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97up-list Digest Wed, 28 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 026

In This Issue:
Door Crack - Ford has solution
Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:15:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Door Crack - Ford has solution


An engineering fix was put into place last month for the door
crack issue.  All new doors will incorporate the fix.  Doors
with cracks can be replaced with a new door that incorporates
the fix.  If your door does not yet have the crack, the fix can
be installed. It consists of a brace that prevents door skin
flex.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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From: "Mark Browning" <mab076 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:43:38 -0500


Well I just think its stupid that ford is making people pay for the fix that
are out of warranty... i have a 99 f150 with the crack and they want me to
pay half of it... i think its stupid that there blaming me for the crack...
I think they should recall the doors..


>From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [97up-list] Door Crack - Ford has solution
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:15:15 -0500
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>An engineering fix was put into place last month for the door
>crack issue.  All new doors will incorporate the fix.  Doors
>with cracks can be replaced with a new door that incorporates
>the fix.  If your door does not yet have the crack, the fix can
>be installed. It consists of a brace that prevents door skin
>flex.
>
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>http://www.ford-trucks.com
>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:41 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution


At 09:43 AM 2/28/01, you wrote:

>Well I just think its stupid that ford is making people pay for the fix that
>are out of warranty... i have a 99 f150 with the crack and they want me to
>pay half of it... i think its stupid that there blaming me for the crack...
>I think they should recall the doors..

It is out of warranty and its not a safety issue.  Ask Nissan if
they plan to fix the rust on out of warranty SUVs that develop
on the roof line.  The answer will be no.  No one will cover
a cosmetic item out of warranty except in rare cases.

Ken



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From: "Mark Browning" <mab076 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:07:59 -0500



I HAVE PAINT WARRANTY FOR 10 YEARS I SHOULD JUST USE THAT!!!!
THEY HAVE TO PAINT THE DORR EVERY YEAR THEN!!!

>From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [97up-list] Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:41 -0500
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>At 09:43 AM 2/28/01, you wrote:
>
> >Well I just think its stupid that ford is making people pay for the fix
>that
> >are out of warranty... i have a 99 f150 with the crack and they want me
>to
> >pay half of it... i think its stupid that there blaming me for the
>crack...
> >I think they should recall the doors..
>
>It is out of warranty and its not a safety issue.  Ask Nissan if
>they plan to fix the rust on out of warranty SUVs that develop
>on the roof line.  The answer will be no.  No one will cover
>a cosmetic item out of warranty except in rare cases.
>
>Ken
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:46:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution



>
>I HAVE PAINT WARRANTY FOR 10 YEARS I SHOULD JUST USE THAT!!!!
>THEY HAVE TO PAINT THE DORR EVERY YEAR THEN!!!

Don't scream at me, its not my fault.  Also, what's a "dorr"
and why would you need to paint it?

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Mark Browning" <mab076 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:51:36 -0500


woops I did not mean to yell i'm at work and was typing fast and didn't want
to change the caps after i was done.. sorry Ken.. I didn't mean it..
And dorr is door.. And the reason is that i have paint protection on my
truck and it covers any rust from inside out.. so if the paint cracks from
inside i will get the door painted every year.. kind of makes sense doesn't
it..

Sorry Again Ken..

>From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [97up-list] Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:46:49 -0500
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> >I HAVE PAINT WARRANTY FOR 10 YEARS I SHOULD JUST USE THAT!!!!
> >THEY HAVE TO PAINT THE DORR EVERY YEAR THEN!!!
>
>Don't scream at me, its not my fault.  Also, what's a "dorr"
>and why would you need to paint it?
>
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From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:05:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution


At 10:51 AM 2/28/01, you wrote:
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>woops I did not mean to yell i'm at work and was typing fast and didn't want
>to change the caps after i was done.. sorry Ken.. I didn't mean it..
>And dorr is door.. And the reason is that i have paint protection on my
>truck and it covers any rust from inside out.. so if the paint cracks from
>inside i will get the door painted every year.. kind of makes sense doesn't
>it..
>
>Sorry Again Ken..

I'd press the issue with the paint warranty.  While having
you pay for have the cost would be reasonable under normal
circumstances, the 10 year paint warranty completely changes
this.

Dealers count on very few people using a paint warranty and
its a cash cow for them.  Now its time to see if they are
honorable enough to stand by the warranty.  I didn't know you
had this warranty --- make them pay for it.  Let them know
we're here waiting on the results.... :-)

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts




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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:51:52 -0800
From: Glenn See <glennsee telapex.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution


Mr. Payne....I have owned vehicles for as long as ten years and have never
had one that developed cracks in the sheet metal.  Calling door cracks a
"cosmetic item" is stretching a little.  And then again, it all depends on
what "it" means.

Do you think maybe when trade-in time come the appraiser will call "it" a
cosmetic item?

I believe "it" is a design flaw and "it" will cost Ford Motor Co. more than
the price of a redesigned door.

Glenn See


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:37:51 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution


At 04:51 PM 2/28/01, you wrote:

>Mr. Payne....I have owned vehicles for as long as ten years and have never
>had one that developed cracks in the sheet metal.  Calling door cracks a
>"cosmetic item" is stretching a little.  And then again, it all depends on
>what "it" means.
>
>Do you think maybe when trade-in time come the appraiser will call "it" a
>cosmetic item?
>
>I believe "it" is a design flaw and "it" will cost Ford Motor Co. more than
>the price of a redesigned door.
>
>Glenn See

I supposed everyone with a 61-79 Ford truck ought to demand
Ford replace the sheet-metal by the driver's vent because
leaves accumulate there and cause rust?  After all, this
happens to all of them eventually and effects resell value,
doesn't it?

Even if you don't like the wording, its still a cosmetic
problem.  If a door crack isn't cosmetic, what is it?  Safety?
No. Drive train?  No.  Payload related?  No.  Effects towing?
No.  Calling it a cosmetic flaw is a correct description.

Ford has redesigned the door and made a brace for older
trucks still under warranty.  What else is there to do?

This isn't the first time something like this has happened:

1985-86 Grand Am, Calais - Door latch pillar base cracks
1996-97 Eclipse have door turn cracks
1993-95 Grand Cherokee, sheet metal cracks, creaking from
front door hinge &/or door sags
1988-90 Isuzu I-Mark, dash cowel panel cracks, corroded door hinges
1996-98 Civic, trunk latch warp

I can dig up other examples but I won't bore you with more.
The point is, auto makers do not typically issue recalls for
such items.  Items have to be safety, drive-train or emissions
related.  The odds that Ford will issue a recall for out of
warranty trucks is a long shot whether or not you and I dislike
it.

Ken Payne











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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:44:45 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: New list guidelines


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From: sseeplane juno.com
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:26:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution


Ken,

You give me the impression the consumer shouldn't expect quality from
Ford, despite their "Quality is Job 1" slogan.

Because problems have existed in the past is no basis for their
acceptability.

I thought this was supposed to be an independent newsgroup, not a company
PR outlet.  Silly me.

Steve See


On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:37:51 -0500 Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
writes:

> I supposed everyone with a 61-79 Ford truck ought to demand
> Ford replace the sheet-metal by the driver's vent because
> leaves accumulate there and cause rust?  After all, this
> happens to all of them eventually and effects resell value,
> doesn't it?
>
> Even if you don't like the wording, its still a cosmetic
> problem.  If a door crack isn't cosmetic, what is it?  Safety?
> No. Drive train?  No.  Payload related?  No.  Effects towing?
> No.  Calling it a cosmetic flaw is a correct description.
>
> Ford has redesigned the door and made a brace for older
> trucks still under warranty.  What else is there to do?
>
> This isn't the first time something like this has happened:
>
> 1985-86 Grand Am, Calais - Door latch pillar base cracks
> 1996-97 Eclipse have door turn cracks
> 1993-95 Grand Cherokee, sheet metal cracks, creaking from
> front door hinge &/or door sags
> 1988-90 Isuzu I-Mark, dash cowel panel cracks, corroded door hinges
> 1996-98 Civic, trunk latch warp
>
> I can dig up other examples but I won't bore you with more.
> The point is, auto makers do not typically issue recalls for
> such items.  Items have to be safety, drive-train or emissions
> related.  The odds that Ford will issue a recall for out of
> warranty trucks is a long shot whether or not you and I dislike
> it.
>
> Ken Payne
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:12:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution



>
>Ken,
>
>You give me the impression the consumer shouldn't expect quality from
>Ford, despite their "Quality is Job 1" slogan.
>
>Because problems have existed in the past is no basis for their
>acceptability.
>
>I thought this was supposed to be an independent newsgroup, not a company
>PR outlet.  Silly me.
>
>Steve See

Steve,

Ford has made a fix, all new trucks have it implemented
and they are implementing it on all under warranty
trucks.  I know from documents I've seen that Ford has
been working on an engineering fix for quite some time.
The problem was coming up with a fix that would work on
existing trucks.  Apparently they are successful with it.

I NEVER said I like the fact that vehicles out of
warranty aren't fixed.  As a matter of fact, I ended
my last post with "whether or not you and I dislike
it."

Ford Truck Enthusiasts was the FIRST place this problem
was reported and I'm the one who did it.  FTE brought it
to the public first after I brought it up on the mailing
lists and then followed it up with an article I wrote
about it.

It has been a concern here and you can leave the
accusations elsewhere.  If you're going to question my
integrity, you know little about me and you can leave.
After all, you are a guest.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: JudgeR aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:42:55 EST
Subject: Re: Subscription to forum at http://www.ford-trucks.com/cg

In a message dated 2/28/2001 9:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
admin ford-trucks.com writes:


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From: "Glen Novitsky" <glen.novitsky home.com>
Subject: Re: Door Crack - Ford has solution
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:40:33 -0600




>Ken,
>
>You give me the impression the consumer shouldn't expect quality from
>Ford, despite their "Quality is Job 1" slogan.
>
>Because problems have existed in the past is no basis for their
>acceptability.
>
>I thought this was supposed to be an independent newsgroup, not a company
>PR outlet.  Silly me.
>
>Steve See


Steve,
 You can not simply ask any car maker to fix every problem known to man.
This is a policy that runs throughout the car industry.  Every car made in
history has always had at least ONE (if not 10) things that commonly
happened to them. However, in the past there was no "internet mail lists"
where one person can say hey, "hey my left turn signal keeps running out of
blinker fluid," and the next 20 guys discovered there's does too and thus a
problem.
  Case in point, I owned a '95 Chevrolet Police Package Caprice (Unmarked,
new from factory).  I joined the National Impala SS Owners mail list.  There
were NUMEROUS items in those cars that everyone was finding, like driver
seats that rocked, defroster relays that burn causing them not to work,
external positive (battery) post melting (post near relay box for jumping
cars, etc), 12 cent track washers that were failing causing windows to fall
out of track (so bad, that the club store sells a "fix kit", people had 3 or
4 windows dropping out!), and finally (I'm sure there's more) the positive
post ON THE BATTERY was just breaking off, causing not only the car to be
die, but spilling battery acid over some of the members mint Impala SS's.
Did GM fix any of the above?  Nope, not if out of warranty.  You simply will
not find any car maker in business if they did.
  Its not just about cars, either, lawn mowers, computers, stereo,
dishwashers, etc.. if there's a weak part used its gonna break in all of ....


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