parts price list books

Mitch, the 21C in your VIN appears to be a model number (not a body type) and indicates it is a 114 inch wheelbase 1/2 ton commercial chassis vehicle with a 90 hp 8 cyl engine.

Of course like most Ford parts books there are quite a few pictures that aid in model and year identification.

Enough of this for now, must get back to exploring.
Regards,
Roger Meier



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>From jstrigas worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 15 05:28:06 1997 From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Voting Results
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Can we vote on Aerostars to be on the list?
God Bones let it die!
Damn it Jim, I can't. Damn it, I'm a Doctor! Damn it, I took an oath to keep things alive!
That's not logical Doctor!
Damn it Spock, what do you know, your mother cropped your ears and told people your father was a Valcon, so they wouldn't tease you about those hubcaps on the sides of your head! Damn it, I need to keep things alive.
Damn it, If only I thought this way when I was young, my father wouldn't have died. But Damn it, how'd you know, feeling are probably not logical, are they Spock?
I'm not a Valcon ;[ ?

Hi Guys!
As you may have guessed by now, I think I'm a comedian (Yes, I have heard other definitions, I like comedian)! I joined the list once before and quit, I had my head in a dark and lonely place, but I'm much better now!
Thanks Ken for your all work. I'm glad it went well! I hope you have a good time tonight!
Well I just wanted to say hi to everyone, Does anyone live in So. Cal.
(I'm in Rancho Cucamonga). I just heard from Rick Larson. What a cool Bro!
The Mega genius that I am, I didn't mark, or record how I had my vacuum lines when I pulled my intake manifold. He was willing to go out and check his for me! Get this it's under 8" of snow! Man out here I could ask someone and I'd get, "AS IF"! I don't know where you are Bro, but I hope your warm! We moved from Mass. to CA. in 1962. I was a wee lad of 7, so my memory of snow is neck deep and freezing cold.
I'm just finishing up a project on my truck. I put a set of shorty headers form a late model Mustang Conv. I also installed a breakerless ignition system I pulled from a 1977 Merc. $23.00 from Ecology Auto Wrecking 50% off sale. The cap, rotor and plugwires were new. ignition module, coil, wire harness and distributor were all in good shape, and work great! I have also replaced the belt driven fan with an electric fan. I have no way to show improvement, and it may be all in my head, but it seems to run a lot smoother and has more power. But then what do I know, I thought my Aerostar had a frame (It's a joke! I'm just being a Smart As...I mean a Comedian, ya that's it I'm being a Comedian)! Next I want to install my Holley spread bore. But that's another story!

I think I've had enough fun with the Aerostar. I'll let it die, before I piss someone off!

Damn it Jim, you can't do that!

I'm not a Valcon? Maybe I'm a Falcon? No that's not logical. Maybe I'm a doctor, hmm, a doctor? Doctor Spock? That's it!
You two quit acting like children!

OK!

OK! Sorry!

Hmm, that seemed to work! Maybe I'll write a book! ;]

Jim Strigas jstrigas worldnet.att.net
"73" Ford F100 (piece a %*&#^ Love it, I Just Love it!) "89" Ford Aerostar (a Frameless Hussy, But a good ol Gal.) "83" Yamaha XJ900RK (Best Gift of my life! From my best friends! RSCL) "86" Honda GoldWing GL1200 (OK, this part goes here, and this... this... I think goes on the truck.)

Be Cool Daddy-O {B-)>


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> From: Ken Payne
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
> Subject: Voting Results
> Date: Friday, March 14, 1997 4:26 PM
>
> Vote results:
> ================================================================
> Let me begin by saying thanks to everyone for being very civil
> about this whole matter. That was why at one point I asked for
> private email, I was afraid that a flame war would errupt. No
> flame war came about. Next time we have a vote I believe it
> would be a good idea to have a public, civil debate since this
> issue went so well. The voting process in the future will be
> via the web page form again - it made things on this end much
> easier to deal with.
>
> I'm heading out for the evening so I won't be available to
> respond to comments until tomorrow. Everyone have a good one.
>
> The issue voted on was whether or not we should split the list
> into two lists:
> 1. 1979 and earlier trucks
> 2. 1980 and later trucks
>
> In brief:
> ---------
> For Split: 23 = 38.33%
> Against Split: 37 = 61.66%
>
> At this point we are keeping the list whole. The votes where
> not split along new and old truck owners but spread out pretty
> evenly amoung both groups.
>
> Detailed opinions of members: Some of these were posted to the
> list, some arrived via private email. Some editing was required
> in order to keep members anonymous. I took out year models of
> vehicles, makes and number of vehicles in order to keep members
> from being identified. Editing was done regardless of whether
> or not the email was privately sent. Also, the text was formated
> to 65 columns (most readers are ok with this value).
>
> AGAINST SPLIT
> -------------
>
> 1. Hey Ken,
>
> > Should we split the list into two seperate lists?
> > Specifically, pre-1980 trucks and 1980+ trucks?
>
> FWIW, I think we should take that wait and see approach....
> The wide range of truck discussions has not become overly
> burdensome to my email account.....yet. Maybe it could be
> re-evaluated once we get a few more signups....As for the
> years you chose for the breaking point...I think that
> would work okay for me.
>
> Just my opinion. BTW, the list is really great!
>
> This one was publicly posted:
> 2. I like it the way it is now.
>
> This one was a public reply to the previous one:
> 3. >I like it the way it is now.
> >
>
> I agree
>
> 4. I personally would object to splitting the group in two, as
> I would have interests in both groups. I own a 198x xxxxxx
> and a 195x xxxxxx.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> This one was posted publicly:
> 5. I'm NOT in favor of it....I enjoy seeing post on everything.
> I can get ideas from any year.
>
>
> This one was a public reply to the previous one:
> 6. No, do not seperate the list.
> I aggree with the reply.
> Thats my vote.
>
>
> 7. First I'd like to thank you for your time and efforts in
> setting up this list. I'm in favor of not splitting the
> list. Even though I gather the most information from the
> pre '80s posts, I enjoy reading the post '80s too. Also,
> the mail archiving service sounds O.K.
>
> 8. I have only been a member for slightly over a week now.
> But have gained much knowledge in that short period.
>
> I do not think that a split is necessary at this but in
> the future might be required as number of members grow.
> Now, each member could be more discriminate in the messages
> that are read. It takes me approxiamtely one minute to
> read the crux of a message. If not required information
> I delete it and move on to the next.
>
> I have a xxxxx, xxxxx and in the process of acquiring a
> xxxxx.
>
> 9. I vote no. Don't split the group. I like reading about all
> the Ford trucks.
>
>
> 10. I own a xxxx 4x4, and I tune into the list in order to keep
> current on what's happening with late-model trucks, and still
> keep up with problems/solutions on older trucks.
>
> Just because you don't hear much from "us newer model owners"
> doesn't mean we're not out here.
>
> As Ford sells more '97's with the modular engine family, I
> expect that the list will begin to see more questions about
> performance, safety, and handling concerns.
>
> Keep the list whole.
>
> 11. NO SPLIT
> I enjoy reading about both groups, I may buy a new ford
> truck and this will tell me what trucks to avoid and which
> ones are good. Also I may decide to put a new engine in
> my 19xx F100 and I will need the help with the wiring. If
> the new truck owners start making alot of post to were
> it's warranted maybe then.
>
> 12. If the owners of newer trucks are not posting...why split?
>
> I like to see the old truck stuff and the new truck stuff
> (maybe someday I'll replace the 19xx Fxxx). It is nice
> to see the discussions on what parts will work on my old
> truck while collecting information on the newer trucks.
>
>
> 13. *** Don't know if this one should count ***
> I believe that there is too much valuable information
> that can be gained for each group to split up the mailing
> list. Although, both years can vary dramastically, there is
> still alot of common knowledge that can be gained from each
> other.
>
> One last note, I am not a subscriber YET, but I do bleed Ford
> Blue and look for as many avenues as possible to solve a
> problem or just gain valuable Ford info.
>
> Good Luck...
>
> 14. Even though I've got a newer truck I still like reading
> about the older ones. Besides, there probably wouldn't be
> much traffic on the 1980 and newer list, so I vote to keep
> one list.
>
> 15. I like getting information on the newer truck's, and seeing
> what might fit on my old truck as well.I vote no split.
>
> 16. NO SPLIT
> Even though I have a 'xx I enjoy reading about the older
> trucks as I have had a 'xx,'xx and a 'xx!
>
> 17. The traffic is really not that great to force a split.
> I will probably not be using the group *that* much other than
> when I have questions to pose to the list. I think some
> things are relative to both sides of the list, (info about
> gear ratios for example, and maybe talk of people projects
> will lead new truck owners to start their own "project"
> truck. Or vice versa. Since the digest is available, if
> people don't want the traffic, use the digest.
>
> 18. I vote no split. I have trucks on both sides of the this
> wall and although most of my postings are about the older
> trucks, I pickup (no pun intended) ideas and helpful hints
> for the newer truck also.
>
> 19. Keep the group together. As long as folks are clear in the
> subject area I maintain my ability to ignore messages I
> think I wouldn't want to read.
>
> 20. I am currently interested only in the newer trucks, however
> the information passed about tricks and tips that cover the
> older trucks interest me.
>
> Keep it together.
>
> 21. I'm looking for an early V8 1/2 ton (19xxs or xxs. I know
> when I find it, it will need work, and I will need help.
> From my reading of the list it seems as though the owners
> of the newer trucks have a generously given knowledge about
> all years and so I see no reason from my end to limit any
> answers to questions I might post. If I don't want to read
> something posted I just skip over it. Whats the big deal.
> THANK YOU for the list Ken.
>
> 22. I do not think we need to split. I own trucks from 19xx to
> 19xx and enjoy comments from all Ford owners.
>
> 23. NO SPLIT (This is from the web form vote with no comment)
>
> 24. NO SPLIT (This is from the web form vote with no comment)
>
> 25. NO SPLIT
> I have only been subscribed a few days but it doesn't seem to
> me to be necessary. There isn't so much traffic that it is
> overwhelming to review and many subjects have some relevance
> to both groups. If the group gets much bigger then consider
> splitting, but not now.
>
> 26. I like the list the way it is. And thanks for getting it
> started!
>
> 27. My vote is no - although I don't read all the mail that comes
> my way (if I can't help or has no interest) I want the chance
> to make that choice. Some things in all years can be
> beneficial if you are doing the street rod thing like I am...
>
> 28. Keep it the same, all information is good information
>
> 29. I vote to keep the list as one group all years.
>
> 30. I'd just as soon keep it one list.
>
> 31. I vote not to split the group. Someday I just maybe able to
> afford one of those nice new powerstroke Fords. My old one
> does the job right now. I would like to know what to look for
> in the new.
>
> 32. Keep the list together.
>
> I own a newer model but am looking for an older one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 33. NO SPLIT (This is from the web form vote with no comment)
>
> 34. Ken, for now I vote for one combined list. I've got new,
> and feel that alist for newer vehicles would have little. So
> I get to listen to these 'old' guys rattle on.
>
> Beats Seinfeld, fer sure....
>
> 36. NO SPLIT
> Although it makes for a lot of reading, I like the
> information received on all trucks as there are some topics
> that can't be divided into years. In the end my truck will
> look stock but definitely won't be mechanically (a sleeper
> in the truest sense!)
>
> 37. NO SPLIT
> i have ford trucks on both sides of
> those dates and im always looking for
> others, so all information is important
> for now and possibly in the future.
> i feel that all ford trucks are related
> and it would be bad to forget about
> where you came from.
>
>
>
>
> FOR SPLIT
> ---------
>
> 1. I'm for 2 lists; 80 up & 79 back. For us older truck owners
> it is hard to get interested in, for example, diesel engine
> > questions or parts for an 88 pickup. I'm sure the later group
> would feel the same. Thanks.
>
> 2. Ken:
> Why not offer the split?....

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