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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
FTE 97up - RE: Flowmaster & KNst V3 #7
FTE 97up - F-150HD???
Re: FTE 97up - F-150HD???
FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
FTE 97up - superduty probs
FTE 97up - (no subject)
Re: FTE 97up - (no subject)
FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.
Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:51:11 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

Hi Alan,

I think we are talking different U bolts.
The U bolts I was talking about hold the
front axle to the leaf springs. There are
4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should
have been more exact.
I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high.
But those are what I need the specs for.

Thanks for the response
Vaughn





The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front
U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be
torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange
bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft.

It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite
242 or equivalent on each bolt.

Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front
and rear mounting flanges.

Alan




"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody happen to know the torque
> specs for the front axle U bolts
> on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?
>
> Thank you
> Vaughn
>
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 07:49:18 -0600
From: "Allemand, Andre'" KMG.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Flowmaster & KNst V3 #7

Bill,
I have installed a Gibson cat-back, KN filter, tornado air intake
modification sleeve and a hyper tech chip. All of these items were
installed for performance modification and to aid in towing a fifth wheel.
I did notice a substantial increase in torque, however, my mileage only
increased about 2 mpg. I now get 12-14 towing and about 18 hwy. One
drawback is with a computer modification of my type, I have to use premium
fuel. Since gas prices in my area are high (1.50 gallon for premium) the
price offsets the mods. Performance wise, I feel a substantial increase.
Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and they
will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with a
door replacement..?

thanks Boomer


Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:12:50 -0600
From: Bill Sample shermanisd.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson, Flowmaster & KN

I just purchased a 99 Expedition with the 5.4 (w/tow package) and filled
the tank up for the first time. Mixed city and highway mileage was
about 14. I guess that is about the range I was expecting, but hoped
that an easy foot would net a little better economy. Since I plan on
having this thing for awhile I figured I would investigate some mods
that might show long term gains. I have been in an 86 F250 w/6.9 for
awhile and consistently got better mileage than with the Expe. - so here
are a few questions for those of you that might have some experience
with performance mods. BTW - I'll be using this for a tow vehicle on
occasion.

* Comments regarding the difference I might expect with using the K&N
Air Filter element vs. the entire kit that includes the air tube, etc.
Is this actually an improvement over the stock cone unit? Stock unit
has a noticeable drone already (looked like a new Ford filter.)

*Have read some of the posts on the Flowmaster and I'm curious if anyone
has experience with the Gibson unit. If I do the Flowmaster I would use
the 70 series- as this is a "family hauler" and I'm interested in
keeping the interior noise level down. How do the two units compare
and/or will their be a noticeable difference over the stock unit?

I drove a few 98's, some 99's and a 2000. I noticed a substantial
improvement in drivability with the two newer ones over the 98. I
understand torque and horsepower improved with the 99- but it also
seemed to have more intake drone- which makes me wonder if Ford has
already improved airflow design with the new engine.

Any comments would be appreciated....
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:30:58 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150HD???

In the local paper recently I saw a new 2000 F-150HD advertised by a dealer.
It said it is rated at #7700 GVW. This is the first time I've seen an
F-150HD listed anywhere.

Is this the replacement for the old F-250 in the new F-150 body style which
was commonly called the F-250LD?

I've been considering a new F-250 SD to tow my 30 foot Alumalite fiver, but
the cost is astronomical. I was going to check out the 250LD but was told it
was no longer available in 2000. If the 150HD is the replacement I may just
go for it.

Now, if only you could get it with the V-10 or the PSD and the telescoping
towing mirrors.......

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:11:54 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150HD???

You have it right. For 2000, the 250LD was changed to a 150 option. Of
course, few dealers will stock them. I'll be willing to bet this was a
special order where the financing didn't go through. Here in VA that's
usually the case for non standard stuff in the dealers inventory.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:19:06 EST
From: TRITON46L aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.

hey eveyone. i was watching car and driver tv this morning and they talked
about a mercury cyclone sports car from back in the 70s. it had the 351
windsor engine. it said it put out a factory 290 hp and 385lbft. torque.
i am wondering if these specs are the same for the engine put in the ford
trucks.
if so, this engine would have put chevy's 350 to shame, even with vortec
heads used since '94.

thanks for the info

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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:52:52 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

Hi Vaughn,

Sorry, but I had another conversation going about front-end issues, and I
may have extended the other conversation topic into yours. The following
information should be applicable to your question.

In terms of torquing the U-bolts that connect the front axle to the leaf
springs on a SD F250 4x4, the workshop manual says to torque them to 99
lb/ft, AND to install NEW U-bolts and NEW nuts. The new fasteners are
necessary because these U-bolts are a "torque-to-yield" design, and should
not be re-tightened. The manual makes this point quite clear in several
places, instructing you to discard the old U-bolts and nuts after removing
them, and replace them with new ones. There is a possibility that
re-tightening them could stretch them beyond their yield points, possibly
resulting in premature and catastrophic failure. Don't take any chances. The
new bolts and nuts are not that expensive.

Also, it says to tighten the new U-bolts in a "criss-cross sequence," which
should help avoid uneven tightening.

References are from the 1999 Super Duty F250-550 manual, 12/1997, pages
204-01B-23 and 204-01B-26. Again, I don't know if these specs have been
superceded with new ones or not, so you should probably double check.

Hope that helps you out.

Alan





"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I think we are talking different U bolts.
> The U bolts I was talking about hold the
> front axle to the leaf springs. There are
> 4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should
> have been more exact.
> I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high.
> But those are what I need the specs for.
>
> Thanks for the response
> Vaughn
>
> The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front
> U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be
> torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange
> bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft.
>
> It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite
> 242 or equivalent on each bolt.
>
> Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front
> and rear mounting flanges.
>
> Alan
>
> "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anybody happen to know the torque
> > specs for the front axle U bolts
> > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Vaughn
> >
> > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> >
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:00:01 -0500
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler ici.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question.

At 01:19 PM 1/9/00 EST, you wrote:
>hey eveyone. i was watching car and driver tv this morning and they talked
>about a mercury cyclone sports car from back in the 70s. it had the 351
>windsor engine. it said it put out a factory 290 hp and 385lbft. torque.
>i am wondering if these specs are the same for the engine put in the ford
>trucks.
>if so, this engine would have put chevy's 350 to shame, even with vortec
>heads used since '94.
>
>thanks for the info
>
>bill
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Bill:

Nope. The 351 in my '97 F250HD is a 351M. "M" for modified. Seems this
engine traces its lineage to a 400, destroked to 351 for fuel economy and
emissions reasons. Not the same engine as the 351W (Windsor) or 351C
(Cleveland). Quoting output from memory, my engine makes 200 HP at 3800rpm
and 330 ft-lb at 1900 rpm. It is definitely a puller. And it runs out of
steam, making mostly noise during passing maneuvers.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:54:32 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

Hi Alan,

Great! Thats the info I needed.
I ordered the new U bolts last week.
Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

Vaughn




Hi Vaughn,

Sorry, but I had another conversation going about front-end
issues, and I may have extended the other conversation topic
into yours. The following information should be applicable to
your question.

In terms of torquing the U-bolts that connect the front axle to
the leaf springs on a SD F250 4x4, the workshop manual says to
torque them to 99 lb/ft, AND to install NEW U-bolts and NEW
nuts. The new fasteners are necessary because these U-bolts are
a "torque-to-yield" design, and should not be re-tightened. The
manual makes this point quite clear in several places,
instructing you to discard the old U-bolts and nuts after
removing them, and replace them with new ones. There is a
possibility that re-tightening them could stretch them beyond
their yield points, possibly resulting in premature and
catastrophic failure. Don't take any chances. The new bolts and
nuts are not that expensive.

Also, it says to tighten the new U-bolts in a "criss-cross
sequence," which should help avoid uneven tightening.

References are from the 1999 Super Duty F250-550 manual,
12/1997, pages 204-01B-23 and 204-01B-26. Again, I don't know if
these specs have been superceded with new ones or not, so you
should probably double check.

Hope that helps you out.

Alan





"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I think we are talking different U bolts.
> The U bolts I was talking about hold the
> front axle to the leaf springs. There are
> 4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should
> have been more exact.
> I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high.
> But those are what I need the specs for.
>
> Thanks for the response
> Vaughn
>
> The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front
> U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be
> torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case
> flange bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft.
>
> It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of
> Loctite 242 or equivalent on each bolt.
>
> Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front
> and rear mounting flanges.
>
> Alan
>
> "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anybody happen to know the torque
> > specs for the front axle U bolts
> > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Vaughn
> >
> > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> >
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:55:25 PST
From: "Aaron Martin" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - superduty probs

Recently while driving at 65 with the cruise on my speedo suddenly dropped
to zero, the ABS light came on, and the tach climbed about 200 rpms. After a
few moments everything returned to normal. Later it happened again, and the
service engine soon light came on. The engine service warning stayed on for
the remaining 2 hours of my trip, but the other symptoms did not repeat. Any
ideas out there?

I'm planning to bring my truck in to a dealer but am new to the Minneapolis,
Mn area and do not yet have a dealer I feel comfortable with. Any
suggestions?

My truck is a 99 superduty, v-10, auto, 3.73, about 29,000 miles. I have a
k&n filter and dynomax muffler (these mods along with a light foot on the
throttle have helped me reach a high of 15.8 mpg) Under a load (bobcat,
trailer, tools, materials, about 11,000lbs) she has slightly better throttle
response than our 97 powerstroke and then they are dead even.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:56:19 EST
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - (no subject)

Hi everyone,
My 97 f-150 XL with 47,000 miles is starting to give me problems. First
of all, Im having trouble starting it in the morning. It'll crank just fine,
but sometimes sputters out when I let go of the key. This, and the fact that
it shakes at idle has led me to think that maybe I am in need of a tune up.
What do you all think??
Problem number 2: I'm starting to get a coolant smell outside of the
truck. I've looked all around and I cant seem to find anything leaking,
except for a small drop on the driveway when I leave it paked overnight. The
drop on the ground appears to be coming from somewhere between the engine and
transmission. It doesn't look like a major leak because the coolant level has
only dropped a little bit. Any input you guys can offer me would be very
helpful.

Thanks
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:52:51 -0600
From: Kevin Jerome arc.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - (no subject)

The engine prob sounds like tune up to me, or possibly spark wires.
Does the problem occur when you start the engine when it's already hot?
The coolant leak sounds like a heater core leak to me. The drips on the
driveway may be coming throught the AC evaporator drain hose. Do you
smell coolant when the heater is on or do the windows fog up?

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:08:26 EST
From: DJBurry aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.

I have a new SD that developed a serious oil leak at the rear main. The
truck only had 1500 miles on it. The dealer had to remove the transmission
and replace the rear crankshaft seal. I hope this in not a "Omen" of things
to come. Anyone else had a simular oil leak?? Dave from Colorado...

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:08:28 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.

- -i had a probelm on my 99 F250SD PSD.sc.4x4. shorty w/ a oil leak on a high
pressure hose i lost about a qt at 20K miles.

anyone know where i can check the part no. to see exactly what they R&R'd?

RS

I have a new SD that developed a serious oil leak at the rear main. The
truck only had 1500 miles on it. The dealer had to remove the transmission
and replace the rear crankshaft seal. I hope this in not a "Omen" of things
to come. Anyone else had a simular oil leak?? Dave from Colorado...

David J. Burry
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:14:20 EST
From: RSnoviaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

well after sticking my F250SD PSD in the mud last night , it pretty much
convinced me the i need that extra 2in clearance in the front with the front
leveling, i will be ordering something this week. Will let you guys know
what i think about it when i get the kit and install.

BTW : 5hrs of digging and braking jerk strap 3 times is not my ideal
weekend. Wish i had pics of it, but it was dark. all i can say is if you
put a F250SD on the axles, its not going to move.

In the future i can see a wench on the front or one that goes in revicever.

going to bed
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:56:05 -0600
From: tvsjrsprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak.

At 02:08 AM 01/10/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>-i had a probelm on my 99 F250SD PSD.sc.4x4. shorty w/ a oil leak on a high
>pressure hose i lost about a qt at 20K miles.
>
>anyone know where i can check the part no. to see exactly what they R&R'd?
>
>RS

You might try giving your dealership a call and getting a service person to
ID the part numbers for you. It should just be a matter of typing it into
their computer.


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