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1999 E-350
Shock upgrade recomendations
Re: Shock upgrade recomendations
Re: Shock upgrade recomendations
Re: Shock upgrade recomendations
Re: 1999 E-350

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From: "Motordrive" <motor maine.rr.com>
Subject: 1999 E-350
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:39 -0700


Hello,
  I have a 1999 E-350 with a V-10. It has 265 hp., the 2000 model has 305hp. Does anyone know how this horsepower increase was done? A chip or internal motor mods? If is was the chip can I change mine to the 2000 chip? Would it do the same for a 1999? Has anyone ever put duel exhausts on one of these vans? Any info on either would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jim


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From: "Clarke, Gary" <Gary.Clarke per-se.com>
Subject: Shock upgrade recomendations
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:04:45 -0400

HI fellow Ford truck men and women!

I have a 99 F150 XLT SC short bed 5.4, and I'm not happy with the
jumpy/bumpy ride on expansion joint freeways.  The truck tends to bounce a
lot, especially on rebound after hitting a dip, and can even lift me of my
seat as it jumps into the air (so it feels) after coming back up from
hitting a dip in the road.

I'm contemplating new shocks.  I don't however want to go to hard riding
shocks, so I'm thinking of either the Monroe Reflex or Edelbrock IAS that
state they give stiff shock benefits until you hit a bump/pot hole then a
valve opens making the shock act like a soft/comfort shock, then go back to
firm again.  I'm also thinking of Ranch RS9000's, the adjustable shock.

I'm also thinking of adding 300 to 400 pounds of bed ballast (maybe concrete
bags) to help stabilize the ride.  The pogoing from front to back on the
freeway drives me nuts and the wife just hates the truck for this reason.

My question is this, has any of you folks fitted any of the above shocks,
and/or used weight in the bed, and if so,  what was the ride like
afterwards?

I need some help in choosing the right shocks.  The Monroe's cost about half
of what the Edelbrock's cost and sound like they do the same thing.  But
which ones are really better.  Does anyone out there know?

Thanks in advance for your input!



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From: "Bobby Herring" <bherring htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: Shock upgrade recomendations
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:08:23 -0500

I can only relate to the ballast in the bed of a 92 Ranger regular cab short
bed I had. I put about 300 pounds of sand in bags in the back and it rode
like a different truck. Smoothed out the ride and made it a lot more stable.

It had a tendency to road hop around corners and this made the problem go
away.
Bob

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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:05 AM
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Subject: [97up-list] Shock upgrade recomendations


HI fellow Ford truck men and women!

I have a 99 F150 XLT SC short bed 5.4, and I'm not happy with the
jumpy/bumpy ride on expansion joint freeways.  The truck tends to bounce a
lot, especially on rebound after hitting a dip, and can even lift me of my
seat as it jumps into the air (so it feels) after coming back up from
hitting a dip in the road.

I'm also thinking of adding 300 to 400 pounds of bed ballast (maybe concrete
bags) to help stabilize the ride.  The pogoing from front to back on the
freeway drives me nuts and the wife just hates the truck for this reason.

My question is this, has any of you folks fitted any of the above shocks,
and/or used weight in the bed, and if so,  what was the ride like
afterwards?



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From: George Rigney <George.Rigney wsnelson.com>
Subject: Re: Shock upgrade recomendations
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:32:39 -0500

Dear Gary,

Gabriel makes some shocks of a similar design.  They really improved the
ride on my '74 Torino, but the shocks were 15 years old when I changed them
so maybe ANY shocks would have made an improvement.  It rides well on New
Orleans streets, some of which should qualify as off-road driving.  I have
no experience with Edelbrocks, but the Monroes I had on my old Crown Vic
were superb.

Putting weight directly over the back wheels will help rear hop, but you may
not need that much.  Try a couple of 50lb sand bags, then add more if you
need it.  Concrete is not a good idea.  After the first rainstorm, you may
need a mason's hammer to get 'em out the bed.  I've seen people build little
walls to support bridges over drainage ditches by stacking bags of concrete
and soaking them thoroughly with a hose.  After the concrete hardens, you
tear the bags away and presto!

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1999 F250 SD CC V10
2000 Ranger

-----Original Message-----
From: Clarke, Gary [mailto:Gary.Clarke per-se.com]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:05 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [97up-list] Shock upgrade recomendations


HI fellow Ford truck men and women!

I have a 99 F150 XLT SC short bed 5.4, and I'm not happy with the
jumpy/bumpy ride on expansion joint freeways.  The truck tends to bounce a
lot, especially on rebound after hitting a dip, and can even lift me of my
seat as it jumps into the air (so it feels) after coming back up from
hitting a dip in the road.

I'm contemplating new shocks.  I don't however want to go to hard riding
shocks, so I'm thinking of either the Monroe Reflex or Edelbrock IAS that
state they give stiff shock benefits until you hit a bump/pot hole then a
valve opens making the shock act like a soft/comfort shock, then go back to
firm again.  I'm also thinking of Ranch RS9000's, the adjustable shock.

I'm also thinking of adding 300 to 400 pounds of bed ballast (maybe concrete
bags) to help stabilize the ride.  The pogoing from front to back on the
freeway drives me nuts and the wife just hates the truck for this reason.

My question is this, has any of you folks fitted any of the above shocks,
and/or used weight in the bed, and if so,  what was the ride like
afterwards?

I need some help in choosing the right shocks.  The Monroe's cost about half
of what the Edelbrock's cost and sound like they do the same thing.  But
which ones are really better.  Does anyone out there know?

Thanks in advance for your input!


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From: Stan Wright <swright hpcisp.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:16:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Shock upgrade recomendations

I just put on a set of Edelbrocks on my Superduty, and the difference is
amazing.  It rides and handles s-o-o-o-o much better.

I can't recommend Edelbrock vs. Rancho vs. whoever since I've only had the
Edelbrocks.  People like both.  I'd see either one will make you smile.

"Clarke, Gary" wrote:

> HI fellow Ford truck men and women!
>
> I have a 99 F150 XLT SC short bed 5.4, and I'm not happy with the
> jumpy/bumpy ride on expansion joint freeways.  The truck tends to bounce a
> lot, especially on rebound after hitting a dip, and can even lift me of my
> seat as it jumps into the air (so it feels) after coming back up from
> hitting a dip in the road.
>
> I'm contemplating new shocks.  I don't however want to go to hard riding
> shocks, so I'm thinking of either the Monroe Reflex or Edelbrock IAS that
> state they give stiff shock benefits until you hit a bump/pot hole then a
> valve opens making the shock act like a soft/comfort shock, then go back to
> firm again.  I'm also thinking of Ranch RS9000's, the adjustable shock.
>
> I'm also thinking of adding 300 to 400 pounds of bed ballast (maybe concrete
> bags) to help stabilize the ride.  The pogoing from front to back on the
> freeway drives me nuts and the wife just hates the truck for this reason.
>
> My question is this, has any of you folks fitted any of the above shocks,
> and/or used weight in the bed, and if so,  what was the ride like
> afterwards?
>
> I need some help in choosing the right shocks.  The Monroe's cost about half
> of what the Edelbrock's cost and sound like they do the same thing.  But
> which ones are really better.  Does anyone out there know?
>
> Thanks in advance for your input!
>
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From: "Steve J. Hodson" <hodsonsj mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 1999 E-350
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:28:40 -0400

Wish it were that easy.  Ford changed the valve grind angle and cam timing
along with computer mods to adjust ignition and fuel settings.  A new chip
won't do the job.
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From: Motordrive <motor maine.rr.com>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: [97up-list] 1999 E-350


>
>Hello,
>   I have a 1999 E-350 with a V-10. It has 265 hp., the 2000 model has
305hp. Does anyone know how this horsepower increase was done? A chip or
internal motor mods? If is was the chip can I change mine to the 2000 chip?
Would it do the same for a 1999? Has anyone ever put duel exhausts on one of
these vans? Any info on either would be appreciated.
>Thanks
>Jim
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:40:28 -0700
Subject: Re: 00 f250 problems AND Shock upgrade recomendations
From: Dave Santo <dhsanto home.com>

>    00 f250 problems on the SuperDuty list:
>
> I just bought a 2000 F-250 CC 4x4 V10 and have a few questions. I did not
> get the overload springs in the back nor did I get the HD springs in the
> front. Therefore my truck sits lower than most. I did not get the 265 but
> rather the basic 235's because I am going to get some BFG AT KO's soon but,
> what size will fit. According to Nat Tire I can get 33s but  my truck does
> not sit as high as the average f250 4x4. I would assume that 285/75/16 would
> work but do not know.

I have (virtually) the same truck, except SuperCab, not CC.

Have you actually measured it and compared measurements? Or, are you just
getting an "impression" that there's a difference? I have the rear
"overload" spring and I was under the impression that that particular leaf
ONLY COMES INTO PLAY ***** IF ***** you LOAD UP THE BED or PULL A
TRAILER(travel or 5th). I also did not get the HD fronts. I ordered my '00
with the standard 235/85/16's and after I took delivery, I drove straight to
the Tire Shop and told them I wanted the largest tires that would fit on an
unmodified vehicle. They recommended, and I put on, 295/75/16's (BFG AT
KO's, just like you want). I've had no problems with this setup. Not much
highway noise. Very bearable. At about 8,000 miles, currently, I estimate I
may get 25-30,000 miles out of them. Don't really know, though.

> Also my truck seems to bounce/vibrate after an bumps in the road. My dodge
> had this problem when the track bar bushings were going bad. Would the
> Edelbrock shocks clean this up or am I stuck witht the bounce?

I stuck E-IAS's all-around and they cut out the harshness of the bumps and
hops, HOWEVER, the bouncy-ness still exists (on those horrible concrete
seamed highways) and has gotten more annoying over the past year. (In
addition to my back getting worse. DJD.) About the middle of July I had a
Rancho front-end leveling-kit installed and Dana Velvet-Ride shackles on the
rear and I really do not notice much, if any, improvement in the rear ride.
I can't tell, but, with the extra springs of the Rancho F.E.L.K, I think the
front-end is bouncier than stock. It almost has to be.

[snip]

> I am overall not happy with the ride of this truck and coming from a 3/4 ton
> HD Dodge 4x4 with a cummins you would think that it would be MUCH better but
> it is not that much better. I plan on adding Firestone Airbags in the back
> to get a better loaded ride and possibly a set of Edelbrock performance IAS
> shock (they are the best not rancho)

Funny as it may seem, JUST TODAY, I ordered 4 Rancho 9000's. I'm going to
see if there is any difference in the ride. I currently have a full set of
(4) IAS's for "normal" heights and 2 fronts for "less than 4? inches of
lift." You may wish to keep me in mind when it comes time to buy, should you
choose IAS's, as, I may have some to sell!   dhsanto home.com

> Is the chip upgrade the only way to get the auto to shift harder? I have
> plenty of power to pull but the shift seems sloppy and could use a little
> boost. The v10 overall is great with even 12 MPG now with 2k on the engine
> although I have noticed the surge previously mentioned while under loaded
> conditions albeit small but noticeable.

Go take a peek at:  http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bankspower.com/GBford.html
I bought the TransCommand and it (seemed to have) firmed up the shifts.
There's another product called OttoMind that's supposed to correct air-fuel
mixtures. It wasn't available, back in June, when I got the Gale Banks
PowerPack for my truck. Ohhhhhhh, how smooth it is! Along with a K&N FIPK
and a Granatelli MotorSports Mass AirFlow Sensor, 10-10.6mpg streets(w/heavy
right foot), 13mpg freeway(same foot, 75-80mph, hills, flat, etc.), BUT on
straight and level freeway, 65-70mph, cruise on 16.7 MPG! Minor weight in
Bed, no trailer.

******************************************************
>   Shock upgrade recommendations on the 97up list
>
> I have a 99 F150 XLT SC short bed 5.4, and I'm not happy with the
> jumpy/bumpy ride on expansion joint freeways.  The truck tends to bounce a
> lot, especially on rebound after hitting a dip, and can even lift me of my
> seat as it jumps into the air (so it feels) after coming back up from
> hitting a dip in the road.
>
> I'm contemplating new shocks.  I don't however want to go to hard riding
> shocks, so I'm thinking of either the Monroe Reflex or Edelbrock IAS that
> state they give stiff shock benefits until you hit a bump/pot hole then a
> valve opens making the shock act like a soft/comfort shock, then go back to
> firm again.  I'm also thinking of Ranch RS9000's, the adjustable shock.

I could be wrong, but, I think Monroe = Rancho or vice versa. See above
about E-IAS's from MY point of view. Others (dealers) I've spoken with tell
me I'm nuts. They say that they've NEVER had ANYONE complain about IAS's or
return under the 30-day money-back guarantee. Maybe I'm just "special."

> I'm also thinking of adding 300 to 400 pounds of bed ballast (maybe concrete
> bags) to help stabilize the ride.  The pogoing from front to back on the
> freeway drives me nuts and the wife just hates the truck for this reason.
>
> My question is this, has any of you folks fitted any of the above shocks,
> and/or used weight in the bed, and if so,  what was the ride like
> afterwards?

Again, see above. I'm hoping that the 9000's are going to be better than the
IAS's. As far as putting weight in the bed. Extra weight may improve the
ride, and, to some extent (how much???) it may reduce fuel mileage. Don't
know.
>
> I need some help in choosing the right shocks.  The Monroe's cost about half
> of what the Edelbrock's cost and sound like they do the same thing.  But
> which ones are really better.  Does anyone out there know?

Call up Rancho (1-800-GO-Rancho) and ask about Monroe shocks. Like I said
above, Monroe may = Rancho.


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