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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You
FTE 97up - Ordering a National Spring 6" lift - anyone know the axle weights for a F-350 V10 4x4 Auto CC SRW LWB
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!
FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
Re: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
Re: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You
RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
RE: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...
Re: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...
FTE 97up - add-on mirrors???
RE: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...
FTE 97up - NGS tester
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!
FTE 97up - suspension noise
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!
Re: FTE 97up - suspension noise
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!
Re: FTE 97up - suspension noise
FTE 97up - Re:Flames,etc--

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:24:46 EST
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You

While the Constitution does guarantee you freedom of speech, it does not
require anyone (Ken, for example) to provide you a venue for it.
Bill

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

<< From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner,
Not You

so what you're saying is that by letting people voice their opinions, you
feel insecure in your "home".

you say the owner may invite you in or ask you to leave. well removing
people from the list on your own without telling people before hand is not
asking people to leave.

constitutional rights are given to all citizens of the u.s.
i have been a citizen for 22/1/2 yrs. and an american soldier for almost 4
yrs. i bring up the soldier part because this shows i am willing to give
up my life to help others preserve our rights.
... >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:35:43 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You

How about the folks who want to talk about philosophy / politics / etc...
start another site so that we can keep this one for talking about trucks?
My little finger is getting tired from hitting the delete key.
- -----Original Message-----
From: BFunk33 aol.com aol.com>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:25 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner,
Not You


>While the Constitution does guarantee you freedom of speech, it does not
>require anyone (Ken, for example) to provide you a venue for it.
>Bill
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>
><< From: TRITON46L aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner,
>Not You
>
> so what you're saying is that by letting people voice their opinions, you
> feel insecure in your "home".
>
> you say the owner may invite you in or ask you to leave. well removing
> people from the list on your own without telling people before hand is
not
> asking people to leave.
>
> constitutional rights are given to all citizens of the u.s.
> i have been a citizen for 22/1/2 yrs. and an american soldier for almost
4
> yrs. i bring up the soldier part because this shows i am willing to
give
> up my life to help others preserve our rights.
> ... >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:40:26 -0500
From: "Suarez, William" netsilicon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You

Touche Steve, well put.

Ken's been kind enough to put alot of hard work (yes folks I know what I'm
talking about here, I do it for a living) into creating a forum for all of
us to benefit from.

Let's show enough respect for Ken's efforts to keep things where they
belong.

Bill Suarez

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Steve J. Hodson
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:36 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List
Owner, Not You


How about the folks who want to talk about philosophy / politics / etc...
start another site so that we can keep this one for talking about trucks?
My little finger is getting tired from hitting the delete key.
- -----Original Message-----
From: BFunk33 aol.com aol.com>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:25 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner,
Not You


>While the Constitution does guarantee you freedom of speech, it does not
>require anyone (Ken, for example) to provide you a venue for it.
>Bill
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>
><< From: TRITON46L aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner,
>Not You
>
> so what you're saying is that by letting people voice their opinions, you
> feel insecure in your "home".
>
> you say the owner may invite you in or ask you to leave. well removing
> people from the list on your own without telling people before hand is
not
> asking people to leave.
>
> constitutional rights are given to all citizens of the u.s.
> i have been a citizen for 22/1/2 yrs. and an american soldier for almost
4
> yrs. i bring up the soldier part because this shows i am willing to
give
> up my life to help others preserve our rights.
> ... >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:47:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith rocketmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Ordering a National Spring 6" lift - anyone know the axle weights for a F-350 V10 4x4 Auto CC SRW LWB

Asked this in the ford -diesel. com forums but figured as most are
non-V10 owners, I'd repost here:

With my truck expected late Feb/early March, I'm ordering a 6" National
Spring lift kit soon, as the springs have almost a 6 week lead time.
National Spring need to know the weight of the front and rear axles
when the truck is unloaded, as they custom build each spring set.

The truck will be a F-350 4x4 V10 Auto CC SRW LWB. Anybody with this or
a similar truck (99 or 2000, F-250 or F-350) with similar options and
no heavy aftermarket add-ons? Have you weighed it? Are you thinking of
weighing it? I'll incentivise your trip to the weigh station!

Unless some-one with the same truck and options can assist with the
axle weights, guess I'm stuck with waiting 'til the truck arrives,
weighing it, and then waiting some more. 6 more weeks to add the lift
will be hell but worth it in the end.

Thanks in advance! Keith - keithf rocketmail.com
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2000 F-350 XLT CC SRW 4x4 172" V10 Auto 4.30LS - Ordered 12/14/1999 -
Clean and Unscheduled - Waiting...Dreaming...

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:58:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!

At 10:54 PM 1/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
>let's just go to a communist society where we get arrested and beaten for
>speaking our opinions about certain subjects and opinions.
>
>i understand removing people from the list for swearing on here. but i was
>removed for voicing my opinion, i don't much appreciate it or much less
>respect a person who removes me from the list because he doesn't like or
>agree with my opinion.
>freedom of expression and speech is in our bill of rights, no ne has the
>right to remove someone from this list for expressing them.
>
>name calling and disagreements are facts of life that have been introduced
>into our impatient, "i'm better than you" society. these are things we
>have to live with. i agree people shouldn't swear on here, but to attempt
>to silence someone for voicing their opinion is wrong. especially when it
>comes to a person like myself.
>
>always remember, the best leaders in history have been ones who didn't abuse
>their power or try and silence people's voices.
>
>Bill

Bill,

Take a few deep breaths and put the constitutional conspiracy
away. There is no attempt here to stifle free speech. There
is, however, an attempt here to maintain order and a certain
degree of adulthood. Name calling is not protected by the
constitution, hence our laws against slander, libel, and
defamation of character. Property rights, however, are. FTE
is not your property. If you, or anyone else, comes here with
an appetite of destruction and causes chaos, you'll be asked
to leave. That's no different than the action I would take
if you came into my home and caused chaos. Most people who
claim free speech use is as a cover for their childish behavior,
not as a constitutional principle.

When the web site first started, I registered it with RSAC
as acceptable to ALL audiences. Parents have to have some
assurance that when a site registers with RSAC, their
children can visit the site because the site has the honor
to abide by, and enforce, its ratings. If you cannot respect
that, then you do more to destroy free speech. If the
Internet cannot be self-policing, which it has managed to
do so for years, then Uncle Sam will step in.

And lastly, FTE is my property, which I put forth and invite
the public to participate in because I enjoy my Ford truck
hobby immensely. FTE is not a free-for-all Usenet newsgroup
which is entirely public. I can do anything I want with it,
including removing people or shutting it down entirely. As a
publication, FTE enjoys the same editorial rights that a
newspaper does. It is the very fact that I believe in freedom
of speech that I do not pre-read and approve each post before
it hits the list server. Please don't question my principles
and insinuate that I'm a communist because I ask you to behave
as an adult while here. Its not fair to crucify me because
I try to maintain some order.

Our legal disclaimer on the web site makes it very clear:

"By using this site, you signify your agreement to these
terms of use. If you do not agree to these terms of use, do
not use the site."

Further down:

"The Ford Truck Enthusiasts email lists, chat, bbs, archives,
articles and classifieds are free services. We reserve the
right to remove anyone from our services at any time - for
any reason."

I've been putting in 6 hours a day, getting the server moved
over to a new system. I have no time to continue with this
un-adult behavior.


Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:08:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

Well gang, I'll soon be buying another truck. My wife's
little Escort, which I've hated for 5 years but was the
most dependable car I've driven (my 67 F100 runs a close
second), met its death last week during an encounter with
an Isuzu trooper.

I'll be receiving a check this week. So now the question
is, what do you guys recommend? Is the 97 too bug ridden
as a first year model? Do power windows come into play
with the door crack? I'm looking for a quality used
truck, can't afford another new vehicle (I've got a 98
in the driveway right now). I'm open to suggestions as
I haven't made a decision yet.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:34:10 -0600
From: "pennhead" bscn.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

This is what I did when faced with the same choices. I couldn't afford a
loaded pickup. I didn't want to buy a used truck and inherit someone else's
problems. I could afford an well-appointed 2WD extended cab Nissan or
Toyota, but try as I might, I could not fit 3 adults inside, which is a
periodical requirement.

I thought I couldn't afford a full size truck, until I looked at a '99 F150
XL SWB flareside standard cab, very nicely appointed (premium sound CD
player, even), however with a V6 5-speed. One drive convinced me that this
was the truck for me. It drives and handles like a sports car. It's a
blast to drive and run thru the gears, and will accommodate 3 passengers
when necessary. I realize it's not for everyone, but I love it. Under
$16K... not much competition in that price range.

Regards,
Penn

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:08 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...


Well gang, I'll soon be buying another truck. My wife's
little Escort, which I've hated for 5 years but was the
most dependable car I've driven (my 67 F100 runs a close
second), met its death last week during an encounter with
an Isuzu trooper.

I'll be receiving a check this week. So now the question
is, what do you guys recommend? Is the 97 too bug ridden
as a first year model? Do power windows come into play
with the door crack? I'm looking for a quality used
truck, can't afford another new vehicle (I've got a 98
in the driveway right now). I'm open to suggestions as
I haven't made a decision yet.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:59:09 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

At 10:08 AM -0500 1/16/00, Ken Payne wrote:
>Well gang, I'll soon be buying another truck.

Heiracy time (maybe)
Are you buying a truck to use as a truck, or a truck to use as a car/light
hauler/etc? Are you looking at a mini-truck, or a midi-truck?

If you want a full-size truck, I loved my old F150, if it had the towing
power I needed with the new RV I would still have it.

However, if I were buying a truck for other then daily work, but still
wanted to do some work, (here comes the non-Ford part). I really like the
Dodge Dakota, heavier and larger then the Ranger, smaller then the F
series. All in all a good mix, one that I wonder why only Toyota has a
similar line.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:06:37 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

At 08:59 AM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>At 10:08 AM -0500 1/16/00, Ken Payne wrote:
> >Well gang, I'll soon be buying another truck.
>
>Heiracy time (maybe)
>Are you buying a truck to use as a truck, or a truck to use as a car/light
>hauler/etc? Are you looking at a mini-truck, or a midi-truck?
>
>If you want a full-size truck, I loved my old F150, if it had the towing
>power I needed with the new RV I would still have it.
>
>However, if I were buying a truck for other then daily work, but still
>wanted to do some work, (here comes the non-Ford part). I really like the
>Dodge Dakota, heavier and larger then the Ranger, smaller then the F
>series. All in all a good mix, one that I wonder why only Toyota has a
>similar line.
>
>Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954


The 390 ci V8 in my 67 F100 handles the loads with ease. We've
already got a car. Don't want a mini truck, I need something
with a little more "ummmmph." Would prefer a Super Duty but the
finances don't allow that now. I want a truck that I can build
muscle with. I thinking either a 90s truck to go with FI technology
or a late 70s truck with a 460 to go with cubic inches. Gas
mileage is not an issue, my 67 gets 8 mpg.

Ken Payne



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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:25:11 -0800
From: "Phil Rosenkranz" slip.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

Heck Ken,
With all of the big bucks you make from running this list, what do you mean
you cann't afford a new big bad SD? :)

Phil Rosenkranz

Note: This post may contain misspellings, grammatical errors, disorganized
sentence structure, or may entirely lack a coherent theme. These elements
are natural to the process of writing, and will only add to the overall
beauty of the post.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:07 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...
>
>
> At 08:59 AM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >At 10:08 AM -0500 1/16/00, Ken Payne wrote:
> > >Well gang, I'll soon be buying another truck.
> >
> >Heiracy time (maybe)
> >Are you buying a truck to use as a truck, or a truck to use as a
> car/light
> >hauler/etc? Are you looking at a mini-truck, or a midi-truck?
> >
> >If you want a full-size truck, I loved my old F150, if it had the towing
> >power I needed with the new RV I would still have it.
> >
> >However, if I were buying a truck for other then daily work, but still
> >wanted to do some work, (here comes the non-Ford part). I really like the
> >Dodge Dakota, heavier and larger then the Ranger, smaller then the F
> >series. All in all a good mix, one that I wonder why only Toyota has a
> >similar line.
> >
> >Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
>
>
> The 390 ci V8 in my 67 F100 handles the loads with ease. We've
> already got a car. Don't want a mini truck, I need something
> with a little more "ummmmph." Would prefer a Super Duty but the
> finances don't allow that now. I want a truck that I can build
> muscle with. I thinking either a 90s truck to go with FI technology
> or a late 70s truck with a 460 to go with cubic inches. Gas
> mileage is not an issue, my 67 gets 8 mpg.
>
> Ken Payne
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:27:36 -0500
From: "R White Associates" bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You

I would recommend that those who do not support Keith and his actions =
re-read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I believe that the =
wording for the Bill of Rights is "--that Congress shall enact no =
laws--", it does not repeat NOT convey to others, only the US Congress, =
therefore Keith is not compelled to give anyone freedom of speech NOR =
equal time. Keith thank you for this service, I enjoy most of the =
information immensely, regards=20

Robert W. White, Jr.
R White Associates
P O Box 146
Mt Vernon, Va 22121-0146
Cell: 703.801.9116
Fax: 703.780.3493
=20
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From: aol.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List =
Owner, Not You


> While the Constitution does guarantee you freedom of speech, it does =
not=20
> require anyone (Ken, for example) to provide you a venue for it.
> Bill
>=20
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>=20
> << From: TRITON46L aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Constitutional Guarantees are for the List =
Owner,=20
> Not You
> =20
> so what you're saying is that by letting people voice their opinions, =
you=20
> feel insecure in your "home".
> =20
> you say the owner may invite you in or ask you to leave. well =
removing=20
> people from the list on your own without telling people before hand =
is not=20
> asking people to leave.
> =20
> constitutional rights are given to all citizens of the u.s.
> i have been a citizen for 22/1/2 yrs. and an american soldier for =
almost 4=20
> yrs. i bring up the soldier part because this shows i am willing =
to give=20
> up my life to help others preserve our rights.
> ... >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:40:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Buying another truck...

At 10:25 AM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Heck Ken,
>With all of the big bucks you make from running this list, what do you mean
>you cann't afford a new big bad SD? :)
>
>Phil Rosenkranz

FTE was a 12k loss for 1999 through November! Don't have
the yearly total yet, I'm sure Christmas helped our bottom
line, but not enough to pull us out of the hole. :^\

Ken

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:08:39 -0500
From: "Andy" mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

Had the same surgery performed on my 98 F-150 5.4. I have 52,000 miles.
It was done around the middle of December. It took about 3 weeks to get the
engine, a long block with all the goodies, to the shop here in Ga. They put
me in a nice loaded Taraus (sp?)for the same price as my ESP allowance.
They put it in, finished, came and I picked it up. The engine looks a
little smaller than the old 5.4. I was told that they were smaller but have
the same specs as the old 5.4.
There sounds to be a lifter ticking and the idle is very rough. The 02
sensor was fouled during instillation, so I got the "Check Engine" light in
the first 5 minutes of driving. I wonder why they didn't drive it to see if
it worked. I took it right back and they kept it for another two days.
Changed the sensor, but admitted that it did tick on startup, but to drive
it a while to see if it will help. (????) The first tank of gas I got 12
mpg, but the second I'm up to 14. I was getting 15-16 mpg on the old
engine.
Anyway, the engine seems stronger and has some good pick up, but when the
engine gets at operating temp, I sound like a diesel, and the engine has a
high pitch moan at around 2500 rpm, as the gears are shifting, up until it
goes into OD. (Maybe someone reading this can give me any ideas on what the
whine might be.)
I don' t want to scare you, but make sure that you listen closely to the
sounds of the engine, and ask questions. Make sure you tell them of any
concerns you find, and have them address them. Who knows, I might get
another engine out of it.

Good Luck!!
Regards,
Andy
KG4FDK
Personal Aircraft Photography
Sortie City
www.sortiecity.com
From F-4's, F-16's and F-18's to the F-22 and many in between.
Dobbins ARB- Marietta, Ga.

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:42 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

Hi,

In two days my 99 SD goes in to have old
(piston slap) 5.4 removed, and new (rebuilt)
5.4 installed.
I'm scared! Has anybody on this list had their
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:00:32 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

The diesel sound might be due to a bad EGR valve. As for the moan before
OD, could it be the sound of the fan? Some differences in fan design result
in louder air movement sounds that can be off-set by additional sound
dampening material under the hood and on the firewall. Also be sure the fan
clutch is disengaging when operating temperature is reached so you aren't
running the fan needlessly. (this cuts mileage also).
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From: Andy mindspring.com>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...


> Had the same surgery performed on my 98 F-150 5.4. I have 52,000 miles.
>It was done around the middle of December. It took about 3 weeks to get
the
>engine, a long block with all the goodies, to the shop here in Ga. They put
>me in a nice loaded Taraus (sp?)for the same price as my ESP allowance.
>They put it in, finished, came and I picked it up. The engine looks a
>little smaller than the old 5.4. I was told that they were smaller but
have
>the same specs as the old 5.4.
> There sounds to be a lifter ticking and the idle is very rough. The 02
>sensor was fouled during instillation, so I got the "Check Engine" light in
>the first 5 minutes of driving. I wonder why they didn't drive it to see
if
>it worked. I took it right back and they kept it for another two days.
>Changed the sensor, but admitted that it did tick on startup, but to drive
>it a while to see if it will help. (????) The first tank of gas I got 12
>mpg, but the second I'm up to 14. I was getting 15-16 mpg on the old
>engine.
> Anyway, the engine seems stronger and has some good pick up, but when
the
>engine gets at operating temp, I sound like a diesel, and the engine has a
>high pitch moan at around 2500 rpm, as the gears are shifting, up until it
>goes into OD. (Maybe someone reading this can give me any ideas on what
the
>whine might be.)
> I don' t want to scare you, but make sure that you listen closely to the
>sounds of the engine, and ask questions. Make sure you tell them of any
>concerns you find, and have them address them. Who knows, I might get
>another engine out of it.
>
>Good Luck!!
>Regards,
>Andy
>KG4FDK
>Personal Aircraft Photography
>Sortie City
>www.sortiecity.com
>From F-4's, F-16's and F-18's to the F-22 and many in between.
>Dobbins ARB- Marietta, Ga.
>
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:42 4
>From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
>Subject: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...
>
> Hi,
>
> In two days my 99 SD goes in to have old
> (piston slap) 5.4 removed, and new (rebuilt)
> 5.4 installed.
> I'm scared! Has anybody on this list had their
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:14:53 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: FTE 97up - add-on mirrors???

As as been noted a couple of times, the default non-adjustable convex
mirrors on the current 'tow'mirrors could use help.
Well I say something, not I need to learn were they bought them. They had
the standard tow mirrors, with the adjustable flat mirrors above and the
fixed convex below. They also had an additional convex above the flat
mirrors. They were fairly obviously an add on (at least I haven't seen and
others), they were crescent moon shaped, with the inside of the crescent on
the top of the flat mirror,
Anyone have any idea were I can find these?

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:33:22 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

Hi Andy,

Its going in tomorrow morning.
Trust me, if I hear or feel anything
out of the norm, they will know about it.

Thanks
Vaughn

99 F250 SD SCSB XLT 4X4 5.4








Had the same surgery performed on my 98 F-150 5.4. I have
52,000 miles.
It was done around the middle of December. It took about 3
weeks to get the engine, a long block with all the goodies, to
the shop here in Ga. They put me in a nice loaded Taraus
(sp?)for the same price as my ESP allowance. They put it in,
finished, came and I picked it up. The engine looks a little
smaller than the old 5.4. I was told that they were smaller but
have the same specs as the old 5.4.
There sounds to be a lifter ticking and the idle is very
rough. The 02
sensor was fouled during instillation, so I got the "Check
Engine" light in the first 5 minutes of driving. I wonder why
they didn't drive it to see if it worked. I took it right back
and they kept it for another two days. Changed the sensor, but
admitted that it did tick on startup, but to drive it a while to
see if it will help. (????) The first tank of gas I got 12 mpg,
but the second I'm up to 14. I was getting 15-16 mpg on the old
engine.
Anyway, the engine seems stronger and has some good pick up,
but when the
engine gets at operating temp, I sound like a diesel, and the
engine has a high pitch moan at around 2500 rpm, as the gears
are shifting, up until it goes into OD. (Maybe someone reading
this can give me any ideas on what the whine might be.)
I don' t want to scare you, but make sure that you listen
closely to the
sounds of the engine, and ask questions. Make sure you tell
them of any concerns you find, and have them address them. Who
knows, I might get another engine out of it.

Good Luck!!
Regards,
Andy
KG4FDK
Personal Aircraft Photography
Sortie City
www.sortiecity.com
>From F-4's, F-16's and F-18's to the F-22 and many in between.
Dobbins ARB- Marietta, Ga.

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:42 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

Hi,

In two days my 99 SD goes in to have old
(piston slap) 5.4 removed, and new (rebuilt)
5.4 installed.
I'm scared! Has anybody on this list had their
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:15:22 -0500
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - NGS tester

Hi All,

Does anyone here, like maybe Nathan, have a price on the 'new generation
STAR' tester (NGS) used to check codes and run tests on the newer Ford
vehicles equipped with OBDII? I have found some info on it but no prices. I
was just wondering if the 'average' guy could buy a toy like this or if it
is priced out of reach as I suspect it would be......Thanks..
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:17:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Vinnie yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Constitutional Guarantees are for the List Owner, Not You

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!
- --- BFunk33 aol.com wrote:
> While the Constitution does guarantee you freedom of
> speech, it does not
> require anyone (Ken, for example) to provide you a
> venue for it.
> Bill
>
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>
> << From: TRITON46L aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Constitutional Guarantees
> are for the List Owner,
> Not You
>
> so what you're saying is that by letting people
> voice their opinions, you
> feel insecure in your "home".
>
> you say the owner may invite you in or ask you to
> leave. well removing
> people from the list on your own without telling
> people before hand is not
> asking people to leave.
>
> constitutional rights are given to all citizens of
> the u.s.
> i have been a citizen for 22/1/2 yrs. and an
> american soldier for almost 4
> yrs. i bring up the soldier part because this
> shows i am willing to give
> up my life to help others preserve our rights.
> ... >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:19:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Vinnie yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!

I was also removed from this list for voicing my
opinion. i guess it dosent work both ways

- --- TRITON46L aol.com wrote:
> let's just go to a communist society where we get
> arrested and beaten for
> speaking our opinions about certain subjects and
> opinions.
>
> i understand removing people from the list for
> swearing on here. but i was
> removed for voicing my opinion, i don't much
> appreciate it or much less
> respect a person who removes me from the list
> because he doesn't like or
> agree with my opinion.
> freedom of expression and speech is in our bill of
> rights, no ne has the
> right to remove someone from this list for
> expressing them.
>
> name calling and disagreements are facts of life
> that have been introduced
> into our impatient, "i'm better than you" society.
> these are things we
> have to live with. i agree people shouldn't swear
> on here, but to attempt
> to silence someone for voicing their opinion is
> wrong. especially when it
> comes to a person like myself.
>
> always remember, the best leaders in history have
> been ones who didn't abuse
> their power or try and silence people's voices.
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:09:21 +0100
From: "Kirk Werner" werner.org>
Subject: FTE 97up - suspension noise

I have a 00 f350 crew cab 4wd with less than 4K miles on it. The truck was
silent when I first got it, but gradually it began to creak and moan when
the truck shifts it's weight from side to side or when the front end dips
when braking. A couple weeks ago I was driving thru a rough field of
harvested sugar beets- there was a good deal of suspension travel upon doing
so, and it seems to have quieted the problem some. I'm curious if anyone
else has experienced this annoyance in their superduty? While it seems to
have been silenced by the bumps, I'm wondering it there's an underlying
problem which shoudl still be addressed. Seems like it might be shocks
mounts or something along those lines, but I'm guessing.

Thanks

Kirk
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:17:42 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!

At 06:19 PM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I was also removed from this list for voicing my
>opinion. i guess it dosent work both ways

No, you were removed by the 97up admin (Keith Srb) for calling
another member a part of the anatomy and then calling Keith
names when he asked you to clean up your language. In both
cases the filters blocked your posting. Unfortunately, Keith
doesn't have the means to prevent someone from coming back.

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:31:20 4
From: "Vaughn " enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - suspension noise

The truck I drive at work is a 99 F350.
It has approx. 4000 miles on it, and about
2 weeks ago it started creaking and groaning too.

It sounds like the leaf spring bushings.
My own 99 F250 just started doing it, but
not that bad yet.

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4





< truck was silent when I first got it, but gradually it began to
creak and moan when the truck shifts it's weight from side to
side or when the front end dips when braking. A couple weeks ago
I was driving thru a rough field of harvested sugar beets- there
was a good deal of suspension travel upon doing so, and it seems
to have quieted the problem some. I'm curious if anyone else has
experienced this annoyance in their superduty? While it seems to
have been silenced by the bumps, I'm wondering it there's an
underlying problem which shoudl still be addressed. Seems like
it might be shocks mounts or something along those lines, but
I'm guessing.>>

Thanks

Kirk
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:19:16 -0800
From: David & Laura Manuel Earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: NO MORE WARNINGS!

Thank you for attending to this problem. I enjoy being on the list, but
this non-Ford stuff is getting very annoying. Hopefully your post will
help. Keep up the good work.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:29:09 -0800
From: David & Laura Manuel Earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - suspension noise

My 2000 SD, Crewcab, 4x4, longbed, v10 has the same noise under the same
conditions. Had it into the dealer once, but didn't do the noise for
them. Just got back from a weekend trip towing the trailer, and it's
making the noise again. I think I'll run it by the dealer again this
week and hope it make sthe noise for them. Let me know if you find out
anything befor I do. Just hit 6,000 miles on mine.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:22:39 -0700
From: Pat Meanea gbasin.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Flames,etc--

A note from the sidelines---
I visit the list to learn constructive information about my 97 Ford
F150---not to read flames about speeding and constitution,etc!
Ken Payne, Admin. has the right to let people join the list, or to kick
them
out, as he sees fit--there is no constitutional issue here. Where it
becomes an issue is if someone has a "vested" interest in the list
(re:they own a part of it)
I don't want to start another war but I would like to see the list get
back to useful information. I hope each of you stay safe and enjoy your
vehicles for a very long time.
"A good citizen is one who obeys the law even when no one is looking."
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