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97up-list Digest Tue, 29 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 153

In This Issue:
Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Re: Extended Warranty

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From: kolisekm att.net
Subject: Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:20:29 +0000

I've got a 1997 F250 LD, SC, 5.4 L, 3.73 Rear, 4 speed
automatic, 2WD.  The truck weighs in at 5000 lbs.  Over
about a year's time, I've been averaging between 14-16
mpg in combined driving (city/highway), and between 7-9
mpg towing a 5000 lbs. plus travel trailer.  I have to
admit to being somewhat of a lead foot, towing at 65 mph
and up.  The airconditioning seems to affect the mpg by
1-2 mpg.  One of these days, I'll try towing at 55 mph to
see what it does to mileage!!!  The tires were
LT265R75/16, although the door sticker calls for
P255R70/16.  It throws my speedo off a bit (about 5%).  I
just replaced the front tires with LT245R75/16, which are
within 1% of the "stock", and will get the same for the
rears when they are due.

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From: "Watkins, Robert (GEP)" <Robert.Watkins gepex.ge.com>
Subject: Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:44:45 -0400

Out of curiosity, why are you going back down in tire size?

Subject: [97up-list] Re: 5.4 Mileage and Tires


I've got a 1997 F250 LD, SC, 5.4 L, 3.73 Rear, 4 speed
automatic, 2WD.  The truck weighs in at 5000 lbs.  Over
about a year's time, I've been averaging between 14-16
mpg in combined driving (city/highway), and between 7-9
mpg towing a 5000 lbs. plus travel trailer.  I have to
admit to being somewhat of a lead foot, towing at 65 mph
and up.  The airconditioning seems to affect the mpg by
1-2 mpg.  One of these days, I'll try towing at 55 mph to
see what it does to mileage!!!  The tires were
LT265R75/16, although the door sticker calls for
P255R70/16.  It throws my speedo off a bit (about 5%).  I
just replaced the front tires with LT245R75/16, which are
within 1% of the "stock", and will get the same for the
rears when they are due.
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From: "Joe" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Warranty
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:18:37 -0400

Keith

I know, it was in the shop 15 times for the problem and for except the last
2 times, the replaced a ton of parts.  The last 2 times was one for the
regional rep to look at the truck (literally) and the second was the for
engineer to put it on the computer and tell me "I am driving the truck
wrong" and "that's they way Ford designed it".  If I could of killed this
guy I would of.  I told him my drive to work is on roads that the speed
limit is 40-50, that is the exact range were the engine pings the worst.  He
said "drive faster and it wont happen".  That's when I told him he was a
F'en a' hole (sorry).

I have cleared up the problem and the engine runs smoother by putting in
colder plugs and running 93 fuel.  This sucks because it cost more money but
its not worth fighting them without a lawyer.

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From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Veren
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:04 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty


Spark-knock and still nobody can fix it?  Sound like they did not put a
top-notch mechanic on it or break-down the engine and look for potential
problems from a non-computer point of view (e.g., missing or broken cam
timing components, etc.).  I have seen this crap much too often.  Once, a
friend of mine purchased a brand-new Mazda (626, I think) in 198...something
and from day one he complained about a loud underhood or in-the-door rattle
when hitting bumps.  The mechanic heard it, the sales men heard it,
everybody heard it.  They spend days trying to fix it.  When I heard the
story, I said lets go for a ride.  I heard it.  Opened the hood, took a
light rubber hammer and lightly vibrated various areas.  Hit one area near
the infamous "coffee-can" emission vapor recovery component and heard
"bbrrrraaaapppp", it was the noise.  Looked around, buckle latch at bottom
was not secured and closed.  Snapped it shut, problem solved.  This should
have been found in 5 minutes by the dealer's mechanic on day one, not by a
toxicologist that loves rebuilding old cars.  Especially since the customer
has lost days of vehicle use, time, effort, enjoyment, etc.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:43 AM
Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty


> Yea there is a lemon law, the problem it only cover up to 18K.  I have
27K.
> I do have a lawyer working on my problem now.  He says I cant go for the
> lemon law but I can sue for breach of warranty.  I will keep you posted.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:97up-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of MFAPHOTO aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:16 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [97up-list] Re: Extended Warranty
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/25/00 5:40:55 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:
>
> << Well Jay
>
> Here is my story.  I own a 99 Ranger which has had a problem from day 1.
> The engine has spark knock.  It has been in the shop over 15 times and
Ford
> has replace almost every emission component.  I bought the extended
warranty
> so all parts were covered both by the standard and extended.  The truck
> still has the problem and Ford basically refuses to fix it.  They did
> however extend my warranty to cover 5 years 100K miles. (Go figure, they
say
> there is nothing wrong yet they up my warranty)
>  >>
>
> Is there a lemon law in your state? If I remember correctly, Ford gets
three
> cracks at fixing the problem, then they are supposed to give you a new
> vehicle if the problem can't be fixed. Of course, I'd give them a
reasonable
> amount of time as long as they are trying to fix it. Since your problem
does
> not seem fixable, maybe  the only cure for your problem is a new engine.
> Possibly you should demand that or go to court at this point!
>
> Russ
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