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Volume 97 Number 0012 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: looking for stuff
Re: Question on 370 truck motor.
Re: Ford reps
Re: looking for stuff
Re: looking for stuff
Re: looking for stuff
Re: looking for stuff
Re: FOMOCO Reps? -Reply
Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
Re: FE and motor sizes
Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
FUEL ECONOMY
Re: FUEL ECONOMY
Re: FE and motor sizes -Reply
Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
Re: looking for stuff
Ignition ballast resistor
Original or easy ride
Re: FUEL ECONOMY
Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply -Reply
Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply -Reply
Re: 46 pickup?
Re: Original or easy ride


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>From marko helix.net Fri Feb 28 13:09:04 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: looking for stuff
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Here is a comparison of the Holly #0-6916 and the #0-80453:
>
>Carb Part No. #0-6919 #0-80453
> Model No. 4160 4160
> CFM 600 600
> Mains #62 #63
> Secondaries #69 #69
> Power Valve 125-206 125-208
> 1st stage 12.5"Hg 10.5"Hg
> 2nd stage 5.5"Hg 5.5"Hg
> Pump nozzle size .031" .031"
> Secondaries Vacuum Vacuum
> Spring color black black
> Venturi size
> Primary 1 1/4" 1 1/4"
> Secondary 1 5/16" 1 5/16"
> Throttle bore
> Primary 1-9/16" 1-9/16"
> Secondary 1-9/16" 1-9/16"
> Fuel Feed Single Single
> Floats hung Side Side
>
>The two carbs seem *very* similar. The 6919 is one jet size
>leaner on the primary, and opens the 1st stage of the power
>valve quite early (12.5"Hg). That could impact fuel mileage,
>especially in a heavier vehicle or one with tall gears.

Aha!! My truck has an rv cam, so it all makes perfect sense. The rv carburetor opens the 2daries earlier to supply pulling power. Also, since the rv cam tends to reduce vacuum at idle, that would delay the throttle opening a bit.

btw, I have a slight problem with the carb at temps between 32 and about 40.
As u know, it's quite damp here in vancouver, so the carb tends to idle rough until it warms up fully (icing). The choke has been reset and the fast idle fixed up some, which sort of cures the problem, but I'm wondering if a heated 4bbl spacer is the trick. I have an open air cleaner, and ideally the stock a/c with a manifold intake valve would be the answer, but in the absence thereof, is there anything else I can do?

Would running methyl hydrate (gasline antifreeze) help to cure this problem?



marko in vancouver

71 F2504x4


>Jim in Central NY
>'79 F-150 (302!)
>'92 Topaz (3.0l)
>
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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Fri Feb 28 13:18:06 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: Question on 370 truck motor.
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Jon,
My '79 Truck Shop Manual lists the 370 CID and the 429 CID together. It refers to them as "Lima" engines with the same basic design and structure.
The 370 was available with either a two-barrel or four-barrel carburetor.
The 429 was only available with a four-barrel carb (4180).

The 370 has a 4.05" bore and a 3.59" stroke. The 429 is 4.36" X 3.59" Here is the manuals description of these engines:

"The cylinder block of these engines is gray iron with
extended cylinder barrels. The crankshaft has five main
bearings and is cast-nodular iron on the 2-V engines and
is forged steel on the 4-V engines. The pistons on these
engines are aluminum alloy tin plated and feature a cast-
iron top ring insert which is metalurgically bonded to the
aluminum."
"Induction hardened exhaust valve seats are employed
on the 370 2-V engines. All H.V. engines have hi-nickel
alloy exhaust valve seat inserts. All valve stems are
chrome plated. Sodium cooled exhaust valves are used on
the 4-V engines."

The manual indicates that these engines apply to the B-, F-, L-, and C-Series Trucks.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Fri Feb 28 13:31:18 1997 From: JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM
Subject: Re: Ford reps

To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>>> Nick Finney 02/27/97 10:19pm >>>
>Any one here know of an offical representative from Ford that would be
>interested in participating in this newsgroup?

Maybe. I'll give him a call and invite him, if I heareth no objections thereto.

Regards,
Jon in Houston


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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Fri Feb 28 13:32:17 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: looking for stuff
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Marko,
No, your rv cam doesn't open the secondaries earlier. That is controled by the secondary diaphram spring (black, in your carb.). But what your rv cam does is lower the vacuum a *little* at idle and lower rpm, (which may *delay* the opening of the secondaries) but more importantly it opens your power valve to early. It may run great, but it is also running rich and that can have a big impact on your mpg.

What is your vacuum in "Hg idle and what is your idle rpm?

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Fri Feb 28 14:07:10 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: looking for stuff
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Marko,
You are correct that a closed air cleaner with a pre-heater on it will help your cold driveability problem (and it will also help your mpg), but I think that you can improve the situation by checking/adjusting the vacuum brake. I don't know if your carb has the internal vacuum brake or an external pull-off. By trying different combinations of choke adjustment and vacuum brake, you should be able to dial that carb in for your local environment.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From marko helix.net Fri Feb 28 14:43:53 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: looking for stuff
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Marko,
> No, your rv cam doesn't open the secondaries earlier. That is controled
>by the secondary diaphram spring (black, in your carb.). But what your rv
>cam does is lower the vacuum a *little* at idle and lower rpm, (which may
>*delay* the opening of the secondaries) but more importantly it opens your
>power valve to early. It may run great, but it is also running rich and
>that can have a big impact on your mpg.
>

So, do you figure I should change the powervalve to correspond with the recommended one? Maybe I will try that....

> What is your vacuum in "Hg idle and what is your idle rpm?
>
>Jim in Central NY
>'79 F-150 (302!)
>'92 Topaz (3.0l)
>
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>From marko helix.net Fri Feb 28 14:50:59 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: looking for stuff
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Marko,
> No, your rv cam doesn't open the secondaries earlier. That is controled
>by the secondary diaphram spring (black, in your carb.). But what your rv
>cam does is lower the vacuum a *little* at idle and lower rpm, (which may
>*delay* the opening of the secondaries) but more importantly it opens your
>power valve to early. It may run great, but it is also running rich and
>that can have a big impact on your mpg.
>
> What is your vacuum in "Hg idle and what is your idle rpm?

Wow. Where were you when I was first trying to set the thing up! Anyway, as I said in my other mail, shd I switch the power valve, and change the jets to set it up as the carb recommended (0-8***)?

I will check vacuum next week, no time left today.

>
>Jim in Central NY
>'79 F-150 (302!)
>'92 Topaz (3.0l)
>
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>From nfinney earthlink.net Fri Feb 28 15:14:13 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: FOMOCO Reps? -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Erickson wrote:
>
> Ken, Nick, et al,
>
> > No, but that certainly would be interesting. It would be nice to get
> > feedback from them about the directions Ford is taking with their
> > Fxxx & Exxx series. Would also be nice if we could give them
> > input.
> >
> > If everyone is ok with this I'll pursue the matter.
>
> Fantastic idea, guys!....maybe they'll have someone who's familiar with the
> "older ones" whose brain(s) we can pick, too...
> ;-)
>
> Eric
>

I have actually been trying to find some Ford Rep's email address and see if we could get some input here, but I can't seem to locate it so I posted the idea here.


--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net

"Ya see its not the speed that kills son its the sudden stop"


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Fri Feb 28 15:19:01 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

jayvanv teleport.com wrote:

> 2 piece distributor caps? I have a 76 390 and it has the plain old single
> cap. Care to elaborate a little?


The two piece cap has a lot of space between the terminals, this helps to prevent crossfire etc... that can occur with a high energy ignition system. They are easy to locate (It's a stock replacement part).

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Fri Feb 28 15:26:37 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

marko maryniak wrote:
>
> >If you want a Ford electronic distributor for the FE motor just run down to
> the local discount parts house or salvage yard. You will be looking for a
> distributor from a Ford truck 1975 or later with a 360 or 390. While you
> are there buy the Ford ignition module it will plug right in. Also in an
> effort to minimize misfiring the later models used the two piece distributor
> cap. If you don't have a service manual I can probably dig up a wiring
> schematic for the input wires.
>

Hey THANKS! I really appreciate the info. I can actually aquire OEM Ford parts at a wholesale price (heh heh heh) so I shouldn't be paying too much for the ignition module.
I wasn't aware that Ford was still putting the FE into trucks when they started using elctronic ignition. I would actually prefer to use the Ford vs. the Aftermarket anyway.


--
Nick Finney
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First On Race Day!


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Fri Feb 28 15:28:05 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition for FE Series?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

marko maryniak wrote:
>
> Something else I forgot to mention:
>
> 1. No, I don't work for Wal-mart
>
> 2. Motor oil is dirt cheap there, 75cents cdn per quart.
>
> 3. If the distributor you pull out already has the spacer and flat cap,
> then of course buy the flat cap and the appropriate wires. Chances are it
> won't, tho.
>
> Do you have a fax number? If so email it to me at marko helix.net and I can
> fax you the manual's wiring diagram plus a handwritten one with color codes,
> next week.

Sorry No Fax, But don't worry I can locate the EWD in the later factory service manual.


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Nick Finney
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"Ya see its not the speed that kills son its the sudden stop"


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>From JKruse007 aol.com Fri Feb 28 16:47:27 1997 From: JKruse007 aol.com
Subject: Re: FE and motor sizes
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I have a 1977 F100 with a 300 6 cylinder with a three on the tree. I am averaging around 13 - 15 mpg. I don't know if this is the general average or not. I would like to know what the average is for the 300. I tried to findout my rear end gear ratio, but the code I have listed (47) is not list in the Chilton's manual for my year. I have no idea what the ratio is.

Any Info would be helpful!

John
'77 F100 300 six


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>From paul NeoSoft.COM Fri Feb 28 18:30:50 1997 From: Paul Hutmacher Subject: Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 12:26 AM 2/28/97 -0500, bigric mail.utexas.edu wrote:
>I got 10mpg from my '75 460 when I tuned it up. Had quite a few miles on
>it, too.

Not bad. I'm only getting 12 mpg from my '97 F-150 4x4 with the 5.4 liter engine. I got 15 on one tankful but that could have been a fluke. I'm hoping for something better after it breaks in a bit.

We run 460's on all of our delivery trucks and they get in the 8 to 9 range.


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Paul Hutmacher
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>From ggadwa worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 28 20:12:17 1997 From: Gary Gadwa Subject: FUEL ECONOMY
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

We've heard quite a bit about Fuel Economy and the 460; and I must agree with one writer Fuel Economy and the venerable 460 do not go together. The EFI 460 I had would squeak out 14 mpg if I drove religiously with a Vaccum Guage. Un-modified 1993 F-250 Supercab.
Otherwise 10 mpg is about it no matter whether loaded or unloaded.
So lets hear it for 351 EFI and Fuel Economy. Since I'm a fuel economy buff, I'd sure like to hear what others get and what they've done to enhance fuel economy.
My 1991 F-250 Supercab 351 EFI is highly modified with emphasis on H.P.gains as well as economy. Engine is just basically broke in at 10,000 miles and 17-19 mpg are common empty and 13 mpg with a 9 foot 10 inch Northland Camper loaded. My 351 doesn't have and never will have the Torque of the ol' 460 but its better than the 460 in the Horse Power department.

GARY GADWA
STANLEY, IDAHO




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>From cdkelly juno.com Fri Feb 28 20:33:01 1997 From: cdkelly juno.com
Subject: Re: FUEL ECONOMY
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

A bed cover hard or soft or a cap that does stand higher than the cab will improve economy, or if one of these cause incovenence then just the the tailgate down. Bug sheilds sun and moon visiors tend to decrease economy. I Have a ford ranger splash with a four cylinder and I gained about three miles a gallon with a hard tonneau cover but lost do to a bug shield and moonvisior. One without the other is not so bad but together they don't help economy as the air deflected by the deflector and hits the visior!
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:12:17 -0500 (EST) Gary Gadwa writes:
>We've heard quite a bit about Fuel Economy and the 460; and I
>must agree with one writer Fuel Economy and the venerable 460 do not
>go
>together. The EFI 460 I had would squeak out 14 mpg if I drove
>religiously with a Vaccum Guage. Un-modified 1993 F-250 Supercab.
>Otherwise 10 mpg is about it no matter whether loaded or unloaded.
> So lets hear it for 351 EFI and Fuel Economy. Since I'm a fuel
>
>economy buff, I'd sure like to hear what others get and what they've
>done to enhance fuel economy.
> My 1991 F-250 Supercab 351 EFI is highly modified with
>emphasis
>on H.P.gains as well as economy. Engine is just basically broke in at
>10,000 miles and 17-19 mpg are common empty and 13 mpg with a 9 foot
>10
>inch Northland Camper loaded. My 351 doesn't have and never will have
>
>the Torque of the ol' 460 but its better than the 460 in the Horse
>Power
>department.
>
>GARY GADWA
>STANLEY, IDAHO
>
>
>
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>From tyounger gulf.csc.UVic.CA Fri Feb 28 20:34:25 1997 From: Tom
Subject: Re: FE and motor sizes -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 11:22 PM 27/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Thoughts?
>
>Tom, is that what happens to you when you drink too much beer!!??
>


I count sick sheep, and have thoughts.

When I was looking for my current ride, I was just wondering if smaller engines were indeed more fuel efficient. The difference in weight between the various engines is negligable in my opinion, relative to the total weight of the truck, and someone told me that a 300 putting out X hp and a 351 putting out X hp, the 300 would run out of gas first, by a couple seconds. (In other words, a very small difference, but a difference in the way of the bigger engine).

Therefore the reason why the bigger engines suck more gas is because people have lead feet.

I just wanted to find out what was true.
___
TTTTT OO M M The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. |~~~|
T O O MM MM o o
T O O M M M Be young, have fun, *
T OO M M and drink lots of beer!!! `-'




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>From spowel4 ibm.net Fri Feb 28 21:08:05 1997 From: spowel4 ibm.net (steve)
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

In , on 02/28/97
at 09:52 AM, Ken Payne said:

>My 67 has one.

>>>> Nick Finney 02/27/97 10:24pm >>>
>Did Ford ever use a Ballast Resistor for the ignition system in their
>Trucks?

My '58 has one.


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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Fri Feb 28 21:59:11 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: looking for stuff
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Marko,
You won't be able to make the #0-6919 the same as the #0-80453 because of the idle feed restrictions and main metering restrictions which are drilled into the metering block or metering plate.

I would check the vacuum brake/choke to see if you can improve your cool air drivability problem and check the power valve. To check the power valve, hook up a vacuum gauge to the intake (below the throttle blades) and monitor the vacuum while you go about your normal driving style. As long as your typical driving conditions are above 12.5"Hg, your power valve won't open and up the fuel/air ratio. If your normal driving/light to moderate crusie vacuum is below 13"Hg, you may want to try another power valve.

For example, if your normal cruise vacuum, say at 50 MPH, is 10"Hg (this is going to be dependant on the weight of your vehicle, gearing, tire size, accesories, terrain, winds, grades, altitude, etc., etc.), you may want to try a #125-208 power valve, which opens below 10.5"Hg. When vacuum drops (as you really start to get into the throttle) below 5.5"Hg, the second stage of the power valve opens. The reason for a two stage power valve is to allow you to run a little on the lean side on the primaries, but under a light load, the first stage of the power valve kicks in and richens the mixture up a *little* bit.

Some guys put in a rumpty cam with their economy carb and wonder where the fuel mileage went. And then they complain about an off idle bog. Well, if their idle vacuum and just off idle vacuum (like when the distributer hasn't started to advance the timing yet) is lower than their power valve rating, the power valve is *open* and just pouring the fuel through the carb.

It is also a good idea to put a vacuum source on the power valve to be sure it has not ruptured, cause vacuum is what holds it closed.
Happy (economical) Trucking!

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From rmeier connect.net Fri Feb 28 22:38:07 1997 From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: Ignition ballast resistor
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>Did Ford ever use a Ballast Resistor for the ignition system in their
>Trucks?
>
>Nick Finney

Nick,
Almost all Fords used ballasts in the ignition system. In the early (back to 1940 at least) Fords, the resistor was mounted up under the dash on the inside of the firewall. There were a couple of years where the resistor was mounted on the coil (I think the 46-48 car was this way) and I think in 56 or so the resistor was inside the coil. In 57 they went to a resistance wire that was part of the wiring harness. Even my tractor (a 48 model) has one. These dates may be off because I do not have a chassis parts book for
Regards,
Roger



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>From rmeier connect.net Fri Feb 28 23:12:34 1997 From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: Original or easy ride
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>So are you telling me that it doesn't matter which grade of gas I use? And
>should I add lead-substitue to the gas to deal with lead-free gas? Or am I
>OK just tooling around town without heating her up enough to burn the
>valves?
>
>One more thing, should I be running with 180 thermostats instead of 160
>with a winter front?
>
Mitch,
The gasoline we used back in the late 40's was pretty low octane. Almost anything you buy now is probably better than that stuff. Lead additive is probably worthwhile for an F600 with sodium cooled valves in a 4V 292 engine and a dump bed on the back that has to work all day. But for what we are doing it is not needed. I rebuilt my 63 T-bird 390 back 10 years ago. That engine has about 80K miles with no sign of valve or valve guide wear. This is a Texas car with an AC and my wife is a serious leadfoot out on the interstate. All we have ever used is unleaded pump gas 92 octane or better with no additive. Also that lead tetraethyl additive is pretty nasty stuff.

The 8BA engine used thermostats, but the thermostat in the 59A was probably an aftermarket thing because it was just shoved up in the radiator hose. Your choice of temp is just that, your choice. Actually the only reason for the 160 thermostat was that ethylene glycol was expensive and most people used alcohol in the radiators to protect them from freezing. Alcohol boils at a lower temp then water or antifreeze so the 160 was needed in case you waited a little late in the spring to dump the alcohol and put in water. If your cooling system is in good shape you should be able to run 180 year round. In cold climates the heater in a 46 pickup (the original one anyway) will not keep the cab warm and comfortable no matter what thermostat you put in.
Regards,
Roger Meier



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>From pieman iwaynet.net Sat Mar 1 01:44:53 1997 From: bill
Subject: Re: FUEL ECONOMY
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 08:12 PM 2/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>We've heard quite a bit about Fuel Economy and the 460; and I
>must agree with one writer Fuel Economy and the venerable 460 do not go
>together. The EFI 460 I had would squeak out 14 mpg if I drove
>religiously with a Vaccum Guage. Un-modified 1993 F-250 Supercab.
>Otherwise 10 mpg is about it no matter whether loaded or unloaded.
> So lets hear it for 351 EFI and Fuel Economy. Since I'm a fuel
>economy buff, I'd sure like to hear what others get and what they've
>done to enhance fuel economy.
> My 1991 F-250 Supercab 351 EFI is highly modified with emphasis
>on H.P.gains as well as economy. Engine is just basically broke in at
>10,000 miles and 17-19 mpg are common empty and 13 mpg with a 9 foot 10
>inch Northland Camper loaded. My 351 doesn't have and never will have
>the Torque of the ol' 460 but its better than the 460 in the Horse Power
>department.
>
>GARY GADWA
>STANLEY, IDAHO
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>
>Gary,
I have a 1990 F250 4x4, 5 speed, HD, 351 EFI, which is stock, I am the second owner.
I bought the truck with 23.000 miles. It now has 83K. I have maintained the truck religiously.
The best mileage I have received was between 23K and 55K miles, which was 16mpg Highway &
13mpg city. At this time the mileage is only about 10mpg to 13mpg but will increase slightly
as the weather warms.

I would appreciate any sugestions that might increase this average mpg.

Bill Piendl
Dublin, Ohio



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>From pieman iwaynet.net Sat Mar 1 01:52:23 1997 From: bill
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I had heard that a ballast resistor was only necessary when a High induction starting system was used, such as by Chrysler Corporation cars.




At 09:08 PM 2/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In , on 02/28/97
> at 09:52 AM, Ken Payne said:
>
>>My 67 has one.
>
>>>>> Nick Finney 02/27/97 10:24pm >>>
>>Did Ford ever use a Ballast Resistor for the ignition system in their
>>Trucks?
>
>My '58 has one.
>
>
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>
>
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>From nfinney earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 02:08:38 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

bill wrote:
>
> I had heard that a ballast resistor was only necessary when a High induction
> starting system was used, such as by Chrysler Corporation cars.
>
> At 09:08 PM 2/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >In , on 02/28/97
> > at 09:52 AM, Ken Payne said:
> >
> >>My 67 has one.
> >


My 69 (points) doesn't have one (now?), the points seem to wear quickly (pitting etc..). I shouldn't need a ballast resistor when I switch to a full electronic system though.

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Nick Finney
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>From payne platinum.com Sat Mar 1 10:47:17 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I don't know about other systems, but with most Mallory ignitions you'll void the warranty if you don't use a ballast resister. In the words of a guy I know who's been building engines for 40 years: "she's got too much fire, put a ballast on her"



>>> Nick Finney 03/01/97 01:08am >>> bill wrote:
>
> I had heard that a ballast resistor was only necessary when a High induction
> starting system was used, such as by Chrysler Corporation cars.
>
> At 09:08 PM 2/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >In , on 02/28/97
> > at 09:52 AM, Ken Payne said:
> >
> >>My 67 has one.
> >


My 69 (points) doesn't have one (now?), the points seem to wear quickly (pitting etc..). I shouldn't need a ballast resistor when I switch to a full electronic system though.



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>From payne platinum.com Sat Mar 1 10:43:24 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Ballast Resistor -Reply -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I've been told that without the resister and electronic/breakerless system will burn up in a hurry. I've heard that damage to point can occur - but I don't know why. Must be needed, auto makers won't spend a nickle more than they have to.


>>> bill 03/01/97 12:52am >>> I had heard that a ballast resistor was only necessary when a High induction
starting system was used, such as by Chrysler Corporation cars.





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>From mmiller dryden.net Sat Mar 1 14:13:58 1997 From: "Mitch Miller" Subject: Re: 46 pickup?
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Andy:
"What is Mac's? Is it a parts vendor listed on the Ford Truck page?" Yes

You might also try George Moirs' Antique Auto Parts in Spruce Grove, Alberta. Beware that his prices are about 15% higher since the catalog is 10 years old.

or

You could try Special Interest Automotive in Oakville. They have an excellent Ford Parts man there and seem to be able to get most any Ford part. The number for Special Interest Cars in Oakville Ontario is 905-844-8063.....


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