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In this issue:

RE: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
FTE 97up - Brakes
FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
FTE 97up - ADMIN: FLAMERS ARE GONE
Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up
RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
RE: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up
FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
Re: FTE 97up - Brakes
Re: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...
RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis
FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...
RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis
Re: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis
FTE 97up - Apology: Flames, Rants, Opinoins
Re: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...
FTE 97up - Excursion towing mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - door replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Excursion towing mileage

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:12:05 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike" westgroup.com>
Subject: RE: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Take this off the list. It has no business here!





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From: Phil Rosenkranz [mailto:philr slip.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:35 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion
don't they!


John Jensen, you arrogant bastard!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Jensen -
> Ericsson
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:19 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
>
>
>
> Being that everyone has their own darn opinion.... I can respect that.
> But oddly enough, whether I take my life and make it dangerous then offer
> that danger to every other driver on the road is my decision. NOW, god
> forbid that I ever hurt someone else on the road. That is obviously not my
> intention. But then again, I'm not slowing down because all you Rush
> listeners (or whomever you all are) have your own opinion of some nut on
> the road (and yes... I'm calling myself a nut). And that goes for the
> asphalt, concrete, DIRT...etc.

You state that you can respect the opinion of others, but then you list how
you are willing to risk the lives of others because of your lust for danger!
How dare you think that because of your willingness to throw your life into
the toilet, that others share your lack of respect for life and health!

>
> So stay out of my way.

Jeeze, what an arrogant ass!

> Because if it's not me doing the speed... it'll be
> some other nut. And maybe he won't be such a well observed and trained
> driver like myself.

I really doubt your drivers training! Any professional driver, professional
skills not just livelihood, would respect safety rules, and the lives of
others! How about if you list all of your driving qualifications to impress
us.

>
> Ohhh... and can't you guys just KILL this mail?? Stick to your opinion. Or
> is it to tough to keep your fingers off the keys...?? I mean come'on. GIVE
> IT A BREAK.

I will stick to my opinion, you must be an immature, young driver who
doesn't yet realize his own mortality!

>
> (I bet if I took an consensus of the people on this list, the
> ones with the
> "john is a jerk" attitude, more than likely you have not lived
> your life to
> the extreme. Extreme meaning you don't take risks. Life threatening risks.
> Shoot me if I'm wrong... but I do take those risks. Everyday in my job and
> in my personal life. Heck... I get on the freeway. Now there's a RISK!!)

John, your right! I think that "john is a jerk"! And no, I don't live my
everyday to the extreme. I have a responsibility to my family to be able to
provide for them. I have a responsibility to help my children to grow up.
And a desire to know my grandchildren.

Sometimes I do have to be "on the edge" (how many burning building do you go
into, or lives have you saved). Have you every had to cut a vehicle away
from a person just to have them die before reaching the hospital. If you
have a need for a thrill, do something which will help your fellow man, not
risk as many lives as you can by driving like a fool!

>
> Have fun! :)

Grow up!

>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:14:49 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Amen Brother. This is getting to sound like the Dodge Deja Vou site.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:48:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Brakes

Hi,

I guess its time for me to start looking at new brakes for my truck. I've been looking
to get the Carbon Metallic kind, but I want to check with you guys about what do you
think and if there is anyone who have experience with them. Since they run around $100
I need to be sure before I jump into it.

Also, I would like to know if there is any different with the brake fluid. They highly
recommend to buy there DOT 3 Brake Fluid 550+ F boiling point.

TIA.

Hunter.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:53:24 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

Please send me what you can on the problem. I still have one bolt.

It is approx 7/8" to 1" long and had a "Triple-Square" head to it. ( I hate
these bolt heads.

What do you think about the possible warping of the casting? I'm going to
contact Garrett to find out what the situation is. Maybe we may need to
contact Navistar to see their viewpoint?

My FAX 303 688-8015 (Always on)

Thank you,

Scott.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:34:38 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

This makes sense. But now you have three metals with probably three
different rates of thermo expansion. Ford's answer (SSM#13127), is to
install a new bolt (same as original?) and apply high temp loctite to the
threads, torque to 199 inch pounds and then to 300 inch pounds.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:22:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FLAMERS ARE GONE

I asked yesterday that the flamers stop. Now, their
gone. 'Nuff said.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:27:42 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up

Hunter wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Finally I took my truck to the dealer and they took it for a test drive, according to
> the mechanic I need a new converter + I'm getting a new multi-tasking bar (the one by
> the steering wheel). He said it will take a whole day to do that right, and I should
> take it easy on the truck the first 1-2 week of driving, is that true?
>
> Thanks Jean, what you said was right and I did get my $$$ back from him. He did change
> the plugs and the wire, but because of what you told me I've got my $$$ back. Thanks
>
> This list is the best.
>
> Hunter.
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Hunter,

Glad to see you got your $$ back. What does he mean take
it easy? Just because you have a new converter? When my
truck was new it took it out to see what it could do. I
don't mean you should go out and beat on it, just drive it
the way you normally do.

Regards

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:59:53 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Yes this is the hart of the point. I don't care how good of a driver you
think you are. It's that little old lady who's depth perception or reflexes
might not be what they use to be, who will one day, when she's cruising
along in her little civic at 60 mph, decide to change lanes after looking
over here shoulder to see a clear lane, only to have you close on here at
110mph, a relative closing speed of over 73 feet per second, in a vehicle
weighing approximately 6000 lbs. with an inertial weight (mass x velocity)
orders of magnitude greater, ultimately rendering her and her vehicle
unrecognizable.

As for those who are tired of hearing about it and believe it doesn't belong
on the list, I say BULL! Obviously some of us have a had time recognizing
the possible consequences of driving a vehicle weighing in some case 3 time
that of our neighbors cars. This list is about Trucks, and this thread is
about the consequences of driving those trucks at excessively high speeds
and the possible cost of such IGNORANT STUPIDITY. If ONE such person has
paused and rethought their dangerous driving habits and potentially saved
someone's life, then all these rants and personal opinions have been worth
every kilobit of bandwidth and every 1 second of time spent reading them!!




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From: TRITON46L aol.com [mailto:TRITON46L aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:18 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

... snip

to take life threatening risks on the highway with others in danger is
plainly a show of non-intelligence, it doesn't matter how well trained of a
driver you think you are.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:58:57 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

I thought it appropriate and your comments well put.

Phil Rosenkranz wrote:

> I just re-read my reply to John. Please excuse my use of profane language.
> I apologize.
>
> Phil Rosenkranz
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:27:16 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Now there's a good reply... Usually speed "...5-15 mph over..." So if
your in a school zone and doing 15 over the posted 25. Hmmmm, If my dumbass
can't add that's 40mph. Shouldn't we just put the kids on the street for
you????



At 02:44 AM 1/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree with you Bill, taking a life threatining risk is one thing. To put
>others lives at risk, especially unknowingly, is non-intelligent. I too
>speed, usually anywhere from 5-15 mph over the limit but I also use some
>common sense. Thats my .02, out!
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:38:22 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Hmmmm... so many assumptions here.

- - Drivers Age
- - Drivers training validity
- - Speed of vehicle
- - Drivers employment
- - Drivers values
- - Drivers morals
....etc....

No more assumptions. I am 32 years old, Have been trained in the California
Highway Patrol Tactical Course and the Texas State Trooper Action Course. I
wasn't doing 120, 130 or such. It was 105 or so (claimed the GPS). It was
3:30 in the am and about one driver in 8 miles on the road. I AM a Law
Enforcement Officer (not telling any of you yahoos where). And I do have
more morals and values that have you cursing, non church going fools.

SO FLAME AWAY! I know you will. You can't resist.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:03:03 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve" richmond.edu>
Subject: RE: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

So, in essence, because you are a law enforcement officer you feel that you
are above the law?

--Steve


- -----Original Message-----
From: John Jensen - Ericsson [mailto:j.jensen ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:38 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion
don't they!



Hmmmm... so many assumptions here.

- - Drivers Age
- - Drivers training validity
- - Speed of vehicle
- - Drivers employment
- - Drivers values
- - Drivers morals
....etc....

No more assumptions. I am 32 years old, Have been trained in the California
Highway Patrol Tactical Course and the Texas State Trooper Action Course. I
wasn't doing 120, 130 or such. It was 105 or so (claimed the GPS). It was
3:30 in the am and about one driver in 8 miles on the road. I AM a Law
Enforcement Officer (not telling any of you yahoos where). And I do have
more morals and values that have you cursing, non church going fools.

SO FLAME AWAY! I know you will. You can't resist.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:58:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up

Yeap,
He was trying to tell me that "it needs time to replicate or calibrate" I forgot which
one he used. I'm taking it next Wed. and they are going to have it for the whole day.
If you want I could post the outcome from the fix.

Hunter.



> > Finally I took my truck to the dealer and they took it for a test drive, according
> to
> > the mechanic I need a new converter + I'm getting a new multi-tasking bar (the one
> by
> > the steering wheel). He said it will take a whole day to do that right, and I
> should
> > take it easy on the truck the first 1-2 week of driving, is that true?
> >
> > Thanks Jean, what you said was right and I did get my $$$ back from him. He did
> change
> > the plugs and the wire, but because of what you told me I've got my $$$ back.
> Thanks
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:10:11 -0800
From: "dallanmiller" email.msn.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...

All,
After reading the numerous e-mails about the Famous F150 door cracks,
and seeing the pix, I am VERY disappointed that Ford is not taking a better
approach than just welding up the cracks. This is a design flaw that Ford
should make good on whether the truck is in warranty or not. It is a known
defect, and we all ( as Ford F150 owners) need to band together and let Ford
know how we feel. I am a Ford Motor Company die hard, NOT an employee of
Ford, and currently own a 1999 Ford XCab XLT, -WITH POWER WINDOWS!!!. I have
owned this truck for seven months now, and haven't seen a crack yet, and am
concerned that this is an inevitable flaw yet to rear it's ugly face. I have
been a Ford owner most of my life, I am 43 years old, and that should say
something about my likes if Ford products.
I contacted MY dealership yesterday, January 13, 2000, to check into
this crack problem. The service manager at Nichols Ford in Fort Worth Texas
denied ever having any knowledge of this problem (of course), and referred
me to the Body shop manager of the dealership. He denied the same (again, of
course).
Perhaps this hasn't happened in Texas yet? I sincerely hope it doesn't.
I usually keep a vehicle for no less than ten years, my last truck was an
'89 Ford F150 XCab XLT- Lariat, and I still kinda miss it. At least with
it's known quirks, the doors didn't crack, but it didn't have power windows
either.
I am proud of my new 1999 F150, but if the doors crack, I AM GONNA RAISE
SOME HELL WITH FORD!!!!!
David A.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:39:41 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

Haven't had any yet, but we haven't been looking for it either.

Nathan

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To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts


> One theory I've heard is that the bolt is a tad too long.
> Consequently, the 300 inch pounds of torque ends up
> not at the bolt's head - but at its screw thread end.
>
> Sounds plausible.
>
> I'm curious if Nathan has experienced this problem?
>
> DJBurry aol.com wrote:
>
> > Turbo bolts...
> >
> > Did you guys think it is a good idea to tighten down the turbo bolts??
I
> > have a new F-250 PSD and I think I will inspect them, before they fall
out.
> > Maybe with the new truck, the turbo, mounting brackets and bolts are
taking
> > the initial "heat set" and need to be retorqued. What do you think??
Us
> > "old" guys can remember re-torquing the exhaust manifolds bolts on our
> > "50's" cars after re-assembly (the ones we could fix). Anyone remember
> > that...or am I dating myself...Yuc Yuc...!!! We were "Motor Heads" then
and
> > we still are now....chitty chitty, bang bang, rattle rattle
> > rattle.....PSD...Yuc Yuc Yuc....!!! Just a thought....Dave Burry from
> > Colorado..."Home of the Mtn Rocket"....
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:06:50 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Brakes

>I guess its time for me to start looking at new brakes for my truck. I've
>been looking
>to get the Carbon Metallic kind, but I want to check with you guys about
>what do you
>think and if there is anyone who have experience with them. Since they run
>around $100
>I need to be sure before I jump into it.

Carbon Metallic are great, but the big problem is that if you use them,
they chew up the rotors. I had carbon metallic (Ford "police interceptor"
package) on a '92 Crown Vic, and I replaced all four rotors every time I
changed the brake pads. Depending on the truck, some rotors can be pricy.
My Expedition's rotors are like $150/ea.

Just my 2
Terry


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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:47:43 GMT
From: "S M" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...

Ken,

I don't know if it would be worth it or not, but does FTE have the resources
to create a Door Crack Registration page? For example a small database that
would allow owners of late model F150s that have the door crack to record
their names, model of truck (from a pull down), year and VIN. The VIN could
act as the key in the table to eliminate redundant entries.

Just curious, thanks.

Austin

>From: "dallanmiller" email.msn.com>
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:10:11 -0800
>
>All,
> After reading the numerous e-mails about the Famous F150 door cracks,
>and seeing the pix, I am VERY disappointed that Ford is not taking a
>better
>approach than just welding up the cracks. This is a design flaw that Ford
>should make good on whether the truck is in warranty or not. It is a known
>defect, and we all ( as Ford F150 owners) need to band together and let
>Ford
>know how we feel. I am a Ford Motor Company die hard, NOT an employee of
>Ford, and currently own a 1999 Ford XCab XLT, -WITH POWER WINDOWS!!!. I
>have
>owned this truck for seven months now, and haven't seen a crack yet, and am
>concerned that this is an inevitable flaw yet to rear it's ugly face. I
>have
>been a Ford owner most of my life, I am 43 years old, and that should say
>something about my likes if Ford products.
> I contacted MY dealership yesterday, January 13, 2000, to check into
>this crack problem. The service manager at Nichols Ford in Fort Worth Texas
>denied ever having any knowledge of this problem (of course), and referred
>me to the Body shop manager of the dealership. He denied the same (again,
>of
>course).
> Perhaps this hasn't happened in Texas yet? I sincerely hope it
>doesn't.
>I usually keep a vehicle for no less than ten years, my last truck was an
>'89 Ford F150 XCab XLT- Lariat, and I still kinda miss it. At least with
>it's known quirks, the doors didn't crack, but it didn't have power windows
>either.
> I am proud of my new 1999 F150, but if the doors crack, I AM GONNA
>RAISE
>SOME HELL WITH FORD!!!!!
> David
>A.
>Miller
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:56:15 -0500
From: "Zinski, Steve" richmond.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

How do you like the CD-ROM version?

I ordered the paper version and it's HUGE! Very nicely done, I might add.

--Steve Zinski

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:21 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150


I'm not sure how you did the install but, If I were going to try this I
would uninstall the copy that does not work. Copy the entire CD to the C
drive then run the install from the C drive. This will set all the pointers
to the correct locations. There are some files that you need to change if
you do not do this. They live in the Windows and the Windows\system
directory. Also there will be some references it the registry. How did you
copy the files from the CD to the C drive in the first place? If you have
any questions please email me off list.
Good Luck,
Art
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:30:20 -0500
From: "Steve J. Hodson" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Hey Johnhy; Oddly enough, wheather someone takes a tire iron and offers it
to your skull after you nearly kill them by driving like a self-important
bastard is their decision. Here's hoping it happens really soon before you
hurt any of my family you moron!
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From: Phil Rosenkranz slip.net>
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:40 PM
Subject: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't
they!


>John Jensen, you arrogant bastard!
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Jensen -
>> Ericsson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:19 AM
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
>>
>>
>>
>> Being that everyone has their own darn opinion.... I can respect that.
>> But oddly enough, whether I take my life and make it dangerous then offer
>> that danger to every other driver on the road is my decision. NOW, god
>> forbid that I ever hurt someone else on the road. That is obviously not
my
>> intention. But then again, I'm not slowing down because all you Rush
>> listeners (or whomever you all are) have your own opinion of some nut on
>> the road (and yes... I'm calling myself a nut). And that goes for the
>> asphalt, concrete, DIRT...etc.
>
>You state that you can respect the opinion of others, but then you list how
>you are willing to risk the lives of others because of your lust for
danger!
>How dare you think that because of your willingness to throw your life into
>the toilet, that others share your lack of respect for life and health!
>
>>
>> So stay out of my way.
>
>Jeeze, what an arrogant ass!
>
>> Because if it's not me doing the speed... it'll be
>> some other nut. And maybe he won't be such a well observed and trained
>> driver like myself.
>
>I really doubt your drivers training! Any professional driver,
professional
>skills not just livelihood, would respect safety rules, and the lives of
>others! How about if you list all of your driving qualifications to
impress
>us.
>
>>
>> Ohhh... and can't you guys just KILL this mail?? Stick to your opinion.
Or
>> is it to tough to keep your fingers off the keys...?? I mean come'on.
GIVE
>> IT A BREAK.
>
>I will stick to my opinion, you must be an immature, young driver who
>doesn't yet realize his own mortality!
>
>>
>> (I bet if I took an consensus of the people on this list, the
>> ones with the
>> "john is a jerk" attitude, more than likely you have not lived
>> your life to
>> the extreme. Extreme meaning you don't take risks. Life threatening
risks.
>> Shoot me if I'm wrong... but I do take those risks. Everyday in my job
and
>> in my personal life. Heck... I get on the freeway. Now there's a RISK!!)
>
>John, your right! I think that "john is a jerk"! And no, I don't live my
>everyday to the extreme. I have a responsibility to my family to be able
to
>provide for them. I have a responsibility to help my children to grow up.
>And a desire to know my grandchildren.
>
>Sometimes I do have to be "on the edge" (how many burning building do you
go
>into, or lives have you saved). Have you every had to cut a vehicle away
>from a person just to have them die before reaching the hospital. If you
>have a need for a thrill, do something which will help your fellow man, not
>risk as many lives as you can by driving like a fool!
>
>>
>> Have fun! :)
>
>Grow up!
>
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:51:52 -0500
From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis

I am tired of reading uneducated, non-sensical, and just plain wrong
evaluations of relative risks incurred pursuant to different actions. For
example, lets say on average 1,200 people die each year due to lightning
strikes. This most certainly only applies to the portion of the population
that does not live a "shut-in" life or lives in a location with very few
lightning events. Similarly, the Journal of Risk Analysis published a
report that calculated the following:

A white, sober, health, freshly awake, seat-belted male (don't ask me
why-they wrote the article), driving a large car in good weather between 200
and 400 miles on an interstate during a non-rush-hour time period has a
better survival rate [in total numbers achieving their destination] than
those flying commercial aircraft.

Thus, if I am on a lonely, wide, interstate or 6 to 8-lane divided
(w/barrier) highway on a bright Sunday morning and the road configuration is
such that their is limited or no access and I can see for miles and miles,
and there is no one present (or at least no one that could possibly be
present in the direction of my travel) I do not feel I am substantially
increasing mine (or anyone else's) risk of accident by spending a few
minutes letting my fully maintained, mechanically "perfect" 1967 Camero
RS/SS 396 big-block muscle car "breath" at 130 to 150 MPH before slowly
returning to the normal highway speed. Risks are highly variable, sometimes
instantly changeable, sometimes significantly stable and are a major topic
in the study of just about everything manufactured. If you understand and
properly evaluate the risks of your (planned) actions you may enjoy thrills
most will not. If you don't, you may not.


Keith

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:42 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Two days until surgery...

Hi,

In two days my 99 SD goes in to have old
(piston slap) 5.4 removed, and new (rebuilt)
5.4 installed.
I'm scared! Has anybody on this list had their
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:30:49 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

where can I find the Helm CD or the paper version, FoMoCo?
dc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Zinski, Steve [mailto:szinski richmond.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:56 PM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150


How do you like the CD-ROM version?

I ordered the paper version and it's HUGE! Very nicely done, I might add.

--Steve Zinski

- -----Original Message-----
From: Art Verling [mailto:art.verling excite.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:21 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150


I'm not sure how you did the install but, If I were going to try this I
would uninstall the copy that does not work. Copy the entire CD to the C
drive then run the install from the C drive. This will set all the pointers
to the correct locations. There are some files that you need to change if
you do not do this. They live in the Windows and the Windows\system
directory. Also there will be some references it the registry. How did you
copy the files from the CD to the C drive in the first place? If you have
any questions please email me off list.
Good Luck,
Art
art.verling excite.com





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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:52:13 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

At 2:30 PM -0800 1/14/00, Craig, Dennis wrote:
>where can I find the Helm CD or the paper version, FoMoCo?
>dc

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/hpage.html

I just wish they had a 'cheap' "Owners" level manual for the 99-SDs like
they do for my 91 Taurus and 92-F150. The wiring diagram for the Taurus was
$12, the F250SD is $60.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:53:16 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

Holy Heck, I thought my truck was expensive they want 200 for a shop manual,
and 170 for a CDROM. Is it worth it?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Lindberg [mailto:n7bsn amsat.org]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:52 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150


At 2:30 PM -0800 1/14/00, Craig, Dennis wrote:
>where can I find the Helm CD or the paper version, FoMoCo?
>dc

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/hpage.html

I just wish they had a 'cheap' "Owners" level manual for the 99-SDs like
they do for my 91 Taurus and 92-F150. The wiring diagram for the Taurus was
$12, the F250SD is $60.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:25:23 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis

And your point is???????????? And what is the "Journal of Risk
Analysis? I'm willing to bet it just doesn't exist.

//KPJ

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:03:07 -0500
From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis

The point was that people seem to yell at all "speeders" and all
inconsiderate people with "those with super-bright lights" as causing an
increased risk of accidents and death without considering the time, place,
and/or situation. The point is that accident risks depend as much or more
on the overall situation as the "violation". Go 115 MPH across North Dakota
and you will somewhat increase the risk of someone having an accident. Go
115 MPH around the Washington DC Beltway and you will approach a 100%
increase in the risk of an accident.

The Journal Risk Analysis is "An Official Publication of the Society for
Risk Analysis" (currently Volume 19, Number 5) is an International Journal
[ISSN 0272-4332] based in McLean, Virginia and provides the major official
journal publications of the Society of Risk Analysis. It is a peer-reviewed
journal often cited and well regarded. The current President is a
well-known risk assessment expert, Dr. Elisabeth L. Anderson, Sciences
International, Alexandria, Virginia.

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From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Risk Evaluation Analysis


> And your point is???????????? And what is the "Journal of Risk
> Analysis? I'm willing to bet it just doesn't exist.
>
> file://KPJ
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:04:18 -0600
From: Hollowood nothnbut.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Apology: Flames, Rants, Opinoins

I apologize to the List for causing all the self
righteous zealots to crawl out from under their
rocks!
'nuff said.....


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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:29:58 -0500
From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97up F150 Door Cracks...

> I contacted MY dealership yesterday, January 13, 2000, to check into
> this crack problem. The service manager at Nichols Ford in Fort Worth
Texas
> denied ever having any knowledge of this problem (of course), and referred
> me to the Body shop manager of the dealership. He denied the same (again,
of
> course

Hi David,

I ran into the same thing with my dealer and service dept. No one there
was aware that this problem existed....yeah right! So when I told them that
5 of the 7 used 97 or newer trucks on their lot have the 'crack' as we now
speak, they were surprised and going to look into it!


Ron

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:46:30 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion towing mileage

Im picking up a 2000 Excursion this afternoon with the 7.3 psd turbo and was
wondering what the "true mileage claims are"

I keep hereing 20mpg , and 15 towing.

Is this accurate, or am I getting a snow job

Thanks

Ken

Ken,

My brother has an '00 Excursion, his towing mileage is 12 mpg. He is towing
an inclosed fiberglass 4 place snowmobile trailer. I have '99 PSD in a F250
superduty and towing mileage is the same with a 32' travel trailer, less with
a strong head wind. 15 mpg towing is great and whoever gets it, please let
me know there secret.

John Patterson
No relation to Chris in Texas
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:51:58 EST
From: Wolvrin704 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

I was referring to highway speed, sir. Is that not what you were talking
about when you were doing over 100mph? In town and ESPECIALLY in a school
zone I rarely speed. Man you sure are a bitter person.

Jeff
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:57:09 -0600
From: Steve #1 swbell.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement

Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM wrote:

> Are people having trouble with the door crack in 1999 models?
>
> 99 F-150 SC Flareside 5.4l ORP

I've got a small crack on the driver's side, and I've seen 'em on other 99s
too.

- --
Steve #1

'99 F150 "Little Foot" Regular Cab XLT 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT 4.6
'87 K5 Blazer "Monster" Silverado 350 4X4 < FOR SALE >

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