Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:01:40 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0016
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Volume 97 Number 0016 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

RE: Late Model Diesels
Re: Late Model Diesels
Re: Automatic Transmission ?
RE: Automatic Transmission ?
Automatic Transmission ?
Splitting into groups?
axel seal on 91 explorer -Reply
Re: Automatic Transmission ? -Reply
wiring diagrams, shop manuals
> Splitting into groups? -Reply
wiring diagrams, shop manuals -Reply
Re: Stainless steel bed rail protectors
Update on Ford/Navistar list members.
Original Paint for 47
Re: Splitting into groups?
Re: wiring diagrams, shop manuals -Reply
94 F-150 reply & crush sleeve ?
Re: Original Paint for 47
Repair help!!
Re: Original Paint for 47
Re: Update on Ford/Navistar list members.
Re: Splitting into groups?
Re: wiring diagrams, shop manuals -Reply
Re: 94 F-150 reply & crush sleeve ?
Growth, archiving, etc. Please read!!!!
New charter and website address
Re: Splitting into groups?
RE: Growth, archiving, etc. Please read!!!!
RE: Splitting
94 f150
Newer F250/F350 pulling to the right
Chunk gear compatibility
Newer F250/F350 pulling to the right - Reply
Re: Growth, archiving, etc. Please read!!!!
Re: Splitting into groups?
Re: Update on Ford/Navistar list members.
Re: Update on Ford/Navistar list members. -Reply
Re: Growth, archiving, etc. Please read!!!! -Reply
RE: Chunk gear compatibility
Re: Chunk gear compatibility
Re: Chunk gear compatibility
Re: Repair help!!
Re:Leave


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>From lsmeins ball.com Thu Mar 6 14:08:14 1997 From: lsmeins ball.com (Larry Smeins)
Subject: RE: Late Model Diesels
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

You didn't say how recent you were considering. The 6.9 is rather old and there are three 7.3 versions. The 7.3 came as a normally aspirated IDI, a turbocharged IDI, and the Powerstroke turbocharged DI. The Powerstroke is a totally new engine introduced in 94. The IDI diesels were good but not great engines, the Powerstroke is a great engine.

I tow a 4 horse trailer that weighs 4500 empty and horses go about 1200 each. My truck is a F-250 supercab 4x4 with 4.10 gears and automatic that weighs in at 6600 lbs. Towing my trailer, with one horse aboard, in the Colorado mountains I make 15 mpg and my speed is limited by how much I'm willing to throw the horse around in the curves, not power. I usually run about 60 mph. Considering that your van will weigh less than my truck and your trailer is considerably lighter, as well, you can probably get by with 3.50 gearing which will improve your mileage over mine. The Powerstroke will hardly know your trailer is in tow.

Do I sound like a happy diesel owner? You got it, I am. I'm glad I bought a Ford instead of the Dodge I looked at first.

Larry

If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.
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>To: FORDTRUCKS
>Subject: Late Model Diesels
>Date: Thursday, March 06, 1997 1:03PM


>Hi Everyone,

>I'm looking for opinions on the 6.9 and 7.3 ford diesels since I'm
>considering one in a van or possibly a pickup. What I'm hoping for is a tow
>vehicle which can handle a 4500 lb dual axle trailer and which gets better
>mileage than a 460. Another option is a 351W and I'm also wondering if that
>would be adequate. I live in Los Angeles and will be towing a trailer both
>east and north including over Tejon Pass which is usually pretty stressful
>on tow vehicles.

>Thanks for the help.

>Rob

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rwhitley amelia.sp.trw.com (Robert Whitley)



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>From rawbar fred.net Thu Mar 6 14:24:08 1997 From: Rick Ehardt
Subject: Re: Late Model Diesels
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Robert Whitley wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions on the 6.9 and 7.3 ford diesels since I'm
> considering one in a van or possibly a pickup. What I'm hoping for is a tow
> vehicle which can handle a 4500 lb dual axle trailer and which gets better
> mileage than a 460. Another option is a 351W and I'm also wondering if that
> would be adequate. I live in Los Angeles and will be towing a trailer both
> east and north including over Tejon Pass which is usually pretty stressful
> on tow vehicles.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Rob
>
> ===============================
> rwhitley amelia.sp.trw.com (Robert Whitley)
>
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i have owned an 85 F250 with a 6.9 diesel motor and upgraded to an 89 with a 7.3, both with manual trans and no turbo. there is a noticeable difference in power. the 7.3 is the better towing machine. as for milage, i got 20+ mpg with the 6.9 and about 18+ mpg with the 7.3, with no load and a light foot. the 6.9 had 245,000 miles and was going strong when i switched, never had trouble with the motor, did replace the injector pump at 110,000 miles. they have great torque but not the on-demand power of a 460. i tow a 5500 lb triple axle trailer carrying equipment up and down maryland mountians(probably a lot smaller than the ones out there) with no problem at all. the new powerstroke is really nice but i cant afford one. good luck.
rick
66 F750 dumptruck
67 IH p.u.220BD bigblock
78 F350 utility 400ci man 4spd
87 bronco 300ci 3spd
89 F250 7.3 man trans


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>From gypsybill usa.net Thu Mar 6 14:38:09 1997 From: "Bill Rotureau" Subject: Re: Automatic Transmission ?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Roy,

Sounds like you may have a problem in the valve body with the seals drying out and not wanting to move fluid thru until things heat up. I no expert (as this reply indicates) but I had a similiar problem with a C4.
I put a quality seal reconditioner in and it helped. I later had to rebuild the trans and found the valve body to badly varnished.

Good luck

Bill..


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>From Dan_Dusing-EENG01 email.mot.com Thu Mar 6 14:42:04 1997 From: Dan Dusing-EENG01 Subject: RE: Automatic Transmission ?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Roy:

Only the most obvious - which I am sure you have already checked, and that is the fluid level. It is best to check the trannt fluid when it is hot.
That means drivinf it for about 15 miles (preferably highyway) or so.

Dan
P.S. As for model number, it is probably a C-6 tranny ________________________________________________________ To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com INTERNET
From: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com INTERNET on Thu, Mar 6, 1997 2:00 PM Subject: Automatic Transmission ?

I have a 1988 F-150 with Automatic transmission. It does not have overdrive but I don't know the model number. I have had it about 2 years and it has had this *problem* all that time. When I first start it and engage the transmission it seems like it is slipping very bad. I can wait a few minutes and possibly shift thru the gears and it will be normal or just drive off and not notice the problem again until the next morning after sitting unused all night. I changed the fluid and filter but have done nothing else. Should I continue to ignore it or is something bad going to happen one of these times?

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome.

Roy


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>From Thu Mar 6 14:59:50 1997 From: "Richard M. Fulton" Subject: Splitting into groups?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Ken:

Has there been any thought of splitting the digest format of this group into
smaller groups? I am all for it. I would suggest that you split the
newsgroup into two groups 1) 1970's and earlier trucks and 2) 1980's and
newer. I am having a problem with my mail system getting all of the digest
version. The messages are too long. The standard version has too many
messages. Those that respond to this, do not reply and copy the whole
message, take some time and snip it.

Thanks,

Mick

HotRod 53 F-100


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>From payne platinum.com Thu Mar 6 15:30:30 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: axel seal on 91 explorer -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Is the bearing the type which rests instead the axle housing or the type which is fitted onto the axle itself?
If its in the housing, use the end of the axle to pry it off.
If its the other type, you would probably be better off paying someone the 30 bucks to do it for you as the tools and effort will run you that much. This is one of those one in a blue moon jobs that may not be worth it do do yourself. I paid someone 30 to replace the bearings on the axles of my 67 F100. Heck, my time to do it myself is worth more than that.

>>> Almus Kenter 03/06/97 11:55am >>>
The wife's 91 explorer failed inspection on account of the rear shoes being ruined. Apparently the axel seal on one side leaked. I plan on doing the repair this weekend and am looking for tips/encouragement. I have done brakes before so that doesn't phase me. I was a little worried about pulling out the old bearing and seal as the manual shows using a slide hammer with a funky little tool to grab the bearing. Is this necessary ?
can I just kludge something up? Thanks

-almus

91 explorer
87 F150


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>From payne platinum.com Thu Mar 6 15:35:36 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Automatic Transmission ? -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Sounds like an on target diagnosis to me. My C6 did the same, was really bad on cold days. This problem won't go away by itself, conditioner is just a temporary band-aide. It will get worse if you don't take care of it.

>>> "Bill Rotureau" 03/06/97 01:38pm >>> Roy,

Sounds like you may have a problem in the valve body with the seals drying out and not wanting to move fluid thru until things heat up. I no expert (as this reply indicates) but I had a similiar problem with a C4.
I put a quality seal reconditioner in and it helped. I later had to rebuild the trans and found the valve body to badly varnished.

Good luck

Bill..


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>From marko helix.net Thu Mar 6 15:39:14 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: wiring diagrams, shop manuals
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hey everyone,

First of all I've been at this thing a month (the newsgroup) and it has been great. To Jim in NY, thanks for all the carb tips, I will try to hook up a vacuum gauge this weekend if I have time, and solve the nagging Holley problem once and for all. I'm glad I could help Nick out with the ei and yes it is child's play.

Now, if only I could find me a rust free 68-72 for restoration....

Anyway, today's message is:

I've noticed that a lot of you are asking for wiring diagrams for older model trucks. Here's where to find them:

-For 73 and newer trucks, you can buy the Haynes manual (not Chilton) for your truck and they have reprinted factory diagrams there.

-For most ANY ford truck, including the much older ones, go to your local public
library. Here in Vancouver, BC the library has the Ford pu shop manuals dating
way back to the 40's, and these are the original shop manuals!!!
For a few cents in photocopying you can have whatever you want in terms of diagrams, specs,
and other info.

So don't forget the library in looking for tech information.


marko maryniak
marko helix.net
71 F250 4x4
vancouver, bc




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>From payne platinum.com Thu Mar 6 15:40:37 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Splitting into groups? -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Sorry, but splitting the groups won't solve your problem. The list server sends out 40k digest email chunks. Even if we split the group you'll still get 40k chunks. I'll ask Charlie with LOF if we can reduce the size. This may or may not be possible, I don't know if it will affect the other mailing lists hosted by LOF.

I'm waiting for us to average 2 digests per day before I split the group. That way everyone will get at least 1 per day regardless of which group they're in.




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>From payne platinum.com Thu Mar 6 16:15:36 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: wiring diagrams, shop manuals -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> marko maryniak 03/06/97 02:39pm >>> -snip-

>Now, if only I could find me a rust free 68-72 for restoration....
>

Don't you mean 67-72? The model started in 67. Or is there a reason to leave out 67? As a 67 owner I'm curious.





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>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Thu Mar 6 16:42:53 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Re: Stainless steel bed rail protectors
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>I'm looking for some of those stainless steel bed rail protectors (mount on
>top of fender?) for my 95 F150. Not the diamond plate ones, but the flat
>ones. I'm in Coastal California, too far to drive to LA or SF. Any
>suggetions for suppliers?
>
>Dave Lampert
>Arroyo Grande CA

Hi Dave,

PUTCO makes all kinds, including stainless. If I recall correctly they're out of Indiana somewhere. Pep Boys and Autozone are both distributors, and although they generally have nothing in stock, they can get anything they make.
Ask to see a catalog.

Regards,
Jon in Houston

P.S. And while we're on the subject, I am still looking for black steel diamond plate door threshold guards for my F-350. No aluminum, please!


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>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Thu Mar 6 17:15:09 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Update on Ford/Navistar list members.

To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi All,

I called my contact at Ford, and he does not seem willing to participate on the list. He expressed concern that there would be so much email that he would never be able to do his job properly.

But my contact at Navistar seemed very interested and is passing the information up the flagpole.

I haven't given up on Ford yet, I will try to call another contact.

Let's hope we can get some factory participation.

Regards,
Jon in Houston


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>From jhazewinkel EXODUS.VALPO.EDU Thu Mar 6 17:55:22 1997 From: Jeff Hazewinkel Subject: Original Paint for 47
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

As I continue to work on my 47 1 ton, I want to know what colors were offered in 47 and where I might get purchase something close to the original. I believe this truck was a dark green (even though someone else tried to make it red) or a dark blue. Is there a guide available to translate color codes ?

Jeff


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>From williame why.net Thu Mar 6 18:48:01 1997 From: william enox
Subject: Re: Splitting into groups?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

> Has there been any thought of splitting the digest format of this group into
> smaller groups?
I'm NOT in favor of it....I enjoy seeing post on everything. I can get ideas from any year.



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>From marko helix.net Thu Mar 6 19:06:33 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: wiring diagrams, shop manuals -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>>> marko maryniak 03/06/97 02:39pm >>>

>Don't you mean 67-72? The model started in 67. Or is there a
>reason to leave out 67? As a 67 owner I'm curious.
>

Yes, I do. Ideally I want a 67 Mercury!



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>From robert56 ix.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 19:23:14 1997 From: robert56 ix.netcom.com
Subject: 94 F-150 reply & crush sleeve ?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I made the same size tire swap on my '94 F-150 2wd regular cab two weeks ago.
The factory service manual lists the new conversion constant (w/31 x 10.50 tires)as 9.18 and the old constant (w/235/75 tires) as 9.72. The procedure for changing the constant is on page 13-01a-35 of the body chassis book.
Now that I have offered an opinion, let me ask for one. After making the tire swap, now the truck is a real dog. It came with 2.75:1 gears from the factory and I want to change to 3.27:1 or 3.55:1 cogs so that I can pull a boat. I plan to use my original diff. carrier, so I know that I don't need to re-shim the carrier - can I reuse the original crush sleeve and shims on the pinion? That should give me the original backlash settings without all the hassle. Thanks.

Robert Riffel



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>From MrsSlix66 msn.com Thu Mar 6 19:30:52 1997 From: "Jesse Marcellus" Subject: Re: Original Paint for 47
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I went digging around and managed to find the following info on exterior color codes:
M-1722 Vermillion
M-1724 Medium Luster Black
M-3949 Village Green
M-3981 Light Moonstone Grey
M-3987 Modern Blue
M-3990 Greenfield Green

Unfortunately, I don't know where you would find that info on your truck or even where you could find a sample of the colors. It figures that green would be offered in 2 different shades that year!

Good luck,
Kristen
1966 F100 Custom Cab


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>From phlatart artnet.net Thu Mar 6 21:06:32 1997 From: phlatart artnet.net
Subject: Repair help!!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Today I was in a car wreck with my 93 Ford Ranger Extra Cab and my pass.
door is smashed, under the vent window on the cab is smashed and part of the bed close to the cab is also smashed. Is it wise to have the repair guys replace the whole cab instead of fixing it? and does anybody know maybe what it will cost??? I never had to deal with something like this before and when I'm talking to the insurance company, I want to know that I'm in the same ball park figure that they're talking about.


Thanks for the help.

Tony




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>From mmiller dryden.net Thu Mar 6 22:48:37 1997 From: "Mitch Miller" Subject: Re: Original Paint for 47
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

"I want to know what colors were offered in 47"

Check in the engine compartment for a small aluminum plate that has the vehicle info. As far as I know, there was only fleet green and tacoma yellow trim. I am curious as to whether there was a red paint offered. I have seen some red ones.

Mac's Antique Automotive offers original paints. You could try them.
MAILMACS aol.com

Mitch Miller
mmiller dryden.net


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>From kpayne mindspring.com Thu Mar 6 23:22:40 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Update on Ford/Navistar list members.
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 05:15 PM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I called my contact at Ford, and he does not seem willing to participate
>on the list. He expressed concern that there would be so much email that
>he would never be able to do his job properly.
>
>But my contact at Navistar seemed very interested and is passing the
>information up the flagpole.
>
>I haven't given up on Ford yet, I will try to call another contact.
>
>Let's hope we can get some factory participation.
>
>Regards,
>Jon in Houston
>

I think that it would be a good thing for all parties concerned. Thats for the help. I'm also trying to search for participation. Maybe someone on the list knows an official Ford contact?




-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks



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>From kpayne mindspring.com Thu Mar 6 23:29:18 1997 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Splitting into groups?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 06:48 PM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> Has there been any thought of splitting the digest format of this group into
>> smaller groups?
>I'm NOT in favor of it....I enjoy seeing post on everything. I can get
>ideas from any year.
>

What's everyone's opinion on this? I don't want to start a debate on this.
Please send me private email to me work email address (payne platinum.com) with your opinion. I'll be honest and fair with this issue.

Should we split the list into two seperate lists? Specifically, pre-1980 trucks and 1980+ trucks?

I'm going to stay out of this one, it's up to the group.


-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~fordtrucks



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