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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:44:16 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest From: digest-proc Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0014 Reply-To: FORDTRUCKS Volume 97 Number 0014 fordtrucks Digest Today's Topics: Re: Ballast resistor Duraspark Ignition Conversion Update. F6 wheels F6 wheels -Reply Thanks for info on 370 gas motor... Auxiliary PCM for Ford/T444E (Powerstroke Diesel) Ballast Resistor 41 Ford 3/4 ton Website and List Update List info specifically for AOL users '47 Panel Delivery Truck Re: '47 Panel Delivery Truck RE: Electronic Ignition for FE Series? thickness of metal floor in bed Re: thickness of metal floor in bed '90 351W Erratic Idle Re: thickness of metal floor in bed 94 f150 Re: '90 351W Erratic Idle Re: '90 351W Erratic Idle Re: thickness of metal floor in bed Re: thickness of metal floor in bed Re: Duraspark Ignition Conversion Update. Re: Duraspark Ignition Conversion Update. 94 f150 -Reply * PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE DIGEST IN REPLIES TO THE LIST! * -------------------------------------------------- >From nfinney To: FORDTRUCKS Roger Meier wrote: > > All fords built since 1939 or so that have a breaker point non electronic ignition have a ballast resistor, or did when they were new anyway. Why? > Okay. I figured out that my truck does have a ballast resistor. I was looking for a ceramic type of resistor - my truck uses a special length of special wire for the ballast resistor. Voltage at the "BATT" terminal on the coil while running is approx. 8 volts. Is the purpose of having a two pin type starter solenoid (it has an I and an S terminal) to feed 12 volts to the S terminal (thus bypasssing the ballast) when the solenoid is energized? This would provide 12 volts to the "BATT" terminal on the coil while cranking and 8 while running. -- Nick Finney nfinney First On Race Day! ------------------------------ >From nfinney To: FORDTRUCKS Well everything seemed to go as planned, I am now using a Ford Duraspark I electronic ignition system on my 69 F100 with a FE 390. I pulled my points type distributor out this morning and swaped in a new electronic distributor from a 76 Ford F-100 with a 390, I mounted the module on the driver's side fender. I got the connectors/wiring from a 78 Pinto and the coil from a late 70's big Ford Something (couldn't really tell what it was :-). I paid $32 for the distributor, $21 for the module, and 18.50 for the coil and wiring. I am using a custom wire set for a 84 F-150 with a 460 (it was cheap and in stock), it fits good too. I got the lower base, cap and rotor for the large spacing Duraspark type cap - it fit with almost no problems, I had to slightly bend my steel fuel pump to carb line. It was easy, the wiring necessary to get this to work is childs' play. I can't believe it was this easy.The hardest part was trying to get my hands clean coming home from the junk yard. If you get a coil bring a DMM with you to the junk yard and check the primary,secondary coil resistance. Next upgrade is a MSD 6T and a better coil. -- Nick Finney nfinney First On Race Day! ------------------------------ >From mnatco From: Mick Natco To: FORDTRUCKS Hi all, I'm new here, I've got a '51 F6 dump truck with original 2 piece rims, and am having extreme difficulty finding something safe to replace them with. Any suggestions? Please help, my wife won't let me drive it till I replace those wheels, and I love my truck! Thanks Mick Natco Mick Natco mnatco voice 216-834-4757 fax 216-834-0370 ------------------------------ >From payne Subject: F6 wheels -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS Go to our web page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~kpayne/ford and following the suppliers link. Members have submitted quite a few Ford Truck suppliers, most of them vintage. I've had very good luck with some of them, no bad luck with any (so far, haven't tried them all). >>> Mick Natco 03/03/97 07:18am >>> Hi all, I'm new here, I've got a '51 F6 dump truck with original 2 piece rims, and am having extreme difficulty finding something safe to replace them with. Any suggestions? Please help, my wife won't let me drive it till I replace those wheels, and I love my truck! Thanks Mick Natco Mick Natco mnatco voice 216-834-4757 fax 216-834-0370 ------------------------------ ------------------------------ >From JLINETT Subject: Thanks for info on 370 gas motor... To: FORDTRUCKS Thank you Jim Hurd and Bob Wise for the info. I am glad to have such knowlegeable folks on this list. You are a great resource. >From ads in the "Big Truck Trader" (Auto Trader group) I gather that the 370 was used until fairly recently, and perhaps even to this day. I will try to contact the Ford rep I know in the next few days to let him know about this list. Regards, Jon in Houston ------------------------------ >From JLINETT Subject: Auxiliary PCM for Ford/T444E (Powerstroke Diesel) To: FORDTRUCKS Hi All, After 9 months of agony I am finally the proud father of an APCM (Auxiliary Powertrain Control Module) for my '96 Ford F-350/T444E. This is an in-cab accessory which allows control of engine rpm for use with PTOs, for keeping the engine warm during cold-climate idling, etc. It also has a digital tachometer which is operable during normal driving. The box itself is about 4 x 6 inches, black plastic, with a one-inch tall LCD display. The installation kit was well thought-out and makes use of two existing trim screws and a new angle brace to an existing instrument panel strut. The result is very sturdy and attractive, behind and to the right of the shift lever, and under the trim piece that contains the ash tray. It is manufactured by Sturdy Corp., in North Carolina, but the instructions that come with it are from FoMoCo and are dated 1995. When power is switched off to the box, only the Power and Ford buttons are lit. When power is switched on, all buttons and the display are lit. The same dull-green glow is used for illumination, regardless of the position of the headlights/interior lights. I thought it would be hard to see at night, but we went out for some Texas barbeque last night, and it was very visilble, yet subdued enough not to be distracting in the least. Someone was thinking when they put that package together. There are several modes of operation, but after reading the instructions six or seven times (and I am a computer programmer, by trade) I am fairly certain I still don't fully understand the product. The ones I can figure out are: * A four-memory engine RPM control. You can program each memory with an engine speed between 1300 and 2500 rpm, and also a "ramp up rate" which indicates how quickly the throttle should be opened to get to that speed. The factory defaults are 1300, 1700, 2100, and 2500 rpm. Oddly, they are not programmed in ascending order in the memories. * A charge protection mode, which sounds like just the ticket for use with winches, *big* transceivers, compressors, etc. This provides a display of voltage while the engine is kept between 1300 and 1747 rpm to keep up with current demand of accessories. * Fixed, elevated idle. (Ambulances, etc., I reckon.) Most of the features can be programmed as either on demand (push a button) or "power up" which really means while the emergency brake is on, clutch engaged (or Park for auto trannies), etc., etc. Some trivia I've noted in the two days since I've had the APC kit: * The idle, which we have observed to be eerily regular, really is. It normally doesn't vary more than 6 rpm after warmup. Most of the time it is right on 650 and bounces around only 1 or 2 rpm. * When the A/C is switched on, rpms drop from idle by 20, and then climb in one rpm increments until 650 is attained again. * The tach in the instrument panel in my truck is right on the money at 650 rpm, it's 1000 rpm low at 1500, and within 20 rpm again at 2000. Haven't had time to check the calibration at any other points. Some notes on the installation: * A couple of 7/16" wrenches and a philips screwdriver that really fits the screws are the only tools required. The box mounts to the main bracket, but the screws are self-tapping and the case is fairly hard. The screwdriver will cam out of the screws unless it fits perfectly. I had to try 4 different ones before I got the right one. * The instructions say to mount everything (install it) and then run through the checkout functions. Not! I plugged mine in and ran through everything before installing it. The cable is plenty long enough to sit the box on the seat, or to mount it elsewhere in case you might have used the appointed space already. * If you don't have cruise control, things are a little more complicated (according to the instructions). There are evidently several mod-levels, depending on year ('95 and up only) transmission, and even F-150/250/350 vs. Super Duty, etc. Make sure you get the right one. I am guessing mine came on a '97 F350 or Super Duty, but it seems to work fine on my '96. * Although the programming may take a while until you get it set up the way you want, the physical installation is about 20 minutes worth, and would be faster if you weren't required to go into wierd contortions trying to get under the dash on a truck that sits so high. Save yourself some agony and make sure you find the truck-side connector before you do anything else. There are so many connectors, it is just incredible under there. The one you want is black and round, kind of like a DIN microphone jack. Once you get it on, it's very hard to disconnect because it doesn't hang down very far beneath the dash board. But that's ok, because you don't really need to disconnect it to complete the installation. I just made a couple of loops and zip-tied it in place, then connected to the box. Without going into the bloody details, (as a random act of kindness for the benefit of those who may know of my herculean efforts to obtain this part) I will just say that the APC kit from the Ford parts counter is right around $875, but is $199 when ordered with a truck. Since hardly any one knows the part is available from Ford, no one is ordering it on new trucks, at least none of the thirty dealers I called... After much time and effort, the dealer ordered one on another new truck and sold it to me as a take-off for their cost ($169). Nevertheless, they did assure me that they will never go through this again, for anyone, at any price. Regards, Jon in Houston P.S. I am posting this to the cummins list also. ------------------------------ >From rmeier Subject: Ballast Resistor To: FORDTRUCKS >Is the purpose of having a two pin type starter solenoid (it has an I >and an S terminal) to feed 12 volts to the S terminal (thus >bypasssing >the ballast) when the solenoid is energized? > >This would provide 12 volts to the "BATT" terminal on the coil while >cranking and 8 while running. >Nick Finney Nick, Bingo. Roger Meier ------------------------------ >From rmeier Subject: 41 Ford 3/4 ton To: FORDTRUCKS >If anyone can tell me what colors the >block, and other components (spark plug harness, oilbath, etc.) >should be or direct me to a web site that could help I would >appreciate it. >Thanks, Devan Fort jonarc Devan, A fellow flatheader up in Oklahoma (Ed Mulligan) has a page where you might find some information. Try visiting "www.fullnet.net/user/mulligan/fmain.htm". If you talk to him, tell him I sent you. If you find out what the colors should be please post it to the list, others of us would like to know. Regards, Roger Meier ------------------------------ >From kpayne To: FORDTRUCKS New to website as of March 3rd, 9:30 p.m. ---> 1. Thumb-nails added to pictorial. Some corrections made and pictures added/changed. Let me know what you think of the new background with the Ford blue stripe on the left. Check out the 46 Ford, it belongs to a list member. If you want to show off your ride send me a picture, year model does not matter. 2. Feb. 16-28 archive is on-line. I'm working on Feb 1-15 right now. 3. Music gone from supplier page, got bothersome after 5 billion times! 4. Update made to for sale/wanted page. 5. I'm posting messages about this list on several newsgroups and I've registered the site with several search engines. In addition the list has been registered with several list finding sevices. I'm hoping to add more members with newer trucks to the list by doing this. 6. After 3 weeks of operation with L.O.F. Communications as our list server we have almost 150 subscribers! Growth is no longer 10 per day like it was during the first week. The list is averaging 2-3 new members each day. Sorry the thumb-nails and archive took so long. -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~kpayne/ford ------------------------------ >From kpayne When mail "bounces" back to the list server the email address that bounced is removed from the list. Due to an AOL limitation of 100 unread messages users subscribed to the non-digest version of the list could lose their subscription if they do not check mail for several days. Currently the list generates 10-30 messages a day. If you are an AOL user and you check your mail infrequently it would be a good thing to switch over to digest format to prevent you from having to re-subscribe if you get "bumped off." I was unaware of this problem until a list member brought it to my attention. -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~kpayne/ford ------------------------------ >From mmiller To: FORDTRUCKS I found the serial number, (I think). 21C 5132 What does it tell me? I am reassembling the rear diff after swapping a right shaft from another parts axle. How tight should I torque the differential assembly? It seems like the nuts were squashed a little and they look like they could work free, given enough time. Mitch Miller mmiller Dryden, Ontario ------------------------------ >From nfinney To: FORDTRUCKS Mitch Miller wrote: > > I found the serial number, (I think). > 21C > 5132 > What does it tell me? > > I am reassembling the rear diff after swapping a right shaft from another > parts axle. How tight should I torque the differential assembly? It seems > like the nuts were squashed a little and they look like they could work > free, given enough time. > Do you mean the bolts that bolt the ring gear to the diff? If so torque to 65 - 80 foot pounds and use some type of threadlock (Loctite Red) compound. -- Nick Finney nfinney 69 F100 FE First On Race Day! ------------------------------ >From bigric To: FORDTRUCKS > > > I am trying to locate any an electronic distributor for the FE. Do y'all have any sources that you can recommend? How reliable are these distributors? I had a time finding an electronic distributor for my 360. MSD makes a fancy distributor for the FE series that costs around $260 plus a $150 ignition module. Mallory also makes a Unilite distributor with the module built into the distributor. I opted for the Mallory unit, which ran me $210 for the vacuum advance version. I also used the Accel Supercoil, although I may swap in an MSD Blaster 2. This setup works great for me! bigric '68 Ford F100 Custom Cab Stepside 360 '66 VW Beetle 1300 bigric ------------------------------ >From payne Subject: thickness of metal floor in bed To: FORDTRUCKS Does anyone know what the thickness of the metal floor in a bed is? Specifically, a 1967 long bed, but any year will do. The reason I'm asking is that I saw an ad in JC Whitney (please no flames!) that had replacement panels for the bed. The panels fit in as original and are 18-20 guage. Is this thick enough? ------------------------------ >From marko Subject: Re: thickness of metal floor in bed To: FORDTRUCKS >Does anyone know what the thickness of the metal >floor in a bed is? Specifically, a 1967 long bed, but >any year will do. The reason I'm asking is that I saw >an ad in JC Whitney (please no flames!) that had >replacement panels for the bed. The panels fit in >as original and are 18-20 guage. Is this thick enough? > > For carrying feathers!!! marko 71 f250 ------------------------------ >From pieman Subject: '90 351W Erratic Idle To: FORDTRUCKS Does anyone know what would cause an erratic idle in my 1990 F250 4x4 351W EFI. Whenever the engine is at operating temperature with the defroster or bilevel on, when slowing to a stop the engine rpms will drop to 450 or 500. This seems to happen when the air conditioner compressor kicks on. This does not happen when set to heater mode. Would you also know what might be the remedy for this? Thanks Bill ------------------------------ >From kpayne At 06:30 PM 3/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Does anyone know what the thickness of the metal >>floor in a bed is? Specifically, a 1967 long bed, but >>any year will do. The reason I'm asking is that I saw >>an ad in JC Whitney (please no flames!) that had >>replacement panels for the bed. The panels fit in >>as original and are 18-20 guage. Is this thick enough? >> >> > For carrying feathers!!! > > > >marko > >71 f250 > That's what I thought. No wonder they were so cheap. The one time I thought I found something decent in their catalog I get disappointed. Do you have a guesstimate on how thick it should be? I couldn't tell 10 from 20 as steel thickness is not something I measure often. My wife works with steel cabinets building electronic controls, she guesses 14 would be around right. Me? I haven't the slightest.... -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~kpayne/ford ------------------------------ >From nli10967 Subject: 94 f150 To: FORDTRUCKS I have a 2wd 94 f150 supercab w/ a 300 and man 5sp I recently replaced my 235/75 tires w/ 31" In gathering info and talking to the ford service department, they told me that changing axle ratios was illegal in CA. My current ratio is 3.08. If I were to attempt a ring & pinion swap with the help of a much more knowledgable friend, how do I determine the optimal ratio with my new tires? Another question I have is w/ the speedo. If it has changed considerably, and does it affect the inputs to the computer? (I'm getting way out of my league here!) how do I correct it? I believe it runs off a sensor in the rear ABS system. Truck usage is mostly highway and light hauling (in bed). in the future I might pull a small trailer. Nathan L. Iven 321 E. Inger Dr #40 Santa Maria, CA 93454 805-348-1986 nli ------------------------------ >From kpayne To: FORDTRUCKS At 06:54 PM 3/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know what would cause an erratic idle in my 1990 F250 4x4 >351W EFI. Whenever the engine is at operating temperature with the >defroster or bilevel on, when slowing to a stop the engine rpms will >drop to 450 or 500. This seems to happen when the air conditioner >compressor kicks on. This does not happen when set to heater mode. > >Would you also know what might be the remedy for this? > >Thanks > >Bill Are you getting a code #? -Ken Payne 1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8 List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions. Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page (unsubscribe form is there): http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~kpayne/ford ------------------------------ >From tpuig Subject: Re: '90 351W Erratic Idle To: FORDTRUCKS bill wrote: > > Does anyone know what would cause an erratic idle in my 1990 F250 4x4 > 351W EFI. Whenever the engine is at operating temperature with the > defroster or bilevel on, when slowing to a stop the engine rpms will > drop to 450 or 500. This seems to happen when the air conditioner > compressor kicks on. This does not happen when set to heater mode. > > Would you also know what might be the remedy for this? > > Thanks > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ > To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks > For help send a message with "HELP" in the body to:list-request > Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne Same thing for me... Bill, did you happen to unhook the battery before this happens? I have a '90 Bronco 351EFI. I used the battery for moving another of my cars for about an hour. Put the battery back and I started it the next morning. It wiped out the settings on the computer, and the engine died about 5+ times in a row. Every morning thereafter, it seemed to remember the bad running and repeated the process. I called a knowedgeable mechanic friend and he said it takes about 5 minutes of running time to get the computer back to normal. I unhooked the battery and tried it again once it was warmed up. It's better now on cold starts, but still not as good as before. Anybody know the next step short of bringing it in to the shop? ------------------------------ >From silent.bob To: FORDTRUCKS On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:42:10 -0500 (EST) Ken Payne writes: >That's what I thought. No wonder they were so cheap. The >one time I thought I found something decent in their catalog >I get disappointed. Do you have a guesstimate on how thick >it should be? I couldn't tell 10 from 20 as steel thickness >is not something I measure often. My wife works with steel >cabinets building electronic controls, she guesses 14 would be >around right. Me? I haven't the slightest.... > > I work in a sheet metal shop working a Strippit turret press punch 20 would be way to thin, 18 is stronger, but not the best 16 is just the right size. 14 would be best, but a little one the heavy side. 10 if your truck is an army tank. silent.bob ------------------------------ >From silent.bob To: FORDTRUCKS 18 ga. seems closer to it. 20 would work, but its really not that strong. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:27:16 -0500 (EST) Ken Payne writes: >Does anyone know what the thickness of the metal >floor in a bed is? Specifically, a 1967 long bed, but >any year will do. The reason I'm asking is that I saw >an ad in JC Whitney (please no flames!) that had >replacement panels for the bed. The panels fit in >as original and are 18-20 guage. Is this thick enough? > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks >For help send a message with "HELP" in the body >to:list-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > > ------------------------------ >From marko Subject: Re: Duraspark Ignition Conversion Update. To: FORDTRUCKS >Well everything seemed to go as planned, I am now using a Ford Duraspark >I electronic ignition system on my 69 F100 with a FE 390. I pulled my >points type distributor out this morning and swaped in a new electronic >distributor from a 76 Ford F-100 with a 390, I mounted the module on the >driver's side fender. I got the connectors/wiring from a 78 Pinto and >the coil from a late 70's big Ford Something (couldn't really tell what >it was :-). > >I paid $32 for the distributor, $21 for the module, and 18.50 for the >coil and wiring. >I am using a custom wire set for a 84 F-150 with a 460 (it was cheap and >in stock), it fits good too. I got the lower base, cap and rotor for the >large spacing Duraspark type cap - it fit with almost no problems, I had >to slightly bend my steel fuel pump to carb line. > >It was easy, the wiring necessary to get this to work is childs' play. I >can't believe it was this easy.The hardest part was trying to get my >hands clean coming home from the junk yard. > >If you get a coil bring a DMM with you to the junk yard and check the >primary,secondary coil resistance. > >Next upgrade is a MSD 6T and a better coil. >-- >Nick Finney >nfinney > >First On Race Day! > >____________________________________________________________________ >Message distributed via http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lofcom.com/ >To send mail to fordtrucks, use the address: fordtrucks >For help send a message with "HELP" in the body to:list-request >Comments and suggestions are welcome, use: kpayne > Right on, Nick!! Cheapest performance improvement you'll ever make!! marko maryniak 71 f250 4x4 ------------------------------ >From nfinney To: FORDTRUCKS marko maryniak wrote: > Right on, Nick!! > > Cheapest performance improvement you'll ever make!! > > marko maryniak > 71 f250 4x4 Thanks for all your help Marko, you saved me time and money. -- Nick Finney nfinney 69 F100 FE First On Race Day! ------------------------------ >From payne Subject: 94 f150 -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS What exactly are you looking for - acceleration? Milage? Or do you want it to stay roughly the way it is? Is the transmission a 4 speed w/overdrive? If the speedo calibration is something you'd rather not touch there are shops that handle this. If worse came to worse, you could cross the state line.... just kidding :> >>> "Nathan L. Iven" 03/04/97 06:43pm >>> I have a 2wd 94 f150 supercab w/ a 300 and man 5sp I recently replaced my 235/75 tires w/ 31" In gathering info and talking to the ford service department, they told me that changing axle ratios was illegal in CA..... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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