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From: owner-97up-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (97up-list-digest) To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 97up-list-digest V3 #11 Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 97up-list-digest Thursday, January 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 011 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150 RE: FTE 97up - door replacement RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150 RE: FTE 97up - door replacement FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection Re: FTE 97up - door replacement Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N Re: FTE 97up - door replacement FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES FTE 97up - My Kinda Truck Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own FTE 97up - Reckless Driving FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan) ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:37:05 -0500 From: Dean Baruffi Subject: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150 I just received my copy of the 2000 F-150 Shop manuals on CD from Helms. It's great but I have a question. Does anyone know how I can run this with our using the CD? I copied the CD to a folder and then edited the ... ord\pubs\programs\info1.ini file to point to a folder on the C: drive instead of a "REMOVABLE" device and it keeps asking me for the 2000 volume on the C: drive location that I put in. If I put the CD back in, it goes right to the CD even though I put a path for the C: drive. The reason I want to run off a hard drive instead of a CD is, I have a very small laptop with no internal CD that I want to use this on. Any ideas? Thanks, Dean == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:59:46 -0600 From: jmann living.com Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement I'll have to go back through the messages a figure out how to identify these areas on the door. - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fairleigh [mailto:mikef sky.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 6:51 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement I've heard people on the list say it doesn't effect the 2000's, but there is a 2000 F-150 in the parking lot at my office that has cracks on both doors. Sorry... Mike Fairleigh mikef sky.net ...Always remembering our veterans. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement > Does anyone know if this is a problem in the 2000 F150s?? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Pogatetz [mailto:Doug_Pogatetz mw.3com.com] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:53 AM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 97up - door replacement > > > > I have the door issue also. I had just went out of the 3 year warranty when > I > brought it in. They are being pretty cool. There is a factory fix coming > out. > They are waiting for that. It is something so that they don't have to > replace > the whole door. > > Doug > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:04:46 -0600 From: jmann living.com Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150 It may be looking for a disk named "2000" of something of the sort. Try naming your c: drive the same name as the CD-ROM. How much was the CD? - -----Original Message----- From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 8:37 AM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150 I just received my copy of the 2000 F-150 Shop manuals on CD from Helms. It's great but I have a question. Does anyone know how I can run this with our using the CD? I copied the CD to a folder and then edited the ... ord\pubs\programs\info1.ini file to point to a folder on the C: drive instead of a "REMOVABLE" device and it keeps asking me for the 2000 volume on the C: drive location that I put in. If I put the CD back in, it goes right to the CD even though I put a path for the C: drive. The reason I want to run off a hard drive instead of a CD is, I have a very small laptop with no internal CD that I want to use this on. Any ideas? Thanks, Dean == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:14:28 -0700 From: "Peter Taylor" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement It's rather easy to find the cracks if you have them. Look about 1-2 inches above the bottom of the window, right above the handle. If you need something more pictorial, look at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html FYI, I've had my replacement door on order since Sept, and am still waiting. The story I get from my service guy is that they are all on national backorder. I think that this translates into Ford is trying to figure out something else besides replacing the whole door. Which is fine with me. Replacing the door seems to open a whole other can of worms and more potential problems. Sorry, but I haven't been too impressed with the quality of service that I've gotten at my Ford Dealer. Nuf said. Peter Taylor The Ford Crack Page Guy. jmann living.com wrote: >I'll have to go back through the messages a figure out how to identify these >areas on the door. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:54:24 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection Check out the Ford press releases on the web site for the new Ford Escape SUV and the new SUV roll-over protection system Ford is introduction. You'll see the links on the sites "What's New" heading the main page. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:14:53 -0500 From: "Mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement > I've heard people on the list say it doesn't effect the 2000's, but there is > a 2000 F-150 in the parking lot at my office that has cracks on both doors. > Sorry... > My 1998 F150 driver's door had "the crack", the passenger door did not. The dealer said they hadn't seen the passenger doors come in with cracks. They drilled a hole at the end of the crack then ground out the crack, welded it, ground it smooth and painted the area. Came out acceptable. They said that they weren't replacing doors. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:18:48 -0500 From: "Mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N > I don't think a K&N or the Air Tornado will net you much in the way of > measurable increases,but I do likethe K7N filters because the bottom line is > they let more air into the motor. The elements allow air to pass more > smoothly and freely thru. The Air Tornado system causes turbulence. It's > their premise that this turbulent air is more effective in heling with teh > aspiration of the engine. If you looka t what they each claim to do, K&N > and Air Tornado are at the opposite end of the argument. One smooths out the > air flow, the other causes turbulence. I don't know if it makes one bit of > difference, but I spoke to a performance specialist about this a couple > years ago, and he said go with the K&N and do not combine the two. > I bought an air tornado after reading all the propaganda on it. What a piece of dog scat. It's a ripoff, a con, junk, forget it, don't even think about it, buy something that adds air like a K&N and forget the "magic elixir". If anyone wants my air tornado I will sell it to them for postage and handling, obo. Steve == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:57:08 -0800 From: John Jensen - Ericsson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N I run a Filtercharger kit from K&N on my F350 7.5 L Supercharged rig and didn't notice any difference. I'm sure if there is one it's so slight. And being that it is better airflow over stock, it has to be a good thing right!? Say yes.. cuz the darn thing was over a $100~! Heheheheh... Oh ya.. and it looks cool. It's as big as a couple 1 gallon coffee cans taped together. Have fun, John At 04:18 PM 1/12/00 -0500, Mitchell wrote: > >> I don't think a K&N or the Air Tornado will net you much in the way of >> measurable increases,but I do likethe K7N filters because the bottom line >is >> they let more air into the motor. The elements allow air to pass more >> smoothly and freely thru. The Air Tornado system causes turbulence. It's >> their premise that this turbulent air is more effective in heling with teh >> aspiration of the engine. If you looka t what they each claim to do, K&N >> and Air Tornado are at the opposite end of the argument. One smooths out >the >> air flow, the other causes turbulence. I don't know if it makes one bit >of >> difference, but I spoke to a performance specialist about this a couple >> years ago, and he said go with the K&N and do not combine the two. >> > > >I bought an air tornado after reading all the propaganda on it. What a >piece of dog scat. It's a ripoff, a con, junk, forget it, don't even think >about it, buy something that adds air like a K&N and forget the "magic >elixir". If anyone wants my air tornado I will sell it to them for postage >and handling, obo. > >Steve > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:43:16 -0600 From: Kevin Jerome Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement The reason they don't see the door crack that often on the passenger side is because that window is rolled (motored) up and down nearly as much as the driver's side. Try this - turn the key to accessories, open your door bend down so that your eye is almost even with the outside of the door and sight down the door. Now roll your window down, then back up and watch the door frame deflect (bend) about 1/8 to 1/4 inch. This repeated stress causes metal fatigue and the infamous door crack. The only way to fix the real problem is to strengthen the door frame. I've read some posts on other F-150 sites where the dealer has gone in and welded a metal bracket inside the door to reinforce that area. Just grinding out the crack and filling it with weld will only prolong the problem. Me? I just don't roll my window up all the way tight - just enough to keep the weather out. Until Ford designs a real fix, I don't want the dealer taking a MIG welder to my truck!!!!!!!! //Kevin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:26:53 -0600 From: Hollowood Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES Mr. Ralph Lindberg (aka: Rush Limbaugh): ...one word: DECAF....lighten up! Self righteousness gets boring real quick. Mr. John Jensen: ....please play 'nice' w/ Ralph. Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the rest of us would rather not listen to it......... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:01:34 -0800 From: Glenn See Subject: FTE 97up - My Kinda Truck I like a pickup that looks like a truck And not like a tropical fish Or a two-ton poodle with running lights Or a mutant frog on a leash Give me one tough as a cast-iron skillet With a bumper that's extra large And a hood that weighs over eighty-five pounds And looks like the prow of a barge. I like style but since when should a truck Be touted for comfort and ride. Power windows on pickups? Reminds me of jeans With a zipper that zips up the side. They should soak up the dents of every-day life Like a boxer losin' his teeth. And I like a truck, when you open the hood You can see the ground underneath! Pickups are like welding gloves. The pockmarks are part of the deal. Not pretty, just built to get the job done Like the dummy behind the wheel. Don't get me wrong, I know beauty's skin deep And ugly is in the eye, But to find out if your truck is my kinda truck Here's a test that you can apply. If you have a small wreck in the parking lot By backin' a little too far, Your only worry is how big a mess You made of the other guy's car. Baxter Black == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:37:32 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own Large, safe, secure, "intimidating" heavy vehicles will never do out of favor for the crowd that can somehow beg, borrow or stea-- for it. The market will always exist, however, you are correct in that the novelty has totally worn off. I had a brand new 1987 Toyota 4-Runner (Black) and people used to come up to it and "oooh and ahhhh" at it and ask me lots of questions. Those days are gone. Now, they do "oooh and ahhhh" about my 1967 RS/SS Camero, Deluxe Interior w/Console & gauges, Number-matching 396 cubic-inch Big-Block V-8, 4-speed Muncie transmission and a 12-bolt rear. Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Union Auto To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own > a 3/4 will be worth more the a 1/2 ton, however it is usually less than > $1,000 more. I begining to think that long term neither will be the > greatest property. The market is getting so flooded with pickups that once > the fad wears off (and gas prices go up) the trucks are going to get cheap. > Sport utilitys have already started. Late model sport utilitys aren't > bringing anywhere near book prices and are still droping. I expect trucks > to do the same in a few years. > > Nathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: <97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:45 AM > Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own > > > > Nathan, > > > > Thanks for the comment. The fact remains, however, an F-250SD can be > bought > > for about the same money as an F-150HD in Lariat trim. Also, I've been > > rather amazed at how well my 1990 F-250HD SC Lariat Diesel has held it's > > value on the used truck market. IMO, the F-250 is a much better buy for > > towing purposes. > > > > What is your take on LONG term depreciation between the F-150 and the > F-250? > > > > Thanks, > > Butch > > > > > > Don't compare 1 year depreciation on F-150 vs F-250. Due to the fact that > the > > Super Duty is so new, their bringing a premium used (so did the F150 when > it > > came out), but once the newness wears off it will be comparable. If you > go > > back to 1996 to compare, or compare Dodge's that's how to find out how > much a > > 3/4ton will be worth compared to a 1/2. > > > > Nathan > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: <97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 8:00 AM > > Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own > > > > > > > I was looking into buying an F-150HD SC Lariat with the 5.4 and > automatic. > > > At $150 over invoice it would have run a bit under $26K optioned out the > > way > > > I want. So, just for fun I checked out the cost for an F-250SD SC > Lariat > > > with the V-10 and automatic with similar equipment. At the same $150 > over > > > invoice it also would have run a bit under $26K. > > > > > > Wow, I thought the F-250 would have been a lot more money compared to > the > > > F-150. But, there are some features included in the F-250 that are > extra > > > cost on the F-150. Clearly, for towing work, the F-250 looked like the > > > better buy. For a nice looking truck that rides like a car, the F-150 > > seems > > > to take it. > > > > > > Then, just for fun, I decided to compare depreciation. The F-250 holds > a > > > much higher percentage of its invoice price than does the F-150 at the > one > > > year point. > > > > > > Consequently, guys, I've decided I can't afford the higher cost of > > ownership > > > of the F-150. Frankly, I was VERY surprised by the outcome of my little > > desk > > > top analysis. > > > > > > Any comments? > > > > > > Butch > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:23:06 EST From: PaulinMO aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - Reckless Driving Well, let's see, first John crows: >I received a citation from a state trooper. He clocked me at 107. Wrote me for >Reckless Driving. Oddly... I am looking to fight this being I have a top speed >governor on my truck. Heck, the judge doesn't know about my Superchip or the >use of my Gear Vendors Overdrive. And thus it makes the officers testimony null. and then when Ralph suggests he simply pay his well-deserved ticket, the Superchip conveniently disappears: >My Superchip was not installed, but had been sent back to >Superchip for recalibration. So where is this wrong? Huh smartypants?! Sooo, the point about the judge not knowing about the Superchip and Overdrive was.......exactly what, John? And finally, John implies that Ralph might be an "A-hole". Don't you just love irony? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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