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Today's Topics:

Re: Web-site down for updates -Reply
Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Web site down again, quick subscribe form being added
Re: 56 F-100s
Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Re: re- flathead engine/8N Tractor
Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Web site back up
Re: 56 F-100s
RE:FE carb backfire
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RE: FE Power!!!!
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>From muccilla rci.rutgers.edu Fri Feb 14 17:27:56 1997 From: Antoinette Muccilli To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Web-site down for updates -Reply

Regarding the sound effect related to Ford (trucks).

I don't recall where I had heard this (maybe it was rec.autos.tech or rec.autos.4x4), but someone had recorded the sound of their Powerstroke starting up on a cold morning and turned it into a sound bite. Maybe said person is a member of this list?

Todd


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 18:50:59 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel

JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM wrote:
>
> >I'm really interested in feedback from Powerstroke owners. I've done
> >some research, but would like info from owners with reports of
> >performance and/or problems specific to the 7.3, conventional, turbo and
> >hyd/electronic injected.
>
> The "Powerstroke" is a totally new, clean-sheet of paper engine. It was
> never available without turbo or HEUI injectors. In prior years, Ford
> did ship International 6.9s and 7.3s, but these are not related to our
> T444Es. In fact, the International version comes intercooled, but that
> feature was deleted by Ford. FYI the HEUI injectors are manufactured by
> Caterpillar.
>
> Some of the things about the engine you might like to know:
>
> Forged steel crank and rods.
> Steel, gear-driven cam.
> Gear-driven high pressure oil pump and power steering pump.
> Jet-oil cooled pistons.
> Engine-mounted oil cooler.
> Spin-out fuel filter.
>
> >Number one question- Has anybody found a source (other than Ford) for an
> >engine manual. Navistar (makes the T444 for Ford) says their manual
> >isn't applicable because Ford their uses their PCM to control. Ford
> >wants a fortune and my dealer says the book ain't all that great.
> >Anything would be interesting.
>
> While it's true that Ford privatized the "off-engine" electronics, the
> engine and fuel system are vanilla International. Thus, for true engine
> work, injectors, etc, the Nav publications should be relevant. I have the
> Helm manuals (yes they're expensive as Helm!) but I don't know of any
> other choices than what you've already mentioned. I think they're pretty
> good overall, and where they're not, you can usually figure out what's wrong.
>
> >Number two-What about specific problems.... I've had a PCM changed
> >because the cruise control didn't work right. Now the engine starts and
> >shifts different. Dealer says it was all wrong before.
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of electronically-controlled diesels. This
> kind of crap makes me wish I had bought a Cummins. I don't know what to
> tell you about this...when they work, they work great. When they don't,
> you'll never, ever know why.
>
> If your engine ever dies on deceleration, and no trouble codes show up,
> consider asking your mechanic to shim out the cam sensor. You can call
> Navistar to find out how far. It helped on mine.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
> P.S. Get your fuel and lube oil filters at the International dealership and
> you'll save a bundle of money.
>
> >Robert Smallwood
> >Loving my awesome T444 "oargg oargg oargg" or whatever Tim says when
> >the Turbo spins up.
>
> That's T444E...Electronic, that is.
>
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Jon,

Few more questions-

HEUI's- made by Cat eh? You don't think these things originate from Daewoo...Cat's overseas source for fork trucks and other equipment parts.

What does Helm charge for a complete engine manual and is a truck manual available? I plan on keeping mine a while. (My other Ford is a 1978 E-150 Van, 300/6 stick, bought new, 180,000 miles, never consumed a quart of oil. I'm not cheap, I just get attached)

I know a guy in Oklahoma owns a 350 4x4, said at 100,000 his starting just shutting off.....turns out it was cam sensor. Don't know if an adjustment was required or replacement.

You refer to a spin out fuel filter...Mine uses a cartridge under a screw off cap, is this what you are referring to?

Thanks

Robert


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 18:59:51 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel

Larry Smeins wrote:
>
> I'm new to this group and missed the original of this posting. I too had a
> reprogram of the computer on my '95' Powerstroke. Power and transmission
> shift points changed for the worse. I'd like to have a chat with you about
> this Robert. I've put a query out on the Cummins group on this topic.
>
> Larry
> If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.
> ----------
>
> >Number two-What about specific problems.... I've had a PCM changed
> >because the cruise control didn't work right. Now the engine starts and
> >shifts different. Dealer says it was all wrong before.
>
> >Robert Smallwood
> >Loving my awesome T444 "oargg oargg oargg" or whatever Tim says when
> >the Turbo spins up.
>
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Larry,

I'm not sure how to chat on this wonderful medium yet, but however we can exchange info I'd be more than happy to. By the way, "Ball Corporation"...you don't by chance know how to make an end do you?
I've seen a few million go out the door where I work.

Robert


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 19:03:49 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM wrote:
>
> >Its in late spring. I'll have the dates as soon as I get them in
> >the mail. As to where. Get a hotel in Severeville, about
> >5 miles from Pigeon Forge as the rates are less. Drive down
>
> I can't imagine the hotels being any less, unless they were free! We
> paid 39 bucks for a suite with a wood-burning fireplace (and a supply of
> stacked wood), a king-sized bed, and a jacuzzi!
>
> The previous night we did rough it and get a room with a king-sized bed
> and cable TV for $24.95, though.
>
> When in Sevierville, make sure to stop in at Smokey Mountain Knife Works,
> and if you're a ham radio operator (or play one on TV) go see the folks
> at Ten-Tec. Makes you feel good to see Americans kicking butt in the
> technology game, using parts they design and manufacture right there in
> their own plant.
>
> Jon
>
> P.S. I don't own stock in, nor am I employed by any of the aforementioned.
> They're just neat places that most car/truck guys would like.
>
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Jon,

Please post dates as soon as you know them. Got relatives in Cleveland Tennesee and wouldn't mind mixing the required mother-in -law visit with a little added trip for some truck gawking.

Robert


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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 21:55:19 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Web site down again, quick subscribe form being added

Web site will be down for 30 mins while I set up a form which will allow users to easily and quickly subscribe/unsubscribe from the list.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
Visit the Ford Trucks List Web Page:
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:58 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: 56 F-100s

Mick,

Statistics show that most of the 56's with the "big window" option were sent to CA.
Apparently they are quite hard to come by. I suggest you go to Pigeon Forge in May to the big F-100 show.
There will probably be more there in one place than anywhere else.

Steve


At 09:58 AM 2/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I am new to this group. I, like most F-100 lovers, am interested in finding
>a 56 F-100 with a Big Window. Does anyone on this list know how plentiful
>(rare) they are. I know that it was an option for that year but don't know
>anything else about them. Were they sold most commonly in the sunshine
>states? Here in the north, it is rare to see a 56 F-100 let alone a Big
>Window version.
>
>Thanks in advance for your reply,
>
>Mick Fulton
>
>HotRod 53 F-100
>Driven daily when I lived in Indiana
>Parked in winter now that I live in Michigan
>
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:59 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

Ken,

I hear that PF is as exciting as you say and I'll be going myself in 1998.
What I was going to mention is that I can't beleive an event like that does not have a web page. Someone should mention it to Pat Ford.

Thanks Steve



At 10:40 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>> 02/12/97 09:29am >>>
>>>Never been to the show you mentioned. However, the Ford truck
>>>show in Pigeon Forge, Tenn is a blast. I'm going again this year.
>
>>We spent some time in PF last year on vacation, and really enjoyed it.
>>The motels are so cheap, it's hard to believe. Don't forget the Elvis
>>museum and Smokey Mountain Nat'l Park.
>
>>When/where is the show?
>
>>Thanks,
>>Jon in Houston
>>'96 F350/XLT/4x4/Offroad/T444E/ZFS5-47/3.55/regular cab
>
>Its in late spring. I'll have the dates as soon as I get them in
>the mail. As to where. Get a hotel in Severeville, about
>5 miles from Pigeon Forge as the rates are less. Drive down
>the strip in Pigeon Forge - trust me you can't miss it. There
>are hundreds of Ford Trucks all over the town and a huge
>clump of them where the actual show is. Lots of vendors
>too. Even saw some of antique Ch*vys there, I guess the
>Ch*vy owners came to gawk in envy!
>
>Full information will be posted soon. Maybe some of us can
>plan on meeting there?
>
>
>
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:56 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: re- flathead engine/8N Tractor

Dave,

Welcome to the listing. Your questions about the old 8N tractors are interesting, but we don't want to get the pure truck guy's excited and thinking this is turning into the Ford Tractor listing, but there are some remarkable similarities between the tractors and the trucks. Apparently the 4 cylinder flat head engine found in the 8N up to the point they went to overhead valves (1954-5?) is exactly half of the flathead V8 that are found in the early Ford trucks.
In fact the later overhead valve motor is exactly half of the 272 V8 found in the later Ford Trucks.
I too am in the process of rebuilding my 1952 8N this winter with the help of a friend of mine
who has done many before. If you run into a snag with yours let me know and maybe we can help.

Good Luck
Steve



At 11:34 PM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dan, I wonder if anyone knows whether that flathead was the same engine that
>folks were putting in the Ford N tractors (e.g., Funk conversions; there were
>some sixes, but also, I think, some 8's) in place of the standard 4 cylinder
>flathead engine. If it is, you might have better luck selling that block to
>a tractor jock. Post back with any additional info. about the engine and if
>you're interested, I could put you in touch with a couple of sources that
>might be interested.
>
>I guess I should introduce myself. My name is Dave McCormick. Currently, I
>have three fords, a 1948 8N tractor that i'm in the process of refurbishing,
>a 73 F-100 and a 96 F-250 Powerstroke. I subscribed looking for discussion
>and tips mainly regarding my 96. The 73 truck, btw is currently for sale.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave
>mccormickd njc.org
>
>
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 22:43:03 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

At 10:15 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>I hear that PF is as exciting as you say and I'll be going myself in 1998.
>What I was going to mention is that I can't beleive an event like that does
>not have a web page. Someone should mention it to Pat Ford.
>
>Thanks Steve
>
>

Unfortunately, I may not be able to go this year. My wife pregnant and is due 2 weeks after the show. Depends on what the doctor says.
I had a blast last year. Some of the guys even let me crawl under the trucks so I could make comparisons to my truck.



-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 22:46:31 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Web site back up

Subject says it all.


-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From thez primenet.com Sat Feb 15 00:52:36 1997 From: Zander Busch
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 56 F-100s

1956 F100 "Big Windows" are plentiful here in Los Angeles.

Alex
'75 F250
Los Angeles


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>From adw436 freenet.mb.ca Sat Feb 15 02:53:51 1997 From: Greg Charney To: FORDTRUCKS
CC: bigric mail.utexas.edu
Subject: RE:FE carb backfire
X-URL: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~cjs/new.info.html#link8

Q:Some time back someone wrote about a 352 block (360, 390 whatever) with a carb backfire when cold. I asume this means the backfire "flame" comes out the carb. Been there... done that... burn't a pair of gloves swatting out the smoldering oil bath air cleaner.

A: Check the distributor for broker or unhooked mechanical advance
spring. You say you replaced the distributor did you mean just
the cap? Ours had a broken spring, cured the carb flame and hard
cold starts.

While I'm here let me introduce myself. I'm 23, and the year I was born my dad got two babys.... me and his '72 f-250 (with the firespitting 360). The truck has taken a few years off here and there between engine's, but is still there when we need a truck with the kahonas to get the job done.

later
Greg Charney
adw436 freenet.mb.ca
Riverton, Manitoba 72 f-250, 82 f-150 SuperCab, 50 International 3/4t
and a 50 merc'3/4t dead rust bucket,for now d:-(


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>From jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net Sat Feb 15 08:06:39 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net (John D. Klaers) Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

Please UNSUBSCRIBE




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>From kpayne mindspring.com Sat Feb 15 12:29:45 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: split group or digest?

Well, the list is hovering near 100 members now and traffic has picked up quite a bit. I've gotten 3 requests to start a digest format and one to split the group by antique and non-antique.

Well, since each service costs money (something I'm not too willing to part with), I'm having to make an "executive" decision.
When the group gets even bigger I can consider both, but not at this point.

On Monday, I'm sending out a check to get digest format started.
My reasoning:

First:
If you get digest format it'll be real easy to figure out if a message interests you, since you'll find it listed in the digest.
Antique and non-antique users will both have a better service since neither would have to wade through messages that don't interest them.

Second:
Due to the large number of messages, some users who have subscribed using a work email address have had to unsubscribe because it was filling up their mailboxes. This hinders our growth and leaves out people who could otherwise participate in a positive way. I've had several private "help! I'm drowning in email!" messages sent to me!!!

Third:
I believe there would be a huge debate as to what qualifies as an "antique", one in which some people will be put into a "just can't win" situation. In particular, the folks with 73-79 trucks. These aren't old to qualify (in most people's opinion) as antique, but if you own one you know that its not new either. Unlike the pre 73 trucks, the 73-79 model has not yet gotten the attention of antique and reproduction parts companies. In alot of ways, these people are left in the cold.

Anyways, sometime next week we should have digest format. I'll let everyone know when it happens.


-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From nfinney earthlink.net Sat Feb 15 13:45:11 1997 From: Nick Finney To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

John D. Klaers wrote:
>
> Please UNSUBSCRIBE
>

I can't. Please send the request to unsubscribe to:

"list-request lofcom.com"

The subject body of the message must contain "UNSUBSCRIBE FORDTRUCKS".

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net

69 Ford F-100 FE 390
"The Beast"


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>From charlie lofcom.com Sat Feb 15 13:53:58 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Charlie Summers Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: Subscribe/Unsubscribe Messages

Folks;

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>From barr erols.com Sat Feb 15 15:10:32 1997 From: "Bruce A. Ramirez" To: FORD TRUCKS Subject: Engine Runs Rough

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Hi all,

I have a '91 F150 4x4 with a 4.9L six cylinder and a 5 speed and 60,000 miles on it. Here is my problem, my engine is running rough as if it has a miss but all cylinders are firing. I have pulled all of my injectors and cleaned them. I have replaced all the plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor, MAP sensor, EGR Valve Position sensor, EGR Pressure Transducer, and even the EEC-IV Electronic Engine Control (the computer). Nothing has made a difference. My RPM's at idle are 1050 RPM's with all accessories turned off. Idle RPM's should be 750 RPM's. I cannot check the timing with the idle so. I have even done a compression test on all cylinders and all cylinders are within tollerance and within a few psi. of each other. Fortunately all the parts I have replaced came off my '94 E-250 van with the same motor.
After swaping all the parts, the problem didnot show-up on the van. The F-150 still has the same problem. One more thing, I did check my fuel pressure snd it is correct.

Does anyone have any suggestions before I contact the dealer. I would rather not call the dealer if I don't have to.

Bruce Ramirez
barr erols.com

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Hi all,

 

I have a '91 F150 4x4 with a 4.9L six cylinder and a 5 speed and 60,000 miles on it.  Here is my problem, my engine is running rough as if it has a miss but all cylinders are firing. I have pulled all of my injectors and cleaned them. I have replaced all the plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor, MAP sensor, EGR Valve Position sensor, EGR Pressure Transducer,  and even the EEC-IV Electronic Engine Control (the computer). Nothing has made a difference. My RPM's at idle are 1050 RPM's with all accessories turned off. Idle RPM's should be 750 RPM's. I cannot check the timing with the idle so.  I have even done a compression test on all cylinders and all cylinders are within tollerance and within a few psi. of each other.
Fortunately all the parts I have replaced came off my '94 E-250 van with the same motor. After swaping all the parts, the problem didnot show-up on the van. The F-150 still has the same problem. One more thing, I did check my fuel pressure snd it is correct.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions before I contact the dealer. I would rather not call the dealer if I don't have to.

 

Bruce Ramirez   

barr erols.com



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>From mcat epix.net Sat Feb 15 16:45:08 1997 From: mcat epix.net
Subject: RE: FE Power!!!!
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Nick, The only FE that had 4-bolts was the 427 and some 406s. There is a way to to make a 4blt ot of 2blt but it is expencive and most machine shops don`t want to try it. Better of finding a 427 blk droping in 428 crank and coustom pistions. Makes more HP and gobs of torque.
Garry mcat epix.net 427 powered 56 f100
--- On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:17:59 -0500 (EST) Nick Finney wrote:

>Any one have any idea where I can locate a four bolt/crossbolted mains
>Ford FE Big Block in Southern California? This is the Engine that was
>the 428. I want to put one in my truck. Whats the pricing and
>availability?
>
>Contemplating a little drag strip action for the "beast".
>"Oargh!","Oargh!","Oargh!"
>
>Any one have any comments concerning my sanity and NHRA drag racing a
>truck (there are other trucks to compete with)?
>
>
>
>--
>Nick Finney
>nfinney earthlink.net
>
>69 F100 390FE
>
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Molly & Garry Catalano
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 2/15/97 Time: 4:23:43 PM

The two sureties in life: death & taxes.
Be an undertaker or an accountant.
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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Sat Feb 15 16:55:24 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: Engine Runs Rough
X-VMS-To: IN%"FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com"
X-VMS-Cc: HURDJ
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

Bruce,

Any codes in the computer?


Jim
Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From barr erols.com Sat Feb 15 17:20:32 1997 From: "Bruce A. Ramirez" Subject: Re: Engine Runs Rough
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

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Yes there were 3 codes. 128 for Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP sensor), 327 for EGR Valve Position (EVP sensor), and 328 for EGR Valve Position (EVP sensor). But I have already replaced these parts.

WHAT NEXT???

Bruce Ramirez
Frederick, MD.
'91 F-150 4x4 (4.9L)
'94 E-250 (4.9L)

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Yes there were 3 codes. 128 for Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP sensor), 327 for EGR Valve Position (EVP sensor), and 328 for EGR Valve Position (EVP sensor). But I have already replaced these parts.

 

WHAT NEXT???

 

Bruce Ramirez

Frederick, MD.

'91 F-150 4x4 (4.9L)

'94 E-250        (4.9L) 



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>From robert56 ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 15 21:07:09 1997 From: robert56 ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Engine Runs Rough
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

On 02/15/97 15:10:32 you wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a '91 F150 4x4 with a 4.9L six cylinder and a 5 speed and 60,000
>miles on it. Here is my problem, my engine is running rough as if it
>has a miss but all cylinders are firing. I have pulled all of my
>injectors and cleaned them. I have replaced all the plugs, wires,
>distributor cap and rotor, MAP sensor, EGR Valve Position sensor, EGR
>Pressure Transducer, and even the EEC-IV Electronic Engine Control (the
>computer). Nothing has made a difference. My RPM's at idle are 1050
>RPM's with all accessories turned off. Idle RPM's should be 750 RPM's. I
>cannot check the timing with the idle so. I have even done a
>compression test on all cylinders and all cylinders are within
>tollerance and within a few psi. of each other. Fortunately all the
>parts I have replaced came off my '94 E-250 van with the same motor.
>After swaping all the parts, the problem didnot show-up on the van. The
>F-150 still has the same problem. One more thing, I did check my fuel
>pressure snd it is correct.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions before I contact the dealer. I would
>rather not call the dealer if I don't have to.
>
>Bruce Ramirez
>barr erols.com
>
>

did you try cleaning the idle air control valve? It is the solenoid shaped thing on top of the throttle body - it fills with coke and will not meter the correct amount of air at idle thus raising idle rpm. While you are at it use a toothbrush (so soon after valentines day, maybe it's not a good idea to use the wife's) and some choke cleaner to clean the carbon deposits that appear directly behind the throttle body plates. And if they are not already there, drill a small hole in each plate. these holes were included in later model 4.9 throttle bodies and help to smooth the idle by passing a small amount of air when the plates are closed. let me know if you want to do this and i'll measure mine and get the exact hole diameter.

Robert Riffel
'94 & '90 F-150 2wd



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>From HURDJ VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Sun Feb 16 01:04:25 1997 From: JIM HURD Subject: Re: Engine Runs Rough
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Bruce,

A code 128 with engine running indicates "MAP vacuum circut failure".
Check for air leaks in the intake system and vacuum system. Also check to see that the MAP sensor holds a vacuum.

Engine Running (ER) trouble codes generated during ER Self-Test may be due to a faulty vacuum hose or to excess EGR flow. Continuous memory codes may be due to a leak in the MAP sensor.

Jim
Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)


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>From nfinney earthlink.net Sun Feb 16 02:36:18 1997 From: Nick Finney Subject: Re: Engine Runs Rough
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com

JIM HURD wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> A code 128 with engine running indicates "MAP vacuum circut failure".
> Check for air leaks in the intake system and vacuum system. Also check
> to see that the MAP sensor holds a vacuum.
>
> Engine Running (ER) trouble codes generated during ER Self-Test may be due
> to a faulty vacuum hose or to excess EGR flow. Continuous memory codes may
> be due to a leak in the MAP sensor.
>
> Jim
> Central NY
> '79 F-150 (302!)
> '92 Topaz (3.0l)
>

Is it possible that these are continuous memory codes that were generated before the parts were replaced and just haved been purged from the Keep Alive Memory?

--
Nick Finney
nfinney earthlink.net

"Ya see its not the speed that kills son its the sudden stop"


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