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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Stuck 250
Re: FTE 97up - RE: replacement
RE: FTE 97up - superduty probs
Re: FTE 97up - superduty probs
FTE 97up - door replacement
FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own
FTE 97up - Mirrors / etc....
FTE 97up - Frosty Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.
FTE 97up - Post PSD Fuel Filter Change Report
FTE 97up - Ford Dealer Qualifications
Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.
FTE 97up - 30,000 service
FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com
RE: FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com
FTE 97up - Questions for Bob
Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 service
Re: FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com
Re: FTE 97up - Post PSD Fuel Filter Change Report
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own
FTE 97up - Need Help on Turbo Bolt Part Number
Re: FTE 97up - RE: replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Need Help on Turbo Bolt Part Number
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
RE: FTE 97up - F-150HD???
RE: FTE 97up - door replacement
FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.
Re: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.
Re: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:05:34 EST
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Stuck 250

I don't understand what good a wench would do in this situation.
Maybe get the attention of a passing truck, to help pull you out?
Can we assume you're not married or otherwise attached? I know my wife would
object to my carrying a wench with me in case I got stuck.
Bill ;-)

ORIGINAL POST:

<< From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

well after sticking my F250SD PSD in the mud last night , it pretty much
convinced me the i need that extra 2in clearance in the front with the front
leveling, i will be ordering something this week. Will let you guys know
what i think about it when i get the kit and install.

BTW : 5hrs of digging and braking jerk strap 3 times is not my ideal
weekend. Wish i had pics of it, but it was dark. all i can say is if you
put a F250SD on the axles, its not going to move.

In the future i can see a wench on the front or one that goes in revicever.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:38:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: replacement

I didn't, but I had problem replacing my spare tire. I had 8 cuts on it and they look
really bad, scary bad. The dealer won't even think about it, he start laughing and
said all trucks spare tire look like that. Has anyone replaced the spare tire?

Hunter.


> Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and they
> will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with a
> door replacement..?
>
> thanks Boomer

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:42:14 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike" westgroup.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - superduty probs

Aaron,


Let me know what part of Minneapolis you live in. I live in a southern
suburb (Prior Lake) and have dealt with many of the Ford dealers. I can
make some recommendations.

Mike

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Subject: FTE 97up - superduty probs


Recently while driving at 65 with the cruise on my speedo suddenly dropped
to zero, the ABS light came on, and the tach climbed about 200 rpms. After a

few moments everything returned to normal. Later it happened again, and the
service engine soon light came on. The engine service warning stayed on for
the remaining 2 hours of my trip, but the other symptoms did not repeat. Any

ideas out there?

I'm planning to bring my truck in to a dealer but am new to the Minneapolis,

Mn area and do not yet have a dealer I feel comfortable with. Any
suggestions?

My truck is a 99 superduty, v-10, auto, 3.73, about 29,000 miles. I have a
k&n filter and dynomax muffler (these mods along with a light foot on the
throttle have helped me reach a high of 15.8 mpg) Under a load (bobcat,
trailer, tools, materials, about 11,000lbs) she has slightly better throttle

response than our 97 powerstroke and then they are dead even.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:25:08 -0800
From: "family email" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - superduty probs

Mike,

I just read your note here and see your from Mpls.As I am as well.

I am going to be buying a PSD Excursion this week, and was wondering what
dealers in the area are good as far as service goes. If possible I might buy
the vehicle from them too , so that I can have a "realitionship" with them

Thanks

Ken O
Eagan, MN

> Let me know what part of Minneapolis you live in. I live in a southern
> suburb (Prior Lake) and have dealt with many of the Ford dealers. I can
> make some recommendations.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:52:50 -0600
From: "Doug Pogatetz" mw.3com.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - door replacement

I have the door issue also. I had just went out of the 3 year warranty when I
brought it in. They are being pretty cool. There is a factory fix coming out.
They are waiting for that. It is something so that they don't have to replace
the whole door.

Doug

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Bill,
I have installed a Gibson cat-back, KN filter, tornado air intake
modification sleeve and a hyper tech chip. All of these items were
installed for performance modification and to aid in towing a fifth wheel.
I did notice a substantial increase in torque, however, my mileage only
increased about 2 mpg. I now get 12-14 towing and about 18 hwy. One
drawback is with a computer modification of my type, I have to use premium
fuel. Since gas prices in my area are high (1.50 gallon for premium) the
price offsets the mods. Performance wise, I feel a substantial increase.
Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and they
will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with a
door replacement..?

thanks Boomer


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:00:30 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own

I was looking into buying an F-150HD SC Lariat with the 5.4 and automatic.
At $150 over invoice it would have run a bit under $26K optioned out the way
I want. So, just for fun I checked out the cost for an F-250SD SC Lariat
with the V-10 and automatic with similar equipment. At the same $150 over
invoice it also would have run a bit under $26K.

Wow, I thought the F-250 would have been a lot more money compared to the
F-150. But, there are some features included in the F-250 that are extra
cost on the F-150. Clearly, for towing work, the F-250 looked like the
better buy. For a nice looking truck that rides like a car, the F-150 seems
to take it.

Then, just for fun, I decided to compare depreciation. The F-250 holds a
much higher percentage of its invoice price than does the F-150 at the one
year point.

Consequently, guys, I've decided I can't afford the higher cost of ownership
of the F-150. Frankly, I was VERY surprised by the outcome of my little desk
top analysis.

Any comments?

Butch
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:38:05 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Mirrors / etc....

I have the same vehicle as you do. I also have the CD-ROM that has the
complete wiring diagrams.

Point 1: I can e-mail you the pinout and picture of the harness.

Point 2: I have had my fender liners out. There are 2 locating pin holes
in the fender about 4" apart. Below this line of holes is another hole
below about 1-1/2" and approximately 3/4" diameter.
(my guess here is that Ford will offer Fender Blinkers within the badge.) I
installed the fender blinkers from a late model Saab about 2" below my
badges.

Scott

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:17:05 EST
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - TT mirrors

Mornin!

1) Hopefully someone out there has disassembled there truck a little
further
than I have. I have a 99 F250SD with the stock power mirrors. I want to
change to the 2000 power trailer tow mirrors, but my dealer cant seem to
figure out if the plugs will be the same till they order them in, and of
course, hit me for a restocking charge if they dont work! Anybody tried
this,
or upgraded their 99 to the 2000 power mirrors?

2) Anyone had to replace the badges on the fender yet? I need to know if
they have a locating pin behind them, and the corresponding hole in the
fender..??

TIA!

Scott

99 F250 SD SC PSD 6Spd
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:44:57 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Frosty Mirrors

I have a solution for you.

Make sure you Rain-X the mirrors.

Just carry a milk jug of HOT water with you in the morning.

The Rain-x disperses the water and the heat will maintain water not ice
while the water drains off.

Scott.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:05:43 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.

No the 351 in the later F-series is a Windsor not a Modified or Cleavland.
It doesn't produce the power the original engines did due to emmisions and
mileage concerns.

Nathan

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Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.


> At 01:19 PM 1/9/00 EST, you wrote:
> >hey eveyone. i was watching car and driver tv this morning and they
talked
> >about a mercury cyclone sports car from back in the 70s. it had the 351
> >windsor engine. it said it put out a factory 290 hp and 385lbft.
torque.
> >i am wondering if these specs are the same for the engine put in the ford
> >trucks.
> >if so, this engine would have put chevy's 350 to shame, even with vortec
> >heads used since '94.
> >
> >thanks for the info
> >
> >bill
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> Bill:
>
> Nope. The 351 in my '97 F250HD is a 351M. "M" for modified. Seems this
> engine traces its lineage to a 400, destroked to 351 for fuel economy and
> emissions reasons. Not the same engine as the 351W (Windsor) or 351C
> (Cleveland). Quoting output from memory, my engine makes 200 HP at
3800rpm
> and 330 ft-lb at 1900 rpm. It is definitely a puller. And it runs out of
> steam, making mostly noise during passing maneuvers.
>
> Steve O.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:23:13 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Post PSD Fuel Filter Change Report

Well I did it. I successfully changed my fuel filter over the weekend.
Thanks to the members here on their posts and direct e-mails, it helped
a lot. And your right, the task is pretty simple and easy to do.

I used my oil filter wrench to loosen the cap on the housing. Drained
the sump by opening the water-in-fuel drain valve. And removed the
old filter and replaced it with the new one. (Yes, I also remove the old
bevel gasket and installed a new one along with a new O-ring gasket.)
I then hand tighten the cap back on and gave it about a 3/4 turn with
the filter wrench to it made contact with the aluminum housing - you can
feel it.

On the inside of the sump walls I found long, aluminum thread shavings.
That was certainly a surprise to me, so I carefully removed them. Anyone
encounter such artifacts?

Also, during the change process I happened to glance up at my turbo unit
to discover one of the bolts missing. I check the bolts regularly, and know
for a fact the missing bolt was there last week when I had changed my oil.
I know there is a TSB on this problem - but never expected it to happen so
quickly to me.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:37:52 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Dealer Qualifications

I have a problem with the dealers' service departments. I have been
searcing the Denver Ford market for a warranty dealer for 2 weeks now.

I speak with the Service Manager at each dealership. I proceed to ask them
the same question, "What makes your Ford service stand out ffrom the rest of
the dealerships in the Denver market?"

I usually hear a long pause and one of two responses - "I have never been
asked that question.? and I don't know how to answer that question!"

I'm fed up with the lack of professionalism in the Factory Warranty market.
I would love to perform all of my own repairs. I simply don't know what to
do.

Does anyone know of a database or evaluation website that I can qualify
these dealers on service?

Scott

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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:55:25 PST
From: "Aaron Martin" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - superduty probs



I'm planning to bring my truck in to a dealer but am new to the Minneapolis,
Mn area and do not yet have a dealer I feel comfortable with. Any
suggestions?
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:31:38 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.

I also sprung a high pressure oil leak at the fuel rails, around 5K miles. (And
over
this past weekend discovered I was missing one of the bolts on the turbo unit.)
Otherwise, everything has been perfect.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> -i had a probelm on my 99 F250SD PSD.sc.4x4. shorty w/ a oil leak on a high
> pressure hose i lost about a qt at 20K miles.
>
> anyone know where i can check the part no. to see exactly what they R&R'd?
>
> RS
>
> I have a new SD that developed a serious oil leak at the rear main. The
> truck only had 1500 miles on it. The dealer had to remove the transmission
> and replace the rear crankshaft seal. I hope this in not a "Omen" of things
> to come. Anyone else had a simular oil leak?? Dave from Colorado...
>
> David J. Burry
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:06:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Hunter yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 30,000 service

Hi ya all,

I just did the 30,000 services on my truck last week and this is what they told me they
did to the truck:

Change engine oil and filter
Lube caliper guides
Rotate four tires
Automotive transmission service, flush converter
Replace air cleaner element
Replace spark plugs
Clean battery terminals
17-point vehicle inspection

I also had them change the fuel filter and they charged me $49.95

The total is $395.69 for the 8 Cyl. Platinum and $363.69 for the Resistor + the $49.95
for the fuel filter.

They also asked me to change the breaks (which I declined), I took the truck and it was
fine for 2 days, now I have a noise coming from the front tire (jumping wheel). When I
drive down the road 35-40 Mph going up hill, I will have it. It sounds like you drive
over 20 speed bump all at once. So I'm taken it back.
Any one had this problem before?

Hunter

P.s. I asked them about the 60,000 maintenance and they told me it's the same except
they will change the PVC valve.


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:19:10 PST
From: "Scott Matus" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com

Has anyone visited the Ford Owner's Site?

www.ownerconnection.com

Scott.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:24:36 -0500
From: "Suarez, William" netsilicon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com

It contains some good information Scott. You can register your vehicle,
using VIN, and they will flag you about TSB's, recalls, etc.

When I had to have to work performed on my SD disc brakes (warped rotors), I
used the Owner's Connection to get help from Ford and it made a BIG
difference.

Regards,

Bill Suarez

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Has anyone visited the Ford Owner's Site?

www.ownerconnection.com

Scott.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:25:27 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: FTE 97up - Questions for Bob

As a lot of people use F-150s as cars it is
understandable that they are outfitted as cars. Would it be
possible for Ford to indulge what seems to be the minority
who still use these trucks as trucks with lower gear ratios
i.e. 4.10 or 4.30:1 in the F-150s? A manual transmission
with with the 5.4L would be nice too.

Kindest regards

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:48:43 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 30,000 service

Hunter wrote:
>
> Hi ya all,
>
> I just did the 30,000 services on my truck last week and this is what they told me they
> did to the truck:
>
> Change engine oil and filter
> Lube caliper guides
> Rotate four tires
> Automotive transmission service, flush converter
> Replace air cleaner element
> Replace spark plugs
> Clean battery terminals
> 17-point vehicle inspection
>
> I also had them change the fuel filter and they charged me $49.95
>
> The total is $395.69 for the 8 Cyl. Platinum and $363.69 for the Resistor + the $49.95
> for the fuel filter.
>
> They also asked me to change the breaks (which I declined), I took the truck and it was
> fine for 2 days, now I have a noise coming from the front tire (jumping wheel). When I
> drive down the road 35-40 Mph going up hill, I will have it. It sounds like you drive
> over 20 speed bump all at once. So I'm taken it back.
> Any one had this problem before?
>
> Hunter
>
> P.s. I asked them about the 60,000 maintenance and they told me it's the same except
> they will change the PVC valve.
>
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Hunter,

Check your warranty manual and I believe you will find that
the plugs are covered up to 36,000 miles. Suggest to the
Dealer that if they changed them it was necessary. If they
say yes then mention the warranty and ask for your money
back on the plugs and install charges.

Regards

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:49:35 EST
From: "Christian Bagley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ownerconnection.com

I have, it's ok. I think you can get on a few mailing lists and browse some
topics applicable to your vehicle but IMHO it's not all that great.

Chris


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>Has anyone visited the Ford Owner's Site?
>
>www.ownerconnection.com
>
>Scott.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:06:49 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post PSD Fuel Filter Change Report

> On the inside of the sump walls I found long, aluminum thread shavings.
> That was certainly a surprise to me, so I carefully removed them. Anyone
> encounter such artifacts?

Mine was clean.
Possible artifacts from the machining of the water/fuel separator?

At most I've had some pin head sized particles from the the first filter
change. Looked like some particles from the first filter install (factory
install).
I've got about 4K before I do the second filter change so I'll look again
at that time.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:01:11 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own

Don't compare 1 year deprciation on F-150 vs F-250. Due to the fact that the
Super Duty is so new, their bringing a premium used (so did the F150 when it
came out), but once the newness wears off it will be comparable. If you go
back to 1996 to compare, or compare Dodge's thats how to find out how much a
3/4ton will be worth compared to a 1/2.

Nathan

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Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 vs F-250 Cost to Buy & Own


> I was looking into buying an F-150HD SC Lariat with the 5.4 and automatic.
> At $150 over invoice it would have run a bit under $26K optioned out the
way
> I want. So, just for fun I checked out the cost for an F-250SD SC Lariat
> with the V-10 and automatic with similar equipment. At the same $150 over
> invoice it also would have run a bit under $26K.
>
> Wow, I thought the F-250 would have been a lot more money compared to the
> F-150. But, there are some features included in the F-250 that are extra
> cost on the F-150. Clearly, for towing work, the F-250 looked like the
> better buy. For a nice looking truck that rides like a car, the F-150
seems
> to take it.
>
> Then, just for fun, I decided to compare depreciation. The F-250 holds a
> much higher percentage of its invoice price than does the F-150 at the one
> year point.
>
> Consequently, guys, I've decided I can't afford the higher cost of
ownership
> of the F-150. Frankly, I was VERY surprised by the outcome of my little
desk
> top analysis.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Butch
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:53:19 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham" agcs.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - Need Help on Turbo Bolt Part Number

Anyone know the correct part number for the turbo bolt?

Ford's Parts department faxed me an exploded view drawing
of the "Turbocharger, Pedestal & Exhaust Back Pressure
Device" (dated 7/19/99), and it shows part# 1822779-C91.

However, Ford's SSM#13127, shows #1831344-C91, for 7.3L
built prior to 4/1/99. My truck as I recall was built the middle/end
of March '99. So I'm right on the fence.

If I were to guess it's the #1822779-C91, but would sure like to be
certain.

Thanks,

Charles.



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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:07:45 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: replacement

Yes we've had to do a couple of them (both STX 4x2's with the 17" wheels)
they were overtightend at the factory and ruined (cosmetically, would still
function as a spare)

Nathan

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: replacement


> I didn't, but I had problem replacing my spare tire. I had 8 cuts on it
and they look
> really bad, scary bad. The dealer won't even think about it, he start
laughing and
> said all trucks spare tire look like that. Has anyone replaced the spare
tire?
>
> Hunter.
>
>
> > Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and
they
> > will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with
a
> > door replacement..?
> >
> > thanks Boomer
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:10:18 -0600
From: "Union Auto" adiis.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Need Help on Turbo Bolt Part Number

Have the dealer run a OASIS report, it will give you the exaxt build date of
your truck.

Nathan

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Subject: FTE 97up - Need Help on Turbo Bolt Part Number


> Anyone know the correct part number for the turbo bolt?
>
> Ford's Parts department faxed me an exploded view drawing
> of the "Turbocharger, Pedestal & Exhaust Back Pressure
> Device" (dated 7/19/99), and it shows part# 1822779-C91.
>
> However, Ford's SSM#13127, shows #1831344-C91, for 7.3L
> built prior to 4/1/99. My truck as I recall was built the middle/end
> of March '99. So I'm right on the fence.
>
> If I were to guess it's the #1822779-C91, but would sure like to be
> certain.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:35:41 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

What level kit are you going with??

Vaughn



well after sticking my F250SD PSD in the mud last night , it
pretty much convinced me the i need that extra 2in clearance in
the front with the front leveling, i will be ordering something
this week. Will let you guys know what i think about it when i
get the kit and install.

BTW : 5hrs of digging and braking jerk strap 3 times is not my
ideal weekend. Wish i had pics of it, but it was dark. all i
can say is if you put a F250SD on the axles, its not going to
move.

In the future i can see a wench on the front or one that goes
in revicever.

going to bed
RS
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:47 -0600
From: jmannliving.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150HD???

Yes, I'll second that. I went through the option book at the dealer very
thoroughly when I ordered my 2000 150. The 2000 150HD is the replacement
for the 1999 250LD. Keep in mind that the new four door F150 SuperCrew will
be coming out soon and you might be able to get the 7700 GVWR option on it
as well.



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Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 11:12 AM
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150HD???

You have it right. For 2000, the 250LD was changed to a 150 option. Of
course, few dealers will stock them. I'll be willing to bet this was a
special order where the financing didn't go through. Here in VA that's
usually the case for non standard stuff in the dealers inventory.

John G
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:09:41 -0600
From: jmannliving.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - door replacement

Does anyone know if this is a problem in the 2000 F150s??


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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:53 AM
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - door replacement



I have the door issue also. I had just went out of the 3 year warranty when
I
brought it in. They are being pretty cool. There is a factory fix coming
out.
They are waiting for that. It is something so that they don't have to
replace
the whole door.

Doug

***************************************************************************

Bill,
I have installed a Gibson cat-back, KN filter, tornado air intake
modification sleeve and a hyper tech chip. All of these items were
installed for performance modification and to aid in towing a fifth wheel.
I did notice a substantial increase in torque, however, my mileage only
increased about 2 mpg. I now get 12-14 towing and about 18 hwy. One
drawback is with a computer modification of my type, I have to use premium
fuel. Since gas prices in my area are high (1.50 gallon for premium) the
price offsets the mods. Performance wise, I feel a substantial increase.
Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and they
will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with a
door replacement..?

thanks Boomer


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:32:27 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.

Does anyone have a phone number or link to where I can get hard (verbal or
paperwork) information on the top speed governor for my 97 F350??

I've called a Ford hotline number, checked various web sites and actually
had a phone conversation with 2 local dealers. Some of them don't even know
there is a governor. I even had one service guy ask me what the top speed
on the speedo was. I told him 90. Then he tried to tell me that was when
the PCM (computer) doesn't know what to do, and that is when it starts
shutting down. RIGHT! What is he thinking! So if the speedo said 180 I
could do that speed or not have the motor shut down?! Give me a break...
how did this guy get hired? Hehehehehe....

And the only info I have found is from Superchips in Florida. They claim
Ford has a governor at 98mph which shuts down the injectors. What do you
all think?

Anyway, I hope somebody can help.

John
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:29:50 EST
From: RSnoviaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.

In a message dated 1/10/00 5:33:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
j.jensenericsson.com writes:


mine cut out at 92 mph on 99 F250 PSD 4x4 SC shorty

RS
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Does anyone have a phone number or link to where I can get hard (verbal or
paperwork) information on the top speed governor for my 97 F350??

I've called a Ford hotline number, checked various web sites and actually
had a phone conversation with 2 local dealers. Some of them don't even know
there is a governor. I even had one service guy ask me what the top speed
on the speedo was. I told him 90. Then he tried to tell me that was when
the PCM (computer) doesn't know what to do, and that is when it starts
shutting down. RIGHT! What is he thinking! So if the speedo said 180 I
could do that speed or not have the motor shut down?! Give me a break...
how did this guy get hired? Hehehehehe....

And the only info I have found is from Superchips in Florida. They claim
Ford has a governor at 98mph which shuts down the injectors. What do you
all think?

Anyway, I hope somebody can help.

John
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:50:20 -0600
From: tvsjrsprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 97 F350, Top speed governor documentation needed.

Car & Driver (I think) claimed 95 indicated, 92 actual on the '99-'00. Mine
shuts down at 95 (soon, I'll have a computer and it'll shut down when the
motor dies). It's a 250SD 5.4/4.10 4x2 SC short-bed.
At 06:29 PM 01/10/2000 -0500, you wrote:
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>mine cut out at 92 mph on 99 F250 PSD 4x4 SC shorty
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>RS
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> paperwork) information on the top speed governor for my 97 F350??
>
> I've called a Ford hotline number, checked various web sites and actually
> had a phone conversation with 2 local dealers. Some of them don't even know
> there is a governor. I even had one service guy ask me what the top speed
> on the speedo was. I told him 90. Then he tried to tell me that was when
> the PCM (computer) doesn't know what to do, and that is when it starts
> shutting down. RIGHT! What is he thinking! So if the speedo said 180 I
> could do that speed or not have the motor shut down?! Give me a break...
> how did this guy get hired? Hehehehehe....
>
> And the only info I have found is from Superchips in Florida. They claim
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