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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES
FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?
RE: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.
Re: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)
Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES
RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)
ADMIN: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES
RE: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES
FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
FTE 97up - 1999 SD fuel system recall ??
Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)
Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?
Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
RE: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?
FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts
RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)
Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?
Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
RE: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:04:55 EST
From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

Then why did you get involved Mr. Hollywood? If you wish to keep this off
the list then YOU should have kept it off the list. Ralph, if I were you, I
would take that Rush Limbaugh comment as a compliment. Rush is extremely
intelligent and has proper, conservative views and would agree with you in
this case.

And another thing, I don't think Ralph should lighten up. If I were out on
the highway and saw an F350, 250, 150 or even just a small car, coming
towards me at 100MPH+ I would be very upset because he does not only
endanger his life but everyone he passes, and if I were there, it would be
my life he is taking in his hands and frankly I don't want my life or anyone
else's life in such irresponsible hands such as his. You say that I have no
right pushing my views and beliefs on you, well, you and whoever else wants
to do such a stupid thing has no right to take my life in yours or whoever's
hands. Going that speed on tires not rated for that is EXTREMELY dangerous.
All it takes is for one nail or one pothole in the road or someone pulling
out in front of him, or a blow out to cause him to loose control and kill
himself and others. People need to accept the responsibility of driving for
what it is. Driving is not a right it is a privilage and can and will be
taken away from irresponsible people.

So Ralph, I applaud you for your stance and encourage you to continue to
stand for what is right and I thank you.

And another thing Mr. Hollywood. Who are you to talk for the list? When
you say "Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the
rest of us would rather not listen to it........." you lumped all of us in
that including me and I was happy to hear(read) Ralph's email.

Well, I'm sure you all will have fun with this email. Sorry I could not say
all this in a shorter email but hey, LET THE FLAMES
BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>From: Hollowood nothnbut.net>
>Mr. Ralph Lindberg (aka: Rush Limbaugh):
>...one word: DECAF....lighten up! Self righteousness gets boring real
>quick.
>
>Mr. John Jensen:
>....please play 'nice' w/ Ralph.
>
>Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the rest of us
>would rather
>not listen to it.........

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:02:23 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?

Latest issue of Motor Trend, pictured a "Desert Excursion"
.I for one, like it! And would love to own it.

Is this truck actually or going to be available?

Charles.

Loaded 99.5 PSD Lariat 4X4 Auto LSD ESOF
(Presently, playing with not all of its turbocharger bolts.)

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:24:35 -0800
From: "Phil Rosenkranz" slip.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.

John,

Jeeze, just post the name and address of the judge. It sounds like there
are a few people who would like to send a letter of "support" to the judge
to "help" you out!

Phil Rosenkranz

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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Jensen -
Ericsson
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:41 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation
needed.

>>>SNIP<<<


This brings this whole email thread question... I received a citation from
a state
trooper. He clocked me at 107. Wrote me for Reckless Driving. Oddly... I am
looking to fight this being I have a top speed governor on my truck. Heck,
the
judge doesn't know about my Superchip or the use of my Gear Vendors
Overdrive.
And thus it makes the officers testimony null.

SO HELP ME OUT..... Where's this evidence of a "TOP SPEED GOVERNOR" I'm
looking for?

Hehehehe... Keep it safe,
John


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:32:18 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

Its a gray area. It depends on the dealer's opinion. Most dealers don't
sell them. I do it myself as a side job. A friend of mine that manages the
local Advance auto parts and I were buying so many chips that we decided to
become dealers to save ourselves some money. Then we started selling a few
here and there. We don't sell that many. From my experince the only chip
that makes much of a difference is the Power Stroke chip. The V-10 makes a
very slight difference (but it does shift slightly better and eliminates the
speed limiter) and the 5.4L chip seemed to make no noticible difference.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Veres" webtv.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)


> Nathan - I have heard that installing a Superchip cancels the warranty.
> Apparently that's not the case, since you're a dealer and you have sold
> them. Can we go to our regular dealers, purchase, and have the
> Superchip installed? Or is it just that some dealers say that the
> warranty is void - please advise.
> Thanx in advance, Gary
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:41:31 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

Rush Limbaugh is a "Wind Bag".....
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:56:29 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike" westgroup.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

I have run into the same situation. The Ford dealer that I bought my
Superduty from sells Superchips and actually highly recommends them on the
Diesels. He said they would not void the warranty in any way. I had
some other issues with this service department, so I started working with
another dealer. That dealer said that they would void the warranty if a
Superchip was installed in a Diesel. I asked why and he said that the
performance gain is very significant and has been causing engine and
drivetrain problems. He said there was a very distinct pattern of problems
with trucks(diesel)that have Superchips installed. Mainly failing trannys
and loss of compression in cylinders.
I asked him about Superchips in gas engines and he said they had not seen
any problems in the gas engines. He said the reason was that the diesel
gains were so much more significant than the gas engines.

As far as performance on a V10 with a chip, I would have to disagree with
Nathan on his statement. I feel that there is a significant gain. yes,
part of the gain was due to the improved shifting. But..... Before I
installed the chip, I could not burn the wheels on tar (no , I don't make
a habit of this). After the chip, I have absolutely no problem doing
this. And keep in mind that I am running a 35x12.50 tire!


Mike Strukel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:32 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)


Its a gray area. It depends on the dealer's opinion. Most dealers don't
sell them. I do it myself as a side job. A friend of mine that manages the
local Advance auto parts and I were buying so many chips that we decided to
become dealers to save ourselves some money. Then we started selling a few
here and there. We don't sell that many. From my experince the only chip
that makes much of a difference is the Power Stroke chip. The V-10 makes a
very slight difference (but it does shift slightly better and eliminates the
speed limiter) and the 5.4L chip seemed to make no noticible difference.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Veres" webtv.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)


> Nathan - I have heard that installing a Superchip cancels the warranty.
> Apparently that's not the case, since you're a dealer and you have sold
> them. Can we go to our regular dealers, purchase, and have the
> Superchip installed? Or is it just that some dealers say that the
> warranty is void - please advise.
> Thanx in advance, Gary
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:59:40 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

Gang, it's time to get back on topic. This thread, which
really belongs on a different list, has erupted into off-list
flame wars and on-list posts of everyone having to get the
last word in. Let's try to remember that we're here to
talk about our trucks.

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Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:12:26 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

I must agree with Christian 100%, accept for maybe Limbaugh, to drive a
vehicle weighing almost 3 tons or more at speeds in excess of 100 mph on
public road is not only dangerous, but CRIMINAL! The trooper not only
should have sited John for Reckless driving, but Reckless endangerment, and
then locked him up for the night. Well maybe one of these days we'll see
John on one of those Stupid Driver shows with his truck tumbling end over
end through some field. And then, as always, I will turn to my friend say,
"See, Darwin was right."

Joe
Texas - where handguns are encouraged and drivers behave.
Bush for President!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bagley [mailto:c_bagley hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:05 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

Then why did you get involved Mr. Hollywood? If you wish to keep this off
the list then YOU should have kept it off the list. Ralph, if I were you, I

would take that Rush Limbaugh comment as a compliment. Rush is extremely
intelligent and has proper, conservative views and would agree with you in
this case.

And another thing, I don't think Ralph should lighten up. If I were out on
the highway and saw an F350, 250, 150 or even just a small car, coming
towards me at 100MPH+ I would be very upset because he does not only
endanger his life but everyone he passes, and if I were there, it would be
my life he is taking in his hands and frankly I don't want my life or anyone

else's life in such irresponsible hands such as his. You say that I have no

right pushing my views and beliefs on you, well, you and whoever else wants
to do such a stupid thing has no right to take my life in yours or whoever's

hands. Going that speed on tires not rated for that is EXTREMELY dangerous.

All it takes is for one nail or one pothole in the road or someone pulling

out in front of him, or a blow out to cause him to loose control and kill
himself and others. People need to accept the responsibility of driving for

what it is. Driving is not a right it is a privilage and can and will be
taken away from irresponsible people.

So Ralph, I applaud you for your stance and encourage you to continue to
stand for what is right and I thank you.

And another thing Mr. Hollywood. Who are you to talk for the list? When
you say "Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the
rest of us would rather not listen to it........." you lumped all of us in
that including me and I was happy to hear(read) Ralph's email.

Well, I'm sure you all will have fun with this email. Sorry I could not say

all this in a shorter email but hey, LET THE FLAMES
BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>From: Hollowood nothnbut.net>
>Mr. Ralph Lindberg (aka: Rush Limbaugh):
>...one word: DECAF....lighten up! Self righteousness gets boring real
>quick.
>
>Mr. John Jensen:
>....please play 'nice' w/ Ralph.
>
>Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the rest of us

>would rather
>not listen to it.........

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:03:46 -0800
From: "family email" prodigy.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

Guys,

Im picking up a 2000 Excursion this afternoon with the 7.3 psd turbo and was
wondering what the "true mileage claims are"

I keep hereing 20mpg , and 15 towing.

Is this accurate, or am I getting a snow job

Thanks

Ken

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:06:47 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

I was perfoming my 18,000 mile oil change and it happened.

Two of the bolts that mount the Exhaust side of the housing to the mounting
base were GONE!. One of the bolts remained lodged between the mounting base
and its mounting bolt.

I'm wondering if these castings have the same charistics as Brake Rotors do.
Now the Exhaust side of the Turbo can run upwards of 1000 degrees. Can
they warp like brake rotors if the wheel is not torqued?

I suspect that there are 2 other bolts holding the Exhaust side of the turbo
under the mounting base. But if the top bolts worked their way out, what
about the concealed bolts?

ANY information on this problem would be appreciated. Is there a TSB or
Recall on this issue?

Pissed in Colorado!

1999 PSD F350 built 9-17-98.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:37:33 -0500
From: Bill ismi.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 SD fuel system recall ??

Anyone know what is involved with the fuel system recall on
1999 Super Duty's??
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:32:44 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the numbers you quoted are
in the ballpark for me. Except now, with winter 4x4 driving and "winter blend"
diesel fuel, they are much lower.

I don't know for sure if the switch in fuel actually mattered, but I did
see a drop of about 3 or 4 MPGs with the onset of cold weather - and no 4x4
driving.

Someone also said that a dirty fuel filter would cause this drop in mileage,
which
I was soon do for. The truck's a lot stiffer too in cold temperatures - more
drag.

But the big factors have always been how you drive and your truck's
configuration
(long bed/short bed, standard cab/crew cab, tires, gross weight, 2x4/4x4, ...)

family email wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Im picking up a 2000 Excursion this afternoon with the 7.3 psd turbo and was
> wondering what the "true mileage claims are"
>
> I keep hereing 20mpg , and 15 towing.
>
> Is this accurate, or am I getting a snow job
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:11:27 -0700
From: Fogg Michael S Amn 75 CS/SCM hill.af.mil>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement

Are people having trouble with the door crack in 1999 models?

99 F-150 SC Flareside 5.4l ORP

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:43:53 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

Scott, I too lost one just last week at 15K miles. I have the exploded view
drawings (two pages), from Ford, that I could fax to you if so like. Trouble
for me now has been getting the bolt(s). My dealership's Parts department
didn't have a one in stock, and had to order from the warehouse just outside
Chicago. It has been three days now and no bolt shipment yet.

Let me know if your dealer's Parts department actually has the bolts in stock.
Neither my dealership's Service or Parts department was aware of any problem
with the turbocharger's bolts falling out. They even check for as part of
routine
maintenance.

I wonder how many PSD owners are driving around with loose or missing bolts?
(No joke intended.)


Scott Matus wrote:

> I was perfoming my 18,000 mile oil change and it happened.
>
> Two of the bolts that mount the Exhaust side of the housing to the mounting
> base were GONE!. One of the bolts remained lodged between the mounting base
> and its mounting bolt.
>
> I'm wondering if these castings have the same charistics as Brake Rotors do.
> Now the Exhaust side of the Turbo can run upwards of 1000 degrees. Can
> they warp like brake rotors if the wheel is not torqued?
>
> I suspect that there are 2 other bolts holding the Exhaust side of the turbo
> under the mounting base. But if the top bolts worked their way out, what
> about the concealed bolts?
>
> ANY information on this problem would be appreciated. Is there a TSB or
> Recall on this issue?
>
> Pissed in Colorado!
>
> 1999 PSD F350 built 9-17-98.
> ______________________________________________________
> >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:53:01 -0500
From: "Mike Ruth" erols.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

NO SNOW! Figures are very consistant with what I experience. Actually, once
it is seated, expect acouple more MPG's. CONGRATS!
Mike in Baltimore
xplorit erols.com
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham agcs.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage


> I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the numbers you quoted
are
> in the ballpark for me. Except now, with winter 4x4 driving and "winter
blend"
> diesel fuel, they are much lower.
>
> I don't know for sure if the switch in fuel actually mattered, but I did
> see a drop of about 3 or 4 MPGs with the onset of cold weather - and no
4x4
> driving.
>
> Someone also said that a dirty fuel filter would cause this drop in
mileage,
> which
> I was soon do for. The truck's a lot stiffer too in cold temperatures -
more
> drag.
>
> But the big factors have always been how you drive and your truck's
> configuration
> (long bed/short bed, standard cab/crew cab, tires, gross weight, 2x4/4x4,
...)
>
> family email wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Im picking up a 2000 Excursion this afternoon with the 7.3 psd turbo and
was
> > wondering what the "true mileage claims are"
> >
> > I keep hereing 20mpg , and 15 towing.
> >
> > Is this accurate, or am I getting a snow job
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ken
> >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:06:45 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

When you add a chip you will almost always have a significant gain in a
turbo charged engine that uses the ECM to control the turbo boot/manifold
pressure. I come from the world of European performance cars, and if you
were to chip an Audi 150hp 1.8 Turbo you could easily get the motor over 200
hp and 210 ft/lbs. with a chip. But again this is done with a significant
increase in Turbo Boost pressure which intern can significantly increase
stress on the whole power train.

You will always get more bang for your buck by chipping a force aspirated
(turbo) engine verses a normally aspirated engine. Always remember, an
engine is simply an air pump and the more air you can get into it the more
power you can get out of it.

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Strukel, Mike [mailto:Mike.Strukel westgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:56 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

I have run into the same situation. The Ford dealer that I bought my
Superduty from sells Superchips and actually highly recommends them on the
Diesels. He said they would not void the warranty in any way. I had
some other issues with this service department, so I started working with
another dealer. That dealer said that they would void the warranty if a
Superchip was installed in a Diesel. I asked why and he said that the
performance gain is very significant and has been causing engine and
drivetrain problems. He said there was a very distinct pattern of problems
with trucks(diesel)that have Superchips installed. Mainly failing trannys
and loss of compression in cylinders.
I asked him about Superchips in gas engines and he said they had not seen
any problems in the gas engines. He said the reason was that the diesel
gains were so much more significant than the gas engines.

As far as performance on a V10 with a chip, I would have to disagree with
Nathan on his statement. I feel that there is a significant gain. yes,
part of the gain was due to the improved shifting. But..... Before I
installed the chip, I could not burn the wheels on tar (no , I don't make
a habit of this). After the chip, I have absolutely no problem doing
this. And keep in mind that I am running a 35x12.50 tire!


Mike Strukel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:32 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)


Its a gray area. It depends on the dealer's opinion. Most dealers don't
sell them. I do it myself as a side job. A friend of mine that manages the
local Advance auto parts and I were buying so many chips that we decided to
become dealers to save ourselves some money. Then we started selling a few
here and there. We don't sell that many. From my experince the only chip
that makes much of a difference is the Power Stroke chip. The V-10 makes a
very slight difference (but it does shift slightly better and eliminates the
speed limiter) and the 5.4L chip seemed to make no noticible difference.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Veres" webtv.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)


> Nathan - I have heard that installing a Superchip cancels the warranty.
> Apparently that's not the case, since you're a dealer and you have sold
> them. Can we go to our regular dealers, purchase, and have the
> Superchip installed? Or is it just that some dealers say that the
> warranty is void - please advise.
> Thanx in advance, Gary
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:15:47 -0600
From: Perry Klein prudhoe-bay.dowell.slb.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

Winter diesel will have a significant effect on your mileage. To keep the
stuff from gelling up they generally cut it with # 1depending on how cold
it is. You get less BTU's per gallon of fuel. You might notice a drop in
performance as well. It might be more noticeable in colder climates, I
think they "protect" the fuel to a lower temp.

pk


>I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the numbers you quoted are
>in the ballpark for me. Except now, with winter 4x4 driving and "winter blend"
>diesel fuel, they are much lower.
>
>I don't know for sure if the switch in fuel actually mattered, but I did
>see a drop of about 3 or 4 MPGs with the onset of cold weather - and no 4x4
>driving.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:32:53 EST
From: ARAFTCO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

I have a '99 psd SD 4X4 pickup with no aftermarket alterations. I chose the
3.73 rear end (which I understand is all you can get on the Excursion)
specifically because of gas mileage and average 21-22mpg on the highway and
about 18 pulling 7K-8K pounds.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:18:56 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

Being that everyone has their own darn opinion.... I can respect that.

But oddly enough, whether I take my life and make it dangerous then offer
that danger to every other driver on the road is my decision. NOW, god
forbid that I ever hurt someone else on the road. That is obviously not my
intention. But then again, I'm not slowing down because all you Rush
listeners (or whomever you all are) have your own opinion of some nut on
the road (and yes... I'm calling myself a nut). And that goes for the
asphalt, concrete, DIRT...etc.

So stay out of my way. Because if it's not me doing the speed... it'll be
some other nut. And maybe he won't be such a well observed and trained
driver like myself.

Ohhh... and can't you guys just KILL this mail?? Stick to your opinion. Or
is it to tough to keep your fingers off the keys...?? I mean come'on. GIVE
IT A BREAK.

(I bet if I took an consensus of the people on this list, the ones with the
"john is a jerk" attitude, more than likely you have not lived your life to
the extreme. Extreme meaning you don't take risks. Life threatening risks.
Shoot me if I'm wrong... but I do take those risks. Everyday in my job and
in my personal life. Heck... I get on the freeway. Now there's a RISK!!)

Have fun! :)


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:24:35 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?

I'm doing this from memory of the article....

I thought it was a showcase piece for the aftermarket crowd.
So in theory you could get one put-together. But not necessarily from Ford.

I'd expect stuff for the SD trucks shortly :-).


Charles Abraham wrote:

> Latest issue of Motor Trend, pictured a "Desert Excursion"
> .I for one, like it! And would love to own it.
>
> Is this truck actually or going to be available?
>
> Charles.
>
> Loaded 99.5 PSD Lariat 4X4 Auto LSD ESOF
> (Presently, playing with not all of its turbocharger bolts.)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:26:44 -0800
From: "family email" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 7.3 psd turbo gas mileage

Thanks Guys,

I sure hope its this Good , well be driving almost daily and towing our TT
9,000 pounds for a few 250mile trips in the summer

Ken and Sandy

> specifically because of gas mileage and average 21-22mpg on the highway
and
> about 18 pulling 7K-8K pounds.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:36:53 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

Turbo bolts...

Did you guys think it is a good idea to tighten down the turbo bolts?? I
have a new F-250 PSD and I think I will inspect them, before they fall out.
Maybe with the new truck, the turbo, mounting brackets and bolts are taking
the initial "heat set" and need to be retorqued. What do you think?? Us
"old" guys can remember re-torquing the exhaust manifolds bolts on our
"50's" cars after re-assembly (the ones we could fix). Anyone remember
that...or am I dating myself...Yuc Yuc...!!! We were "Motor Heads" then and
we still are now....chitty chitty, bang bang, rattle rattle
rattle.....PSD...Yuc Yuc Yuc....!!! Just a thought....Dave Burry from
Colorado..."Home of the Mtn Rocket"....
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:07:41 PST
From: "Scott Simpson" hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement

My '99 F250 LD 5.4 5000mi has no indication of a crack on either side.
The truck's been a gem from day 1!


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>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'97up-list ford-trucks.com'" <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:11:27 -0700
>
>Are people having trouble with the door crack in 1999 models?
>
>99 F-150 SC Flareside 5.4l ORP
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:08:45 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

One theory I've heard is that the bolt is a tad too long.
Consequently, the 300 inch pounds of torque ends up
not at the bolt's head - but at its screw thread end.

Sounds plausible.

I'm curious if Nathan has experienced this problem?

DJBurry aol.com wrote:

> Turbo bolts...
>
> Did you guys think it is a good idea to tighten down the turbo bolts?? I
> have a new F-250 PSD and I think I will inspect them, before they fall out.
> Maybe with the new truck, the turbo, mounting brackets and bolts are taking
> the initial "heat set" and need to be retorqued. What do you think?? Us
> "old" guys can remember re-torquing the exhaust manifolds bolts on our
> "50's" cars after re-assembly (the ones we could fix). Anyone remember
> that...or am I dating myself...Yuc Yuc...!!! We were "Motor Heads" then and
> we still are now....chitty chitty, bang bang, rattle rattle
> rattle.....PSD...Yuc Yuc Yuc....!!! Just a thought....Dave Burry from
> Colorado..."Home of the Mtn Rocket"....
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:52:22 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

Place a washer in the bolt to shim it up....Odle Indian Trick..
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:14:39 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?

They did this same thing with the Expedition last year. As for this being
after market, it would have to be a pretty serious after market mod
considering there's a pickup bead with a tailgate on the back of this thing.
Just by a Crew Cab F250 short bead and slap a lift kit and some honk'n tire
on it and BOOM!, you pretty much have the same vehicle. With an even more
useful bead on the back. Oh, and the new F150 Super Crew reminds me a lot
(in shape and size, any) of that Expedition off-road concept Ford had last
year. It too had a small pickup bead on it.

Joe



- -----Original Message-----
From: johny [mailto:johny netapp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:25 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?

I'm doing this from memory of the article....

I thought it was a showcase piece for the aftermarket crowd.
So in theory you could get one put-together. But not necessarily from Ford.

I'd expect stuff for the SD trucks shortly :-).


Charles Abraham wrote:

> Latest issue of Motor Trend, pictured a "Desert Excursion"
> .I for one, like it! And would love to own it.
>
> Is this truck actually or going to be available?
>
> Charles.
>
> Loaded 99.5 PSD Lariat 4X4 Auto LSD ESOF
> (Presently, playing with not all of its turbocharger bolts.)
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:37:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 30,000 mile tune-up

Hi,

Finally I took my truck to the dealer and they took it for a test drive, according to
the mechanic I need a new converter + I'm getting a new multi-tasking bar (the one by
the steering wheel). He said it will take a whole day to do that right, and I should
take it easy on the truck the first 1-2 week of driving, is that true?

Thanks Jean, what you said was right and I did get my $$$ back from him. He did change
the plugs and the wire, but because of what you told me I've got my $$$ back. Thanks

This list is the best.

Hunter.



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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:34:38 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Turbo Bolts

This makes sense. But now you have three metals with probably three
different rates of thermo expansion. Ford's answer (SSM#13127), is to
install a new bolt (same as original?) and apply high temp loctite to the
threads, torque to 199 inch pounds and then to 300 inch pounds.

DJBurry aol.com wrote:

> Place a washer in the bolt to shim it up....Odle Indian Trick..
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:03:08 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg amsat.org>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

>As far as performance on a V10 with a chip, I would have to disagree with
>Nathan on his statement. I feel that there is a significant gain. yes,
>part of the gain was due to the improved shifting. But..... Before I
>installed the chip, I could not burn the wheels on tar (no , I don't make
>a habit of this).

I dono, I managed to do it without thinking (once) without a chip.
Certainly surprized me. I bought my truck for towing power, not burnout.
Needless to say I am more careful at stoplights now.

Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:59:56 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?

So I was wrong. It is a Ford concept truck.
looking at some of the pictures, you're not going to find the dash treatment
shown :-).

http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/news57.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stangnet.com/sema/desert.html



jmann living.com wrote:

> They did this same thing with the Expedition last year. As for this being
> after market, it would have to be a pretty serious after market mod
> considering there's a pickup bead with a tailgate on the back of this thing.
> Just by a Crew Cab F250 short bead and slap a lift kit and some honk'n tire
> on it and BOOM!, you pretty much have the same vehicle. With an even more
> useful bead on the back. Oh, and the new F150 Super Crew reminds me a lot
> (in shape and size, any) of that Expedition off-road concept Ford had last
> year. It too had a small pickup bead on it.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johny [mailto:johny netapp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:25 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Desert Excursion - Fact or Fiction?
>
> I'm doing this from memory of the article....
>
> I thought it was a showcase piece for the aftermarket crowd.
> So in theory you could get one put-together. But not necessarily from Ford.
>
> I'd expect stuff for the SD trucks shortly :-).
>
> Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> > Latest issue of Motor Trend, pictured a "Desert Excursion"
> > .I for one, like it! And would love to own it.
> >
> > Is this truck actually or going to be available?
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > Loaded 99.5 PSD Lariat 4X4 Auto LSD ESOF
> > (Presently, playing with not all of its turbocharger bolts.)
> >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:17:32 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

well, here's my opinion.

as far as taking risks-life threatening risks, the highway is the wrong place
to do it. if you wanna take risks like that, climb a mountain with no rope
and harness, or go skydiving without a chute, something like that.
to take life threatening risks on the highway and put other people's lives in
danger just because you wanna drive at excess speeds. when i say excess
speeds, i mean speeds where cops can give you a ticket for reckless driving
or arrest you for the speed you were doing.
i am a speeder too, i have been driving for 8 yrs and i have not had a single
wreck yet.
it's amazing that i have had no wrecks in the last 3/1/2 yrs. i am in
oklahoma in the military. the way these people here drive like they have
their heads up their a$, it's just one more reason not to come to oklahoma
to visit, among the many reasons.
but i have a new philosophy on it, if some okie cuts me off, they are gonna
get hammered by my truck.

and speaking of taking life threatening risks, i joined the military to do
that.
to take life threatening risks on the highway with others in danger is
plainly a show of non-intelligence, it doesn't matter how well trained of a
driver you think you are.

Bill
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:21:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Art Verling excite.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

I'm not sure how you did the install but, If I were going to try this I
would uninstall the copy that does not work. Copy the entire CD to the C
drive then run the install from the C drive. This will set all the pointers
to the correct locations. There are some files that you need to change if
you do not do this. They live in the Windows and the Windows\system
directory. Also there will be some references it the registry. How did you
copy the files from the CD to the C drive in the first place? If you have
any questions please email me off list.
Good Luck,
Art
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:34:30 -0800
From: "Phil Rosenkranz" slip.net>
Subject: My opinion and rant! RE: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!

John Jensen, you arrogant bastard!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Jensen -
> Ericsson
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:19 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Everyone has an opinion don't they!
>
>
>
> Being that everyone has their own darn opinion.... I can respect that.
> But oddly enough, whether I take my life and make it dangerous then offer
> that danger to every other driver on the road is my decision. NOW, god
> forbid that I ever hurt someone else on the road. That is obviously not my
> intention. But then again, I'm not slowing down because all you Rush
> listeners (or whomever you all are) have your own opinion of some nut on
> the road (and yes... I'm calling myself a nut). And that goes for the
> asphalt, concrete, DIRT...etc.

You state that you can respect the opinion of others, but then you list how
you are willing to risk the lives of others because of your lust for danger!
How dare you think that because of your willingness to throw your life into
the toilet, that others share your lack of respect for life and health!

>
> So stay out of my way.

Jeeze, what an arrogant ass!

> Because if it's not me doing the speed... it'll be
> some other nut. And maybe he won't be such a well observed and trained
> driver like myself.

I really doubt your drivers training! Any professional driver, professional
skills not just livelihood, would respect safety rules, and the lives of
others! How about if you list all of your driving qualifications to impress
us.

>
> Ohhh... and can't you guys just KILL this mail?? Stick to your opinion. Or
> is it to tough to keep your fingers off the keys...?? I mean come'on. GIVE
> IT A BREAK.

I will stick to my opinion, you must be an immature, young driver who
doesn't yet realize his own mortality!

>
> (I bet if I took an consensus of the people on this list, the
> ones with the
> "john is a jerk" attitude, more than likely you have not lived
> your life to
> the extreme. Extreme meaning you don't take risks. Life threatening risks.
> Shoot me if I'm wrong... but I do take those risks. Everyday in my job and
> in my personal life. Heck... I get on the freeway. Now there's a RISK!!)....


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