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Re: Web-site down for updates -Reply
Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
> Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
> Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Web site down again, quick subscribe form being added
Re: 56 F-100s
Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Re: re- flathead engine/8N Tractor
Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply
Web site back up
Re: 56 F-100s
RE:FE carb backfire
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>From muccilla rci.rutgers.edu Fri Feb 14 17:27:56 1997 From: Antoinette Muccilli To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Web-site down for updates -Reply

Regarding the sound effect related to Ford (trucks).

I don't recall where I had heard this (maybe it was rec.autos.tech or rec.autos.4x4), but someone had recorded the sound of their Powerstroke starting up on a cold morning and turned it into a sound bite. Maybe said person is a member of this list?

Todd


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 18:50:59 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
>
JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM wrote:
>
> >I'm really interested in feedback from Powerstroke owners. I've done
> >some research, but would like info from owners with reports of
> >performance and/or problems specific to the 7.3, conventional, turbo and
> >hyd/electronic injected.
>
> The "Powerstroke" is a totally new, clean-sheet of paper engine. It was
> never available without turbo or HEUI injectors. In prior years, Ford
> did ship International 6.9s and 7.3s, but these are not related to our
> T444Es. In fact, the International version comes intercooled, but that
> feature was deleted by Ford. FYI the HEUI injectors are manufactured by
> Caterpillar.
>
> Some of the things about the engine you might like to know:
>
> Forged steel crank and rods.
> Steel, gear-driven cam.
> Gear-driven high pressure oil pump and power steering pump.
> Jet-oil cooled pistons.
> Engine-mounted oil cooler.
> Spin-out fuel filter.
>
> >Number one question- Has anybody found a source (other than Ford) for an
> > engine manual. Navistar (makes the T444 for Ford) says their manual
> >isn't applicable because Ford their uses their PCM to control. Ford
> >wants a fortune and my dealer says the book ain't all that great.
> >Anything would be interesting.
>
> While it's true that Ford privatized the "off-engine" electronics, the
> engine and fuel system are vanilla International. Thus, for true engine
> > work, injectors, etc, the Nav publications should be relevant. I have the
> Helm manuals (yes they're expensive as Helm!) but I don't know of any
> other choices than what you've already mentioned. I think they're pretty
> good overall, and where they're not, you can usually figure out what's wrong.
>
> >Number two-What about specific problems.... I've had a PCM changed
> >because the cruise control didn't work right. Now the engine starts and
> >shifts different. Dealer says it was all wrong before.
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of electronically-controlled diesels. This
> kind of crap makes me wish I had bought a Cummins. I don't know what to
> tell you about this...when they work, they work great. When they don't,
> you'll never, ever know why.
>
> If your engine ever dies on deceleration, and no trouble codes show up,
> consider asking your mechanic to shim out the cam sensor. You can call
> Navistar to find out how far. It helped on mine.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
> P.S. Get your fuel and lube oil filters at the International dealership and
> you'll save a bundle of money.
>
> >Robert Smallwood
> >Loving my awesome T444 "oargg oargg oargg" or whatever Tim says when
> >the Turbo spins up.
>
> That's T444E...Electronic, that is.
>
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Jon,

Few more questions-

HEUI's- made by Cat eh? You don't think these things originate from Daewoo...Cat's overseas source for fork trucks and other equipment parts.

What does Helm charge for a complete engine manual and is a truck manual available? I plan on keeping mine a while. (My other Ford is a 1978 E-150 Van, 300/6 stick, bought new, 180,000 miles, never consumed a quart of oil. I'm not cheap, I just get attached)

I know a guy in Oklahoma owns a 350 4x4, said at 100,000 his starting just shutting off.....turns out it was cam sensor. Don't know if an adjustment was required or replacement.

You refer to a spin out fuel filter...Mine uses a cartridge under a screw off cap, is this what you are referring to?

Thanks

Robert


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 18:59:51 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: F-series PowerStroke Diesel
>
Larry Smeins wrote:
>
> I'm new to this group and missed the original of this posting. I too had a
> reprogram of the computer on my '95' Powerstroke. Power and transmission
> shift points changed for the worse. I'd like to have a chat with you about
> this Robert. I've put a query out on the Cummins group on this topic.
>
> Larry
> If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.
> ----------
>
> >Number two-What about specific problems.... I've had a PCM changed
> >because the cruise control didn't work right. Now the engine starts and
> >shifts different. Dealer says it was all wrong before.
>
> >Robert Smallwood
> >Loving my awesome T444 "oargg oargg oargg" or whatever Tim says when
> >the Turbo spins up.
>
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Larry,

I'm not sure how to chat on this wonderful medium yet, but however we can exchange info I'd be more than happy to. By the way, "Ball Corporation"...you don't by chance know how to make an end do you?
I've seen a few million go out the door where I work.

Robert


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>From rsmall isgroup.net Fri Feb 14 19:03:49 1997 From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood) To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

JLINETT SYSUBMC.BMC.COM wrote:
>
> >Its in late spring. I'll have the dates as soon as I get them in
> >the mail. As to where. Get a hotel in Severeville, about
> >5 miles from Pigeon Forge as the rates are less. Drive down
>
> I can't imagine the hotels being any less, unless they were free! We
> paid 39 bucks for a suite with a wood-burning fireplace (and a supply of
> stacked wood), a king-sized bed, and a jacuzzi!
>
> The previous night we did rough it and get a room with a king-sized bed
> and cable TV for $24.95, though.
>
> When in Sevierville, make sure to stop in at Smokey Mountain Knife Works,
> and if you're a ham radio operator (or play one on TV) go see the folks
> at Ten-Tec. Makes you feel good to see Americans kicking butt in the
> technology game, using parts they design and manufacture right there in
> their own plant.
>
> Jon
>
> P.S. I don't own stock in, nor am I employed by any of the aforementioned.
> They're just neat places that most car/truck guys would like.
>
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Jon,

Please post dates as soon as you know them. Got relatives in Cleveland Tennesee and wouldn't mind mixing the required mother-in -law visit with a little added trip for some truck gawking.

Robert


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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 21:55:19 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Web site down again, quick subscribe form being added

Web site will be down for 30 mins while I set up a form which will allow users to easily and quickly subscribe/unsubscribe from the list.

-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:58 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: 56 F-100s

Mick,

Statistics show that most of the 56's with the "big window" option were sent to CA.
Apparently they are quite hard to come by. I suggest you go to Pigeon Forge in May to the big F-100 show.
There will probably be more there in one place than anywhere else.

Steve


At 09:58 AM 2/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I am new to this group. I, like most F-100 lovers, am interested in finding
>a 56 F-100 with a Big Window. Does anyone on this list know how plentiful
>(rare) they are. I know that it was an option for that year but don't know
>anything else about them. Were they sold most commonly in the sunshine
>states? Here in the north, it is rare to see a 56 F-100 let alone a Big
>Window version.
>
>Thanks in advance for your reply,
>
>Mick Fulton
>
>HotRod 53 F-100
>Driven daily when I lived in Indiana
>Parked in winter now that I live in Michigan
>
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:59 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

Ken,

I hear that PF is as exciting as you say and I'll be going myself in 1998.
What I was going to mention is that I can't beleive an event like that does not have a web page. Someone should mention it to Pat Ford.

Thanks Steve



At 10:40 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>> 02/12/97 09:29am >>>
>>>Never been to the show you mentioned. However, the Ford truck
>>>show in Pigeon Forge, Tenn is a blast. I'm going again this year.
>
>>We spent some time in PF last year on vacation, and really enjoyed it.
>>The motels are so cheap, it's hard to believe. Don't forget the Elvis
>>museum and Smokey Mountain Nat'l Park.
>
>>When/where is the show?
>
>>Thanks,
>>Jon in Houston
>>'96 F350/XLT/4x4/Offroad/T444E/ZFS5-47/3.55/regular cab
>
>Its in late spring. I'll have the dates as soon as I get them in
>the mail. As to where. Get a hotel in Severeville, about
>5 miles from Pigeon Forge as the rates are less. Drive down
>the strip in Pigeon Forge - trust me you can't miss it. There
>are hundreds of Ford Trucks all over the town and a huge
>clump of them where the actual show is. Lots of vendors
>too. Even saw some of antique Ch*vys there, I guess the
>Ch*vy owners came to gawk in envy!
>
>Full information will be posted soon. Maybe some of us can
>plan on meeting there?
>
>
>
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>From ssilverthorn front.net Fri Feb 14 22:15:56 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Steve and Diana Silverthorn Subject: Re: re- flathead engine/8N Tractor

Dave,

Welcome to the listing. Your questions about the old 8N tractors are interesting, but we don't want to get the pure truck guy's excited and thinking this is turning into the Ford Tractor listing, but there are some remarkable similarities between the tractors and the trucks. Apparently the 4 cylinder flat head engine found in the 8N up to the point they went to overhead valves (1954-5?) is exactly half of the flathead V8 that are found in the early Ford trucks.
In fact the later overhead valve motor is exactly half of the 272 V8 found in the later Ford Trucks.
I too am in the process of rebuilding my 1952 8N this winter with the help of a friend of mine
who has done many before. If you run into a snag with yours let me know and maybe we can help.

Good Luck
Steve



At 11:34 PM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dan, I wonder if anyone knows whether that flathead was the same engine that
>folks were putting in the Ford N tractors (e.g., Funk conversions; there were
>some sixes, but also, I think, some 8's) in place of the standard 4 cylinder
>flathead engine. If it is, you might have better luck selling that block to
>a tractor jock. Post back with any additional info. about the engine and if
>you're interested, I could put you in touch with a couple of sources that
>might be interested.
>
>I guess I should introduce myself. My name is Dave McCormick. Currently, I
>have three fords, a 1948 8N tractor that i'm in the process of refurbishing,
>a 73 F-100 and a 96 F-250 Powerstroke. I subscribed looking for discussion
>and tips mainly regarding my 96. The 73 truck, btw is currently for sale.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave
>mccormickd njc.org
>
>
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 22:43:03 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Show -Reply

At 10:15 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>I hear that PF is as exciting as you say and I'll be going myself in 1998.
>What I was going to mention is that I can't beleive an event like that does
>not have a web page. Someone should mention it to Pat Ford.
>
>Thanks Steve
>
>

Unfortunately, I may not be able to go this year. My wife pregnant and is due 2 weeks after the show. Depends on what the doctor says.
I had a blast last year. Some of the guys even let me crawl under the trucks so I could make comparisons to my truck.



-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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>From kpayne mindspring.com Fri Feb 14 22:46:31 1997 To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
From: Ken Payne Subject: Web site back up

Subject says it all.


-Ken Payne
1967 Ford F100 Custom Cab, 390 FE V8
List maintainer, send me comments and suggestions.
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