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97up-list Digest Wed, 30 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 154

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Re: Extended Warranty
Re: Extended Warranty
Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
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From: "Keith Veren" <spectrum-ehs worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Warranty
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:03:59 -0400

Sounds like the automatic knock-detection device has been mis-calibrated to
advance the timing into the knock range on regular instead of just below the
knock range.  It would be interesting to see if slightly retarding the
timing would solve the problem.  To bad it is not as easy as it was in '67,
just turn the distributor a tad counterclockwise.  In any event, your
description of their mechanics seems right on target.  If you really want
your truck to run good, you may want to consider getting or "asking to use"
a computer re-calibration device.  I think HyperTech makes one (however, I
do not know if they only make ones for GM though.)

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty


> Keith
>
> I know, it was in the shop 15 times for the problem and for except the
last
> 2 times, the replaced a ton of parts.  The last 2 times was one for the
> regional rep to look at the truck (literally) and the second was the for
> engineer to put it on the computer and tell me "I am driving the truck
> wrong" and "that's they way Ford designed it".  If I could of killed this
> guy I would of.  I told him my drive to work is on roads that the speed
> limit is 40-50, that is the exact range were the engine pings the worst.
He
> said "drive faster and it wont happen".  That's when I told him he was a
> F'en a' hole (sorry).
>
> I have cleared up the problem and the engine runs smoother by putting in
> colder plugs and running 93 fuel.  This sucks because it cost more money
but
> its not worth fighting them without a lawyer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Veren
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:04 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
>
>
> Spark-knock and still nobody can fix it?  Sound like they did not put a
> top-notch mechanic on it or break-down the engine and look for potential
> problems from a non-computer point of view (e.g., missing or broken cam
> timing components, etc.).  I have seen this crap much too often.  Once, a
> friend of mine purchased a brand-new Mazda (626, I think) in
198...something
> and from day one he complained about a loud underhood or in-the-door
rattle
> when hitting bumps.  The mechanic heard it, the sales men heard it,
> everybody heard it.  They spend days trying to fix it.  When I heard the
> story, I said lets go for a ride.  I heard it.  Opened the hood, took a
> light rubber hammer and lightly vibrated various areas.  Hit one area near
> the infamous "coffee-can" emission vapor recovery component and heard
> "bbrrrraaaapppp", it was the noise.  Looked around, buckle latch at bottom
> was not secured and closed.  Snapped it shut, problem solved.  This should
> have been found in 5 minutes by the dealer's mechanic on day one, not by a
> toxicologist that loves rebuilding old cars.  Especially since the
customer
> has lost days of vehicle use, time, effort, enjoyment, etc.
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
> To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:43 AM
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
>
>
> > Yea there is a lemon law, the problem it only cover up to 18K.  I have
> 27K.
> > I do have a lawyer working on my problem now.  He says I cant go for the
> > lemon law but I can sue for breach of warranty.  I will keep you posted.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of MFAPHOTO aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:16 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/25/00 5:40:55 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:
> >
> > << Well Jay
> >
> > Here is my story.  I own a 99 Ranger which has had a problem from day 1.
> > The engine has spark knock.  It has been in the shop over 15 times and
> Ford
> > has replace almost every emission component.  I bought the extended
> warranty
> > so all parts were covered both by the standard and extended.  The truck
> > still has the problem and Ford basically refuses to fix it.  They did
> > however extend my warranty to cover 5 years 100K miles. (Go figure, they
> say
> > there is nothing wrong yet they up my warranty)
> >  >>
> >
> > Is there a lemon law in your state? If I remember correctly, Ford gets
> three
> > cracks at fixing the problem, then they are supposed to give you a new
> > vehicle if the problem can't be fixed. Of course, I'd give them a
> reasonable
> > amount of time as long as they are trying to fix it. Since your problem
> does
> > not seem fixable, maybe  the only cure for your problem is a new engine.
> > Possibly you should demand that or go to court at this point!
> >
> > Russ
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From: "Joe" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Warranty
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:17:23 -0400

Yea I would like to get my hands on a computer re-calibration device.  Maybe
someone out there knows were I can get one for Ford.  You right, HyperTech
only makes it for GM right now.

-----Original Message-----
From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Veren
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:04 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty


Sounds like the automatic knock-detection device has been mis-calibrated to
advance the timing into the knock range on regular instead of just below the
knock range.  It would be interesting to see if slightly retarding the
timing would solve the problem.  To bad it is not as easy as it was in '67,
just turn the distributor a tad counterclockwise.  In any event, your
description of their mechanics seems right on target.  If you really want
your truck to run good, you may want to consider getting or "asking to use"
a computer re-calibration device.  I think HyperTech makes one (however, I
do not know if they only make ones for GM though.)

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty


> Keith
>
> I know, it was in the shop 15 times for the problem and for except the
last
> 2 times, the replaced a ton of parts.  The last 2 times was one for the
> regional rep to look at the truck (literally) and the second was the for
> engineer to put it on the computer and tell me "I am driving the truck
> wrong" and "that's they way Ford designed it".  If I could of killed this
> guy I would of.  I told him my drive to work is on roads that the speed
> limit is 40-50, that is the exact range were the engine pings the worst.
He
> said "drive faster and it wont happen".  That's when I told him he was a
> F'en a' hole (sorry).
>
> I have cleared up the problem and the engine runs smoother by putting in
> colder plugs and running 93 fuel.  This sucks because it cost more money
but
> its not worth fighting them without a lawyer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Veren
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:04 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
>
>
> Spark-knock and still nobody can fix it?  Sound like they did not put a
> top-notch mechanic on it or break-down the engine and look for potential
> problems from a non-computer point of view (e.g., missing or broken cam
> timing components, etc.).  I have seen this crap much too often.  Once, a
> friend of mine purchased a brand-new Mazda (626, I think) in
198...something
> and from day one he complained about a loud underhood or in-the-door
rattle
> when hitting bumps.  The mechanic heard it, the sales men heard it,
> everybody heard it.  They spend days trying to fix it.  When I heard the
> story, I said lets go for a ride.  I heard it.  Opened the hood, took a
> light rubber hammer and lightly vibrated various areas.  Hit one area near
> the infamous "coffee-can" emission vapor recovery component and heard
> "bbrrrraaaapppp", it was the noise.  Looked around, buckle latch at bottom
> was not secured and closed.  Snapped it shut, problem solved.  This should
> have been found in 5 minutes by the dealer's mechanic on day one, not by a
> toxicologist that loves rebuilding old cars.  Especially since the
customer
> has lost days of vehicle use, time, effort, enjoyment, etc.
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
> To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:43 AM
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
>
>
> > Yea there is a lemon law, the problem it only cover up to 18K.  I have
> 27K.
> > I do have a lawyer working on my problem now.  He says I cant go for the
> > lemon law but I can sue for breach of warranty.  I will keep you posted.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of MFAPHOTO aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:16 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/25/00 5:40:55 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:
> >
> > << Well Jay
> >
> > Here is my story.  I own a 99 Ranger which has had a problem from day 1.
> > The engine has spark knock.  It has been in the shop over 15 times and
> Ford
> > has replace almost every emission component.  I bought the extended
> warranty
> > so all parts were covered both by the standard and extended.  The truck
> > still has the problem and Ford basically refuses to fix it.  They did
> > however extend my warranty to cover 5 years 100K miles. (Go figure, they
> say
> > there is nothing wrong yet they up my warranty)
> >  >>
> >
> > Is there a lemon law in your state? If I remember correctly, Ford gets
> three
> > cracks at fixing the problem, then they are supposed to give you a new
> > vehicle if the problem can't be fixed. Of course, I'd give them a
> reasonable
> > amount of time as long as they are trying to fix it. Since your problem
> does
> > not seem fixable, maybe  the only cure for your problem is a new engine.
> > Possibly you should demand that or go to court at this point!
> >
> > Russ
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From: "Jeff Baker" <jbaker5 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:51:12 -0400

I have a 97 F150 SC SB 4x4 with the 4.6L My tires are stock 255/70R16 and I get
about 19.2 mpg highway and about 14.5-15.5 around town. Around town tends to
vary based on the number Mustangs 5.0 and 4.6 I sit next to at stop lights. Love
the low end torque!!

Jeff


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From: kolisekm att.net
Subject: Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:04:24 +0000

Why am I going back down in tire size????  Don't need the
extra width, since I don't do any off roading.  Was tired
of compensating (in my mind) for the 5% difference in
speed versus speedo reading, and got higher load range
(E), and better quality tire with the Michelins I picked
up.  Originally had C's.

Pardon the errors in the original post.  Hopefully the
order of the numbers for all of the tire sizes didn't
confuse anyone!!  I have LT245/75R16, NOT LT245R75/16.

>
> From: "Watkins, Robert (GEP)" <Robert.Watkins gepex.ge.com>
> Subject: Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:44:45 -0400
>
> Out of curiosity, why are you going back down in tire size?
>
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
>
>
> I've got a 1997 F250 LD, SC, 5.4 L, 3.73 Rear, 4 speed
> automatic, 2WD.  The truck weighs in at 5000 lbs.  Over
> about a year's time, I've been averaging between 14-16
> mpg in combined driving (city/highway), and between 7-9
> mpg towing a 5000 lbs. plus travel trailer.  I have to
> admit to being somewhat of a lead foot, towing at 65 mph
> and up.  The airconditioning seems to affect the mpg by
> 1-2 mpg.  One of these days, I'll try towing at 55 mph to
> see what it does to mileage!!!  The tires were
> LT265R75/16, although the door sticker calls for
> P255R70/16.  It throws my speedo off a bit (about 5%).  I
> just replaced the front tires with LT245R75/16, which are
> within 1% of the "stock", and will get the same for the
> rears when they are due.

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