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$1488 Later.... 4.10's!!
Re: Gas Prices
Re: Bronco II buildup
Re: $1488 Later.... 4.10's!!
Re: Gas Prices
Spindle bearing
Gears and rears!
Re: Spindle bearing
Re: Bronco II buildup
BII vs. Ranger roll over
Re: $1488 Later.... 4.10's!!
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:07:42 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: $1488 Later.... 4.10's!!
Well, the gear swap is done. There are now 4.10s in the little baby
bronco. Seems that the Dana 28 front was shot in more ways than one, so
we needed a bunch of new bearing for almost everything up fron there.
Rats!
Bad thing is that what was once $1366 is now $1488. I guess the shop
estimate jumped up a little bit..
Positive side is, that all of that stuff is new. This is the third time
in one year that I have replaced the rear end, and the first time ever
for rebuilding the front diff.
I'm glad that I chose the 4.10s over the 4.56s. It's nice and slow now,
very torquey. That's pretty cool, although the 4.56s would have been a
little but TOO slow. The first gear is nice for grunt.
She accelerates quite a bit better now too. I am very happy with the
gear swap. It was well worth it and long over due. Now we're sitting on
4.10s and 31" tires. Pretty good movement ratio now. She climbs those
hills much better.
>My 78 bronco gets about 10-11 in the city, 13 on the fwy and 15 if I
>take it really easy.
>I was amazed that it got 11 mpg when I towed my 68 lincoln home on a 6000
>lbs cartrailer. It seems the wind resistance is the big loss.
>When I took the bronco to the smog nazi a few years ago he downtuned it so
>bad I only got 8 mpg on the freeway, and no power. It's due again in
>july, I'd better remember all the carb & ign settings.
>I would say the main reason your truck gets better mileage than mine is the
>transmission. The overdrive and locking torque converter really help.
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From: "David Wilkins" ipass.net>
Subject: Re: Bronco II buildup
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:21:38 -0500
The whole reason I got onto this list is just to find out what others have done, learn more, and make educated guesses for what I want. Curious though, why go to an auto tranny if you like a clutch so much. From the offroading that I have done, I prefer clutches to auto's. I have driven both, and just don't feel like I have the same control over the truck with the auto.
David
P.S. I live in Raleigh NC, so it would be kinda hard for me to get up with your friend and see his work.
;-)
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:20:07 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Bronco II buildup
Hi David,
You're right. If I were you, I would only throw away bad money. :-)
If my Ranger gets her 5.0, it'll be backed with a AOD or a C4. I too love the
grunt of the clutch, but I have to be financially realistic.
The best things to do are to see what others have done, and use their ideas,
modified to your own purpose to create your own.
Where do you live?
If you're in sonoma county, I'd introduce you to a freind of mine. He's got a
1990 5.0 HO coupled to an AOD in a 1983 Ranger. (Wanna race??) You could see
what he's done, and then take some ideas back to your garage.
Adam
David Wilkins wrote:
> Hey, thanks for the info. I don't want to throw good money away, and it
> sounds like since the T5 to a 2.9 is not transferable to the 5.0, that would
> be a major waste. I think I will go ahead and replace the stock tranny with
> stock for now and look into a complete upgrade later on when I can do it
> properly with more thought.
> >
> >From: Rebel4dMan aol.com
> >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:23:55 EST
> >Subject: Re: keenly following the BII buildup
> >
> >David-
> > Adam is right about the adapter. For your application you would need
> the
> >adapter for a BW 1350 T/C and they are indeed $750. You can get the T-5
> >transmission for '83-'89 2.9L which would apply to you. But you have to be
> >able to cough up the dough, about $1725 for the T-4 plus an additional $250
> >for the 5th gear change over kit to make it a T-5. The gearing is a little
> >high but you get a super strong transmission that you'll need 400 ponies to
> >break. If your planning on swapping in a 5.0, be warned because this
> >transmission will not bolt to a 5.0. You need to get a T-5 that was
> already
> >bolted to a 5.0L. I had an '88 Ranger that I was goin' to swap a 5.0L into
> >but I sold it before I did so. I had an engine and transmission complete
> >with everything it needed to run for $800 lined up. This is considerably
> >cheaper than buying just the transmission from Advanced Adapters.
> Basically,
> >for what you can put a T-5 behind a 2.9L for....you can put a 5.0L followed
> >by a T-5 into your BII. Personally, if you spent the money to put a T-5
> >behind your 2.9L, you didn't think things out well enough. A 5.0L swap is
> a
> >big project but you won't run out of power anytime soon (at least compared
> to
> >your 2.9L). Hope this helps.
> >-Brian
> >'96 Ranger 4X4 5 1/2" Superlift 33X10.50 BFG A/T T/A K/O
> >
> >
Too bad you couldn't just have swapped in a dana 35 for the 28.
With the 235/75/15's instead of the factory 205/75/15's I run just under
3000 RPM 67-70 mph (my speedometer is about 7% off)
(4ALD auto transmission)
I haven't done it, but I think it's a simple gear change where the speedometer
connects to the transmission??
I didn't think it was big a pain when I checked into this awhile back,
but I could be wrong. Some local speed shop ought to be able
to do it. Ask the local transmission or tire shop for recommendations.
As for having work on the 3rd rear end, it's a good thing you didn't go 4:56's.
I've always heard, the higher the gear ratio, the weaker the pinon gear etc.
and associated hardware.
Not weak; just weaker relative to the lower gear ratio.
You might want to start shopping around for a 8.8" rear end out of a
91+ ranger/explorer. :-)
I've been re-reading some of your earlier emails about you engine upgrades.
Will have some questions shortly.
Will see what info I can get about the atlas transfer case from Advanced
Adapters. Worst case is different support for transfer case, as well as having
to lenghten/shorten *both* drive shafts...
(there's an interesting article in the Oct 99 Four Wheeler on the Atlas
transfer case for those that are interested.)
-john
Adam McLaughlin wrote:
> Well, the gear swap is done. There are now 4.10s in the little baby
> bronco. Seems that the Dana 28 front was shot in more ways than one, so
> we needed a bunch of new bearing for almost everything up fron there.
> Rats!
>
> Bad thing is that what was once $1366 is now $1488. I guess the shop
> estimate jumped up a little bit..
>
> Positive side is, that all of that stuff is new. This is the third time
> in one year that I have replaced the rear end, and the first time ever
> for rebuilding the front diff.
>
> I'm glad that I chose the 4.10s over the 4.56s. It's nice and slow now,
> very torquey. That's pretty cool, although the 4.56s would have been a
> little but TOO slow. The first gear is nice for grunt.
>
> She accelerates quite a bit better now too. I am very happy with the
> gear swap. It was well worth it and long over due. Now we're sitting on
> 4.10s and 31" tires. Pretty good movement ratio now. She climbs those
> hills much better.
>
> I could move real well on the highway with 31" and 3.45s, but the engine >
> had to be spinning faster than 2000 RPM to get any speed with it.
>
> Now on to re-calibrating the spedometer. This is something that I am not
> looking forward to, but it's got to be done!
>
> Thanks for all of your help and suggestions.
>
> Adam
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