Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:54:22 -0500 (EST) To: fordtrucks-digest lofcom.com
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Volume 97 Number 0008 fordtrucks Digest

Today's Topics:

Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
Re: Rebuilding a 351W
Re: Rebuilding a 351W
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply
FS: 1994 F250 Supercab 4X4 Power Stroke
> Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply
Re: My Project Ford Description
Re: My Project Ford Description
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply
Re: 71 F100 with a 460 -Reply Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply -Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor..
Re: 71 F100 with a 460 -Reply Reply -Reply
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor..
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply
Re: Flathead help
Runnin' Hot
RE: Flathead problems
Flathead starter
Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor..
My Dream.
460 Fuel Economy?!


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>From jayvanv teleport.com Tue Feb 25 11:44:35 1997 From: "jayvanv teleport.com" Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> 1. Soak the bolts longer
> 2. Drill them out, not fun, especially the one under the manifold outlet= at
> the back. Get out yee olde tap and die set and reseat and bolt hol= es
> that got damaged. This method takes some time but will work if all
> other attempts fail. Ask your auto parts store about heli-coils if
> it comes to this. =20
> 3. Heat the manifold and then dry ice the bolt. Sometimes works
> 4. Heat the manifold and then give it gobs of penetrating oil while
> its hot. This will sometimes help the oil to sink in.
> 5. Blow them out with a torch. Requires lots of skill, not a recommended
> procedure.
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> If you do take it to a shop, like a muffler shop, you're probably looking
> at 1-2 hours labor for the whole job. Not really too expensive, but
> I guess that depends on your circumstances - good luck.

I talked to a couple different shops and both said the 360-390 engines are notorious for breaking bolts in the head. They also said that I should get the manifolds resurfaced as well. I got a firm quote of $220 for the job, including machine work, gaskets, and labor. I think I'll cut and sell a couple cords of wood of my place and go that route. Probably alot less grief in the long run. =20

> >2nd question, I have a noisy heater motor that is obvioulsy has worn
> >bushings and is squeeky to the point of total irritation. The Haynes
> >manual I have does not address trucks equipped with the AC package. >Can= anyone tell me how and where the heater fan motor and cage is
> >located, and how to replace it?=20
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> Sorry, can't help on this.

Another person did, Thanks though!

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> >3rd question, From what I understand this motor runs hot. Pulling my 16'
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> Try large bladed aluminum fan. This will help. Also, if it doesn't have
> a shroud around the radiator, you're losing about 50% of your
> cooling capacity. A radiator shroud is the single best way to
> keep the engine cool. Another good thing is adding an electric fan to th= e
> outside of the radiator. This was added to my truck as I got very
> tired of pulling over in rush hour traffic with vapor lock or when I
> would go into a store on a hot day and come out and my truck
> wouldn't start for 30-60 mins when the engine cooled.

It has a large fan and shroud now. It does have a fan clutch though, I was thinking of removing that?? Would that help? would it be detrimental?=20

I'll consider an electric fan after I try a lower thermostat and any other "cheap" solution. I removed the AC since it really isn't needed that often here in Oregon, and to get rid of the condensor radiator in front of hte radiator, not to nmention the cost of getting it converted over to the "new" r134 AC coolant.=20

Thanks again!

=2E.Jay=20



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>From karlj waypt.com Tue Feb 25 12:08:02 1997 From: Karl Jacobsen
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a 351W
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To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 11:11 AM 2/25/97 -0500, Gregory Sherwin wrote:
> I am currently rebuilding a 351W. Does anyone know where I can
>get exploded diagrams of the engine that tell where all the extrenals
>go. Something similar to the books that the Ford parts department has
>would be nice.
>
>Greg
>84 F150 4X4 351W
>
Greg,
Motor's Manual, Chilton's, Haynes & Clymer manuals all have diagrams & pictures of the 351 engine. My local library has an excelent selection of the above manuals and also factory shop manuals. If I need information from the library manuals I just make copies of the pages of the manuals that I need for $.05 a page.
Good Luck

Karl Jacobsen ---}karlj waypt.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.waypt.com/~karlj/lightning.html 1994 F-150 Lightning #2724, White
15.01 E.T. - 91.09 mph and
1994 F-150 Lightning, #2030, Black


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>From karlj waypt.com Tue Feb 25 12:08:00 1997 From: Karl Jacobsen
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a 351W
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To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

At 11:11 AM 2/25/97 -0500, Gregory Sherwin wrote:
> I am currently rebuilding a 351W. Does anyone know where I can
>get exploded diagrams of the engine that tell where all the extrenals
>go. Something similar to the books that the Ford parts department has
>would be nice.
>
>Greg
>84 F150 4X4 351W
>
Greg,
Motor's Manual, Chilton's, Haynes & Clymer manuals all have diagrams & pictures of the 351 engine. My local library has an excelent selection of the above manuals and also factory shop manuals. If I need information from the library manuals I just make copies of the pages of the manuals that I need for $.05 a page.
Good Luck

Karl Jacobsen ---}karlj waypt.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.waypt.com/~karlj/lightning.html 1994 F-150 Lightning #2724, White
15.01 E.T. - 91.09 mph and
1994 F-150 Lightning, #2030, Black


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>From payne platinum.com Tue Feb 25 12:12:46 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> "jayvanv teleport.com" 02/25/97 10:44am
>>>

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>> outside of the radiator. This was added to my truck as I got very
>> tired of pulling over in rush hour traffic with vapor lock or when I
>> would go into a store on a hot day and come out and my truck
>> wouldn't start for 30-60 mins when the engine cooled.

>It has a large fan and shroud now. It does have a fan clutch though, I
>was
>thinking of removing that?? Would that help? would it be detrimental?
>
>I'll consider an electric fan after I try a lower thermostat and any other
>"cheap" solution. I removed the AC since it really isn't needed that often
>here in Oregon, and to get rid of the condensor radiator in front of hte
>radiator, not to nmention the cost of getting it converted over to the
>"new" r134 AC coolant.

The clutch does eat some energy, not much but it does. A lower thermostat will most definately work. That's what I did in my truck before I put in the electric fan. Now its back to the 180.
Keep in mind though that the engine really needs a higher temp than 165. This is just a temporary fix. Maybe you can test the temp gauge to make sure its accurate.





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>From henryv pica.army.mil Tue Feb 25 12:45:10 1997 From: "Henry Van Dyke" Subject: FS: 1994 F250 Supercab 4X4 Power Stroke To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

I'm selling my baby.. a speced out/factory ordered

1994 F250 Supercab
4X4
XLT Lariat
155 WB Styleside
7.3l Power Stroke Turbo Diesel
> 5 speed manual O/D HD trans
3.55 limited slip
Trailer Tow
Off-road
> Security Group
DRL
Manual Hubs
Sliding Rear window
Low Mount swing mirrors
Roof Clearence lights
Step Bumper
> Captain's Chairs
Two Tone

Rugged Liner Bedliner
Jerico Cabhigh cap
POR 15 painted under body
Bug deflector

20000 miles (daily ride to/from work)

Adult Driven by a 32 year old

Meticulously Maintained

Northern New Jersey off RT 80

BO over $24000.00

Reply to:
henryv pica.army.mil
201-724-4071 daytime


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>From jayvanv teleport.com Tue Feb 25 13:10:27 1997 From: "jayvanv teleport.com" Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> >>> "jayvanv teleport.com" 02/25/97 10:44am
> >It has a large fan and shroud now. It does have a fan clutch though, I
> >was
> >thinking of removing that?? Would that help? would it be detrimental?=20
> >
> >I'll consider an electric fan after I try a lower thermostat and any oth= er
> >"cheap" solution. I removed the AC since it really isn't needed that oft= en
> >here in Oregon, and to get rid of the condensor radiator in front of hte
> >radiator, not to nmention the cost of getting it converted over to the
> >"new" r134 AC coolant.=20
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> The clutch does eat some energy, not much but it does. A lower
> thermostat will most definately work. That's what I did in my
> truck before I put in the electric fan. Now its back to the 180.
> Keep in mind though that the engine really needs a higher temp
> than 165. This is just a temporary fix. Maybe you can test
> the temp gauge to make sure its accurate.

Ok, So what is the purpose of the fan clutch?=20

How does the lower thermostat effect the engine?=20

This truck doesn't have the full gauge package, so I think I will get an aftermarket gauge cluster and see if there is any difference. Would it be the temp sensor in the block that would be bad?=20

Thanks yet again ;)=20

=2E.Jay

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>From jayvanv teleport.com Tue Feb 25 13:10:23 1997 From: "jayvanv teleport.com" Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Ken Payne wrote:

> >>> "jayvanv teleport.com" 02/25/97 10:44am
> >It has a large fan and shroud now. It does have a fan clutch though, I
> >was
> >thinking of removing that?? Would that help? would it be detrimental?=20
> >
> >I'll consider an electric fan after I try a lower thermostat and any oth= er
> >"cheap" solution. I removed the AC since it really isn't needed that oft= en
> >here in Oregon, and to get rid of the condensor radiator in front of hte
> >radiator, not to nmention the cost of getting it converted over to the
> >"new" r134 AC coolant.=20
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> The clutch does eat some energy, not much but it does. A lower
> thermostat will most definately work. That's what I did in my
> truck before I put in the electric fan. Now its back to the 180.
> Keep in mind though that the engine really needs a higher temp
> than 165. This is just a temporary fix. Maybe you can test
> the temp gauge to make sure its accurate.

Ok, So what is the purpose of the fan clutch?=20

How does the lower thermostat effect the engine?=20

This truck doesn't have the full gauge package, so I think I will get an aftermarket gauge cluster and see if there is any difference. Would it be the temp sensor in the block that would be bad?=20

Thanks yet again ;)=20

=2E.Jay

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>From nfinney earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 15:00:26 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: My Project Ford Description To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>and finally
>>coax more performance out of the stock 460. It is my intention to end
>>up with 460 that has approximately 400 HP.

What do you mean by stock 460???

If you go with an RV cam, port the the heads, get the timing right and get some headers and an aluminum intake 400 HP out of a 460 is cake.

REPLACE THE STOCK OIL PUMP DRIVESHAFT with a hardened one! Next door neighbor blew his on a 70 F-100 with a new 460 and lost oil pressure.

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 15:03:38 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: My Project Ford Description To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Ken Payne wrote:

>>Funny thing about projects like this is that friends and neighbors just
>>shake their heads - they'll never understand that the beauty is in putting
>>something together. My co-workers can't understand why I would want to
>>spend the kind of money to do a frame-up restoration of a 1967 F100. These
>>same kind of people are the ones who gawk at the finished product yet don't
>>understand the work put into it.

I'm looking at my garage and laughing.

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net


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>From payne platinum.com Tue Feb 25 15:31:38 1997 From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold removal, heater fan motor.. -Reply -Reply
-Reply
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

>>> "jayvanv teleport.com" 02/25/97 12:10pm
>>>

-snip-
>> the temp gauge to make sure its accurate.

>Ok, So what is the purpose of the fan clutch?

The fan clutch is not for cooling. Its for providing more horse power for the engine. What it does is provide spin to the fan based on how hot the engine is. A rotating fan robs a small amount of horse-power so it pays to keep rotating as minimaly as possible. However, depending on the make of the clutch (and in your case it's propably not a stock item) it may or may not "lock" completely when the ....

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