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offroad-list Digest Sat, 18 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 028

In This Issue:
Re: Thunder Trucks
Re: [BIRTHDAY WANTS.....]
Re: Limits & litigations
Re: [Re: [BIRTHDAY WANTS.....]]
Re: [Thunder Trucks]
Lawsuit
First & probably last annual 94th road run
Re: Ford and The Law
Re: [Re: Bunch of crap]
ADMIN: Numerous web site updates!

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From: RSmith4085 aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:55:37 EST
Subject: Re: Thunder Trucks

sounds like you had a good time,someday i may try the same thing,it is almost
like a itch that you have to scratch,it,s sounds like you where really the
winner that night,
thanks for the story,
rich

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:41:34 EST
Subject: Re: [BIRTHDAY WANTS.....]

In a message dated 03/17/2000 2:50:51 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
manicmechanicnc netscape.net writes:

<< Hey y'all! Probably thought Envy and I took a roadtrip huh?

Spring break already? :-) >>
Not soon enough! All I want is this: A chrome bar that has a single or
double hoop and single kickers that attach to the side of the bed that has
lights on the top of the bar. Is that enough info? LOL Is this what is in the
Napa catalog, if so gimme more info so I can check it out. Thanks!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys.........Trucks are for girls!~*~*

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Date: 18 Mar 00 20:00:31 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Limits & litigations

BRIGANDBARaol.com wrote:
> Worst part of the whole thing is: Guess who is going to pay for the
damages?

The Ford Consumer of course.

> Ford is a corporation, and corporations recoup losses.

Yep; as you said higher prices.. mark everything up a percent or two and that
50 Mil wont hurt at all.

> This guy
> should feel responsible, he overdrove his capabilities, and perhaps the
> limitations of his vehicles, but then again, as an operator he should be
> familiar with these factors.

At least read the label on the sun visor for cryin' out loud! Like the old
C-4 trans falling into R from P debacle. I've seen it happen numerous times
in various shops; do I sue Ford if it rams the shop door? Hell no. I ask why
I didn't set the brake or use wheel chocks if the brake didn't feel good.

>
> If I pull 10g's in a King Air that I'm flying,

Nice aircraft but I don't think it was designed for acrobatics!

> or exceed any other aircraft
> limitation, why should Beech be held responsible for my level of competency

> as a pilot.

One notable difference though; the limits are published and/or classified into
groups for aircraft (and depending on load the limits are de-rated) while
ground vehicles are only rated by GVWR/GAWR. Hopefully if you see an obstacle
in your path with the King Air the evasive action will be less rapid than if
you were in a Pitts to avoid stressing the airframe (but still clear it of
course!) For those not familliar with planes let's call the King Air an
Excursion and the Pitts a Mustang. (Hmm.. maybe substitute P-51 for Pitts so

it'd be Mustang both ways! ) The KA/Ex haul the passengers in comfort at
the expensive of responsiveness and the 'tangs aren't as comfortable but will
change direction quickly and capably. (BTW remember the old nick-name for the
Beech Bonanza? FTDK.)

If road vehicles were aircraft we'd have instruments for G-force and
established limits not to be exceedeed. (Yeah.. right.. like the average Joe
on the road can handle any more instruments beyond speed and gas.) For the
B-II there'd be a warning to not exceed over 0.X G in transitional lateral
movements and SUVs might require a license attachment or even semi-annual
physical exams for the operator. The point is to select your vehicle for it's
intended use. Get a Mustang if you want to whip around the road or get an
Ex(whichever) to haul the kids or whatever you do with that space but KNOW the
price you pay for that space.

Yes there are known faults in aircraft designs as well; just like we have TSBs
aircraft have ADs (Airworthiness Directive); but these carry official weight
and MUST be attended to before further operation unlike road vehicles. A case
in point would be the 'jackscrew' issue from the recent airliner crash; if
this proves to be the cause then yes some litagation *might* be appropriate
but which Company do you sue? Not being a money grubber I'd leave it alone
and my loved one(s) peacefully at rest.

> Or if I check my gun by looking down the barrel and pulling the
> trigger to see if it is loaded, should SigSauer be held responsible for the

> stupidity of my actions.

Given S&W's recent sell-out to the Gov't position probably so... I own a
handgun made by a company now out of business due to it's weak safety. Some
idiot dropped a cocked & locked one and was gut shot by it and the family
sued. Forgive me if I'm wrong but unless you KNOW you're in harms way why
should there be a live round in the chamber unless it's preparedness but even
then knowing it's live CARE should be used in it's handling. (FWIW there are
2 fully ready handguns in the house and one has *no* operational safety and
the other just needs the safety wiped 'off' to fire if the situation we hope
doesn't happen does occur...)

> I, for one am tired of paying (in higher prices and taxes) for every mistake

> that someone makes and then attempts to hold someone else accountable for
the
> consequences.
>
> Steve

Amen! And not just limited to product liability but lifestyle choices as well
in my case. I am what I am and I have to deal with it; you(they) are what
they are and I shouldn't have to support it.

ANYways.. the weekend beckons; let's get off this and go back to our favorite
trails or other off-road pursuits. ;-)

Tim


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Date: 18 Mar 00 20:12:44 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [BIRTHDAY WANTS.....]]

Bad4dFillyaol.com wrote:

> All I want is this: A chrome bar that has a single or
> double hoop and single kickers that attach to the side of the bed that has
> lights on the top of the bar. Is that enough info? LOL Is this what is in
the
> Napa catalog, if so gimme more info so I can check it out. Thanks!

My fault; not having a bed on the B-II I was thinking of the roof mounted type
of light bar. You ought to be able to find what you want from JC Whitney,
Summit Products, Performance Products or many other sources; I know they're
available though!

Tim


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Date: 18 Mar 00 20:16:22 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Thunder Trucks]

JUMPINFORDaol.com wrote:
> Well folks I did it! Tweety and I competed in a genuine thunder truck
> competition here in vegas last night. Im still tryin to see when it comes
on
> tv, I gotta see this for myself. What a rush!

SweeT! Gotta find someone that can grab it from TV to a computer friendly
format so you can share it with us. I know I'd like to see it. :-) :-)

Tim

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:15:17 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Lawsuit

About 20 years ago I flipped my poor old 62.
Obviously Ford should have installed some sort of device that could tell
I was a inexperianced driver of 18 and was going waaay too fast on a
dirt road.

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From: Rebel4dManaol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:04:18 EST
Subject: First & probably last annual 94th road run

Well, this was one killer night. Probably one of the best I've ever had.
Only lasted about an hour but definitely awesome. It started off with 15
people piling into 5 trucks which go like this from biggest to smallest:

-late 70's Ch*vy 1 ton; 39" Super Swamper TSL's; driven by "Lucky"
-late 70's Ch*vy 1 ton; 35" Super Swamper Thornbirds; driven by "Daytona"
-early 80's Ch*vy 3/4 ton; 35" Goodyear Wrangler MT's; driven by "Wet Willy"
a.k.a "Junior"
-early 80's Ch*vy 1/2 ton; 32" Goodyear's; driven by "Stick"
-95' Ford F-150; 31" Goodyear Wrangler MT's; driven by "Jason"; (I'm here of
course)

It's been raining all day today (Sat.) and off and on yesterday. So we all
jump in the trucks to make a run we call the "loop" jus' cuz it makes a fun
kinda circle of mud roads. Well, we hit the first road, 94th and get down it
without a hitch until we get to "P road" where "Daytona" is goin' to fast to
make the turn and hits the ditch. But this is no problem because "Wet Willy"
has him pulled out in no time. But, "Stick" has taken off ahead of everyone
else by quit a ways. So now he's lost.

Well, we figured we'd catch up with them eventually. We head on down "P"
road, across 110th and up to 118th. This is were it gets hairy, but not the
4 wheelin' part. "Lucky" and "Wet Willy" are missing. We get half way down
118th, "Daytona" and us (in the Ford) stop and talk about what we're gonna
do. We decide we'll continue the "loop" and then do it over again and
hopefully find them somewhere on the way. This is just fine but Sam, another
guy riding with us in the Ford decides he's gonna get out of the truck and
literally run back to "P" road to find "Lucky" and "Wet Willy". And being as
dumb as we are, we let him go by himself.

We get back to the beginning of the "loop" and head down "P" road once again.
At the top of the first hill we find "Stick". We decide that he will head
back to the house and we'll continue on to look for "Lucky" and "Wet Willy".
We get to 118th again and about a 1/4 of the way down the road, we see
lights, but these are the last lights we expected to see, red and blue
flashers (and yes this is on the mud road)

Both of the trucks stop and the drivers go talk to the cop for a little bit,
and then 3 more sets (yes 3) of red and blue cherries show up. So now we're
parked on a mud road talking to about 7 cops. In case you were wondering, 2
Dodge pickup cops, 1 Ford pickup cop, and a Crown Vic (he stopped at the end
of the road where it was gravel). They took our licenses and ran checks on
everybody. Then they (the cops who had picked him up shortly after we left
him) returned Sam back to the truck from witch he should have been in. They
did a minor search on the vehicles, gave the drivers a lecture and set us on
our way. They informed us that there is an ordinance in Jackson County,
Kansas that says "any vehicle may not be on any low maintenance road during
wet conditions". If we had indeed known this before we went wheelin' we
would have not gone into Jackson County.

After leaving 118th we hit a gravel road on our way back to Shawnee County.
This is where we found "Wet Willy" goin' the other direction. So we told him
that it would not be a good idea to go that way. We went back to "Daytona's"
house where "Stick" is and there, we also found "Lucky". We then got the
scoop on "Lucky" and "Wet Willy". "Wet Willy" had ran a stop sign on a
gravel road and one of the cops stopped him them. They were good enough only
to give him a warning. "Lucky", who was behind "Wet Willy" when he ran the
stop sign, saw the cop before he too ran the sign. Since it wasn't a "low
maintenance road" and he did stop at the sign, the cops didn't stop him and
he headed on back to "Daytona's" house.

The point of this is to hopefully inform some of you out there that there are
ordinances about 4 wheelin' on county roads and they DO have the cop "cars"
to pull you over. Take my advice and check on those laws. Also, don't be
dumba**'s like us and leave somebody by themselves on a mud road at 10:30 at
night in 30 degree weather.

-Brian Sack

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:22:51 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Ford and The Law

Bas,

What kind of bronco do you have?

I spent a couple of hours getting my new Quick Air 2 installed in my 1988
bronco 2 yesterday. We'll see how that comes together *after* I nail down this
fuel supply problem.

Adam

Bas van der Veer wrote:

> > Life is full of risks and we knowingly assume some of them, and in this
> > non-perfect world sometimes sh*t happens. God doesn't hate us, the
>
> Good saying steve! I think too that people should be held responsible for
> their own actions. And weird as it may seem, the US is pretty good at
> that compared to other countries.
>
> Also I think that the government should provide information allowing
> people to make educated choices in their life, instead of the gvmt
> outlawing anything dangerous. For instance, why mandate the use of
> seatbelts? Inform people of the risks and let them decide for themselves.
> If the government is there for the public (as they say) then why force
> the public into all kinds of things? They should concentrate on providing
> the infrastructure, country defense, police etc, but not spend all this
> money against us.
>
> I do think that a safety net for true misfortune would be in place, eg for
> people who get hit by a hit-and-run driver.
>
> What I wonder is whether you could blame the government for these
> lawsuits. I think just about anything can be used different than it was
> intended. Just as cars can be used to kill somebody and the internet can be
> used for child pornography, the laws can be used for these kinds of
> lawsuits.
>
> Anyway.. time to enjoy the weekend! I'm going 4 wheeling in the iron
> mountain area, near hwy 50, sacramento california. Boy it's past 6pm
> already and I have to fight traffic getting home, work on my bronco, and
> then drive there tonight! Is close to 200 miles! Ahwell I like all of
> that, except the 1st. Have a good weeken guys!
>
> Bas.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:30:33 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Bunch of crap]

Does anyone know what a Willy's pickup is?

I wanted one of these forever, but my dad has always said no. He says that when he was in the
army, he saw them as death traps and will flip over easily. That could be why they tack out at
40 MPH. I am sure that if they are as dangerous as he says they are in the army, then someone
must have flipped it.

Are these as tippy as they have been made out to be? Or maybe they are tippy, but made during
a time when people were more self responsible?

Adam

Tim Turner wrote:

>
> Something I find intersting is that the article seemed to target the TWO wheel > > drive version. I dont see the extra 50 or so Pounds of front axle making that
> much of a difference in the CG and most 2WDs had a dummy transfer case so not
> much more weight difference there either.. Could it be that the 2WD owners
> try to drive them like cars since they aren't 4WD?
>
> Tim
>


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:31:05 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Numerous web site updates!

The following items have been added to the
Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site:

Two new tech articles:
"Notes on a Volare Front Clip Install On A 1953 F100"
"Building An NP 205 Transfer Case Cradle"

News articles:
-Ford Motor Company To Buy Land Rover From BMW, Expanding
Lineup Of Premium Brands
-2001 Ford Escape prices begin at $18,160
-Ford Explorer celebrates 10th anniversary


The pictorial has *many* additions! Its been a LONG time since
there was such a diverse addition. Note that these are pictorial
submissions through February 20th. Submissions after Feb 20th
will be added next weekend.

2000 Excursion
2000 F250 Superduty Crewcab
1999 F350 Superduty, frame up custom
1999 F350 Superduty 4x4 Crewcab
1996 F150 4x4
1986 F150 XL
1984 F150 XL
1979 Ranchero GT
1978 F150 Ranger
1977 F100
1976 F250
1972 F100
1971 F100 Ranger
1968 F250
1967 F100
1966 F100
1965 F100
1956 Mercury M100 Panel Delivery
1953 F100
1952 F1

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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