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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150
RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection
Re: FTE 97up - door replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N
Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N
Re: FTE 97up - door replacement
FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES
FTE 97up - My Kinda Truck
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own
FTE 97up - Reckless Driving
FTE 97up - Superchips (Nathan)

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:37:05 -0500
From: Dean Baruffi yale.edu>
Subject: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

I just received my copy of the 2000 F-150 Shop manuals on CD from Helms.
It's great but I have a question.
Does anyone know how I can run this with our using the CD? I copied the CD
to a folder and then edited the ... ord\pubs\programs\info1.ini file to
point to a folder on the C: drive instead of a "REMOVABLE" device and it
keeps asking me for the 2000 volume on the C: drive location that I put in.
If I put the CD back in, it goes right to the CD even though I put a path
for the C: drive.

The reason I want to run off a hard drive instead of a CD is, I have a very
small laptop with no internal CD that I want to use this on.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Dean



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:59:46 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement

I'll have to go back through the messages a figure out how to identify these
areas on the door.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fairleigh [mailto:mikef sky.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 6:51 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement

I've heard people on the list say it doesn't effect the 2000's, but there is
a 2000 F-150 in the parking lot at my office that has cracks on both doors.
Sorry...

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.


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From: living.com>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement


> Does anyone know if this is a problem in the 2000 F150s??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Pogatetz [mailto:Doug_Pogatetz mw.3com.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:53 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - door replacement
>
>
>
> I have the door issue also. I had just went out of the 3 year warranty
when
> I
> brought it in. They are being pretty cool. There is a factory fix coming
> out.
> They are waiting for that. It is something so that they don't have to
> replace
> the whole door.
>
> Doug
>

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:04:46 -0600
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

It may be looking for a disk named "2000" of something of the sort. Try
naming your c: drive the same name as the CD-ROM.

How much was the CD?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 8:37 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Helm CD for 2000 F-150

I just received my copy of the 2000 F-150 Shop manuals on CD from Helms.
It's great but I have a question.
Does anyone know how I can run this with our using the CD? I copied the CD
to a folder and then edited the ... ord\pubs\programs\info1.ini file to
point to a folder on the C: drive instead of a "REMOVABLE" device and it
keeps asking me for the 2000 volume on the C: drive location that I put in.
If I put the CD back in, it goes right to the CD even though I put a path
for the C: drive.

The reason I want to run off a hard drive instead of a CD is, I have a very
small laptop with no internal CD that I want to use this on.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Dean



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:14:28 -0700
From: "Peter Taylor" tvantageinc.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement

It's rather easy to find the cracks if you have them. Look about 1-2 inches
above the bottom of the window, right above the handle. If you need
something more pictorial, look at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://arrowaranch.com/truck/crack.html

FYI, I've had my replacement door on order since Sept, and am still waiting.
The story I get from my service guy is that they are all on national
backorder. I think that this translates into Ford is trying to figure out
something else besides replacing the whole door. Which is fine with me.
Replacing the door seems to open a whole other can of worms and more
potential problems. Sorry, but I haven't been too impressed with the
quality of service that I've gotten at my Ford Dealer. Nuf said.

Peter Taylor
The Ford Crack Page Guy.

jmann living.com wrote:

>I'll have to go back through the messages a figure out how to identify
these
>areas on the door.


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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:54:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Ford SUV and SUV roll-over protection

Check out the Ford press releases on the web site for the
new Ford Escape SUV and the new SUV roll-over protection
system Ford is introduction. You'll see the links on
the sites "What's New" heading the main page.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:14:53 -0500
From: "Mitchell" maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement

> I've heard people on the list say it doesn't effect the 2000's, but there
is
> a 2000 F-150 in the parking lot at my office that has cracks on both
doors.
> Sorry...
>


My 1998 F150 driver's door had "the crack", the passenger door did not. The
dealer said they hadn't seen the passenger doors come in with cracks. They
drilled a hole at the end of the crack then ground out the crack, welded it,
ground it smooth and painted the area. Came out acceptable. They said that
they weren't replacing doors.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:18:48 -0500
From: "Mitchell" maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N

> I don't think a K&N or the Air Tornado will net you much in the way of
> measurable increases,but I do likethe K7N filters because the bottom line
is
> they let more air into the motor. The elements allow air to pass more
> smoothly and freely thru. The Air Tornado system causes turbulence. It's
> their premise that this turbulent air is more effective in heling with teh
> aspiration of the engine. If you looka t what they each claim to do, K&N
> and Air Tornado are at the opposite end of the argument. One smooths out
the
> air flow, the other causes turbulence. I don't know if it makes one bit
of
> difference, but I spoke to a performance specialist about this a couple
> years ago, and he said go with the K&N and do not combine the two.
>


I bought an air tornado after reading all the propaganda on it. What a
piece of dog scat. It's a ripoff, a con, junk, forget it, don't even think
about it, buy something that adds air like a K&N and forget the "magic
elixir". If anyone wants my air tornado I will sell it to them for postage
and handling, obo.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:57:08 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Tornado and K&N

I run a Filtercharger kit from K&N on my F350 7.5 L Supercharged rig and
didn't notice any difference. I'm sure if there is one it's so slight. And
being that it is better airflow over stock, it has to be a good thing
right!? Say yes.. cuz the darn thing was over a $100~! Heheheheh... Oh
ya.. and it looks cool. It's as big as a couple 1 gallon coffee cans taped
together.

Have fun,
John

At 04:18 PM 1/12/00 -0500, Mitchell wrote:
>
>> I don't think a K&N or the Air Tornado will net you much in the way of
>> measurable increases,but I do likethe K7N filters because the bottom line
>is
>> they let more air into the motor. The elements allow air to pass more
>> smoothly and freely thru. The Air Tornado system causes turbulence. It's
>> their premise that this turbulent air is more effective in heling with teh
>> aspiration of the engine. If you looka t what they each claim to do, K&N
>> and Air Tornado are at the opposite end of the argument. One smooths out
>the
>> air flow, the other causes turbulence. I don't know if it makes one bit
>of
>> difference, but I spoke to a performance specialist about this a couple
>> years ago, and he said go with the K&N and do not combine the two.
>>
>
>
>I bought an air tornado after reading all the propaganda on it. What a
>piece of dog scat. It's a ripoff, a con, junk, forget it, don't even think
>about it, buy something that adds air like a K&N and forget the "magic
>elixir". If anyone wants my air tornado I will sell it to them for postage
>and handling, obo.
>
>Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:43:16 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door replacement

The reason they don't see the door crack that often on the passenger
side is because that window is rolled (motored) up and down nearly as
much as the driver's side. Try this - turn the key to accessories,
open your door bend down so that your eye is almost even with the
outside of the door and sight down the door. Now roll your window down,
then back up and watch the door frame deflect (bend) about 1/8 to 1/4
inch. This repeated stress causes metal fatigue and the infamous door
crack. The only way to fix the real problem is to strengthen the door
frame. I've read some posts on other F-150 sites where the dealer has
gone in and welded a metal bracket inside the door to reinforce that
area. Just grinding out the crack and filling it with weld will only
prolong the problem.

Me? I just don't roll my window up all the way tight - just enough to
keep the weather out. Until Ford designs a real fix, I don't want the
dealer taking a MIG welder to my truck!!!!!!!!

//Kevin

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:26:53 -0600
From: Hollowood nothnbut.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Top speed governor documentation FLAMES

Mr. Ralph Lindberg (aka: Rush Limbaugh):
...one word: DECAF....lighten up! Self righteousness gets boring real quick.

Mr. John Jensen:
....please play 'nice' w/ Ralph.

Thank You (both) for taking any further 'episodes' off-line, the rest of us would rather
not listen to it.........



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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:01:34 -0800
From: Glenn See telapex.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - My Kinda Truck

I like a pickup that looks like a truck
And not like a tropical fish
Or a two-ton poodle with running lights
Or a mutant frog on a leash

Give me one tough as a cast-iron skillet
With a bumper that's extra large
And a hood that weighs over eighty-five pounds
And looks like the prow of a barge.

I like style but since when should a truck
Be touted for comfort and ride.
Power windows on pickups? Reminds me of jeans
With a zipper that zips up the side.

They should soak up the dents of every-day life
Like a boxer losin' his teeth.
And I like a truck, when you open the hood
You can see the ground underneath!

Pickups are like welding gloves.
The pockmarks are part of the deal.
Not pretty, just built to get the job done
Like the dummy behind the wheel.

Don't get me wrong, I know beauty's skin deep
And ugly is in the eye,
But to find out if your truck is my kinda truck
Here's a test that you can apply.

If you have a small wreck in the parking lot
By backin' a little too far,
Your only worry is how big a mess
You made of the other guy's car.

Baxter Black

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:37:32 -0500
From: "Keith Veren" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own

Large, safe, secure, "intimidating" heavy vehicles will never do out of
favor for the crowd that can somehow beg, borrow or stea-- for it. The
market will always exist, however, you are correct in that the novelty has
totally worn off. I had a brand new 1987 Toyota 4-Runner (Black) and people
used to come up to it and "oooh and ahhhh" at it and ask me lots of
questions. Those days are gone. Now, they do "oooh and ahhhh" about my
1967 RS/SS Camero, Deluxe Interior w/Console & gauges, Number-matching 396
cubic-inch Big-Block V-8, 4-speed Muncie transmission and a 12-bolt rear.

Keith




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From: Union Auto adiis.net>
To: <97up-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own


> a 3/4 will be worth more the a 1/2 ton, however it is usually less than
> $1,000 more. I begining to think that long term neither will be the
> greatest property. The market is getting so flooded with pickups that
once
> the fad wears off (and gas prices go up) the trucks are going to get
cheap.
> Sport utilitys have already started. Late model sport utilitys aren't
> bringing anywhere near book prices and are still droping. I expect trucks
> to do the same in a few years.
>
> Nathan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aol.com>
> To: <97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:45 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy and Own
>
>
> > Nathan,
> >
> > Thanks for the comment. The fact remains, however, an F-250SD can be
> bought
> > for about the same money as an F-150HD in Lariat trim. Also, I've been
> > rather amazed at how well my 1990 F-250HD SC Lariat Diesel has held it's
> > value on the used truck market. IMO, the F-250 is a much better buy for
> > towing purposes.
> >
> > What is your take on LONG term depreciation between the F-150 and the
> F-250?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Butch
> >
> >
> > Don't compare 1 year depreciation on F-150 vs F-250. Due to the fact
that
> the
> > Super Duty is so new, their bringing a premium used (so did the F150
when
> it
> > came out), but once the newness wears off it will be comparable. If you
> go
> > back to 1996 to compare, or compare Dodge's that's how to find out how
> much a
> > 3/4ton will be worth compared to a 1/2.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > - ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aol.com>
> > To: <97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 8:00 AM
> > Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own
> >
> >
> > > I was looking into buying an F-150HD SC Lariat with the 5.4 and
> automatic.
> > > At $150 over invoice it would have run a bit under $26K optioned out
the
> > way
> > > I want. So, just for fun I checked out the cost for an F-250SD SC
> Lariat
> > > with the V-10 and automatic with similar equipment. At the same $150
> over
> > > invoice it also would have run a bit under $26K.
> > >
> > > Wow, I thought the F-250 would have been a lot more money compared to
> the
> > > F-150. But, there are some features included in the F-250 that are
> extra
> > > cost on the F-150. Clearly, for towing work, the F-250 looked like
the
> > > better buy. For a nice looking truck that rides like a car, the F-150
> > seems
> > > to take it.
> > >
> > > Then, just for fun, I decided to compare depreciation. The F-250
holds
> a
> > > much higher percentage of its invoice price than does the F-150 at the
> one
> > > year point.
> > >
> > > Consequently, guys, I've decided I can't afford the higher cost of
> > ownership
> > > of the F-150. Frankly, I was VERY surprised by the outcome of my
little
> > desk
> > > top analysis.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > Butch
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:23:06 EST
From: PaulinMO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Reckless Driving

Well, let's see, first John crows:
>I received a citation from a state trooper. He clocked me at 107. Wrote me
for >Reckless Driving. Oddly... I am looking to fight this being I have a top
speed >governor on my truck. Heck, the judge doesn't know about my Superchip
or the
>use of my Gear Vendors Overdrive. And thus it makes the officers testimony
null.

and then when Ralph suggests he simply pay his well-deserved ticket, the
Superchip conveniently disappears:

>My Superchip was not installed, but had been sent back to

>Superchip for recalibration. So where is this wrong? Huh smartypants?!

Sooo, the point about the judge not knowing about the Superchip and Overdrive
was.......exactly what, John?

And finally, John implies that Ralph might be an "A-hole". Don't you just
love irony?
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