Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:00:27 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Subject: fordtrucks Digest v97 n0009
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Volume 97 Number 0009 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
RE: My Project Ford Description
Re: My Project Ford Description
Runnin' Hot -Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
47 1 ton and 53 F600
TRUCK mpg
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
looking for stuff
RE: Runnin' Hot
Runnin' Hot
Re: looking for stuff
RE: Runnin' Hot
Re: looking for stuff
47 and 53 Trucks
Late model stuff
59A or 8BA - That is the question
Re: looking for stuff
Re: 59A or 8BA - That is the question
Raising My Ranger


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>From kulige vitro.bloomington.in.us Wed Feb 26 08:59:25 1997 From: "Erickson" Subject: Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hey Kevin,

You wrote:
> I've got a with a 460 and C6 transmission a new Holley
> 600CFM 4 barrel carb.
> I'm averaging about 10 mpg. Now... but what can I
> do to improve fuel economy?

I think your "Subj:" line above is boarderlining on one of those there "oxymorons" since 460 and fuel economy are in the same sentance!!!
;)


My 292 (rebuilt 30K miles ago) gets 14mpg on the highway......Your 10mpg doesn't sound that far off of mine especially considering your's is 1.6 times my engine displacement, and you've got plenty more miles on that engine, too!!!! ;)

I'm sorry that I don't have anything constructive for you, Kevin, I guess I am surprised to learn that you can get 10mpg with your current setup. A buddy of mine had a 454 stock setup in another vehicle, and he was lucky to get 8 mpg. (He kinda drove like an idiot off "the line" of each stop light, tho, and I'm sure his acceleration habits hurt him as well.)

Have a great day!

Eric

1961 F100 Pick'em up Truck




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Eric Kulig
erickson vitro.bloomington.in.us
"My everyday silver is plastic"
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>From rcollins micron.net Wed Feb 26 09:13:28 1997 From: Randy Collins Subject: RE: My Project Ford Description To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

When I referred to a stock 460, I was saying that I have a stock rebuilt = 460 in my garage that has around 2,000 miles on it. It was originally = purchased from one of the companies that "mass" rebuilds them. =20

400 HP is easy? Good, so I will be impressed when I am done. =20

The stock 460 doesn't impress me. =20


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From: Nick Finney[SMTP:nfinney earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 7:00 AM To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: My Project Ford Description

>>and finally=20
>>coax more performance out of the stock 460. It is my intention to end =

>>up with 460 that has approximately 400 HP.

What do you mean by stock 460???

If you go with an RV cam, port the the heads, get the timing right and get some headers and an aluminum intake 400 HP out of a 460 is cake.=20

REPLACE THE STOCK OIL PUMP DRIVESHAFT with a hardened one! Next door neighbor blew his on a 70 F-100 with a new 460 and lost oil pressure.=20

--=20
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net


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>From payne platinum.com Wed Feb 26 10:42:04 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Runnin' Hot -Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> Christopher E. Webb 02/25/97 07:51pm
>>>
-snip-

>after filling it back up, I get a lot of smell of coolant in the cab while
>unning, and the defroster vents on my dash are fogging up the
>windshield,
>even though all the air stuff is off.

Get the engine hot (not just warm), turn it off. Don't let it overheat though!!!! The fan should nearly lock in place and have a high resistance to turn. If not, the clutch needs replacing.

>I know I have a heater core leak--how easy is that to replace (it looks
>almost exactly like the picture of the heater core from a '78 Bronco with
>A/C that's in the Chilton's manual)? I've already replaced the thermostat.
>The radiator is one of those super-cooling systems that has one main
>radiator and what looks like 3 smaller ones mounted off of it.

3 smaller ones are probably:
oil cooler, tranny cooler and a/c radiator.

Sorry, can't help you with the rest.



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>From payne platinum.com Wed Feb 26 10:46:04 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

-snip-
>
>Stands for "FORD EDSEL", the FE was fords "new" V8 Big Block in the
>late
>50's early 60's. Don't know the exact year. Anyone know when
>production
>of the FE was stopped?

I don't know when production officially ended (ie, for factory replacement engines), but the last year I've heard of an FE being put into a vehicle is 1976.

>They common displacements were 352,360,390,406,427 and 428 ci,
>The 427
>side oiler in the Shelby Cobra was a FE Big Block (the casting was not
>the same as your average FE though).

In the Edsels they also had the 332 and 410. Some of the bigger trucks used the 361 and 391, I've yet to see one but I know that they were produced. I believe the 427 and 428 are also the only members to be externally balanced. The 427 also had heads with better flow characteristics. Finding 427 heads is a very **good** thing!
Actually, finding a 427 is getting pretty difficult these days... and boy do the junkyards know it!

Sorry for rambling.... but I really like FEs.






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>From rs6l+ andrew.cmu.edu Wed Feb 26 11:05:38 1997 From: Robert J Schreiner Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Excerpts from mail: 26-Feb-97 Re: Exhaust manifold remova.. by Ken Payne platinum.com
>
> >They common displacements were 352,360,390,406,427 and 428 ci,
> >The 427
> >side oiler in the Shelby Cobra was a FE Big Block (the casting was not
> >the same as your average FE though).
>
> In the Edsels they also had the 332 and 410. Some of the bigger
> trucks used the 361 and 391, I've yet to see one but I know that
> they were produced. I believe the 427 and 428 are also the only
> members to be externally balanced. The 427 also had heads with better
> flow characteristics. Finding 427 heads is a very **good** thing!
> Actually, finding a 427 is getting pretty difficult these days... and
> boy do the junkyards know it!
>
> Sorry for rambling.... but I really like FEs.
>
>

What about the 330 truck motor used in the mid 70's? was this a FE block?

Just curious.
RJ.


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>From wstreet garlic.com Wed Feb 26 11:20:58 1997 From: wstreet garlic.com (William Street) Subject: Re: 460 Fuel Economy?!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a 1978 F150 Ranger Lariat with a 460 and C6 transmission. I
> recently put a new Holley 600CFM 4 barrel carb on in place of the original
> Motorcraft unit. I'm averaging about 10 mpg. Now... I realize this is not
> Consumer Reports first choice for a fuel efficient vehicle, but what can I
> do to improve fuel economy (I don't know what rearend is in it), and what
> is the absolute best MPG that anyone out there has achieved? I could
> replace the 460 (123,000 mi with no rebuild) with a 300, but I've kind of
> gotten use to that "kick in the seat" from a big V8 :)
>
> Kevin
>
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Sounds pretty good to me. I put a 460 in my 78 4X4 F250 with an Edelbrock Performer manifold, RV cam, and a Holley 750. I get about 8 mpg if I keep it tuned. It does have that 'kick in the seat' however.

Bill


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>From mcat epix.net Wed Feb 26 12:30:19 1997 From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Ken The only exturnally balanced fe is the 428. 427s share cranks, rods, flywheels & frontbalancers with the rest of the fe`s 428 is the oddball because of the stroke.
Garry
--- On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:46:04 -0500 (EST) Ken Payne wrote:

>-snip-
>>
>>Stands for "FORD EDSEL", the FE was fords "new" V8 Big Block in the
>>late
>>50's early 60's. Don't know the exact year. Anyone know when
>>production
>>of the FE was stopped?
>
>I don't know when production officially ended (ie, for factory
>replacement engines), but the last year I've heard of an FE
>being put into a vehicle is 1976.
>
>>They common displacements were 352,360,390,406,427 and 428 ci,
>>The 427
>>side oiler in the Shelby Cobra was a FE Big Block (the casting was not
>>the same as your average FE though).
>
>In the Edsels they also had the 332 and 410. Some of the bigger
>trucks used the 361 and 391, I've yet to see one but I know that
>they were produced. I believe the 427 and 428 are also the only
>members to be externally balanced. The 427 also had heads with better
>flow characteristics. Finding 427 heads is a very **good** thing!
>Actually, finding a 427 is getting pretty difficult these days... and
>boy do the junkyards know it!
>
>Sorry for rambling.... but I really like FEs.
>
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________
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>
>

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 2/26/97 Time: 12:26:00 PM

427 Fe powered F-100 Wild by design
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>From jhazewinkel exodus.valpo.edu Wed Feb 26 12:59:08 1997 From: Jeff Hazewinkel Subject: 47 1 ton and 53 F600
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I am currently working on 2 trucks. The first is a 47 1 ton, the second being a 53 F600. I purchased the 47 because someone had started to restore the truck and placed a 239 flathead V8 in there. My intention was to put that engine in the 53 and work on the 47 later. When I moved the 47 home, I realized that the restoration was over half finished and decided to put my efforts to finishing that truck first. My question is this, is it better to put a 47 vintage engine in the 47 or to keep the flathead so the engines in both trucks could be identical?

I am currently talking with someone who has a complete 59 A/B V8 that needs to be rebuilt. He believes it may have been made sometime between 46 and 48. Does that sound correct ? Which should cost less to rebuild, a 48 to 53 flathead or the 59 A/B ?

Jeff


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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Wed Feb 26 13:07:42 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: TRUCK mpg
X-VMS-To: IN%"fordtrucks lofcom.com"
X-VMS-Cc: HURDJ
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Just for comparison with those big blocks, I have a '79 F-150 2wd Lariat that I ordered new and took delivery in Dec. 1978. It has a 4-speed/OD Clark transmission and a 2.75 traction-lok. It also carries a fiberglass cap, and weighs 4460# empty.

The changes I made that really helped the mpg were a switch to radial tires, removal of the engine fan, and installation of headers. There is mpg (and torque) to be found in recurving the distributor advance and getting the best power valve for your driving style. ( I currently run a two-stage power valve: 1st stage 10"Hg, 2nd stage 4"Hg)

Since the installation of an RV type cam (204/214 w/214 LSA) the milage has been: 1994 = 20.6 mpg
1995 = 20.6 mpg
1996 = 20.8 mpg
Because I live in the Central NY area (near the "Salt City") this truck sees limited service from December to March, but it does pull a boat about 500 miles per year. And calculating fuel mileage over a calander year evens out the variations from not being able to fill the tank to the exact same level from one tank full to the next. YMMV.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
P.S. And with my tall gears, there is no "kick"!` :-(


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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Wed Feb 26 13:44:00 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply X-VMS-To: IN%"FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com"
X-VMS-Cc: HURDJ
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

The 330 truck motor came in 330MD and 330HD and are (I believe) FT blocks.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From marko helix.net Wed Feb 26 15:27:28 1997 From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: looking for stuff
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Hi!!

I live in Vancouver, BC and have a stock turquoise 1971 F250 4x4 with a 360 and the heavy 3/4 sus.

I have put an rv cam in it, but am against headers as they may create heat problems in the engine compartment. I am also running a 6919 Holley (600 cfm) 4 barrel which gives it quite a bit of snot. Other than radial tires and a cd player in the glove compartment, the truck is stock.

Trouble is, the cab mounts are finished, as is the radiator support. I welded in replacement cab mounts (the aftermarket type) and they ripped out.

I need a nice, old (say 67 or 68) Ford or Mercury (the latter would be nice!) in decent shape, any old 2wd will do, from a nice warm place with no road salt (and therefore no rust). Mechanics don't matter but a 390 for a rebuild would be very nice too.

Please let me know if you got or know where I can get. Thanks, and if you need parts for this vintage (68-72) like interior, emblems, mirrors, etc etc there are tons up here, so email and I will return the favour. There are other vintages too so email me with your needs.

thanks!!!


marko maryniak
(marko helix.net)

ps to all you mileage writers (erickson et al) I get about 16 with my rv cam and and lead foot.

Somebody said something about removing the fan. You mean, put in a clutch fan, or a flex fan, or an electric fan, or no fan, or what? How much mpg will this really add?




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>From trainquilt nti.net Wed Feb 26 18:03:00 1997 From: Jean and Phillip Johnson Subject: RE: Runnin' Hot
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2408.0B22CE60

You're right it sounds like you have a heater core leak for sure. You = can unhook and plug your heater hoses if you're losing alot of coolant = in your cab. Of course you won't have a heater if you do. Does your = engine cool if you get your truck up to speed and get some air flowing = across your radiator? I've had clutched fans that I couldn't hear real = well when it kicked in. Has yours ever made a loud noise when it kicked = in before you noticed it overheating? You might also want to get your = radiator checked and see if it's partially clogged,....

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