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From: owner-97up-list-digest To: 97up-list-digest Subject: 97up-list-digest V3 #19 Reply-To: 97up-list Sender: owner-97up-list-digest Errors-To: owner-97up-list-digest Precedence: bulk 97up-list-digest Friday, January 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 019 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? FTE 97up - Re: Super Duty axle weights FTE 97up - excursion..... Re: FTE 97up - What happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? Re: FTE 97up - excursion..... Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? FTE 97up - Excursion Question Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question Re: FTE 97up - excursion..... Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question Re: FTE 97up - 99 superduty lift question. Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question RE: FTE 97up - Excursion Question Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? FTE 97up - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN! FTE 97up - Cold shifts? Re: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? Re: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? Re: FTE 97up - Re: coolant change ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:57:41 -0600 From: Bob Wickline Subject: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? I live in the Ft. Worth, TX area. Seem forever the price of diesel fuel has hovered within a couple cents around the price of 87-octane gas. Since the recent flucuations the price has gone way up. 87-octane gas is going for around $1.149 while diesel fuel is around $1.259 (at some stations, this is higher than the "super-unleaded"). Did some tax or surcharge happen to cause this? Bob Wickline wick (817) 312-8970 (888) 501-2850 pager == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:18:36 EST From: RAMWORKER Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? In a message dated 1/20/00 7:59:44 AM Central Standard Time, wick writes: > I live in the Ft. Worth, TX area. Me too! > Seem forever the price of diesel fuel has > hovered within a couple cents around the price of 87-octane gas. > > Since the recent flucuations the price has gone way up. 87-octane gas is > going for around $1.149 Where are you finding it that cheap? In my area, most unleaded is running ~$1.229 to $1.269 > while diesel fuel is around $1.259 (at some stations, > this is higher than the "super-unleaded"). Did some tax or surcharge happen > to cause this? Winter time, home heating oil is made from the same crude oil stocks. But, I'm hearing that in Georgia, Diesel fuel is back under $1.00 again. So I'm without a real good explanation. Can anybody else explain the discrepancy? Best Regards, Robert == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Super Duty axle weights Harald, thanks for the reply, but I need the number for a Crewcab as I suspect it will be a lot heavier than a Supercab. I should get this confirmed by another great guy, who is weighing his 99 F250 CC LWB SRW 4X4 V10 Auto XLT later this week. Thanks anyway! Regards! Keith. - ------------------------------ "Harald Stenger" I can't remember who asked, but I finally got around to checking my notes on axle weights. I have a 99 F350 SC LWB SRW 4X4 V10 XLT with almost all options. Weighed it when it was new and the front axle was 4000 lbs and the rear was 2700 lbs. The only thing I can't remember was if I had the spare tire installed when I weighed it, so that would change the value slightly. I do have Torklift frame mounted camper tie downs installed, so that adds I'm guessing 50 lbs to the rear axle. Hope this helps. BTW, for you diesel guys, add about 500 lbs to the front axle. Harald __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:13:17 EST From: V10EXCURSION4X4 Subject: FTE 97up - excursion..... hey everyone, i finally bought an excursion. v10 4x4 xlt. it is so great to drive. it gets about 15 mpg highway and 9-10 city. it is just a great vehicle, i love it. my wife hates to drive it, but that's a good thing!! i don't know how else to say it, it's just an awesome truck. bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:08:32 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? $1.459 a gallon here in Northern Illinois. That's a nickel increase within a week. And that "winter-blend" gallon doesn't get me as far as what your probably using down in sunny Texas. I'm sure those in California think your getting off cheap from what they been paying all along. Bob Wickline wrote: > I live in the Ft. Worth, TX area. diesel fuel is around $1.259 > Did some tax or surcharge happen to cause this? > > Bob Wickline > wick > (817) 312-8970 > (888) 501-2850 pager > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:18:57 -0800 From: "family email" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? > But, I'm hearing that in Georgia, Diesel fuel is back under $1.00 again. > So I'm without a real good explanation. Can anybody else explain > the discrepancy? Sure one Word OPEC. Seriously thou crude is now over 29 bucks a barrell. Consider your self lucky , up here in Minn, 87 is at 1.40 and deisel is at 1.50(blended) Talk about expensive Ken O == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:26:26 EST From: "Christian Bagley" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - excursion..... Congrats on your purchase. I'm sure that's one awesome beast to drive. Have fun. Chris >From: V10EXCURSION4X4 >Reply-To: 97up-list >To: 97up-list >Subject: FTE 97up - excursion..... >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:13:17 EST > >hey everyone, i finally bought an excursion. v10 4x4 xlt. it is so >great >to drive. it gets about 15 mpg highway and 9-10 city. it is just a great >vehicle, i love it. my wife hates to drive it, but that's a good thing!! >i don't know how else to say it, it's just an awesome truck. > >bill ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:03:08 -0800 From: "mlester" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? In southern Calif it just went up to $1.62 per gal. A couple of weeks ago it was 1.69 then went down to 1.59 now 1.62 In the mid 1970's it was about . 25 cents a gallon cheaper than gasoline and because of the rationing they then increased the tax by .25 to make it parallel with gasoline Now it is .13 more than unleaded gas. Incidently, our 87 Octane is $1.49 Best wishes Martial Lester - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Wickline To: 97up-list Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 6:00 AM Subject: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? >I live in the Ft. Worth, TX area. Seem forever the price of diesel fuel has hovered within a couple cents around the price of 87-octane gas. > >Since the recent flucuations the price has gone way up. 87-octane gas is going for around $1.149 while diesel fuel is around $1.259 (at some stations, this is higher than the "super-unleaded"). Did some tax or surcharge happen to cause this? > > >Bob Wickline >wick >(817) 312-8970 >(888) 501-2850 pager > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:04:13 -0800 From: "family email" Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion Question Stupid question, Guys Where the heck(hell) is the switch for the heated mirrors. The only switch that I can find next to the 4x4 selector is the rear defroster Thanks Ken 00 Excursion PSD == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:42:56 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question I'm not sure on Excusion, but for all other Ford vehicles, the Heated mirrors are either automatic, or they come on with the rear defroster. Nathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "family email" To: <97up-list Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion Question > Stupid question, Guys > > Where the heck(hell) is the switch for the heated mirrors. > > The only switch that I can find next to the 4x4 selector is the rear > defroster > > Thanks > > Ken > 00 Excursion PSD > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:34:52 -0700 From: "Wayne Steele" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - excursion..... I agree. I've had my Excursion about a week now and I love it! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <97up-list Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: FTE 97up - excursion..... > hey everyone, i finally bought an excursion. v10 4x4 xlt. it is so great > to drive. it gets about 15 mpg highway and 9-10 city. it is just a great > vehicle, i love it. my wife hates to drive it, but that's a good thing!! > i don't know how else to say it, it's just an awesome truck. > > bill > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:42:27 -0700 From: "Wayne Steele" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question That same switch activates the heated mirrors. - ----- Original Message ----- From: family email To: <97up-list Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion Question > Stupid question, Guys > > Where the heck(hell) is the switch for the heated mirrors. > > The only switch that I can find next to the 4x4 selector is the rear > defroster > > Thanks > > Ken > 00 Excursion PSD > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:57:56 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 superduty lift question. I had the same one on my '99 F-350 LWB-V-10, especial since I through a snow plow on it in the winter to clear my and my family's driveways. I also wanted the truck to sit dead-level when parked on level ground, rather than ass-high snout-low stock (I got mine with the original 4-inch tall rear spring mounts). I settled with the TuffCountry special 3.5" package but substituted the diesel springs for the V-10 springs after talking to the owner because my plow weighs 850 to 900 pounds and will "soften-up the stronger diesel front springs enough to give a perfect ride, plow on or off. Also needed a few of the minor front-end parts (sway-bar drop links, etc.) and new stronger and longer shocks (they also sell a strong pair for the rear to match). So far, I could not be happier. When I lift my plow off the ground using the control inside, the front end goes down just a hair (1/2 to 3/4 inch), but during the summer, when driving around with now plow (remember, I still have 200 pounds of beefy steel plow frame reinforcement under the front that stays there) it sits great. People (other SuperDuty owners, esp.) always walk up to me and ask me how I got it to sit so nice. Because the 4-inch rear stock mounts instead of the 2-inch they changed to and the 3-1/2 inch front lift, when parked next to a new F-350 it really looks better, about 10 to 15% bigger. Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Walker To: <97up-list-digest Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: FTE 97up - 99 superduty lift question. I am trying to decide between a 2 ½ inch front lift and a four inch complete lift for my 99 250sd v10. My main concern is the balance between on road derivability and increased off road performance. I spend most of my time on road and weekly pull a large trailer. However, I have gotten stuck occasionally off road, most often when going over narrow gullies or streams. When I get stuck the truck seems to be "balanced" on opposite corners and looses traction to two wheels. I would also like to move up to 35-inch tires. Which lift type would do the most to improve off road ability without sacrificing on road performance? Thanks for your time- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:05:47 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question family email wrote: > > Stupid question, Guys > > Where the heck(hell) is the switch for the heated mirrors. > > The only switch that I can find next to the 4x4 selector is the rear > defroster > > Thanks > > Ken > 00 Excursion PSD > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Ken, I am not sure because the only vehicle that I had with heated mirrors was a 96 Sable. In the case of my Sable they came on with the rear window defrost. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:41:18 -0600 From: jmann Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Excursion Question Most heated mirrors that I've ever seen at full time heat or work off of the heater/defrost controls. I've never seen a switch for heated mirrors. Ever. Joe - -----Original Message----- From: Jean Marc Chartier [mailto:jmc.chartier Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:06 PM To: 97up-list Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion Question family email wrote: > > Stupid question, Guys > > Where the heck(hell) is the switch for the heated mirrors. > > The only switch that I can find next to the 4x4 selector is the rear > defroster > > Thanks > > Ken > 00 Excursion PSD > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Ken, I am not sure because the only vehicle that I had with heated mirrors was a 96 Sable. In the case of my Sable they came on with the rear window defrost. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:22:32 EST From: Speir2 Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What the Heck happened to the Price of Diesel Fuel?? In a message dated 1/20/00 10:24:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, kszao << But, I'm hearing that in Georgia, Diesel fuel is back under $1.00 again. > So I'm without a real good explanation. Can anybody else explain > the discrepancy? >> I filled up today in McDonough, GA diesel was $1.13.9 Elzie Speir == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:58:10 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN! Now that I've got everyone's attention! Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be completing (hopefully) its move to its new dedicated server this weekend. There WILL be an interruption of service. Depending on how long it takes your ISP's DNS server to receive IP updates, you will lose access to FTE's web site and email lists for 24-72 hours. Anything sent to the lists or posted to the web site may be lost during this time. This is unavoidable since we do not host our own DNS server. Please be patient during this time. Don't ask questions about when FTE will be back up or ask about the status. This will only interrupt me and make it take longer. Some services on the site may have minor glitches (ie, bugs) during the course of the next week. The chat engine will be down for about a week. After the changes, you can expect faster mail delivery, and a ****much**** fast web site. The transition will start early Saturday morning. Regards, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:08:34 -0600 From: "Mike Fairleigh" Subject: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? I love my '98 F150 SC 4x2, but now that it's very cold out again I'm once again irritated by the 4R70W shifting as though it's got molasses in it instead of Mercon V. And, I'm right at the point where it's time to have the fluid changed. Does anyone know of a full synthetic fluid that meets Ford specs for this transmission? And do you expect it would reduce/eliminate this problem? Thanks very much. Mike Fairleigh mikef == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:50:17 EST From: RSnovi Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? In a message dated 1/20/00 11:09:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mikef writes: amsoil, redline D4ATF , mobil ( i think the make one) , synergn (dont laugh) it works good if you can find some. the rest i dont really trust. I have been through a bunch of transmissions through racing seasons and those are the ones i use regularly. RS << Subj: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? Date: 1/20/00 11:09:31 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Mikef Sender: owner-97up-list Reply-to: 97up-list To: 97up-list I love my '98 F150 SC 4x2, but now that it's very cold out again I'm once again irritated by the 4R70W shifting as though it's got molasses in it instead of Mercon V. And, I'm right at the point where it's time to have the fluid changed. Does anyone know of a full synthetic fluid that meets Ford specs for this transmission? And do you expect it would reduce/eliminate this problem? Thanks very much. Mike Fairleigh mikef == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.35]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:09:31 - -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:09:15 -0500 Received: (fordtruc 20 Jan 2000 23:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sky.net (root (8.8.5) id XAA17682; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:08:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host root [209.90.0.4] claimed to be sky.net Received: from mikeflt (ts-2-ip53.kc.sky.net [209.90.4.181]) by sky.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07518 for <97up-list Message-ID: <007b01bf63c5$309bfea0 From: "Mike Fairleigh" To: "Ford Truck List" <97up-list Subject: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:08:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-97up-list Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:06:15 -0800 From: Danny Gaudenti Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cold shifts? >I love my '98 F150 SC 4x2, but now that it's very cold out again I'm once >again irritated by the 4R70W shifting as though it's got molasses in it >instead of Mercon V. And, I'm right at the point where it's time to have >the fluid changed. Does anyone know of a full synthetic fluid that meets >Ford specs for this transmission? And do you expect it would >reduce/eliminate this problem? > >Thanks very much. > >Mike Fairleigh >mikef http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.redlineoil.com/atfti.htm#D4ATF == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:34:58 EST From: DJBurry Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: coolant change Hello Rick...Do you have to change your coolant at 30,000? I had a 97 PSD and the maint schedule said 50,000 for the coolant change. Worth while to review the maint schedule. On the 97 PSD, you just pulled the bottom radiator hose and drained the engine. Careful you will get a bath, if not careful. I measured the coolant taken out and it was close to the coolant capacity. I got the coolant drain procedure from the service manual. If changing your coolant be sure to add back the FW-16 to the coolant. I have read in www.diesel.com that you can buy Prestone Heavy Duty Coolant that already has the FW-16 or Navistar equivalent. Please research carefully. Also you can but the FW-16 from Diesel Injection service for about $3.50 a bottle, verses $8.50 at the local Ford dealer. Hope this helps...Dave Burry - - Denver...Home of the Mtn Rocket... David J. Burry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 97up-list-digest V3 #19 ****************************** +------ Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans ------+ | Send posts to 97up-list | List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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