Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Volume 97 Number 0019 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: 1976 Idle/1974 vacuum and idle
Re: 78 ranchero 351 windsor
Re:FE in 64 F-250, and Y-block Parts
> Re: carb woes
Re: carb woes
Re: The Vote -Reply
Re: The Vote -Reply
Vote to split
Re: Vote to split
Vote Opinion
Vote
1986 F-150 300cu inline 6
steering rag joint repair
Re: The Vote -Reply
Re: The Vote -Reply
Re: The Vote -Reply
1996 F-150 S/C
Re: The Vote -Reply -Reply
Vote Opinion -Reply
1996 F-150 4X4 EXTENDED CAB 5.0 V8
steering rag joint repair -Reply
Re: The Vote -Reply -Reply
Re: 1996 F-150 S/C
1996 F-150 S/C -Reply


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 01:58:22 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: 1976 Idle/1974 vacuum and idle To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Donald R. Screen wrote:
>
> To Phillip Johnson:
>
> is right for the 360 V8. So I retarded the timing..could only get to
> about 11 degrees before the truck started to buck and cough. Finally I
> hooked up a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold tap. At 11 degrees of
> timing I was only getting 15 inches of unsteady vacuum. I richened the
> mixture by turning the mixture set screws one at a time a the base of
> the carb. Idle finally smoothed out and vacuum reading went to 20
> inches (More like it should be). I really don't know if this is proper
> but it seemed to fix the rough idle problems. Gonna have to check the
> plugs after awhile and see if there is carbon buildup indicating too
> rich a mixture. You fellow Ford owners are the only ones other than my
> collection of truck books that can tell me if there is a better way to
> smooth out a rough idle.
>
> Don
> Allen, Texas

How many rpms were you turning when you were measuring timing and vacuum? 20 inches at idle for a FE seems a little too high. I would expect more like 15 - 18. Any input on this one?
Does it have points? Did you check dwell/point gap?


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Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net

69 F100 390 FE
Formerly:
66 Ford Mustang FASTback 289.

First On Race Day!


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 02:30:39 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: 78 ranchero 351 windsor
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>
> >>> Smokey 03/11/97 09:58am >>>
> >
> > I'd like your thoughts on what preformance part are necessary to built
> >a
> > 325-350 horse motor for a 78 Ranchero. I would like to maintain some
> gas
> > mileage as the car will be a daily driver.( in town mosty) what cam to
> > use what compression ratio intake and carb( 4 barrel) I plan to use
> > stock exhaust manifold and run dual exhaust( what size pipe) Heads
> have
> > adjustable rocker studs and valves new springs i like to go stronger
> > than a rv cam if possible. THe car has an fx automatic with stock rear
> > end gross car weight is an amazing 6,000 lb. your input will be greatly
> > appreciated
> > thanks much
> > smokey wells
> > phx, az
> > ps will run ac in summer
>

A c4 or c6 to fit the engine. Port the exhaust side of the stock heads.
Edelbrock Performer Manifold port matched to the head. Headers and a good set of mufflers, don't use very large diameter exhaust tubing ~ 2.5 inches. A 600 cfm max Holley vacuum secondary. There are billions of cams available for this engine.
How will you be changing the compression ratio? I would go with 9.0 : 1 compression.

My fullsize truck with a C6, Big Block, spare tire,two passengers and 500 pounds of cargo weighs less than 5000 pounds.

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net

69 F100 390 FE
Formerly:
66 Ford Mustang FASTback 289.

First On Race Day!


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>From mbaker slate.mines.edu Wed Mar 12 02:59:03 1997 From: Mathew Baker Subject: Re:FE in 64 F-250, and Y-block Parts To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Has anyone out there tried to trade out the Y-block in a '61-'64 and put in a FE block? The truck has a T-98 four speed, and I have a bell housing from a '66 F-250 for FE, but it was mated to a New Process from a newer truck, and I need to know what clutch to use.
Also, does anyone know where I can find a manifold for a modern Holley 4-barrel and other performance parts or literature for the Y-blocks. My Family is currently running 4 Y-blocks, and I want to play with one.



Mat Baker
mbaker slate.mines.edu

'64 F-250 4X4
'64 F-100
'61 F-100 Stepside


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>From williame why.net Wed Mar 12 08:31:59 1997 From: william enox
Subject: Re: carb woes
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

marko maryniak wrote:

Hi.

Well, Jim in Central NY, I hope you're listening.

I have to order a vacuum gauge so I haven't hooked one up yet. But
the
beast is not running well so I thought I'd outline everything to you
in
hopes of coming up with a possible solution.

The truck is a 71 F250 4x4 with the heavy suspension.

As you know, my carb is the 6919 holley with the 10.5" power valve
and an
electric choke. The engine is a 360 with a cast dual plane
manifold. I run
an open air cleaner.
I live at sea level, and it's quite damp here in the NW, especially
now.

The engine is equipped with an almost-new RV cam.

I have a Ford electronic ignition on the truck. The cap is the tall
kind
(not flat) and I have good 8mm wires on it.

When I go to start it, esp in damp weather between 30 and 45
degrees, it
starts fine, kicks up to fast idle and goes for a bit. As soon as
the choke
heater warms up, the idle speed drops down and the idle is awful,
almost
dead. I have to keep revving the engine to keep it going. If I
hold the
throttle down part way it idles better but it seems with an excess
of
throttle opening for the speed. It's still rough then.

Once the truck gets to normal operating temperature the idle
corrects itself.

During highway driving, when going uphill on a long gentle incline
(gentle
pressure on the accelerator) or going up a really steep one with
your foot
in it, at about 50 or so mph in 4th (top) gear, the engine blips and

backfires. If I gear up to 3rd and rev the engine high, the problem
ceases.

On downhill deceleration there is some backfiring in the exhaust.
Not
excessively loud. I run manifolds, duals (short, exhausting in front
of the
back tires) and 'turbo' mufflers.

When I shut the engine off, there is a strongish smell of gas from
the
engine compartment, coming from the carburetor vents I think. There
are no
visible leaks.

The exhaust smells somewhat dirty, like unburned hydrocarbons. I
suspect
the carburetor is running rich.

What do you suspect is going on, and is the vacuum gauge still the
best way
to check this problem out?

Could the idle problem be fixed with a spacer, wide flat cap, and
the
appropriate wires?

And what about the

Thanks,

marko in Vancouver
71 f250 4x4
marko helix.net

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Have you checked to see if your floats are set to high? This can cause an over rich mixture, and backfiring. also is the carb an older one? if so maybe the airbleeds in the top of the carb are dirty (the small holes in the brass plugs just inside the aircleaner flange)




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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Wed Mar 12 10:26:42 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: carb woes
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Marko,
I would check out a few things first. Pull a few spark plugs and check their color. That will tell if you are generally, rich, lean, or in the ballpark. Depending on what you find will help you focus on where to look for some improvement.

Now when your engine is warming up and just coming off choke, pop the air cleaner and gently move the choke plate to more choke and less choke to see if you can improve the crummy idle at this point. Color of the plugs from above should give you an idea of which way *should* help.

The power valve shouldn't have any effect at idle, unless it has ruptured.
More on that later. I am assuming that you have your initial timing pretty much correct and that the idle mixture screws are adjusted for maximum vacuum.

When you are under mild throttle, do you have any idea what vacuum you are pulling? That O-6919 carb should have a #125-206 power valve, but it opens its first stage below 12.5"Hg. I suspect your vehicle generally pulls less vacuum than that when just running steady speeds. THerefore your first stage is probably flowing extra fuel all most all the time. (Second stage on this power valve should open below 6.5"Hg.

Now if the power valve has sustained a backfire through the carb, there is a good chance that the backfire ruptured the powervalve's diaphram, although some Holly's have an anti-backfire feature (which is like a little b-bee in the vacuum channel that leads to the powervalve, so that the pressure of the backfire forces the b-bee into a restriction in the channel and shuts of the pressure to the powervalve.)

If the powervalve diaphram is ruptured, fuel will leak past the diaphram and leak down the vacuum channel, and dump into the intake manifold, below the throttle blades. This *could* cause your crummy idle, could cause your stutering at mild cruise, could give you lotsa power at full throttle, and could cause the backfiring out the exhaust when you back off. When you back off, with the throttle plates closed all the way, vacuum goes very high in the intake manifold, and if there are any puddles of fuel in their, the high vacuum will cause them to vaporise, making the mixture so rich that it burns very slow, so slow that it is still burning(exploding) as it goes down the exhaust pipe.

Hope this gets you "digging where the 'taters are". Happy Trucking!

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 12 11:06:16 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: The Vote -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> "Mitch Miller" 03/11/97 11:07pm >>>
>Ken Payne said:
>
>"On Wednesday I'm going to total the votes.
>Your vote does count and this will be decided fairly
>My personal feelings in this will not count, my vote counts."
>
>
>So what DO you think, Ken?
>
>Mitch Miller
>mmiller dryden.net

I'm for the split. It seems that maybe some of the owners of newer trucks are holding back because they aren't the majority. I held back on the Fordnatics list because I felt out of place because I don't have a Mustang. Maybe a when we get more members this won't be a problem - but growth has slowed down from the average of 8-10 new members a night to about 3. I will admit that there are very good reasons for not splitting - personnally I've benefited by knowledge of which "new" parts will fit on my old truck.

I'm going to present each members reasoning anonymously tonight when I announce the vote - that way everyone will know the vote is "on the level."




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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 12 11:06:16 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: The Vote -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> "Mitch Miller" 03/11/97 11:07pm >>>
>Ken Payne said:
>
>"On Wednesday I'm going to total the votes.
>Your vote does count and this will be decided fairly
>My personal feelings in this will not count, my vote counts."
>
>
>So what DO you think, Ken?
>
>Mitch Miller
>mmiller dryden.net

I'm for the split. It seems that maybe some of the owners of newer trucks are holding back because they aren't the majority. I held back on the Fordnatics list because I felt out of place because I don't have a Mustang. Maybe a when we get more members this won't be a problem - but growth has slowed down from the average of 8-10 new members a night to about 3. I will admit that there are very good reasons for not splitting - personnally I've benefited by knowledge of which "new" parts will fit on my old truck.

I'm going to present each members reasoning anonymously tonight when I announce the vote - that way everyone will know the vote is "on the level."




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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 12 12:21:17 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Vote to split
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Regarding that last message I posted, I wasn't paying attention when I replied and didn't realize it was going out to the entire list - thought it was private. Sorry - I wanted to keep my opinion off the airwaves.

Also, before I post the opinions on the matter I want to know if there are any objections. Rest assured that anonymity is completely guarded, years, makes, models and number of vehicles have been eliminated as well as names and email addresses. In some places makes/years were replaced with xxxx. Also, I made a mistake, there have been 14 votes placed - not 18.





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>From jayvanv teleport.com Wed Mar 12 12:41:38 1997 From: "jayvanv teleport.com" Subject: Re: Vote to split
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

With such a small turnout perhaps there should be another call to vote on it and exactly what is proposed.=20


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On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> Regarding that last message I posted, I wasn't paying
> attention when I replied and didn't realize it was going
> out to the entire list - thought it was private. Sorry -
> I wanted to keep my opinion off the airwaves.
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> to know if there are any objections. Rest assured
> that anonymity is completely guarded, years, makes,
> models and number of vehicles have been eliminated
> as well as names and email addresses. In some
> places makes/years were replaced with xxxx. Also, =20
> I made a mistake, there have been 14 votes placed=20
> - not 18.
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>From llemmon pilot-ind.com Wed Mar 12 13:23:05 1997 From: llemmon pilot-ind.com
Subject: Vote Opinion
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I don't mind if the L*st splits or not. I am on the list for info on the newer trucks, but the messages are not that heavy compared to the fordnatic & 5.0 l*sts. I think that the newer truck owners are not participating as much because *most* of us are not actively doing much to our trucks yet.(I could be wrong on that point though) I do like the L*st and have learned a few things that will help already.

2 cents
Lee
93 Ranger 4x4 x-cab


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>From payne platinum.com Wed Mar 12 14:04:40 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Vote....

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