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97up-list Digest Thu, 23 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 191

In This Issue:
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?
Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?
Dreaded door cracks
Re: Dreaded door cracks

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:53:55 -0700
From: Bill Funk <bfunk33 uswest.net>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK

Instead, I'd seriously suggest that Mark consult a lawyer *first*, if he so wishes.
If the money or fix is accepted, then he'll have a hard time getting a judge to seriously
consider any suit; he's accepted Ford's solution and payment, and can't then ask for
more, as a rule.
If a suit is intended, don't accept a settlement with the idea of then suing.
Bill

ORIGINAL POST:
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From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK

Mark Browning wrote:

> Well I got the final answer from ford lst night and they will pay for 50% of
> the repairs on the crack for any ford truck out of warranty... I told him i
> would think about it... I know thought of it and decided to start up a law
> suit against ford.. its there fault and they only want half of the
> responsiblility, forget that.. im not paying for faulty engineering.. i
> don't want to think there implying it half my fault because i bought a ford
> truck!!! well i would love some feed back on this... guys let me know, what
> i should do???
>
> Take Care..
> Mark
> 99 ford f150

Mark,

    Take the $$ and get it fixed.  Then get a lawyer and go get the rest.  I do not
advocate suing but IMHO in this case it would be justified.

Regards
====================


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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:06:35 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK



Mike Williams wrote:

> I contacted both my dealer and Ford about my 98 F150.  The dealer said they
> would contact Ford about a fix and let me know before my warranty expired.
> Their latest response is that Ford doesn't know what causes the crack or how
> to fix it.  I got the same response from Ford and they said that the problem
> with my truck is on file with them and they would honor the warranty for
> this issue even after my warranty expired.  A second call to Ford several
> weeks later confirmed that they do have a record on file.  They said to call
> my dealer every couple of weeks to see if there is a fix yet.  In other
> words keep calling until I give up.  I can't believe that Fords genius
> engineers can't figure this out.  Bottom line is that Ford doesn't want to
> deal with door cracks unless they are forced.
>
> Mike
>

Mike,

     It is not always easy to fix a design flaw and not go broke doing it.
Check out SSM12071, TSB98-4717, TSB99-6754, TSB12071, TSB985029 and TSB7821.
These are all referring to the door crack.  They range in dates from Sept.. 98
to Jan 2000.  Ford is working on a fix, they just haven't found it yet.  You
could always drive, er push, a Chevrolet.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier

PS.  My 2000 has the crack too.


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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:21:09 -0400
From: Mark MacDonald <draft onlinesupport.pe.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?

Well, coming on the end of my ownership of my 98 F-150, I noticed that the
crack was starting to develop. I planned to get rid of the truck anyway, so
I wasn't really worried about it, since when I traded it in, it would still
be under warranty from Ford... Luckily/unluckily I was broadsided on the
drivers door, and they had to replace the door... When the new door came
in, they found that the door had been redesigned and the window mouldings
no longer fit around the window. They had to go back to ford and get the
new mouldings that fit this new style door... IMHO it does not seem to flex
NEAR as much as the old door did.... Don't know if anyone else had this
kind of experience...


At 01:06 PM 11/23/00 -0500, you wrote:


>Mike Williams wrote:
>
> > I contacted both my dealer and Ford about my 98 F150.  The dealer said they
> > would contact Ford about a fix and let me know before my warranty expired.
> > Their latest response is that Ford doesn't know what causes the crack
> or how
> > to fix it.  I got the same response from Ford and they said that the
> problem
> > with my truck is on file with them and they would honor the warranty for
> > this issue even after my warranty expired.  A second call to Ford several
> > weeks later confirmed that they do have a record on file.  They said to
> call
> > my dealer every couple of weeks to see if there is a fix yet.  In other
> > words keep calling until I give up.  I can't believe that Fords genius
> > engineers can't figure this out.  Bottom line is that Ford doesn't want to
> > deal with door cracks unless they are forced.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>Mike,
>
>       It is not always easy to fix a design flaw and not go broke doing it.
>Check out SSM12071, TSB98-4717, TSB99-6754, TSB12071, TSB985029 and TSB7821.
>These are all referring to the door crack.  They range in dates from Sept.. 98
>to Jan 2000.  Ford is working on a fix, they just haven't found it yet.  You
>could always drive, er push, a Chevrolet.
>
>Kindest regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
>
>PS.  My 2000 has the crack too.
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:45:05 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?



Mark MacDonald wrote:

> Well, coming on the end of my ownership of my 98 F-150, I noticed that the
> crack was starting to develop. I planned to get rid of the truck anyway, so
> I wasn't really worried about it, since when I traded it in, it would still
> be under warranty from Ford... Luckily/unluckily I was broadsided on the
> drivers door, and they had to replace the door... When the new door came
> in, they found that the door had been redesigned and the window mouldings
> no longer fit around the window. They had to go back to ford and get the
> new mouldings that fit this new style door... IMHO it does not seem to flex
> NEAR as much as the old door did.... Don't know if anyone else had this
> kind of experience...
>
> At 01:06 PM 11/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>

Mark,

    Would it be possible to get the part number of the new door?  I noticed that
the moulding on my 00 was different from my 97.  It may just be that I have the new
style door.  If so it still cracks regardless of the change.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:05:03 -0400
From: Mark MacDonald <draft onlinesupport.pe.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?

I called the dealer and asked them what the part number was of the door
they replaced, and this is what he told me...


XL3Z-1520124-ca <--- Passenger
XL3Z-1520125-ca <--- Driver

I don't know if it would be different than your numbers, but I think the CA
indicates Canada..






>Mark,
>
>      Would it be possible to get the part number of the new door?  I
> noticed that
>the moulding on my 00 was different from my 97.  It may just be that I
>have the new
>style door.  If so it still cracks regardless of the change.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:47:32 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?



Mark MacDonald wrote:

> I called the dealer and asked them what the part number was of the door
> they replaced, and this is what he told me...
>
> XL3Z-1520124-ca <--- Passenger
> XL3Z-1520125-ca <--- Driver
>
> I don't know if it would be different than your numbers, but I think the CA
> indicates Canada..
>
> >Mark,
> >
> >      Would it be possible to get the part number of the new door?  I
> > noticed that
> >the moulding on my 00 was different from my 97.  It may just be that I
> >have the new
> >style door.  If so it still cracks regardless of the change.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jean Marc Chartier
> >

Mark,

   Thanks for the info.  I will check the pn with my dealer tomorrow.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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From: sseeplane juno.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:44:47 -0600
Subject: Re: DREADED DOOR CRACK - fix?

In case anyone is keeping stats on the population, at 60k on my '98 F-150
SC 4x2  (manual windows) I have acquired the "crack" on the driver's
side.   Approximately 3/16" in length.  Didn't see it at 48k.  Haven't
decided which route to take yet....maybe duct tape..    :)

Thanks,  Mark, will check with dealer next trip into town and verify door
part nos.

Steve

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From: "Ian R. Poyntz" <poyntz canada.com>
Subject: Dreaded door cracks
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:24:19 +0800


While everyone is on the topic of door cracks...  What percentage of 1999 F250 SC SB 4x4 would be affected by the dreaded door cracks.

Does it happen to all doors?

Ian...



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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:54:06 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier <jmc.chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dreaded door cracks



"Ian R. Poyntz" wrote:

> While everyone is on the topic of door cracks...  What percentage of 1999 F250 SC SB 4x4 would be affected by the dreaded door cracks.
>
> Does it happen to all doors?
>
> Ian...
>

Ian,


     None, it is unique to all the 1997-2000, and possibly the 2001,  F-150s and the 1997-99 F-250 LDs.  The stress put on the door panel
when the window hits the top of its run causes the door to flex.  This flex causes the door to crack.  Check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html  for more info.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


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