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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors
FTE 97up - Re: Flowmaster Fuel Economy
FTE 97up - Gibson, Flowmaster & KN
FTE 97up - TT Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F250 SD
FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford!
Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? (PS)
RE: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors
RE: FTE 97up - TT Mirrors

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:49:02 EST
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors

RSnovi aol.com writes:
>why dont you just ask for 99 TT mirrors? they should work, i was thinking
>about switching too, so i dont keep pissing off everyone i cant see.


Actually, I have a new set of the 99 power mirrors in hand, but decided I
want the telescoping mirrors from the 00's. I know, picky picky, but when you
only get a new vehicle every 8 - 10 years, ya just want it "right"!
If the 00's fit, I'll be selling the 99's BTW if anyones interested,
otherwise they go back to dealer. I ordered the kit, cheaper than seperate
mirrors. That, and my running boards are gonna go!

Next step, more power!

Scott

99 F250SC SC PSD 6 Spd
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:53:47 -0500
From: "Tommy Eppler" dcr.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors

I may be interested in your running boards. Are they factory and are they
painted?

Tommy Eppler
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From: MadPoodle aol.com aol.com>
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Date: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:01 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors


> RSnovi aol.com writes:
>>why dont you just ask for 99 TT mirrors? they should work, i was thinking
>>about switching too, so i dont keep pissing off everyone i cant see.
>
>
> Actually, I have a new set of the 99 power mirrors in hand, but decided
I
>want the telescoping mirrors from the 00's. I know, picky picky, but when
you
>only get a new vehicle every 8 - 10 years, ya just want it "right"!
> If the 00's fit, I'll be selling the 99's BTW if anyones interested,
>otherwise they go back to dealer. I ordered the kit, cheaper than seperate
>mirrors. That, and my running boards are gonna go!
>
>Next step, more power!
>
>Scott
>
>99 F250SC SC PSD 6 Spd
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:45:08 EST
From: MFAPHOTO aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Flowmaster Fuel Economy

In a message dated 1/8/00 6:41:48 AM, owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
writes:

<< Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:23:15 -0600
From: jmannliving.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Flowmaster 50 Series Muffler

Unfortunately I may never know. The mod was made with 30 mile on the truck.
I never had an opportunity to get a base line. The truck is rated at 17 MPG
highway and I pulled 19+ out of it on a trip from Dallas to Austin which was
about 170 miles, and that was cruising at 75 MPH without my ARE tonue(spl)
cover.
>>

That's one heck of an increase if you ask me. First, because those mileage
claims have never seemed accurate to me and second because I live in the
country and I'm getting a little better than 13 in a mix of driving. Even if
I could get it up to 15, it would be great.
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:12:50 -0600
From: Bill Sample shermanisd.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson, Flowmaster & KN

I just purchased a 99 Expedition with the 5.4 (w/tow package) and filled
the tank up for the first time. Mixed city and highway mileage was
about 14. I guess that is about the range I was expecting, but hoped
that an easy foot would net a little better economy. Since I plan on
having this thing for awhile I figured I would investigate some mods
that might show long term gains. I have been in an 86 F250 w/6.9 for
awhile and consistently got better mileage than with the Expe. - so here
are a few questions for those of you that might have some experience
with performance mods. BTW - I'll be using this for a tow vehicle on
occasion.

* Comments regarding the difference I might expect with using the K&N
Air Filter element vs. the entire kit that includes the air tube, etc.
Is this actually an improvement over the stock cone unit? Stock unit
has a noticeable drone already (looked like a new Ford filter.)

*Have read some of the posts on the Flowmaster and I'm curious if anyone
has experience with the Gibson unit. If I do the Flowmaster I would use
the 70 series- as this is a "family hauler" and I'm interested in
keeping the interior noise level down. How do the two units compare
and/or will their be a noticeable difference over the stock unit?

I drove a few 98's, some 99's and a 2000. I noticed a substantial
improvement in drivability with the two newer ones over the 98. I
understand torque and horsepower improved with the 99- but it also
seemed to have more intake drone- which makes me wonder if Ford has
already improved airflow design with the new engine.

Any comments would be appreciated....
Cheers- Bill

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:44:17 PST
From: "Max ." hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 97up - TT Mirrors

I have a 99 250 SD PSD CC Lariat. The truck was ordered with the TT mirrors.
However, some moron decided I only needed one mirror, and broke the right
one. Anyway, I ordered the Heated Telescoping TT off of the Excursion, and
they were a direct bolt on and plug in. The heated circuit I had to wire up
myself, with some help from the guys over at the ford-diesel.com site. (boy
do I love that site)

Local dealers wanted over $200 per mirror and 2 month wait. You didn't say
what they were charging you, but I got mine for $300 shipped from NY to LA
and he had them in stock. Also, the price difference locally between the
fixed length TT and Heated Telescoping TT was neglible. If you or anyone
else is interested, it Rochester Auto Collection in Rochester, NY and ask
for Mike, he's the parts manager. And yes the plug will fir NO PROBLEM.

Max

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:09:42 -0600
From: "Michael T. Greenlee" arlington.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F250 SD

Mine took 7 weeks. The dealer told me 6-8 weeks. It really depends on the
allotment your dealer has.

Michael Greenlee

Kurt wrote:

> Hi everyone! I'm new to the list,I just ordered a 2000 F250,and if anyone
> else did,how long was the wait?
>
> Thanks Kurt
>
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:44:18 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)" enter.net>
Subject: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

Hi all,

Does anybody happen to know the torque
specs for the front axle U bolts
on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?

Thank you
Vaughn

99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:18:22 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs?

The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front U-joint mounts
on the front differential flange) should be torqued to 26 lb/ft.
The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange bolts should be torqued to 76
lb/ft.

It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite 242 or
equivalent on each bolt.

Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front and rear
mounting flanges.

Alan




"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody happen to know the torque
> specs for the front axle U bolts
> on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?
>
> Thank you
> Vaughn
>
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
>
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:09:18 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford!

Here's a possible discussion topic. First, some background information, then
the question.

BACKGROUND: With the proliferation of Internet sites, forums, mailing lists,
etc. that deal with automotive subjects, there is now a LOT more
vehicle-related information available to the public than ever before. This
information comes from many different sources. Much of the data is
accurate...but unfortunately some of this information is inaccurate or
misleading. It seems that it would be in Ford's best interest to provide an
official source of as much accurate information as possible via the
Internet...partly to avoid misinformation and misinterpretation, partly to
serve the needs of owners and enthusiasts of all levels, and partly to
create an atmosphere of openness and cooperation, which would surely make a
positive impression on potential buyers.

In terms of providing and controlling the dissemination of information about
future developments, I can see where that would be a Marketing Department
decision. However, I wonder how much control the Engineering Department has
over the type of data and level of detail it can provide to the public
regarding technical information about past and present vehicles. I am not
necessarily advocating that the entire text of service manuals be provided
free to the public. I don't mind paying a reasonable fee for a set of
service manuals or CDs. However, there are some real gaps in information,
notably in the details about recalls, technical service bulletins, service
messages, etc.

I can understand a certain level of anxiety about releasing the details
about problems to the public, since it has the potential to generate a spate
of hypochondriacal demands to fix things that might not be broken, or
possibly create the impression that the company's vehicles are unreliable.
On the other hand, word about these issues ALREADY circulates quite freely
(whether accurate or NOT), and problems often get blown up way out of
proportion. By providing more of this information up front, with adequate
descriptions or instructions for recognizing any problems, it might actually
have a calming effect, reducing the number of false-alarm service calls, and
presenting Ford as a more protective, caring entity.

QUESTION: Does Ford Motor Company have any plans to make more
vehicle-related information available via the Internet or other media? If
so, what kinds of information and at what levels of detail?

Alan Bowes


Ken Payne wrote:

> We have several things planned for this. Among them is an
> opportunity for you, the FTE user, to have your questions
> answered by Bob Masone, F150 Product Manger for Ford Motor
> Company!
>
> Post the question(s) you would like to have asked, and we'll
> hash them out here. I'm going to present 5-10 questions to
> Bob in an interview and post the transcripts on the web site
> and to the mailing lists.

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:14:27 -0700
From: Alan Bowes todacosa.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - U Bolt torque specs? (PS)

I just wanted to add that the torque specs were from Volume I of the FCS 2000
Workshop Manual (1999 Super Duty F250-550, 12/1997, page 205-01-13). I suppose
it is possible that the specs may have changed since then, so my advice comes
with no guarantee of accuracy.

Alan

Alan Bowes wrote:

> The bolts holding the U-joint retainer clips (where the front U-joint mounts
> on the front differential flange) should be torqued to 26 lb/ft.
> The four driveshaft-to-transfer case flange bolts should be torqued to 76
> lb/ft.
>
> It is recommended to clean the threads and use a drop of Loctite 242 or
> equivalent on each bolt.
>
> Remember to keep the driveshaft properly indexed to the front and rear
> mounting flanges.
>
> Alan
>
> "Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anybody happen to know the torque
> > specs for the front axle U bolts
> > on a 99 F250 SD SC 4X4?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Vaughn
> >
> > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
> >
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:02:44 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors

Yes, please let us know, I have been wanting the telescopic mirrors too.
Also did ford get smart and provide defrosters in them for 2000?? I am
getting tired of not beable to see.
dc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tommy Eppler [mailto:tepplerdcr.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 4:54 AM
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors


I may be interested in your running boards. Are they factory and are they
painted?

Tommy Eppler
- -----Original Message-----
From: MadPoodleaol.com aol.com>
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com <97up-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:01 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: TT mirrors


> RSnoviaol.com writes:
>>why dont you just ask for 99 TT mirrors? they should work, i was thinking
>>about switching too, so i dont keep pissing off everyone i cant see.
>
>
> Actually, I have a new set of the 99 power mirrors in hand, but decided
I
>want the telescoping mirrors from the 00's. I know, picky picky, but when
you
>only get a new vehicle every 8 - 10 years, ya just want it "right"!
> If the 00's fit, I'll be selling the 99's BTW if anyones interested,
>otherwise they go back to dealer. I ordered the kit, cheaper than seperate
>mirrors. That, and my running boards are gonna go!
>
>Next step, more power!
>
>Scott
>
>99 F250SC SC PSD 6 Spd
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>

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:04:40 -0800
From: "Craig, Dennis" intel.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - TT Mirrors

THANKS! just what I wanted to hear. dc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Max . [mailto:airplane999hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 8:44 AM
To: 97up-listford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - TT Mirrors


I have a 99 250 SD PSD CC Lariat. The truck was ordered with the TT mirrors.

However, some moron decided I only needed one mirror, and broke the right
one. Anyway, I ordered the Heated Telescoping TT off of the Excursion, and
they were a direct bolt on and plug in. The heated circuit I had to wire up
myself, with some help from the guys over at the ford-diesel.com site. (boy
do I love that site)

Local dealers wanted over $200 per mirror and 2 month wait. You didn't say
what they were charging you, but I got mine for $300 shipped from NY to LA
and he had them in stock. Also, the price difference locally between the
fixed length TT and Heated Telescoping TT was neglible. If you or anyone
else is interested, it Rochester Auto Collection in Rochester, NY and ask
for Mike, he's the parts manager. And yes the plug will fir NO PROBLEM.

Max

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