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From: owner-97up-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (97up-list-digest) To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 97up-list-digest V3 #8 Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 97up-list-digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 008 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? FTE 97up - RE: Flowmaster & KNst V3 #7 FTE 97up - F-150HD??? Re: FTE 97up - F-150HD??? FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question. Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question. Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? FTE 97up - superduty probs FTE 97up - (no subject) Re: FTE 97up - (no subject) FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:51:11 4 From: "Vaughn (VDB)" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? Hi Alan, I think we are talking different U bolts. The U bolts I was talking about hold the front axle to the leaf springs. There are 4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should have been more exact. I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high. But those are what I need the specs for. Thanks for the response Vaughn The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft. It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite 242 or equivalent on each bolt. Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front and rear mounting flanges. Alan "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody happen to know the torque > specs for the front axle U bolts > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4? > > Thank you > Vaughn > > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 07:49:18 -0600 From: "Allemand, Andre'" Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Flowmaster & KNst V3 #7 Bill, I have installed a Gibson cat-back, KN filter, tornado air intake modification sleeve and a hyper tech chip. All of these items were installed for performance modification and to aid in towing a fifth wheel. I did notice a substantial increase in torque, however, my mileage only increased about 2 mpg. I now get 12-14 towing and about 18 hwy. One drawback is with a computer modification of my type, I have to use premium fuel. Since gas prices in my area are high (1.50 gallon for premium) the price offsets the mods. Performance wise, I feel a substantial increase. Also, I have had the famous crack on my door. I went to the dealer and they will replace the door for free....!!! Has anyone had any problems with a door replacement..? thanks Boomer Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:12:50 -0600 From: Bill Sample Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson, Flowmaster & KN I just purchased a 99 Expedition with the 5.4 (w/tow package) and filled the tank up for the first time. Mixed city and highway mileage was about 14. I guess that is about the range I was expecting, but hoped that an easy foot would net a little better economy. Since I plan on having this thing for awhile I figured I would investigate some mods that might show long term gains. I have been in an 86 F250 w/6.9 for awhile and consistently got better mileage than with the Expe. - so here are a few questions for those of you that might have some experience with performance mods. BTW - I'll be using this for a tow vehicle on occasion. * Comments regarding the difference I might expect with using the K&N Air Filter element vs. the entire kit that includes the air tube, etc. Is this actually an improvement over the stock cone unit? Stock unit has a noticeable drone already (looked like a new Ford filter.) *Have read some of the posts on the Flowmaster and I'm curious if anyone has experience with the Gibson unit. If I do the Flowmaster I would use the 70 series- as this is a "family hauler" and I'm interested in keeping the interior noise level down. How do the two units compare and/or will their be a noticeable difference over the stock unit? I drove a few 98's, some 99's and a 2000. I noticed a substantial improvement in drivability with the two newer ones over the 98. I understand torque and horsepower improved with the 99- but it also seemed to have more intake drone- which makes me wonder if Ford has already improved airflow design with the new engine. Any comments would be appreciated.... Cheers- Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:30:58 EST From: JDavis1277 aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - F-150HD??? In the local paper recently I saw a new 2000 F-150HD advertised by a dealer. It said it is rated at #7700 GVW. This is the first time I've seen an F-150HD listed anywhere. Is this the replacement for the old F-250 in the new F-150 body style which was commonly called the F-250LD? I've been considering a new F-250 SD to tow my 30 foot Alumalite fiver, but the cost is astronomical. I was going to check out the 250LD but was told it was no longer available in 2000. If the 150HD is the replacement I may just go for it. Now, if only you could get it with the V-10 or the PSD and the telescoping towing mirrors....... Butch == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:11:54 EST From: CERESJohnG aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150HD??? You have it right. For 2000, the 250LD was changed to a 150 option. Of course, few dealers will stock them. I'll be willing to bet this was a special order where the financing didn't go through. Here in VA that's usually the case for non standard stuff in the dealers inventory. John G == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:19:06 EST From: TRITON46L aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question. hey eveyone. i was watching car and driver tv this morning and they talked about a mercury cyclone sports car from back in the 70s. it had the 351 windsor engine. it said it put out a factory 290 hp and 385lbft. torque. i am wondering if these specs are the same for the engine put in the ford trucks. if so, this engine would have put chevy's 350 to shame, even with vortec heads used since '94. thanks for the info bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:52:52 -0700 From: Alan Bowes Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? Hi Vaughn, Sorry, but I had another conversation going about front-end issues, and I may have extended the other conversation topic into yours. The following information should be applicable to your question. In terms of torquing the U-bolts that connect the front axle to the leaf springs on a SD F250 4x4, the workshop manual says to torque them to 99 lb/ft, AND to install NEW U-bolts and NEW nuts. The new fasteners are necessary because these U-bolts are a "torque-to-yield" design, and should not be re-tightened. The manual makes this point quite clear in several places, instructing you to discard the old U-bolts and nuts after removing them, and replace them with new ones. There is a possibility that re-tightening them could stretch them beyond their yield points, possibly resulting in premature and catastrophic failure. Don't take any chances. The new bolts and nuts are not that expensive. Also, it says to tighten the new U-bolts in a "criss-cross sequence," which should help avoid uneven tightening. References are from the 1999 Super Duty F250-550 manual, 12/1997, pages 204-01B-23 and 204-01B-26. Again, I don't know if these specs have been superceded with new ones or not, so you should probably double check. Hope that helps you out. Alan "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote: > Hi Alan, > > I think we are talking different U bolts. > The U bolts I was talking about hold the > front axle to the leaf springs. There are > 4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should > have been more exact. > I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high. > But those are what I need the specs for. > > Thanks for the response > Vaughn > > The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front > U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be > torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange > bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft. > > It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite > 242 or equivalent on each bolt. > > Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front > and rear mounting flanges. > > Alan > > "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody happen to know the torque > > specs for the front axle U bolts > > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4? > > > > Thank you > > Vaughn > > > > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:00:01 -0500 From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.8L engine question. At 01:19 PM 1/9/00 EST, you wrote: >hey eveyone. i was watching car and driver tv this morning and they talked >about a mercury cyclone sports car from back in the 70s. it had the 351 >windsor engine. it said it put out a factory 290 hp and 385lbft. torque. >i am wondering if these specs are the same for the engine put in the ford >trucks. >if so, this engine would have put chevy's 350 to shame, even with vortec >heads used since '94. > >thanks for the info > >bill >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Bill: Nope. The 351 in my '97 F250HD is a 351M. "M" for modified. Seems this engine traces its lineage to a 400, destroked to 351 for fuel economy and emissions reasons. Not the same engine as the 351W (Windsor) or 351C (Cleveland). Quoting output from memory, my engine makes 200 HP at 3800rpm and 330 ft-lb at 1900 rpm. It is definitely a puller. And it runs out of steam, making mostly noise during passing maneuvers. Steve O. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:54:32 4 From: "Vaughn (VDB)" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? Hi Alan, Great! Thats the info I needed. I ordered the new U bolts last week. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Vaughn Hi Vaughn, Sorry, but I had another conversation going about front-end issues, and I may have extended the other conversation topic into yours. The following information should be applicable to your question. In terms of torquing the U-bolts that connect the front axle to the leaf springs on a SD F250 4x4, the workshop manual says to torque them to 99 lb/ft, AND to install NEW U-bolts and NEW nuts. The new fasteners are necessary because these U-bolts are a "torque-to-yield" design, and should not be re-tightened. The manual makes this point quite clear in several places, instructing you to discard the old U-bolts and nuts after removing them, and replace them with new ones. There is a possibility that re-tightening them could stretch them beyond their yield points, possibly resulting in premature and catastrophic failure. Don't take any chances. The new bolts and nuts are not that expensive. Also, it says to tighten the new U-bolts in a "criss-cross sequence," which should help avoid uneven tightening. References are from the 1999 Super Duty F250-550 manual, 12/1997, pages 204-01B-23 and 204-01B-26. Again, I don't know if these specs have been superceded with new ones or not, so you should probably double check. Hope that helps you out. Alan "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote: > Hi Alan, > > I think we are talking different U bolts. > The U bolts I was talking about hold the > front axle to the leaf springs. There are > 4 of then, two each side. Sorry, I should > have been more exact. > I'm guessing the torque would be pretty high. > But those are what I need the specs for. > > Thanks for the response > Vaughn > > The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front > U-joint mounts on the front differential flange) should be > torqued to 26 lb/ft. The four driveshaft-to-transfer case > flange bolts should be torqued to 76 lb/ft. > > It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of > Loctite 242 or equivalent on each bolt. > > Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front > and rear mounting flanges. > > Alan > > "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody happen to know the torque > > specs for the front axle U bolts > > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4? > > > > Thank you > > Vaughn > > > > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:55:25 PST From: "Aaron Martin" Subject: FTE 97up - superduty probs Recently while driving at 65 with the cruise on my speedo suddenly dropped to zero, the ABS light came on, and the tach climbed about 200 rpms. After a few moments everything returned to normal. Later it happened again, and the service engine soon light came on. The engine service warning stayed on for the remaining 2 hours of my trip, but the other symptoms did not repeat. Any ideas out there? I'm planning to bring my truck in to a dealer but am new to the Minneapolis, Mn area and do not yet have a dealer I feel comfortable with. Any suggestions? My truck is a 99 superduty, v-10, auto, 3.73, about 29,000 miles. I have a k&n filter and dynomax muffler (these mods along with a light foot on the throttle have helped me reach a high of 15.8 mpg) Under a load (bobcat, trailer, tools, materials, about 11,000lbs) she has slightly better throttle response than our 97 powerstroke and then they are dead even. ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:56:19 EST From: TMac79 aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - (no subject) Hi everyone, My 97 f-150 XL with 47,000 miles is starting to give me problems. First of all, Im having trouble starting it in the morning. It'll crank just fine, but sometimes sputters out when I let go of the key. This, and the fact that it shakes at idle has led me to think that maybe I am in need of a tune up. What do you all think?? Problem number 2: I'm starting to get a coolant smell outside of the truck. I've looked all around and I cant seem to find anything leaking, except for a small drop on the driveway when I leave it paked overnight. The drop on the ground appears to be coming from somewhere between the engine and transmission. It doesn't look like a major leak because the coolant level has only dropped a little bit. Any input you guys can offer me would be very helpful. Thanks Tom == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:52:51 -0600 From: Kevin Jerome Subject: Re: FTE 97up - (no subject) The engine prob sounds like tune up to me, or possibly spark wires. Does the problem occur when you start the engine when it's already hot? The coolant leak sounds like a heater core leak to me. The drips on the driveway may be coming throught the AC evaporator drain hose. Do you smell coolant when the heater is on or do the windows fog up? //JQ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:08:26 EST From: DJBurry aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. I have a new SD that developed a serious oil leak at the rear main. The truck only had 1500 miles on it. The dealer had to remove the transmission and replace the rear crankshaft seal. I hope this in not a "Omen" of things to come. Anyone else had a simular oil leak?? Dave from Colorado... David J. Burry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:08:28 EST From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. - -i had a probelm on my 99 F250SD PSD.sc.4x4. shorty w/ a oil leak on a high pressure hose i lost about a qt at 20K miles. anyone know where i can check the part no. to see exactly what they R&R'd? RS I have a new SD that developed a serious oil leak at the rear main. The truck only had 1500 miles on it. The dealer had to remove the transmission and replace the rear crankshaft seal. I hope this in not a "Omen" of things to come. Anyone else had a simular oil leak?? Dave from Colorado... David J. Burry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:11:18 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:11:12 -0500 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id BAA14235; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id BAA14228; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: DJBurry aol.com X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42] claimed to be imo-d10.mx Received: from DJBurry aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id s.bc.bc0f3e93 (3849) for <97up-list ford-trucks.com>; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:08:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:08:26 EST Subject: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. To: 97up-list ford-trucks.comMIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.comPrecedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:14:20 EST From: RSnovi aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? well after sticking my F250SD PSD in the mud last night , it pretty much convinced me the i need that extra 2in clearance in the front with the front leveling, i will be ordering something this week. Will let you guys know what i think about it when i get the kit and install. BTW : 5hrs of digging and braking jerk strap 3 times is not my ideal weekend. Wish i had pics of it, but it was dark. all i can say is if you put a F250SD on the axles, its not going to move. In the future i can see a wench on the front or one that goes in revicever. going to bed RS == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:56:05 -0600 From: tvsjr sprynet.comSubject: Re: FTE 97up - 00 F-250 SD/PSD/CC/Shorty Serious oil leak. At 02:08 AM 01/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > >-i had a probelm on my 99 F250SD PSD.sc.4x4. shorty w/ a oil leak on a high >pressure hose i lost about a qt at 20K miles. > >anyone know where i can check the part no. to see exactly what they R&R'd? > >RS You might try giving your dealership a call and getting a service person to ID the part numbers for you. It should just be a matter of typing it into their computer. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 97up-list-digest V3 #8 ***************************** +------ Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans ------+ | Send posts to 97up-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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